test-drb October 2003

test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

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by PLancashire＠columbia.com

Last night got into a good old days conversion about printers. I'm trying to find out what was the fastest drum printer. My belief is it was a model made by Burroughs where in times long ago i had a great time, ah still can remember knowing the status of a job by the squeal of the 5500's power supplies, sorry i slipped into memory. If I remember there was a printer, that in 1975 was considered old, but it was either 1,100 or 1,400 LPM with at Uppercase drum. I also remember the printer controller being about the same size as the printer. Character registration sucked, but if all you wanted was a something that would get trashed, it sure was quick. If you wanted quality output there was a new chain/train printer that was as good if not better then the 1403. Anyone can help ? -pete

20 years, 9 months

How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use?

by PLancashire＠columbia.com

give piano movers a try. I had a Hammond (guts same as a B3), its weight 450# plus 100# for the amp/speakers all moved for moved for $250. Their fee was $200 for the move and $50 for each set of stairs. >From memory, the size of what I was moving did not make a difference as long as it fit in their truck. A fun note was the three guys that showed up where Somlians (sp?), originally >from Hawaii. They got out all their moving stuff, but then took a look at the organ, two of them just picked it up with out any stress and carried it into the truck .. scary :) -pete -----Original Message----- From: Fred N. van Kempen [mailto:waltje@pdp11.nl] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:39 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use? On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, JP Hindin wrote: > I am faced with picking up a sizeable IBM some hours from where I live > in the next few weeks. What I had originally planned to do has fallen > through, and now I am left trying to work out how best to lift what > has been estimated as 800+lbs of 1978 IBM. Heh. Heavy iron requires the use of heavy neighbors. Er. Did I just say that? Ahwell. Tis true. Although I can usually move the smaller stuff in either my own (sedan) car, or a small van, big stuff needs a truck with a not-too-high loading bay. I'd kill for a used U-Haul truck here, really... those, albeit ragged down, are perfect for loading up old iron... And, then, of course, the neighbors and friends come into the picture, 'cos at some point, the goods needs to be moved into a storage, garage, or, in my case, upstairs room :) (yes, that is always a neighborhood project here.. and they love it ;-) Cheers, Fred -- Fred N. van Kempen, DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation) Collector/Archivist Visit the VAXlab Project at http://www.pdp11.nl/VAXlab/ Visit the Archives at http://www.pdp11.nl/ Email: waltje(a)pdp11.nl BUSSUM, THE NETHERLANDS / Sunnyvale, CA, USA

20 years, 9 months

at&t 6310

by general＠emr.net

Hello, I've been trying for weeks to obtain some basic information about an AT&T 6310 personal computer I'm trying to restore. You seem to have one! All I need to know is what the following original parts were: hard drive drive controller card floppy drives (make, model, and face color) Any help you may be able to offer would be _greatly_ appreciated. It's amazing how little information or support there is for AT&T/Olivetti computers on the web or from AT&T, Olivetti, or NCR. Thanks much, Jim Carter

20 years, 9 months

eBay: SWTPC 6800 computer

by tothwolf＠concentric.net

For those of you who have spare cash this month (I just got stuck with a $150+ shipping bill that should have been ~$60.00), there is a SWTPC 6800 computer up on ebay at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2761984200 Starting bid is $300. Seems to have a fairly complete board set (though the system itself seems to have been modified somewhat). I'd guess that it had been used for some sort of data acquisition at some point. Not affiliated with seller, etc, etc. -Toth

20 years, 9 months

Testing undesired holds

by dave＠mitton.com

just a test... for Jay.

20 years, 9 months

How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use?

by n8uhn＠yahoo.com

Sounds like you are trying to move an sys/34? i tried a uhaul truck in the past, only to find that the metal ramp is just wide enough to allow the casters to lock on the the sides of the ramp. also ibm casters only move when they want and thier direction of travel is never the way you want them to go. what works for me? lumber in the form of 8 foot 4 by 6 cant's, a good chain fall and a trailer that has the wheels on eather side of it - not under it (keeps the weight of the load from allowing the trailer bottom deck to set down on top of the tires) the bridgeport page is the best example of this type of move. the chain falls? i use a second chain that is looped around two casters and 2x4's as levers if needed - my wooden trailer has a 3 inch hole in the back which allows a chain to pass through it on it's way to the tongue which is then wrapped around it - the chain falls go on the trailer side of the chain to pull the heavy metal on the ramps and into the trailer a forklift is the best way to load/unload heavy ibm metal from the trailer, if the forks are long enough or one picks up tje machine by the power supply end - ditto for all the sys3x series. Bill Message: 4 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:56:32 -0400 (EDT) From: vance(a)neurotica.com Subject: Re: How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use? To: JP Hindin <jplist(a)kiwigeek.com> Cc: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, JP Hindin wrote: > I am faced with picking up a sizeable IBM some hours >from where I live > in the next few weeks. What I had originally planned to do has fallen > through, and now I am left trying to work out how best to lift what has > been estimated as 800+lbs of 1978 IBM. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

