Please reply directly to me...
Since there are a few of you here using Pine, maybe someone can give
me a little hand. :)
When I tried to send a test message, I got a No Relaying message.
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Thanks for the advice, Tom.
I knew I had forgotten a few things.
> Have you tried to read the DL11-W status register?
> Do you only get the PAUSE on a deposit?
Did a reset and then EXAM on 1777560 (CSR) --> PAUSE goes on
> As you indicate, checking the power supply voltages is
> an important first step.
Agreed, but I could not do that yesterday evening when I
thought of it, because the washing machine was also running ...
> It sounds like you might have a bus request/grant jumper problem or
> problem in the CPU hardware. Since you are using slot 40 (the first
> UNIBUS slot) for your DL11-W, it would seem that the problem would
> be either in the MASSBUS jumpers or a CPU hardware problem. Of
> course, it could also be a backplane wire problem.
Looks like it :-(
> Have you tried to execute a very simple program such as jump to
> self (0777) by depositing that value at location 01000 and starting
> there? This is a good basic CPU test.
Yes, that was the other test I forgot to write.
This test is also succesfull.
> Do you have a KM11 diagnostic board? Using the KM11, you can
> cycle through the microcode flows listed in the printset. This will
> help you diagnose the problem at a finer level then just watching
> the pause lamp turn on. Of course, you will likely need a set of
> board extenders and minimally an o-scope as well. If you don't
> have a KM11 and want to build one, check out the one I built here:
>
> http://www.ubanproductions.com/museum.html
Nice pages. Had seen them before, but lost the URL ...
I hope that I do not have to dig in that deep, but I have a quad and
a double sized extender board and a good Tektronix 465.
If building the KM11 was the problem, I did not have a problem.
To build something as simple as that is a "piece of cake".
- Henk.
> At 09:31 AM 7/11/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hi all.
> >
> >I am having trouble with my 11/70 because it works only partial.
> >Since things are quiet on the list, I have something to ask.
> >It is a long story, but as said on the list this week, the more
> >info you give, the less not relevant suggestions are typed.
> >
> >First the description of the machine.
> >The machine has only all CPU boards (with FP), the DL11-W and
> >3 MASSBUSS interfaces. The fourth MASSBUS interface has in the
> >correct slot a G727. All other UNIBUS slots have a G727 in the
> >card position D. The MOS memory box is also connected to the CPU.
> >
> >This is what I have done so far.
> >When I turn on the machine everything "looks" fine. With the switch
> >ENABLE/HALT on HALT and pressing START, the machine sort of resets.
> >With the panel I can dump data in the MOS memory at address 00000000.
> >I did this also at 00001000 and 00010000. It 'works' and when I read
> >the contents back from those addresses, it is the correct data.
> >So, my first conclusion is that (part of) the CPU is OK and that the
> >address and data path to the MOS memory and the MOS memory box itself
> >are all OK as well.
> >
> >Here is the part that worries me.
> >In slot #40 (IIRC) is the DL11-W (M7856) console interface.
> >I am trying to write to the transmit buffer address (XBUF -
> 17777566).
> >I set the knobs on the 11/70 console to "CONS PHY" and "DATA
> REGISTER"
> >so that the address on the switches is the real physical address and
> >the data on the switches is what I want to store.
> >After the reset of the machine (HALT/START) I set the switches to
> >17777566, and press LOAD ADRS. On the ADDRESS leds appears 17777566.
> >Now, I set the switches to 00000071 (should give a "9" on the VT220).
> >When I toggle the DEP button, the PAUSE led goes on.
> >According to the handbook that means the the CPU tries to finish the
> >instruction as far as possible and then waits for an event to finish.
> >The event could be (I assume) an interrupt or, in this case, access
> >to the UNIBUS section.
> >
> >Next test was checking the DL11-W interface.
> >First I switched on my 11/34C. With address 165020/START, I get the
> >dump of the registers on the VT102. So, I mad sure that the M7856
> >in the 11/34C is OK.
> >Now, I swapped the M7856 of the 11/70 with the M7856 of the 11/34C.
