test-drb June 2002

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by mythtech＠mac.com

>And I know Chris >has the version that goes into a Cabletron (?) network hub, as a module. >Ever start that up Chris? Not yet. I have more toys kicking around that I WANT to play with, than I have time TO play with. Although, since Passwords seems to be an issue, I should really get it up and check it before it is too late to contact the person we bought it from in case I need a password. > As for documentation, I found... I also have a photo copy of the manuals that came with my Gator (the manuals went to Dave as part of a halfsies deal to get mine cheaper). So I can make more copies easily with them if anyone needs a set (now I can drop them on the sheet feeder and walk away.. it was this first set that was a dog as I had to turn the page, press the copy button, repeat for 3 somewhat decent sized manuals). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 6 months

Bulk Tape Eraser: Revisited

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Actaully, if it's a Trinitron CRT, be more careful. It's not too hard to >distort the aperture grille (and thus ruin the CRT) with a degausing >coil. Don't think it is a Trinitron. Isn't that a Sony thing? This is a Sharp unit. I give the bulk eraser a shot before buying a coil. Thanks -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 6 months

Gatorbox (was RE: APPLEVISION Monitor)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Ethan Dicks > > > --- David Woyciesjes <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> wrote: > > Or, if you can find a Cayman GatorBox GX-R, which provides a > > LocalTalk-Ethernet bridge, DECnet routing, UNIX-LocalTalk printing, and > > UNIX based files services... > > I'd been meaning to bring up GatorBoxen since I saw pallets of them > at the Dayton ComputerFest last August. ISTR they were in the $10-$20 > range. > > My only experience was with one (not sure about the model) at Scott Base. > It was fine until they wanted to change some networking parameter but > did not have the passwords (the technician who installed it had been > gone for years, and he probably gave the passwords to the Station > Manager who had been gone just as long, I'd wager).. > > So... I had contemplated picking up one of the boxes I saw at Dayton, > but was concerned about passwords. Does anyone on the list have a > GatorBox? If so, what models? Docs? Know of any backdoors to get > around missing passwords? > > In the meantime, I'll stick with the $10 PPC Macs I've been getting, and > when I do occasionally need to fire up a Compact Mac, I do have a > SCSI<->Ethernet box that works fine. > - Well, my GatorStar GX-R is the rackmount version. And I know Chris has the version that goes into a Cabletron (?) network hub, as a module. Ever start that up Chris? And sounds like my situation. There's admin passwords on mine. Haven't had a chance to hack them yet. I should try that out soon. Granted, none of my home network is set up right now... You can get software to reflash the firmware, using a Mac on it's console port. That should eliminate the passwords for you. Cayman, which is now part of Netopia, used to have their software on the website, but I can't find it now. Looks like Netopia dumped it. I have the files around here somewhere. As for documentation, I found... http://opcenter.cso.uiuc.edu/nas//nash/mac/gbox.html I also found this page just now in the WayBack machine... http://web.archive.org/web/19970705033723/www.cayman.com/gx.html http://web.archive.org/web/19970705034344/www.cayman.com/specs.html Let me know if you need more assistance. -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1 - Darwin Kernel Version 5 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

22 years, 6 months

APPLEVISION Monitor

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Chris > > >We'd best just agree to disagree about Apple Computer Co product quality. > > I'm sure not aiming to start another flame war :-) > Thank you both! ;) > >One thing that I've wondered is how one gets an old MAC to talk on the > >Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and Windows NT > >servers.. > > > >What do you know about that? > > Most Macs, since sometime in the early 90's have come with ethernet on > board. The exceptions were the home targeted models (like the Performa > series), where ethernet was an optional add on. Every mac since the G3 > comes with ethernet standard (basically, with the death of the performa > line came the death of optional ethernet.... > > That pretty much means, every mac from the Plus on can support ethernet. > > .... > If you can't get AppleTalk supported, then you will have to add things to > the Mac to access the servers. There are 3rd party apps out there to > enable the Mac to speak to a number of different systems. If this is > something you want to do, I will be happy to discuss it with you, but it > is going to get off topic really fast, so we are better off taking it off > list. > > -chris > Or, if you can find a Cayman GatorBox GX-R, which provides a LocalTalk-Ethernet bridge, DECnet routing, UNIX-LocalTalk printing, and UNIX based files services... -- --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 Mac OS X 10.1.2 - Darwin Kernel Version 5.2: Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001 Running since 01/22/2002 without a crash

22 years, 6 months

[CCTECH] Latest Finds in Houston

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

1. Several TI 99/4A cartridges: Extended Basic PHM3026 Plato Interpreter Solid State PHM3122 Logo II OHM 3109 Editor/Assembler PHM 3055 Microsoft Multiplan PHM 313 Return To Pirates Isle PHM 3189 2. Some Atari 2600 cartridges 3. PB Legend 520SX system 4. Silver-Reed EXP770 printer 5. Samsung Composite color monitor 6. TurboPad for TurboGrafix16 still looking for power supplies for these puppies. 7. Sega control pad for the Master system. 8. Several other items to new to list here.