20 years, 9 months

How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use?

by PLancashire＠columbia.com

oh and when doing jobs on the side, there company name is Big Al's .. and Al is big ! -----Original Message----- From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:14 AM To: General(a)internet1.net; On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: How do _you_ move equipment? What "tools" do you use? Do you mean they were Samoan, Samoa? Somalian are from Somalia, in Africa. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA Lancashire, Pete wrote: > A fun note was the three guys that showed up where Somlians (sp?), > originally

20 years, 9 months

Destinations in Charleston, SC

by pietstan＠rogers.com

Now that I've finally got a bit of a vacation coming up, are there any worthwhile classic (translation: DEC-collector) destinations or sources in Charleston or vicinity?

20 years, 9 months

GE 73 bulbs for RL02

by jontitus＠comcast.net

Try Bulb Direct at www.bulbdirect.com. I didn't see anything on the company's Web pages about a minimum order. Search for "73." You can view an outline of the bulb. I'm not sure the two "73" bulbs they offer fill the bill, but you can check it out. Jon Jon Titus 36 Sunset Drive Milford, MA 01757-1362 USA Phone: +1-508-478-8040 E-mail: jontitus(a)comcast.net Member, National Association of Science Writers -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 7:38 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: cctalk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 10 Send cctalk mailing list submissions to cctalk(a)classiccmp.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to cctalk-request(a)classiccmp.org You can reach the person managing the list at cctalk-owner(a)classiccmp.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cctalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Garage sale, DEC 3000/500 $50, HSZ40 $25, ... (Shannon Hoskins) 2. Re: Used Atari 2600 Game Cartridge goes for over $70 (David Holland) 3. Re: memory refresher on PUTR (W.B.(Wim) Hofman) 4. Re: black paper tape = mylar? (Eric Smith) 5. Re: memory refresher on PUTR (Eric Smith) 6. Re: memory refresher on PUTR (Fred N. van Kempen) 7. Re: 27SF512-70 (Joe) 8. Re: black paper tape = mylar? (Joe) 9. DEC cards available (John Rollins) 10. RE: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! (John Rollins) 11. Re: Am I seeing things? (Zane H. Healy) 12. Re: Am I seeing things? (Ed Sharpe) 13. Re: Am I seeing things? (Jay West) 14. Re: 27SF512-70 (John Lawson) 15. FA: HP 3000 cards and Omnibook Docking Station (Joe) 16. Re: Am I seeing things? (Vintage Computer Festival) 17. Re: Am I seeing things? (Fred N. van Kempen) 18. Re: Am I seeing things? (Joe) 19. Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! (TeoZ) 20. Re: Am I seeing things? (Joe) 21. RCS/RI Still In Existence? (O. Sharp) 22. VCF - Stuff for Sale (Marvin Johnston) 23. Re: Am I seeing things? (Ed Sharpe) 24. Re: Intel Programmer IPPS format (Robert Maxwell) 25. Re: Am I seeing things? (Fred N. van Kempen) 26. Re: DEC cards available Update (John Rollins Jr) 27. Re: Am I seeing things? (Chad Fernandez) 28. Re: Am I seeing things? (chris) 29. RE: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! (chris) 30. Re: Am I seeing things? (John Lawson) 31. Re: Need IIci cache cards (Geoff Reed) 32. Posting times (Marvin Johnston) 33. Re: Betr.: Acorn Econet (Tony Duell) 34. GE 73 bulbs for RL02 (John A. Dundas III) 35. VCF Want: Pertec formatters for Kennedy 9100 (John Lawson) 36. Re: VCF Want: Pertec formatters for Kennedy 9100 (Al Kossow) 37. SemiDisk Solid State Disk Emulator (Patrick Rigney) 38. Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! (Ian Primus) 39. Re: Posting times (Al Kossow) 40. Re: black paper tape = mylar? (Bob Shannon) 41. Re: Fat (512K) Mac Revival? (Andrew Strouse) 42. Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! (chris) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:39:13 -0700 From: "Shannon Hoskins" <pds3(a)ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Garage sale, DEC 3000/500 $50, HSZ40 $25, ... To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <000c01c38c1f$ff2b2bc0$7f3ba5d1@shannon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Zane, Where are you located? Sincerely, Shannon Hoskins ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Garage sale, DEC 3000/500 $50, HSZ40 $25, ... > > Am I crazy to sell a DEC 3000/500 server (desk side) for $50? I > > believe it's got all the RAM it can fit and disk in and lots SCSI > > plugs out. My HSZ40s go for $25 a piece. My HP9000K400 with 2xDDS2 > > drives and 30 GB (?) RAID array and HP Terminal all in one rack go > > for $100. > > > > Am I crazy or just fed up about stuff taking space in my garage? > > I can't really comment on the HP (though it might be a little low). The > DEC3000/500 sounds about right. The HSZ40's are old enough to probably be > reasonable. > > Zane ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: David Holland <dholland(a)woh.rr.com> Subject: Re: Used Atari 2600 Game Cartridge goes for over $70 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310061253220.21014-100000(a)crusader.localdomain.home> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, TeoZ wrote: > easily, just be carefull. Then again the stuff I look for isnt that > expensive, I dont think I spent more then $150 on any 1 item on ebay and > that was when I started 3 years ago. Eh, I have. SGI Octane, MXI graphics, 195Mhz R10K, 256Mb mem, No Disk 400$. A year later, I still consider 400$ a pretty reasonable deal. The only reason I considered it was the seller was local.... I picked it up in person. Obligatory ontopic piece: I've a SGI Crimson w VGXT too, Anyone got a sled or and/or skins they want to get rid of cheap.. :-) David ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:46:43 +0200 From: "W.B.