test-drb February 2003

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by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Please excuse the brief test. I'm trying to troubleshoot a replacement mail server. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk)

21 years, 8 months

8" floppy drive available

by anheier＠owt.com

I have a Shurgart 8" floppy drive available. See at http://gallery.owt.com/users/a/anheier/61.jpg It needs to be thoroughly cleaned, but should be restorable. Best offer. Thanks Norm

21 years, 8 months

cctalk digest, Vol 1 #473 - 49 msgs

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> > > Based on the off-list exchanges we had, your "proof" > was most likely merely jingoistic non-sequiturs > that Sridhar would have probably found as stupid as > I did. Being that you haven't read said reply, you can't possibly make a comment on them. I notice, as usual you stoop to personal attacks rather than discuss the issue. > > But, how can you quibble with the concept that > it's wrong for a county > > to attack it's neighbors, or to build up offensive > weapons? > > Look, every time you open your mouth you contradict > yourself. When will you realize that everything > you ascribe as the reasons for which we want > to go to Iraq, the US has committed the same? Are > you seriously this dense? Personal attack. And what contradiction. When has the U.S. attacked it's neighbor? Last I heard Canada and Mexico are unmolested. And before you bring up stuff that's 100's of years old, you can't address stuff that old with todays mores. Iraq attacked it's neighbors in modern times, with modern weapons. > This is typical of the mindset of control freaks: > everyone else is a child and must be punished if > they don't do as we tell them. I consider this > deviant psychological behavior. Personal Attack yet again. Do you understand a basic concept? It's called "Being one's word". When Iraq AGREED to disarm, to not own or develop weapons of mass destruction, and then broke those agreements. That's where the problem lies. It's not about "control" or being a "control freak". Adults make agreements and keep them. That's the only way world affairs can work. Treaties and agreements have to be kept, and there must be trust that they will be. When they are broken, they must be enforced. Otherwise the entire house of cards based on agreements and "word" collapses. That leads to chaos. > > Nobody wants war, but in case such as this... This > > war will prevent the deaths of millions. Not only > > by Iraq and Hussein, but by others in the future > > who will take this example to embolden themselves > > to do evil without fear of retribution. > > Contradiction. None that I can see. You'd like there to be one, so that you can attack me personally. It's a common tactic of people who are unable to have intelligent discussions of issues. Instead of discussing the issue or facts, and keeping the discussion on that level. You attack the person directly. I could be the world's worst idiot. But, if I was speaking a truth... What difference does that make? I could be a drooling idiot and point up and burble "Sky.. Blue..." The fact that I could be an idiot, doesn't change the fact that sky is indeed blue. So keep the discussion on the facts, rather than making personal attacks. When you do this, you rob yourself of any power, and ability to have your opinions considered and respected, and convince people that they must be indeed, invalid since you needed to make a personal attack. > No it's not. It's in our power to change our > President's ill pursuits because we elected the > bastard and we can take him down. I got news for you. Our President is not doing ANY "ill pursuits". He has the highest sustained approval rating of ANY President in history. He is doing the right thing most of the time. I got that you don't like what he's doing, and don't agree with it. It doesn't make him wrong. > He's OUR servant, and our problem. Saddam Hussein > is someone else's tyrant, not outs. No. He surrendered to us in a war. He has made agreements with our Government AND the U.N. that he is not keeping. He attacked two of our allies, was defeated and he must disarm to keep the terms of the treaty. He is not doing that, and that makes it our business. Sticking our heads in the sand (or up a bodily orifice) as you would have us do, does not make the problem go away, and emboldens others to break agreements or to attack their neighbors without fear of reprisals. > Simple: we are not the police force of the world. People would like us not to be. I'm not sure where I stand on this. Generally, I'm happy when we take principled stands against terrorism, and agression against neighbors. > Of course, logic eludes you, Al. Not at all. I would recommend you go to college, take some World History and Civics courses. Also Ethics. You hold some naive opinions. That sound good on the face, but don't hold up under rigorous scruitiny. They only seem good on the face, but when you extend the consequences of what you would like to see happen out on a timeline, you see that they don't actually bring about the things you claim to stand for. "Peace at any cost" is a misused statement. Often, the price of peace IS war. Perhaps it wouldn't seem so contradictory if you consider that in this context... "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure..." If there were some science fictional way to look at alternate timelines where we could see the different outcomes for different decisions, perhaps there'd be some data for you that might convince you of this. Having this stand that I hold, takes some faith. It takes trust that there are things that never happened that we will never hear about, because they were deterred. If every country or terrorist made a press release saying... "I was going to do X, but didn't do it because I was afraid that the U.N., the U.S., the U.K., etc... Would punish me for doing it..." Then, you'd see how well deterrence works. There was an article in Time Magazine (or it may have been Newsweek) fairly recently that said, that when the U.S. pulled out of Vietnam, it emboldened all sorts of actions. Within three years of the pull-out, American Embassies were attacked, Cuba stepped up it's actions in South America, and more. Backing down has consequences. It's a tough row to hoe, and not as simplistic as you make it. Al

