test-drb May 2002

test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

246 participants
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by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> > My bad, I don't have a 11/34, I meant a 11/23+. The question stands, though. > I have the KDF11-AA (11/23?) and KDF11-BA (11/23B) manuals scanned as PDF. I don't know if the KDF11-B (M8189) is what you ahve in your system (but I think that's what a PLUS is). There is also a KDJ11 manual on the net. That's obviously several hundred more pages than you might care to read, but if noone has a canned config for you, this might be what you have to do. Antonio

22 years, 8 months

TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Rod Young [mailto:rodyoung@shaw.ca] > Yes, 2MB on board, but I'm looking for something bigger than > the 4MB (it's Me too ;) > I'm just getting the unit going, and need the BNC terminators > to make the You know that you can also use an AUI terminator if your 2000 has an AUI port? I think this goes without saying... :) > ethernet happy, and also a cable ...08 to make the 9pin a > console port (as > this is a VS2000). It's a simple straight-through serial cable with pins 8 and 9 tied together on the machine end. Nothing fancy. You can make one up in five minutes with parts from radio shark. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 8 months

11/23+ Settings

by borisg＠unixg.ubc.ca

I couldn't help noticing this paragraph: >Do you have anywhere I can FTP it to? >The full manual will be in the region >of 200MB. Rather than pdf, consider using DjVu; it's a LOT more compact (I recompressed some pages from the RT-11 Software support manual that I'd scanned a while ago with DjVu, and went from about 900 Kb/page to 30-40 Kb/page). Needless to say, I was very impressed. The DjVu viewer plugin for various browsers if free, and a program which scans images to individual files is also free from http://www.djvu.com/. I first heard about DjVu on this list, and it is one of the neatest pieces of compression software that I've seen. Boris Gimbarzevsky

22 years, 8 months

need a map through the MSV11 Qbus memory jungle

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Gunther Schadow wrote: > >in my VAX 11/780 I have the PDP-11/03 alias KC780. And it has >the following memory board right now: > >M7944 MSV11-B Q 4-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM (external refresh) > >But, since I'm planning to upgrade to an 11/785 I need additional >RAM. When it showed up on ePay I buyed a > >M8044-DA MSV11-DD Q 32-Kword 16-bit MOS RAM > >but the boot program will not load with this. Why would that be? I'm at home now and I've been able to check some manuals, without too much luck though. The "LSI-11, PDP-11/03 user's manual" discusses the KD11-F (M7264) and KD11-J (M7264-YA) which seems to be the same module with no RAM and packaged differently. I don't know whether that's the module used in the 11/780 console. I'm sure it's in one of those manuals, but I bet you can find out quicker by looking :-) It also discusses usage (and jumpering) of the MSV11-B (M7944) 4K memory board. If your LSI CPU is the M7264(-YA) then you probably want this manual anyway. I also have a copy of the MSV11-P User Guide but that discusses the M8067-LA, -KA, -FA which are 256K, 128K and 64K boards. Maybe useful as a general reference but probably not applicable to jumpering your stuff. My random guess is either you have the refresh wrong or the memory board starting address is wrong. Sadly, even if the guess is right, neither of these manuals are likely to help you sort it out. Let me know if you want them ftp'd somewhere anyway. Antonio

22 years, 8 months

TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Rod Young [mailto:rodyoung@shaw.ca] > anyone have an *extra* memory for the MV2000? Define extra. :) You know they have 2M on board, right? Do you have one without any add-in memory option? I've honestly never seen one like that. Again, I have plenty of "spare" VAXStation 2000 stuff, but I'd like to stay away from committing to ship anything just now. The only memory options I have are 2 and 4M boards, which would give you a total of either 4 or 6M. You do know that you can only fit one RAM board in a system, right? Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 8 months

Thanks a bunch!