(Wim) Hofman" <hofmanwb(a)worldonline.nl> Subject: Re: memory refresher on PUTR To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <001501c38c32$071e8540$8594f0c3@computer4> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 360 Wim ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay West <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: memory refresher on PUTR > I used to know this, but have forgotten, and now I'm getting ready to dig > the software back out... > > I believe it was a program called PUTR that I used on a PC to read/write > 5.25 floppy disks to exchange data with my PDP-11/23 that had an RX50 drive > in it. Should the PC drive be a 360k floppy or a 1.2m floppy? > > Wonder if there is some story as to the history of "disc" vs. "disk" :) HP > always used "disc". > > Jay West > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:00:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com> Subject: Re: black paper tape = mylar? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <39309.64.169.63.74.1065463241.squirrel(a)ruckus.brouhaha.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > I was wanting to get some mylar paper tape. There is an auction on Ebay > for > 6 rolls of "black paper tape"... can one generally assume that black paper > tape is mylar and not just paper? No. All the black "paper tape" I've ever used was in fact paper. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:02:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eric Smith" <eric(a)brouhaha.com> Subject: Re: memory refresher on PUTR To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <39321.64.169.63.74.1065463359.squirrel(a)ruckus.brouhaha.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > I believe it was a program called PUTR that I used on a PC to read/write > 5.25 floppy disks to exchange data with my PDP-11/23 that had an RX50 > drive > in it. Should the PC drive be a 360k floppy or a 1.2m floppy? 1.2M. The RX50 is an 80-track single sided drive, so their is no way to read or write the discs in a 40-track 360k drive. But a 1.2M drive will work fine. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:30:57 +0200 (CEST) From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl> Subject: Re: memory refresher on PUTR To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0310062030150.6561-100000(a)vaxlab.pdp11.nl> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Eric Smith wrote: > > I believe it was a program called PUTR that I used on a PC to read/write > > 5.25 floppy disks to exchange data with my PDP-11/23 that had an RX50 > > drive > > in it. Should the PC drive be a 360k floppy or a 1.2m floppy? > > 1.2M. The RX50 is an 80-track single sided drive, so their is no way > to read or write the discs in a 40-track 360k drive. But a 1.2M drive > will work fine. Hmm.. Jay: I stand corrected. Indeed, they're 80tr, not 40tr... --f ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:33:27 -0400 From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: 27SF512-70 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031006113327.007d6bb0(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Somebody needs to tell this clown that this isn't his private procurement list! Joe At 05:09 PM 10/3/03 -0500, you wrote: >I would like to know if you have any of these chips available. They are >the direct flash replacement for the 27C512 that I'm looking for. > >Thanks >Mehdi Mir > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:35:36 -0400 From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: black paper tape = mylar? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031006113536.007d76a0(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:48 AM 10/6/03 -0500, you wrote: >I was wanting to get some mylar paper tape. There is an auction on Ebay for >6 rolls of "black paper tape"... can one generally assume that black paper >tape is mylar and not just paper? NO! I have several boxs of black PAPER tape so they do (did!) make the stuff. Joe > >The URL is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2562042672 > >Can anyone advise if this is likely to be mylar or not? > >Regards, > >Jay West > >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:34:42 -0700 From: John Rollins <kd7bcy(a)teleport.com> Subject: DEC cards available To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <a05200f02bba760e54682(a)[63.191.200.163]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I got these cards a while back(I think I asked what they were here on the list back in 2001), mostly MicroVAX II cards I think, all Q-bus. I'm mostly interested in getting these out of the way... I have no plans for building or keeping spares for a MicroVAX or anything beside my 11/84. Not sure what they're worth, and keep in mind they are untested. Make an offer plus actual shipping - I'll also consider trades for Unibus cards for my 11/84. Whatever the list doesn't want I'll probably put on eBay(I'll give you guys a week or two for those that don't keep up with their email very well). National Semiconductor NS638 - memory card with a 50-pin connector on the front Sigma Information Systems DZV11 clone unknown Emulex - marked TU0210401 M7551-CA MSV11-QC Q 4-Mbyte 22-bit parity/CSR MOS RAM M7164 KDA50-Q Q-bus SDI adapter 1 of 2 M7606-AF MicroVAX II CPU M7608-BC not in guide? MicroVAX II RAM M7608-BF M7516-YM DELQA-M Q Qbus to Ethernet Turbo Module, Q22 M8053-MA DMV11 Microprogrammed controller (needs one of M5930-M5931) with DDCMP control ROM (point-to-point or multidrop) I have three of these: M3104 DHV11-A Q 8-line Asynchronous Multiplexor, with DMA -- /------------------------------------\ | http://jrollins.tripod.com/ | | KD7BCY kd7bcy(a)teleport.com | \------------------------------------/From cctalk-admin Mon Oct 6 13:43:26 2003 Received: from epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net (epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.181]) by huey.classiccmp.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h96IhQH3038860 for <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>; Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:43:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kd7bcy(a)teleport.com) Received: from sdn-ap-014watacop0163.dialsprint.net ([63.191.200.163]) by epic.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1A6aC4-0004hY-00 for cctalk(a)classiccmp.org; Mon, 06 Oct 2003 11:34:53 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: kd7bcy(a)mail.teleport.com Message-Id: <a05200f01bba75f5eea9c(a)[63.191.200.163]> Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:07:28 -0700 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org From: John Rollins <kd7bcy(a)teleport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Subject: Am I seeing things? X-BeenThere: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> List-Id: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk.classiccmp.