21 years, 8 months

Ersatz-11 gone?

by jrengdahl＠safeaccess.com

I can't reach www.dbit.com, home of the Ersatz-11 (E11) PDP-11 emulator by John Wilson. Has this gone away? -- Jonathan Engdahl

21 years, 8 months

Info wanted: IBM vacuum tube digital computer demonstrator

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Does anyone on here know anything about a digital computer demostrator unit made by IBM in the late '50s? It's housed in a nice wooden box about 2 feet wide x 15" deep x 12" tall. On the top of the box is a brass plaque that says "Presented by International Business Machine Corporation". Inside is a grey painted metal box with a row of ten 9-pin tube sockets along the back of top. In front of each socket is a single nean light. In front of that are blocks with small holes for jumper wires similar to those used in the Heathkit trainers. One end of the box has a male Jones plug connector and the other end has a female connector. It looks like the units were made so that additional units could be stacked together. On the front side of the grey box is a tag about 1 1/2" x 3" that says IBM in large letters. In a compartment on the right side of the wood case is a power cable that plugs into one of the Jones plug connectors. Under the grey metal chassis is a compartment with jumper wires, spare neon lamps and other small parts. Along the front edge of the box are two rows of holes that hold modules that plug into the sockets in the metal chassis. Each module is an open chassis about an inch square and 4 to 7 inches tall. Each chassis has at least one vacuum tube in it and some have two tubes, one above the other. Each chassis has a metal hoop or bail that goes up and over the top of the top most tube and back down the other side to form a handle for inserting and removing the chassis. On the top of the bail is a small tag with numbers like "TR-2", etc. Besides the tubes the chassis also have other small components such as resistors and capcitors. There are a total of twenty of the small chassis and each one can be plugged into any of the sockets in the main unit but you have to set a number of jumpers on each socket to a get the correct voltages for each of the tube elements. The tubes can be configured as logic elemements such buffers, invertors, various gates, etc and they jumpered together to form more complex d e such as flip flops. Evidently the nean lamps are used to indicate the state of each logic element. The guy that had it was quite specific and said that is is NOT an analog computer but a digital one. I went through it trying to find a model number or date but could only find the number 56 stamped on some of the tubes. I'm not sure if that's the manufacturering date or not but it's probably close. Can anyone tell me more about this thing or even (HOPEFULLY) have a manual for it? PS this came from the University of Florida. Joe

21 years, 8 months

Misterious DEC-Module M7071

by fm.arnold＠gmx.net

Hi, I got a strange board in recentley. Made by DEC, Quad-heigh, Dual-width, only one double sided 2x18 pin edge-connector that is snmaller as usual, aperantley carrying only power-supply connections. Has some 80 SSI/MSI TTL-chips, one prom 19-10818-02, and 10pcs 93l422 256kx4 ram's. Chips have 1979 date codes. The strange thing about this board is, that there is hardley any external connections, there is 1 (one) split-lug terminal, and one 16 pole IC-socket, as normalley used for automated testing signal connection. On the solderside there is the wording: "Waveform Generator" and 5012514F-P1 Who knows what this board is, and what it does? In what equipment was it used? How and for what purpose are the 10 Mbit of RAM filled with what kind of data? Fieldguide says: M7071 U Video Display Sys: image memory, RAMs & buffer logic. I don't understand this, because ther is no unibus-connection on this module at all. Is it a part of something bigger? Thanks, Frank

21 years, 8 months

OT - was Let the witch trials... now oil

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 2/21/03 8:26:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, fernande(a)internet1.net writes: > Oh, your one of those people, who thinks it'a about oil. > It isn't??? 60 percent of the setup costs from moving our Army/Navy over there are Fuel costs. All of Bush's decisions consider how it impacts the price of oil, and how much money his friends will make. I have heard Administration Spokespeople say that the Iraqi oil will reimburse the US for the cost of the war. How else does he expect to pay for the war when he is running deficits. It is all about Oil and how much money the oil industry can make before the resources run out. Bush's goal is to make as much money for his oil friends as possible. What do you think the current run up in prices is? This is also why he is gutting environmental protections and ignoring global warming. This is why you can buy vehicles with the worst MPG and get tax credits. It is all about OIL. If you view each of Bush's actions through an oil filter it make them quite understandable. Bush and his friends are Oilmen. Paxton Astoria, OR PS: Sorry for the off topic post, It finally just got to me.....