> >First, I started the 11/34C again. I get the register dump on the
> >screen. So, the M7856 from the 11/70 was OK.
> >Just to make sure I tried the 11/70 again (with M7856 of the 34C),
> >but I get the same result: PAUSE led goes on.
> >
> >Yesterday, I had a long conversation on the phone with Edward. We
> >talk about all kind of (PDP-11) things, and also the 11/70 problem.
> >One suggestion was that the UNIBUS map is not yet initialised, and
> >that would cause the UNIBUS accesses to fail. My guess is that when
> >the console panel knob is set to "CONS PHY", I have full access to
> >all addresses without any mapping taking place. Is this correct?
> >
> >Anyway, to test the "UNIBUS map initialisation" theory, I read the
> >M9312 bootstrap manual. The 11/70 (and 11/60) have a different PROM
> >that stores the diagnostics. The 11/04--11/55 PROM also contains a
> >console monitor, but the 60 and 70 PROM only has diagnostics.
> >The manuals says to load address 17765744, then set the switches
> >8-0 to the device code and then press START.
> >I checked the M9312 to look at the diag PROM. According the M9312
> >manual the PROM code must be 248F1 (IIRC) for the 11/04-11/55, and
> >233F1 for the 11/60-11/70. My M9312 has a PROM with code 616F1.
> >Is that a new type for the 11/70? The M9312 is the card that was
> >in the 11/70 when I got it, and another 11/70 (with remote console)
> >that I have has the same PROM. Edward's 11/70's (he has also 2)
> >one has a 233F1, the other has a 616F1.
> >So, I did that test, but the PAUSE led goes on again.
> >
> >Trying to boot from an RX01 should need at least the RX11 card in
> >a UNIBUS slot ... I did that, so I put the M7846 in slot 41 (IIRC),
> >next to the DL11-W. Tried the test again: 17765744 - LOAD ADRS - set
> >the device code on switches 8 to 0 - START. Alas, PAUSE on again.
> >
> >What puzzles me is the "device code" you must set on the 9 least
> >significant switches. I have set that to 170 as that are the LSB's
> >of the start address fro the bootstrap of the RX11. Is that correct?
> >
> >Come to think of the good advice from Tony: I will check the
> >power supply voltages this evening. Especially the one that supplies
> >the cards that deal with the UNIBUS section ...
> >
> >tnx for reading all this,
> >and TIA for all responses,
> >
> >- Henk.
>
>
Hi
It looks like I made a nice find. I bought an
Intel 200 series expansion box, mainly because it
had the two card set for the Intel double density.
(Intel's double density is not compatible with others.)
There was another board in the chassis that I
didn't even look at much. I just assumed it was
some ICE board without the dongle so I didn't
give it much thought. I then noticed that the
extraction ear said 432IP. Looking closer, it
seems to be a 432 card with a 432 chip. It is
a 432/602 board.
I nice find. Now, I know that information on
these are rare but I thought I'd ask, does anyone
have any of the software to run one of these?
Thanks
Dwight
respond to the original poster, please.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Bustamante" <ACBustamante(a)bigfoot.com>
To: "'Robert Schaefer'" <rschaefe(a)gcfn.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:53 PM
Subject: RE: Used Alpha's and Vax's
> Feel free to pass this on. The 3100's are 3100-20 & 3100-80. Their
> availabilty
> TBD.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Schaefer [mailto:rschaefe@gcfn.org]
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 4:34 AM
> To: ACBustamante(a)bigfoot.com
> Subject: Re: Used Alpha's and Vax's
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Bustamante" <ACBustamante(a)bigfoot.com>
> To: "'Robert Schaefer'" <rschaefe(a)gcfn.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 03:40 AM
> Subject: RE: Used Alpha's and Vax's
>
>
> > I'm in San Diego CA. The VAX includes 2 HSZ50's assorted 2 GB disks.
> I
> > can
> > check tomorrow if you're interested. We're shopping it around. Our
> > office is moving
> > and I won't have space for this beast. Pity, it makes a bang up
> > web server.
>
> I'm in Columbus, Ohio. :( If you like, I can pass it along to the
> classiccmp mailing list.