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk>, <mailto:cctalk-request@classiccmp.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk> List-Post: <mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> List-Help: <mailto:cctalk-request@classiccmp.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctalk>, <mailto:cctalk-request@classiccmp.org?subject=subscribe> Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that lately. -- /------------------------------------\ | http://jrollins.tripod.com/ | | KD7BCY kd7bcy(a)teleport.com | \------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:10:09 -0700 From: John Rollins <kd7bcy(a)teleport.com> Subject: RE: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <a05200f06bba76d893cd9(a)[63.191.200.163]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Apple stopped having the drives read and write 400 and 800 k disks a >while ago. Actually the System does that... I don't remember when though. I think it might have been System 8 that stopped reading 400k, I remember because I was real mad about not being able to use my PM6500 to do disks for my 128k, and then I ended up with an iMac and the iDock doesn't work under X(until you pull the cable going to the ADB and serial that is) but the USB floppy only handles 1.4MB anyway! So now it's time to get the LC up and running again I guess. But if you have Mac with the SuperDrive(floppy, not DVD-R!) in it, and you have something prior to System 8/9, you can do 400k disks all day long. Just keep a System 7 boot disk around! That oughta work with anything prior to a G3. -- /------------------------------------\ | http://jrollins.tripod.com/ | | KD7BCY kd7bcy(a)teleport.com | \------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:12:48 -0700 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <a05210621bba76f0597b7(a)[192.168.1.5]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that lately. I must confess, I was wondering about the "Re: VAXen available" message... It made now sense to me. Zane -- -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:18:06 -0700 From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <000d01c38c46$f474cac0$262e98ac(a)aoldsl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" and I thought I was the one imagining it! ed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rollins" <kd7bcy(a)teleport.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: Am I seeing things? > Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list > responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive > or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and > asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that > lately. > > > -- > > /------------------------------------\ > | http://jrollins.tripod.com/ | > | KD7BCY kd7bcy(a)teleport.com | > \------------------------------------/ > > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:12:48 -0500 From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <00b001c38c3d$d4fdc380$033310ac(a)kwcorp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes, there is a public archive of the list postings. I kinda thought that's what the public archives were FOR? I especially like it when they talk about ancient things *S* I filter a lot of these so they never hit the list. But often I let them through because I feel that is what we are here for.. to be a resource. Maybe I'm being too lenient? J > Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list > responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive > or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and > asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that > lately. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:30:21 -0400 (EDT) From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> Subject: Re: 27SF512-70 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0310061523400.7182(a)panix1.panix.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Joe wrote: > Somebody needs to tell this clown that this isn't his private procurement > list! > > Joe Hey Joe... decaf, man - remember: Decaf!! ;} Anyway - do recall that whenever someone Googles for a specific part, it is possible that they get pointed to an old message from Classiccmp in an archive - and so they don't really have any way of knowing that they are adressing a list of amateur collectors - so ya cut 'em some slack a bit.. And just think - what if it was *you* that just happened to have a nice stash of them chips the poor guy is desperate for... woo hoo!! Cheers John ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:34:46 -0400 From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: FA: HP 3000 cards and Omnibook Docking Station To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031006153446.007f3d70(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" <http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=rigdonj> Joe ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:40:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf(a)siconic.com> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0310061240330.25704-100000(a)siconic.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, John Rollins wrote: > Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list > responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive > or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and > asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that > lately. It comes in spurts. I think Jay is still (hopefully) working on a solution ;) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage mputers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at ttp://marketplace.vintage.org ] ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:41:37 +0200 (CEST) From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: Ed Sharpe <esharpe(a)uswest.net>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0310062141210.6561-100000(a)vaxlab.pdp11.nl> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This seems to be coming our way in waves.... ahwell. --f ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:42:39 -0400 From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031006154239.007b9b70(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 11:07 AM 10/6/03 -0700, you wrote: >Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list >responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive >or something? They seem to be responding to things out of the archive. Most of them are OLD and a couple of them are really OT. Personally I'd like to filter out any messages from non-members, or at least have them pre-viewed and approved by someone. My $.02 worth, Joe Especially these people mentioning a web site and >asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that >lately. > > >-- > >/------------------------------------\ >| http://jrollins.tripod.com/ | >| KD7BCY kd7bcy(a)teleport.com | >\------------------------------------/ > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:45:30 -0400 From: "TeoZ" <teoz(a)neo.rr.com> Subject: Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <010b01c38c42$66277d20$3d7ca418(a)neo.