22 years, 6 months

Forth for PDP-11

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> > >> >> > SOL-11 - A Small Language and OS for the PDP-11 >> > >> > SOL is a small, non-standard, stand-alone FORTH kernel containing >> > everything that is required to edit, store, recall, compile, and run >> > programs on PDP-11 microcomputers. It is intended for a minimum >> > operating system and programming environment. The FORTH language offers >> > full access to the complete hardware. Device drivers for the console and >> > some block devices are included. > >This is so cool! > >> > Supported Hardware >> > >> > * PDP-11 CPU with EIS (required) >> > * 8K to 28K words of memory > >Dang, the EIS requirement sucks! This would be perfect for PDP-11/03's and >SBC-11/21's. Unfortunatly the /03 needs the KEV11 option, and the SBC-11/21 >is just plain out of luck. > >> Presumably it ignores the MMU (but doesn't object if one is present, as >> few machines have EIS but no MMU). >> >> > * console terminal (preferrably VT100) >> > * RX01/RX02 floppy disk drives >> > * RL02 disk drive >> > * TU58 tape drive >> >> I assume it needs the CPU, RAM, console and at least one of the mass >> storage devices. It can't need _all_ the drives, surely? > >It only needs one of the drives. > >I just built it and booted the RL02 image on SIMH. It looks pretty cool, of >course I don't know FORTH, so can't actually do anything.... > >I suspect the TU58 option means that it's possible to run this on a PDP-11 >that doesn't have any drives, but has two SLU's, just run a TU58 emulator on >a PC. > >> > The Sources >> > >> > SOL is written in PDP-11 assembly language and FORTH. The BTN11 >> > assembler (version 0.9 or later) is required to compile the assembly >> > part of SOL. >> > 40187 2001-07-17 sol-11.tar.gz version 0.4 >> >> Sounds like just what I need (given that I have all of the supported >> hardware!). I will take a look. Thanks.... > >You'll want a UNIX box to build everything. If you don't have a way to >build the images I can through them up on my FTP site (if anyone needs this >it would be best to send me a private email so I'm sure to see the request). > >Now to go googling for some FORTH documentation... > > Zane > Hi Try: http://www.forth.org/ For I/O, you may need to look at the source code some. It varies from amchine to machine. Everything in Forth is a word. A word can be as short as : or longer. These words have actions. Some expect a string, as in : expects a name and ." expect a string. Words that start with . are usually some kind of print. The sequence: 4 . will print the number 4. Here is another fun definition: : .H BASE @ SWAP HEX U. BASE ! ; DECIMAL 45 .H Disk I/O on fig Forth was block I/O. To access the first block: 0 BLOCK ( returns the address of the buffer, usually 1K ) If you type: UPDATE FLUSH it will write the buffer back to the disk. You could modify the data by: 55 0 BLOCK ! UPDATE FLUSH Not a good idea to try until you know what damage is done. The site I just sent does have some tutorials but remember there were several standards. Most are similar but some will be different enough to cause troubles. Examples: 2 NOT will return different values for fig and F89. I forget which but one will be 0 and the other will be FFFD hex or -3. One complements the flag and the other complements the bits. A good book to find is called "Starting Forth" by Leo Brodie. Dwight

22 years, 6 months

Bulk Tape Eraser: Revisited

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

or maybe I just have to unplug it rather than switch it off When you turn it off, and leave it in Line mode, and have an audio feed to the Line such as from a VCR, you can hear the audio real silently coming thru it, so there is a good chance the on/off button only does a standby mode. With there still being sound this seems likely. If the magnetism is strong it may take two weeks of switching off overnight to visibly reduce it and once or twice a week after that to keep it gone. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

22 years, 6 months

[CCTECH] any ISIS info out there?

by dpeschel＠eskimo.com

Since I've been curious about ISIS for some time, I was glad to finally borrow a copy of the _ISIS-II System User's Guide_. Comparing ISIS to CP/M is quite instructive. I already knew that CP/M has a few design flaws which ISIS lacks. On the other hand, I was surprised at how much memory ISIS takes up. And ISIS has its own design flaws (things are fatal errors that might be recoverable in CP/M, disk formatting can be quite complicated). Does anyone have details on the monitor, ICE80 (simulator), UPM (PROM programmer), or PLM80? I have seen the System/360 version of PL/M but I didn't realize it ran _on_ the 8080. (The manual implies that it does.) Having a system that can develop its own software is important, I would say. (Yes, Tony, we already talked about the front panel and monitor on one of the Intellec systems, but I think this hardware/software is different.) -- Derek _______________________________________________ cctech mailing list cctech(a)classiccmp.org http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech

22 years, 6 months

Looking for manual: Network Systems Corporation's Network Security Router

by foo＠siconic.com

I'm looking for the manuals for Network Systems Corporation "Security Router". I am most interested in the section describing the Packet Control Facility (PCF). I need the edition published prior to 10/1994 (most likely edition 1.0 or 2.0). Possible bounty ($$$) involved ;) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

22 years, 6 months

[CCTECH] Re: any ISIS info out there?

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>From: Joe <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com> > >Hi Derek, > > > ISIS is a VERY primitive system IMO. It only has six commands total (IIRC) Then again, it supports submit files, conditional execution and return codes. Primitive but more potential power than the early DOS. The only thing I found missing was that it really wasn't a multi-user OS. Dwight > and the file systems is truly STRANGE. I've been wondering about the system >calls too. My manuals mention them but don't provide ANY details and I have a >pretty complete set of manuals. What system are you running it on? I >currently have a 800, an 880 and 235 plus another 235 that I'm storing for >someone else. > > BTW I finally picked up a hard drive for mine after 7 or 8 years of searching. :-) > > Joe > >At 03:41 AM 6/24/02 -0700, you wrote: >>On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 02:58:26AM -0700, Derek Peschel wrote: >>> (Yes, Tony, we already talked about the front panel and monitor on one of >>> the Intellec systems, but I think this hardware/software is different.) >> >>At any rate the disk seems to have an additional ROM. Also the manual >>mentions system calls which aren't in the list of commands I have. >> >>-- Derek >>_______________________________________________ >>cctech mailing list >>cctech(a)classiccmp.org >>http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech >> > >_______________________________________________ >cctech mailing list >cctech(a)classiccmp.org >http://www.classiccmp.org/mailman/listinfo/cctech >

22 years, 6 months

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test-drb June 2002