>
> Bob
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Schaefer [mailto:rschaefe@gcfn.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:29 PM
> > To: acbustamante(a)bigfoot.com
> > Subject: Re: Used Alpha's and Vax's
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante(a)bigfoot.com>
> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 07:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: Used Alpha's and Vax's
> >
> >
> > > We will have several VAX 3100's available in the next few months,
> and
> > have
> > a
> > > VAX 7000-730 (3 CPU) we're retiring. Any interrest?
> >
> > Where are you located?
> >
> > >
> > > The 7000 is my (internal) web server, formerly a customer system.
> > > --
> > >
> > > Andy Bustamante
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > > remove the ascii-95's to reply by e-mail
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam(a)fsi.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3D2B9156.508C17F6@fsi.net...
> > > > Jim Rizzolo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I am trying to locate used OpenVMS systems (Alpha and VAX). Does
> > > > > anyone know of any websites where I can find sellers? Thank
> you.
> > > >
> > > > A few listings at:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/support.html
> > > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/support.html#hardware
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > David J. Dachtera
> > > > dba DJE Systems
> > > > http://www.djesys.com/
> > > >
> > > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:
> > > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/
> > > >
> > >
> > >
Hi all.
> BTW, how much did that KM-11 replica PCB cost? I wish I
> could find hobby-level PCB vendors that _could_ do
> gold fingers, but for as much as that card would be used,
I did a quick check in my cards stock.
I guess that the simple M105 address selected is a cheap
candidate to get a new life as KM11. Just remove the few parts
and, to be sure there are no interconnections, cut the trace
a bit after the fingers.
Then solder a flat cable to the traces that are used for the
KM11. ** Do not extend the length of the flat cable too long!
Stray capacitance between the wires can induce a voltage
in the wire next to it. I had that problem a few years ago.
The thing worked nice, but after a few months it died on me
and I could not figure out what went wrong at first.
With the oscilloscope the problems became visible: due to
crosstalk/induction between the wires, the signal voltage on
some wires went negative, more than -0.6 Volts.
TTL circuits really hate that!
- Henk.
(with a busy weekend ahead...)
I have the same problem with the FD505 and would like to get a copy of the
documentation. Can you please e-mail me a scanned copy or fax a paper copy
to 925-606-9421? Many thanks!
Hi Mike:
My name is Ron.
I just found a sybex 6800 trainer that someone removed the monitor ROM from. I paid $5.00 for it.
Do you still have engineering note 100 available?
If so how can I get a copy.
If it's in a .pdf document, where can I down load it?
If you photocopy it I will pay for your copying and postage costs.
Please contact me by e-mail so we can set up the details.
Thanks,
Ron Ward
In regard to the Freeware CDs for RSX-11 and RT-11
I have now finished the verification tasks that I feel
are needed to ensure that I am producing correct images.
I will be making some copies of the CD images from:
ftp://ftp.trailing-edge.com/pub/cd-images/http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RT-11/http://www.classiccmp.org/PDP-11/RSX-11/
At this point, the only thing that I still want to do is to
have a label which accurately reflects the contents.
Obviously, the same label that Tim Shoppa used would
be best. Failing that, at least the same words. Since
I already have my own copy of the RT-11 CD, that is
NOT why I am sending this e-mail. Does anyone on
this list know where I might obtain a copy of the RSX-11
CD labels?
If I have not been able to obtain a copy of the RSX-11
CD labels by the end of July, then I will just do the best
I can!
For those users who receive a personal copy of this e-mail,
you are already on my list. I will send you a mailing address
when I am ready to burn the CDs.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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>From: "Geoff Reed" <geoffr(a)zipcon.net>
>
>At 10:22 AM 7/11/02 -0700, you wrote:
>>Hi Dan
>> I get a 'boot device not ready' message. I'll have to look to
>>see exactly what the device is but I do remember it does include
>>the sd@3,0. I guess it is just a bad drive. I'm the only one
>
>what do you get when you do a probe-scsi-all at the OK prompt?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
Hi Goeff and Dan
I'll give it a check tonight when I get home.
Dwight
Hi all.
I am having trouble with my 11/70 because it works only partial.