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have use my "newer" macs 8500/7500/840av/950/IIfx to make 800k disks for my IIgs and have noticed that the auto inject 1.44 drives use on the older systems (IIfx, 840av, 950) have no problems making disks that are readable on the IIgs while the 8500/7500 non inject floppies cant do it reliably. So your better off using an old quadra to make 800k disks for older machines. I have no idea about writing 400k disks because I dont have any machines that use them. ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:47:09 -0400 From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20031006154709.007ba540(a)pop-server.cfl.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 02:12 PM 10/6/03 -0500, you wrote: >Yes, there is a public archive of the list postings. I kinda thought that's >what the public archives were FOR? I especially like it when they talk >about ancient things *S* > >I filter a lot of these so they never hit the list. But often I let them >through because I feel that is what we are here for.. to be a resource. >Maybe I'm being too lenient? Probably. I've replied to a couple of people looking for things and NONE of them has ever responded so I seldom bother any more. Joe ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:47:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "O. Sharp" <ohh(a)drizzle.com> Subject: RCS/RI Still In Existence? To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0310061240280.19026-100000(a)drizzle.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anybody know if the Retrocomputing Society of Rhode Island (http://osfn.org/rcs/) is still around? I've sent a couple of e-mails their way, and tried their phone number, but not with any luck. I saw one of the things on their online "wish-list" up for auction on eBay, and thought about having a go at getting it for them, but it'd be nice to know if they still needed it first. (Not to mention making sure I wasn't bidding _against_ them. <g>) -O.- ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:58:17 -0700 From: Marvin Johnston <marvin(a)rain.org> Subject: VCF - Stuff for Sale To: ClassicCmp <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3F81C959.8B4B6FAA(a)rain.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Rather than post the stuff here, a link to the things I'll be selling at VCF is at: http://www.rain.org/~marvin/vcf.txt As the week goes by, I'll be adding to the list and updating it as necessary. ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 14:12:13 -0700 From: "Ed Sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <004b01c38c4e$83718ae0$262e98ac(a)aoldsl.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" no we just got confused as we all belong to both lists.... but it was freaky when it would appear as a group on the other list.... sometimes we forget there are two lists... no problem just tempory confusion all is well! ed! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? > Yes, there is a public archive of the list postings. I kinda thought that's > what the public archives were FOR? I especially like it when they talk > about ancient things *S* > > I filter a lot of these so they never hit the list. But often I let them > through because I feel that is what we are here for.. to be a resource. > Maybe I'm being too lenient? > > J > > Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list > > responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive > > or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and > > asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that > > lately. > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:24:35 -0400 From: Robert Maxwell <RMaxwell(a)atlantissi.com> Subject: Re: Intel Programmer IPPS format To: "'cctech(a)classiccmp.org'" <cctech(a)classiccmp.org>, "'dmabry(a)mich.com'" <dmabry(a)mich.com> Message-ID: <9726BA9DE867D51183B900B0D0AB85F8013E4873@INETMAIL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Dave, your hazy memory is great. You just filled in a critical blank that has made a world of difference. Searching the planet for references to "IPPS" turned up nothing, but "OMF" is still quite nicely documented on the Web. My favorite file-format reference, www.wotsit.org, has a document for OMF, as do some other sites. Armed with this knowledge, I can now look at modifying an old Motorola S-record to Intel Hex converter with a new front end to suck up the OMF records and spit them out in Hex. All the best, Bob Maxwell rmaxwell(a)atlantissi.com Dave Mabry wrote: > Now, as is normal for me, this is hazy, but I think I > remember what you > are talking about. > > Intel used a format they called "object module format" that > had header > information on each block, and several possible blocks. As I recall, > the MCS48 family, due to its limited memory addressibility, used the > same OMF (object module format) as the 8080. > > Naturally, since Intel defined it, all their tools could read > and write > it. IPPS was the name of the software used to read and write EPROMS, > etc, using Intel's iUP-201 programmer. > > All that being said, I think I can help you. If you don't > have anything > that can read and understand Intel's OMF, I do. I have a > working system > that can execute IPPS. There are other utilities in the > Intel operating > system, ISIS-II, that can also do this. I should be able to convert > your OMF file to an Intel HEX format file. Intel HEX is very > common and > most programmers