test-drb November 2003

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by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hiyas, OK. Yes, it *is* there. And running. I managed to install a fairly weird tape kit containing V2.0 BL8 of DEC's OSF/1 UNIX offering for their MIPS-based "DECstation" line of systems. It actually runs pretty good. Even on a very small machine (the first test system was a DS2100 (12.5MHz R2000 with 24MB ;-) it works fine. Even LAT works like a charm :) I can see why they didnt release this one, though.. it is quite raw, unfinished in many areas (I had to really work and tweak stuff before I got a prompt..) and they obviously never intended this to work on serial-console systems :) But.. yay. It works, now. Just for the record: ----------------------------------------------------------------- (vaxlab)$ telnet mipsfair Trying 10.0.11.89... Connected to mipsfair. Escape character is '^]'. OSF/1 (mipsfair) (ttyp0) login: root Password: DEC OSF/1 X2.0-8 (Rev. 155); Sun Nov 14 21:45:24 MET 1999 DEC OSF/1 X2.0-8.1 Worksystem Software (Rev. 133) The installation software has successfully installed your system. There are logfiles which contain a record of your installation. These are: /var/adm/smlogs/install.log - general log file /var/adm/smlogs/it.log - log for it(8) utility /var/adm/smlogs/install.FS.log - file system creation logs /var/adm/smlogs/setld.log - log for the setld(8) utility /var/adm/smlogs/fverify.log - verification log file # uname -a OSF1 mipsfair 2.0 2.0 mips # ----------------------------------------------------------------- For those who would like to play with it, contact me off-list. If you happen to have OSF stuff lying around [*and* know where to find it *evil smile*..] drop me a line, please! Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

21 years, 1 month

more talking to the press

by stevew＠ka6s.com

I wrote: > I'm not aware of any other production systems with speculative > execution that are on-charter for this list (e.g., introduced before > 12-nov-1993). Well - how about the IBM 360/91 - and I imagine the Burroughs high-end stuff did as well. I'm pretty sure the B4900 did, which suggests the B6900 probably did the same. These are circa 1980. Steve Wilson (Burroughs Alum)

21 years, 1 month

8086 (was Re: more talking to the press.)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 17:28, Tom Jennings wrote: > All criticisms are correct, my only defense is that it was 'for > illustration purposes only' (sic). > > But it also proves a point, no code is 'temporary', kludges last forever > to embarrass their authors and all code needs documentation :-) I can only use one "word" to follow that up: IEFBR14 -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

21 years, 1 month

Compiler optimization (was: 8086 (was Re: more talking to the

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 20:23, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote: > Oh, I used the IRIX cc compiler. I found it to be a much nicer ANSI C > compiler than GCC, and with full warnings would tell you which section of > ANSI C (chapter and verse) which might cause a problem. If I'm using IRIX, > I would rather use the IRIX cc than gcc. Unfortunately, it now costs an arm > and a leg (then too!) Yes, more's the pity. Unless you're running a really old version of IRIX, like 5.3, in which case you can download the IDO for free, these days, so long as you don't mind it not having some of the libraries that we tend to take for granted these days. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

21 years, 1 month

Compiler optimization (was: 8086 (was Re: more talking to the

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 16:48, Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote: > I know the IRIX C compiler can do global optimizations but that takes > quite a bit of time and processing power; I never bothered with it when I > was programming under IRIX. And this was at least 10 years ago so it's > margially on topic here 8-P Maybe you should have. About 1996, I did a project during which (as a side-effect) I spent a while looking at compiler output, and comparing gcc to IRIX cc. In all the cases I tried, cc took about the same time to compile as gcc, but produced faster (and often smaller) code. That's not too surprising, really. For one thing, cc used a bigger optimisation window. For another, it's written by a bunch of people who are very close to the processor it's written for, and they didn't have to worry about whether anything would work with some other architecture; they could (and did) do extensive re-ordering of instructions. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

21 years, 1 month

DECconnect MMJ plugs

by waltje＠pdp11.nl

Hiyas, Now that I'm doing nothing anyway, might as well pester y'all with a question. Its offtopic, so there. I am blessed with many feet of DECconnect cable (ya know, the flat serial cables DEC used) and most of that cable is crimped with one MMJ, and one RJ45 - probably cables going to RJ45 wall sockets. Obviously, I want to get rid of the RJ45's, soo.. where does one order a bag (250-500) of these MMJs these days? I have the right tools for it, just not the MMJs - used to have them a long time ago, but that supply didnt last forever ... If anyone knows a source, preferrably in Europe, that would be great! Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

21 years, 1 month

What to do with a fully functional Apple IIGS besides play Oregon Trail

by brc138＠psu.edu

My family has a fully functional Apple IIGS computer purchased in 1984 or 1985 I believe. It has a 5.25" and two 3.5" daisy chained drives, printer, keyboard and mouse, joystick, and lots of software (old games) for it. Is it of any value or interest to anyone? Anybody know a way to electronically transfer old documents from the word processor programs of that day to modern Word format - or is my best option to print and scan anything of significance? Benjamin R. Campbell Assistant Research Engineer Electro-Optics Science and Technology Center 77 Glade Drive Kittanning, PA 16201 email: <mailto:brc138@psu.edu> brc138(a)psu.edu work: 724-543-0266 cel: 412-877-0072 fax: 724-545-9797 <file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/bcampbell/Application%20Data/Microsof t/Signatures/www.electro-optics.org> www.electro-optics.org

21 years, 1 month

Fairchild MB8116E == 4116 ?

by uban＠ubanproductions.com

Is a Fairchild MB8116E the same as a standard 16kx1 4116 dynamic RAM? Does anyone have a bunch (80 or more) that they would be willing to part with? I need to populate the 2nd half of a memory board. --tom

21 years, 1 month

TREK73 and Star Traders

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 12:58, Al Kossow wrote: > > both appear to be on > 2000dmp5-5-84iclContrib.tap [...] > 12% fgrep TREK73 * > Binary file 00316 matches [...] > 13% strings *316*|more > ------------------------------------ 00316 ------------------------------------- > TREK > $R *** CHAIN TO TREK1,TREK2,TREK3,TREK4,TREK0 2-DEC-78 A. DE MARTINO > R *** IN A100 *** > R TREK73: AN ADVANCED STAR TREK BATTLE SIMULATION > R PROGRAMMED BY WILLIAM K. CHAR AND ASSOCIATES, WILSON > R EDP, 400 MANSELL, SAN FRAN, CA 94134, (415) 239-6460 > R 26 NOVEMBER 1973 ***FOR AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY*** > )HAVE YOU SEEN BATTLE BEFORE [ YES OR NO ] This is a later version, not the original. I'm sort of glad about that, because I was halfway through retyping the last part (of about 50 pages) when my email client beeped and I read this ;-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

21 years, 1 month

BIGMES

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 14, 13:06, Al Kossow wrote: > > www.bitsavers.org/HP/paperTapes/BIGMES.PTP The URL is actually http://www.bitsavers.org/HP/paperTapes/bigmes.txt > from Doug Quebbeman, copied on the last cross country > road trip that I made. Doug gave me a copy a while ago, it's been at http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/startrek/ for a while. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

21 years, 1 month

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test-drb November 2003