Since things are quiet on the list, I have something to ask.
It is a long story, but as said on the list this week, the more
info you give, the less not relevant suggestions are typed.
First the description of the machine.
The machine has only all CPU boards (with FP), the DL11-W and
3 MASSBUSS interfaces. The fourth MASSBUS interface has in the
correct slot a G727. All other UNIBUS slots have a G727 in the
card position D. The MOS memory box is also connected to the CPU.
This is what I have done so far.
When I turn on the machine everything "looks" fine. With the switch
ENABLE/HALT on HALT and pressing START, the machine sort of resets.
With the panel I can dump data in the MOS memory at address 00000000.
I did this also at 00001000 and 00010000. It 'works' and when I read
the contents back from those addresses, it is the correct data.
So, my first conclusion is that (part of) the CPU is OK and that the
address and data path to the MOS memory and the MOS memory box itself
are all OK as well.
Here is the part that worries me.
In slot #40 (IIRC) is the DL11-W (M7856) console interface.
I am trying to write to the transmit buffer address (XBUF - 17777566).
I set the knobs on the 11/70 console to "CONS PHY" and "DATA REGISTER"
so that the address on the switches is the real physical address and
the data on the switches is what I want to store.
After the reset of the machine (HALT/START) I set the switches to
17777566, and press LOAD ADRS. On the ADDRESS leds appears 17777566.
Now, I set the switches to 00000071 (should give a "9" on the VT220).
When I toggle the DEP button, the PAUSE led goes on.
According to the handbook that means the the CPU tries to finish the
instruction as far as possible and then waits for an event to finish.
The event could be (I assume) an interrupt or, in this case, access
to the UNIBUS section.
Next test was checking the DL11-W interface.
First I switched on my 11/34C. With address 165020/START, I get the
dump of the registers on the VT102. So, I mad sure that the M7856
in the 11/34C is OK.
Now, I swapped the M7856 of the 11/70 with the M7856 of the 11/34C.
First, I started the 11/34C again. I get the register dump on the
screen. So, the M7856 from the 11/70 was OK.
Just to make sure I tried the 11/70 again (with M7856 of the 34C),
but I get the same result: PAUSE led goes on.
Yesterday, I had a long conversation on the phone with Edward. We
talk about all kind of (PDP-11) things, and also the 11/70 problem.
One suggestion was that the UNIBUS map is not yet initialised, and
that would cause the UNIBUS accesses to fail. My guess is that when
the console panel knob is set to "CONS PHY", I have full access to
all addresses without any mapping taking place. Is this correct?
Anyway, to test the "UNIBUS map initialisation" theory, I read the
M9312 bootstrap manual. The 11/70 (and 11/60) have a different PROM
that stores the diagnostics. The 11/04--11/55 PROM also contains a
console monitor, but the 60 and 70 PROM only has diagnostics.
The manuals says to load address 17765744, then set the switches
8-0 to the device code and then press START.
I checked the M9312 to look at the diag PROM. According the M9312
manual the PROM code must be 248F1 (IIRC) for the 11/04-11/55, and
233F1 for the 11/60-11/70. My M9312 has a PROM with code 616F1.
Is that a new type for the 11/70? The M9312 is the card that was
in the 11/70 when I got it, and another 11/70 (with remote console)
that I have has the same PROM. Edward's 11/70's (he has also 2)
one has a 233F1, the other has a 616F1.
So, I did that test, but the PAUSE led goes on again.
Trying to boot from an RX01 should need at least the RX11 card in
a UNIBUS slot ... I did that, so I put the M7846 in slot 41 (IIRC),
next to the DL11-W. Tried the test again: 17765744 - LOAD ADRS - set
the device code on switches 8 to 0 - START. Alas, PAUSE on again.
What puzzles me is the "device code" you must set on the 9 least
significant switches. I have set that to 170 as that are the LSB's
of the start address fro the bootstrap of the RX11. Is that correct?
Come to think of the good advice from Tony: I will check the
power supply voltages this evening. Especially the one that supplies
the cards that deal with the UNIBUS section ...
tnx for reading all this,
and TIA for all responses,
- Henk.