can understand it. It is also block oriented, but > ascii characters rather than pure binary. > > Sorry to be so wordy, but bottom line is this. (into > Technicolor dream > mode) If you send me your OMF file I can convert it to HEX > and send it > back to you. Hope that will help. > > Dave > > Robert Maxwell wrote: > > This will meet the on-topic age requirement, at least... > > > > For programming devices like processors and EPROMS with > an Intel Universal > > Programmer, > > a file format was used, called "IPPS." I need to program > 8749 processors > > from files > > in IPPS format, and have no working Universal Programmer. > > > > The format appears to be a block-oriented binary, with a > file header > > identifying the > > target device, and headers of indeterminate size preceding > sections of > > binary code. > > Nobody I spoke to at Intel recognizes it. > > > > Does anybody remember, or have access to, > documentation/data or (dreaming > > in Technicolor(R)) > > a utility to convert IPPS files into a less-unique format, > say binary or > > Intel Hex? This > > would save me from having to type in hex values from an old > listing to > > regenerate the code. ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:27:55 +0200 (CEST) From: "Fred N. van Kempen" <waltje(a)pdp11.nl> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <Pine.BSO.4.44.0310062227330.31211-100000(a)vaxlab.pdp11.nl> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > It comes in spurts. I think Jay is still (hopefully) working on a > solution ;) Yeah, lets hope Jay's working on his spurts. --f ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 13:33:49 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: John Rollins Jr <kd7bcy(a)teleport.com> Subject: Re: DEC cards available Update To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <11306683.1065472434057.JavaMail.root(a)waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Started to go fast! These are still available: National Semiconductor NS638 - memory card with a 50-pin connector on the front Sigma Information Systems DZV11 clone unknown Emulex - marked TU0210401 M7164 KDA50-Q Q-bus SDI adapter 1 of 2 M7606-AF MicroVAX II CPU M7608-BC not in guide? MicroVAX II RAM M7608-BF I have three of these: M3104 DHV11-A Q 8-line Asynchronous Multiplexor, with DMA These have been spoken for: M7551-CA MSV11-QC Q 4-Mbyte 22-bit parity/CSR MOS RAM M7516-YM DELQA-M Q Qbus to Ethernet Turbo Module, Q22 M8053-MA DMV11 Microprogrammed controller (needs one of M5930-M5931) with DDCMP control ROM (point-to-point or multidrop) Thanks! -JR ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 16:30:40 -0400 From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: General(a)internet1.net, "Discussion(a)internet1.net":On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3F81D0F0.9090108(a)internet1.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed That was a reply to a message that Chuck McMannis posted. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA Zane H. Healy wrote: >>Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list responding to things that are non existent or ancient from an archive or something? Especially these people mentioning a web site and asking to buy something. Seems that there has been a lot of that lately. > > > I must confess, I was wondering about the "Re: VAXen available" message... It made now sense to me. > > Zane > ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:37:07 -0400 From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts " <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <S.0000273761(a)mythtech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >I filter a lot of these so they never hit the list. But often I let them >through because I feel that is what we are here for.. to be a resource. >Maybe I'm being too lenient? I'm wondering if you can somehow mark the message as one that came from someone off list. I bring this up, because I've been confused by some and wondering if responses should go onlist or off list. If the poster is off list, then responses should go directly to them, or they won't get their response for a few months until the archives have circulated thru google and the likes. just my thoughts, I'm not trying to imply it needs to be followed. Nor trying to start a discussion on the topic. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net> ------------------------------ Message: 29 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:39:32 -0400 From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> Subject: RE: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts " <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <S.0000273765(a)mythtech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >>Apple stopped having the drives read and write 400 and 800 k disks a >>while ago. > >Actually the System does that... I don't remember when though. Well, yes, I didn't mean to imply that it was a drive limit. Just that Apple stopped letting a user read and write 400 and 800 K disks a while ago (I believe you are right and it was OS 8, but I'm not postive). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net> ------------------------------ Message: 30 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 16:44:31 -0400 (EDT) From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> Subject: Re: Am I seeing things? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0310061638150.28216(a)panix1.panix.