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Gunther Schadow wrote: >Whoever scanned the KA780 and FP780 "Technical Description" documents >and put them up on the moremaniuals site ought to be given thanks >and praise! I scanned all those 11/780 docs and sent them along to DFWCUG but the real praise should go to Alain Nierveze who sent copies of the manuals to me in the post for scanning. >These are wonderful in depth description that I had been >searching for and that none of the "architecture manuals" etc. >ever delivered. These are certainly "old-style" DEC technical manuals. They virtually describe the machine down to the individual chips. All we need now is a full set of prints for the VAX-11/780 ... or a full set of tech manuals for the VAX-11/750 (or VAX-11/730) and someone can then do a full implementation in an FPGA :-) Antonio

22 years, 8 months

TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com] > Not AFAIK. It's the TK50Z-FA doesn't play nice with others. Well, then he should be fine ;) Sorry -- I have both, and haven't paid much attention to model numbers for a while. > > Well, I've never heard of anyone getting it to work with anything > > else. :) You could try it. It's the one without the ID selector, > > right? > Nope... the -FA is lacking the ID selector (device '5' always, ISTR) > and doesn't like sharing the bus with anyone else. That's interesting -- so you might be able to plug it into a MicroVAX 3100 with dual SCSI busses, for instance, if you allowed it to take the whole bus for itself. (what a waste :) > you could put -FA ROMs in it for use with a MicroVAX 2000, but I Probably would need set to ID 5. > don't know that you are required to do that. I don't own a -GA > to test the theory, just a few -FAs. I have one, but really would rather not swap the ROMs around just now. I'll eventually get a programmer and save the ROMs in everything I've got to a CD or something like that -- at that point, maybe I'll try it. > You will not enjoy depending on a TK50 as a primary backup device. > It holds 95MB *max* per tape (it streams and if there isn't any Not so bad, considering that people were "backing up" to zip disks only recently, which hold 95MB max. > data, it writes filler) and takes multiple passes to read one tape > (the head physically moves up and down to read different portions > of the tape on each pass). It is *sloooow*. Personally, I prefer Yes, that's a problem... > 1600 bpi magtape to the TK50, even though it take at least two reels > for equivalent capacity. I like them better than QIC- ... well, QIC-anything. :) If I were recommending backup for this machine, though, I'd say a cheap 4mm (DDS), or 8mm (D8) drive would be great. Forget about hardware compression, though, just to be safe. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 8 months

TK50Z-GA and MicroVax 3100/90?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Lafleur [mailto:bob_lafleur@technologist.com] > Maybe it would be easier to get a MicroVAX 2000 to hook the > TK50Z-GA to! > I bare-bones MV2000 must be fairly inexpensive, right? Anyone got any > extras?! Well, if after reading Ethan's post (which says I got my models backwards, and your drive ought to work ok...) you'd still like one, I have a few, but you'd need to be willing to pick one up, since I'm not so sure about shipping anything just now. I'm still behind on shipping things. (Sorry Owen!) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

22 years, 8 months

Amiga 4000 with Toaster

by mythtech＠mac.com

>Also keep in mind that you need time stable sources for the video >inputs. If you want to use VHS VCR's you'll be disappointed, and you'll >need a couple full fram TBC's as well. As a video professional, I'd >think twice before getting a Toaster for hobby video . . . the new >digital cameras and digital editing is far easier to implement. The draw backs aren't really going to matter after all... your initial price of $400 puts one out of my price range. I can't very well even justify it for using it for editing when I have a perfectly good firewire setup with my DV Cam and iMac that so far is doing everything I need. I would like a 2nd video deck, so I would rather put the money towards a 2nd camera. (that is why I stopped hunting for a good deal on an SVHS editing system... as much as I would love to have one some day, they are still too expensive for me to justify when I can do everything with my camera and iMac) I was kind of hoping by some miracle, the 4000 with Toaster would be almost worthless, and I could have gotten away with offering a very low price. Alas, it appears to be worth some money like I figured it was. Thanks for the info. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 8 months

Any stories of Dayton?

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

I wasn't able to go. Does anyone have any tales of great classiccmp finds? Or any other stories?

22 years, 8 months

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test-drb May 2002