21 years, 8 months

TRS-80 Floppy Drive

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> > > On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Al Hartman wrote: > > > I am looking for a 5 1/4" floppy drive for a > > > TRS-80. > > > That's fine, but you still haven't provided the > > specific information about WHICH TRS-80 you needed > > a drive and cable for... > > He sent me a private post clarifying. > He has a TRS-80 Model 1, and is looking for an > ORIGINAL drive for it (external, with case, power > supply, and cable). > Preferably the original SA400 35 track. I always preferred Tandon TM-100 drives. They needed a lot less service and maintenance than the SA400's did. And I always liked having the extra 5 tracks. I've seen a few of these pop up on E-Bay. Unless you have one for him, or someone on the list... eBay may be his best bet. I have 4 40 Track DSDD 360k PC Drives mounted in an old PC Compatible case (XT style), that has a LONG cable coming out the back. I use this for both my Coco and my Model I (when it was working, my EI is shot and while I have an LNW EI, I want a new KB unit as well). The other thing about SA400 drives, is to make sure he isn't using a patched version of TRSDOS or NewDos/80 or whatever... If the stepping speed of the DOS is too fast, the older drive may not boot properly. I remember taking a copy of 80 Microcomputing and applying the patches from it (with SuperZAP) to a copy of TRS-DOS to make it 40 track, and to speed up the drive step. The system booted up MUCH faster. Boy, those were the days... Al

21 years, 8 months

Replying to Lawrence.

by alhartman＠yahoo.com

> I will say this about you Al, you do consistently > trumpet the bullies logic and the administrations > spin without embarassment. You would have fit in > very comfortably with the US supporters of Nazi > Germany. Thankfully your type is still a minority > at this time in the US. > > Lawrence I'm sorry but none of the above is true. Unlike the Clinton adminstration there is no spin here. It's all the truth, and policy based on hundreds of years of human history observed. You should be ashamed of resorting to trick of comparing me, Bush or ANYONE to Nazi Germany, or Germans (I am also of German descent, and proud of that. Though not proud of Germany in the beginning years of the 20th Century). It's just low. Luckly, I don't take it personally because it's on the same level (and as funny to me) as "Yo Momma!" And I'm NOT in the minority. Given the approval rating for the war, AND the President I'm in the majority. Though Liberals would like Conservatives to think they are kooks and marginalized in the population. The truth is, that we're not. Thanks anyway. Al

21 years, 8 months

Transfer of Files From RSX-11

by badoni_nk＠yahoo.com

Hello John How are you. Sorry for late writing. I was out of station for last couple of days only today I joined my work. John I am unlucky I do not have the Kermit S/W in my winchester disk. Is it necessary to load any communication S/W like Kermit in the winchester disk, because I also can not load any S/W in my winchester disk. Now I think I am in trouble. Fortunately I also have VanDyke's CRT404 with me & I can load this in my WINnt PC. ====================================================== > Then, find the > file(s) you want, and use the RSK 'type' command to > list them to the port > you are attached (logically and physically) to. Use > your terminal > program's "logging" or "screen capture" function, > and... there you are! ===================================================== Sorry please I could not understand your avobe sentence. What you mean by """"use the RSK 'type' command to list them to the port you are attached (logically and physically) to. Use your terminal program's "logging" or "screen capture" function,"""" Could you please tell me the process/commands in detail how to use this software & which is the sutiable cable (RS232) to link these two PC's. It would be great help from you side. Best regards Kishore --- John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, nk badoni wrote: > > > Hello John > > > > Thank you very much for your kind reply. > > > > Yes it is a complete system. > > Ah... this makes the process *much* easier! A > bit of info now would > be: what is the model of your DEC system? (ie PDP > 11/23, VAX 11/750, > PRO350... etc) > > > > > I have checked Kermit but I could not find this > S/W > > there. Might be my process was wrong. > > > Hmmm... a lot of RSX systems had Kermit as part > of the Distribution > Kit.. you can try: > > MCR> DIR kerm*.*,* > > but if your disk is big and you CPU slow, this can > take upto an hour to > complete. > > > OR, you can use a Terminal Emulating program on > your Wintel machine (I > use VanDyke's CRT on my IBM Thinkpad running Win2K). > Then, find the > file(s) you want, and use the RSK 'type' command to > list them to the port > you are attached (logically and physically) to. Use > your terminal > program's "logging" or "screen capture" function, > and... there you are! > The files are safe on your PC. (This assumes you > have a multi-port set of > serial terminal connectors attached to the computer. > This procedure can > also be done using the PC terminal emulator attached > to the DEC system > console port. The object is to list the files as an > ASCII stream and > capture that listing on the PC's HD. > > > This will work with any storage media on your DEC > computer, HDs or > Floppies, by the way. > > Please write to the classiccmp list during this > process, and we will all > try to help out as much as possible. > > I will also forward this correspondence to the > List. > > Cheers > > John

21 years, 8 months

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test-drb February 2003