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, John Rollins wrote: > > > Is it just me or are there a lot of people posting to the list [snippage] > > It comes in spurts. I think Jay is still (hopefully) working on a > solution ;) > As Jay mentioned - I'm not altogether sure that these messages from folks are a Bad Thing - it never hurts to have 'fresh' sources for collection related possiblilties. Recall that the PDP 11/44 system I own was rescued from a Big Corporation (and certain death) due to the ex-sysop finding classiccmp quite by accident. Now, in the case of blatant commercial exploitative type ads, or spam, then of course it should hopefully be diverted to /dev/nul. But I think a little tolerance shoyuld be shown for folks who are just researching parts and systems - at least we can be polite in our explanations. And yes, these type of "I was searching for X and found your site.." messages *do* seem to come in waves... I dunno... Cheers John ------------------------------ Message: 31 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 13:57:51 -0700 From: Geoff Reed <geoffr(a)zipcon.net> Subject: Re: Need IIci cache cards To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031006135647.04a4b0f0(a)mail.zipcon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:47 AM 10/6/03, you wrote: >If I remember the benchmark results correctly, the extra 32k speeds up video >by a few percent, and "Scientific" operations (IE floating point math) by a >few tens of percentage points. > >I've got a 128k cache card and it speeds up everything by quite a bit. >Probably has something to do with the built-in video getting sped up. I have a cache card in my IICX :) ok, so it's an Diimo accellerator with cache on it on an adaptor :) but it speeds everything WAY up... 50 Mhz 030 :) ------------------------------ Message: 32 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 14:07:33 -0700 From: Marvin Johnston <marvin(a)rain.org> Subject: Posting times To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3F81D995.9FB4C6DF(a)rain.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anyone else seeing extended times (< 15 minutes or so) before their posts get to the list? Kind of annoying to post something and not see it pop up on the list within a relatively short time!!! ------------------------------ Message: 33 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 22:31:41 +0100 (BST) From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: Betr.: Acorn Econet To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <m1A6cxE-000J1xC@p850ug1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 1515 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/attachments/20031006/6abf51aa/att achment-0001.ksh ------------------------------ Message: 34 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:08:18 -0700 From: "John A. Dundas III" <dundas(a)caltech.edu> Subject: GE 73 bulbs for RL02 To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <v03130306bba79781591d(a)[131.215.48.178]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Can anyone recommend a good source for the GE 73 bulbs used in the front panel switches of the RL02? A web search turned up Atlanta Light Bulbs. They claim to have them for $0.99/ea, minimum quantity 10. However when you try to check out, the minimum $ order is ~$30. I don't mind buying 10, but 30 is too many and I'm not really short on other bulbs at this time. Any suggestions? Thanks, John ------------------------------ Message: 35 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:10:18 -0400 (EDT) From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> Subject: VCF Want: Pertec formatters for Kennedy 9100 To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.58.0310061807120.28216(a)panix1.panix.com> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As message header states: I'm looking for one or two Pertec formatter cards for Kennedy 91xx series tape drives - with cables, if possible. Have $$$ for same - will be at VCF looking to trade $ for Stuff. Also, I'm looking for 2 or 3 DEC RL02 drives, one at least in good working shape - with an interconnect cable and terminator. Can pick up in Bay Area.... Cheerz John ------------------------------ Message: 36 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:21:49 -0700 From: Al Kossow <aek(a)spies.com> Subject: Re: VCF Want: Pertec formatters for Kennedy 9100 To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <200310062221.h96MLnbh015108(a)spies.com> > I'm looking for one or two Pertec formatter > cards for Kennedy 91xx series tape drives - with cables, if possible. 91xx formatters are separate rack mounted boxes (9219) www.spies.com/aek/pdf/kennedy/006-0002-01_9219_formatter.pdf is the manual for the 9219 If you are using these on DEC systems, you may have better luck finding embedded Unibus or Qbus formatters made by Emulex, Plessey, Dilog, etc. ------------------------------ Message: 37 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:23:37 -0700 From: "Patrick Rigney" <patrick(a)evocative.com> Subject: SemiDisk Solid State Disk Emulator To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <NABBLBMGIPBIOFEOPLODMEJJPIAA.patrick(a)evocative.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does anyone have a PDF scan of the manual for a SemiDisk solid-state disk emulator? Please contact me if you do... --Patrick ------------------------------ Message: 38 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 18:24:23 -0400 From: Ian Primus <ian_primus(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <D65F51DA-F84B-11D7-91F9-000393D7845A(a)yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed IIRC, you could no longer use 400k disks as of System 7.6, but you can still use 800k disks up through System 9, provided of course that you have a Mac with an internal floppy drive. The external USB drives are, for the most part, PC clone laptop style drives, and therefore can not read or write the GCR disks. But, you _can_ write 400k floppies on System 7.6 and up with Disk Copy. You can't mount the image, and you can't mount the disk you created, but it does work. Once again, you have to have a Mac with an internal floppy drive. Why Apple stopped offering floppy drives, I don't know. I know that the first peripheral I bought for my G4 was a floppy drive, and I still hate the fact that it's slow as hell, and doesn't have auto eject. Ian Primus ian_primus(a)yahoo.com On Monday, October 6, 2003, at 04:39 PM, chris wrote: >>> Apple stopped having the drives read and write 400 and 800 k disks a >>> while ago. >> >> Actually the System does that... I don't remember when though. > > Well, yes, I didn't mean to imply that it was a drive limit. Just that > Apple stopped letting a user read and write 400 and 800 K disks a while > ago (I believe you are right and it was OS 8, but I'm not postive). > > -chris > <http://www.mythtech.net> > ------------------------------ Message: 39 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 15:56:36 -0700 From: Al Kossow <aek(a)spies.com> Subject: Re: Posting times To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Message-ID: <200310062256.h96Mua2p019520(a)spies.com> Anyone else seeing extended times (< 15 minutes or so) before their posts get to the list? -- I'm more concerned that the archive sort by date isn't corrected for local time zone. Since the sort by thread doesn't always work right, I just watch the list from the archive, but now the replies can show up in the list before the original question, depending on when the original message was posted. ------------------------------ Message: 40 Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 19:05:02 -0400 From: Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net> Subject: Re: black paper tape = mylar? To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <3F81F51E.1060507(a)tiac.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Mylar paper tape has never come in black, as far as I know. Black paper tape was sold for use with photoelectric paper tape readers like HP's, which work, sometimes with yellow paper (until any oil get on the tape anyway). But the black stuff makes even a sloppy optical reader work great, and it does not kill the edges on your punch like Mylar will do. Jay West wrote: >I was wanting to get some mylar paper tape. There is an auction on Ebay for >6 rolls of "black paper tape"... can one generally assume that black paper >tape is mylar and not just paper? > >The URL is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2562042672 > >Can anyone advise if this is likely to be mylar or not? > >Regards, > >Jay West > >--- >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > ------------------------------ Message: 41 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:29:54 -0400 From: "Andrew Strouse" <kittstr(a)access-4-free.com> Subject: Re: Fat (512K) Mac Revival? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <000201c38c5e$c068e460$7d444a43@amscomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There doesn't seem to be any battery in the back at all. Where do I go about getting one of those? I haven't cracked the unit open yet but I will and check the power supply. Andrew Strouse ( kittstr(a)access-4-free.com ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Hartman" <alhartman(a)yahoo.com> To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Fat (512K) Mac Revival? > It could be something as simple as a bad PRAM battery. > There's a little door in the upper back, that has a > battery in it. > > Open it and see if there's a battery in there. If it > hasn't exploded... You probably can try replacing that > as a start. > > Next would be the Power Supply/Analog board. > > But, yes... You should be able to buy a replacement > cheaper than fixing that unit. Though, you might find > buyers for the parts to help fund that. > > Regards, > Al Hartman > > > > From: "Andrew Strouse" <kittstr(a)access-4-free.com> > > > > The recent discussion about reviving a Mac SE/30 > > reminded me that I have a "fat mac" in my closet > > collecting dust. I found it after a yard sale a > > few years ago. ( I like to go late and see what > > finds I can get for nothing because the people just > > want the stuff out of their house.) I remember > > when I plugged it in, nothing happened. No sounds, > > lights, bars, patterns, sad/happy macs, etc. Does > > anyone have any suggestions of what to do to > > attempt to get it running. Is it worth it? (I'd > > like to play with it but could I find another one > > that works for less than it will take to fix?) > > It came with a large box of disks, and external > > drive, mouse and keyboard, so it seemed like a > > complete system, except that it doesn't work. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Andrew Strouse > >( kittstr(a)access-4-free.com ) > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Message: 42 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:11:46 -0400 From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net> Subject: Re: Help! need 400k/800k Mac os 6 or 7 diskettes! To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts " <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <S.0000273836(a)mythtech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >IIRC, you could no longer use 400k disks as of System 7.6, but you can >still use 800k disks up through System 9, provided of course that you >have a Mac with an internal floppy drive. I can't reliably read or write 800K disks in my PM 6500 with OS 9.0.4. Haven't been able to for a few OS versions. Also can't in my PM 9600. It attempts it, and is sometimes works for reading an 800K disk. It can also on occasion write to 800K disks, but it can never format them. It will attempt a format, it will even complete it without complaint... but the disk will be undreadable in machines running older OS versions. If I format in an older machine, I can then get a few writes to the disk before the data is unreadable in an older machine (and if the disk is freshly formatted, then I can usually get one or two reads as well). So based on personal experience, I just chalk it up that Apple stopped letting you do both 400 and 800 (with 400 being right out) >Why Apple stopped >offering floppy drives, I don't know. Cost cutting. They were trying to get the iMac down to as cheap a build as possible, and they knew that most consumers would have little need for a floppy drive in the long run. So it was a place to shave a few bucks off the manufacturing costs. Alas when they choose to do it, it was still a tad premature, as yes, in the LONG run, most consumers wouldn't need a floppy drive... but until they migrated their entire collection of old disks to something else, then they still needed it (but its a typical catch-22... if Apple left the drive in, no consumer would migrate their stuff in anticipation for the removal of the drive, so the consumer wasn't going to stop needing the drive, until right after the drive was no longer there) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net> End of cctalk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 10 *************************************

20 years, 9 months

IBM 5285

by g.vanzundert＠chello.nl

Hi there, My name is Cor van Zundert and I work for IBM. In the 80's I've been working on the IBM 5285, which has been used as a programmable data entry station. It worked with a Data Entry RPG programming language and was the first machine in history where data comunication (based on SNA) was programmable.

20 years, 9 months

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