> I actually would be very suprised if you could strip things
> down enough to have a 'usable' system with the core 3.3 Developer
> installed in under 100MB. Afterall, that would have to include the
> swapfile as well as user space for whatever project you were working
> on. I don't have a lot of extra stuff installed on mine, mainly just
> CAPer, and the full NS 3.3 User and Developer isntalled takes nearly
> 300MB.
It's early days for me on NeXTs, so I don't know a whole lot about the
development environment yet :-) Looking at the developer docs on channelu
I got thinking that since the libraries are already there all I *really*
need to start hacking about are the usual cc/ld/gdb tools (I could live
without make, ar, nm etc) and the includes for the APIs. In theory I
should be able to make all of these myself - I've got lots of versions
of the GNU tools source lying around, it should be easy to build 68k
versions of the ones I need, and I could cobble the includes together on
an "as needed" basis using the developer docs and example code on the net
as a starting point. Painful, but - here's the question - possible?
Al.
I went in over lunch to see what was new/old, and discovered they are
closing for inventory for a few weeks, but when they reopen in May,
they will only be open one day a week. The idea is that they will post
stuff to a web page so you can see what's worth a trip down on the single
day they do business. The guys who work there seem to think that
management
doesn't understand that stuff won't flow out as fast and they'll have
a backlog. They figure the new hours will last as long as the floor space
does.
In the meantime, they had PowerMac 6100s for $5, 7100s for $10-$15 (I left
them there; already have a 6100; just got an AV monitor from them for $5)
I also saw a couple of A-sized HP pen plotters, a bunch of free 14" VGA
monitors (probably to clear them out before inventory) and the usual
desks and IBM Selectric typewriters and $10 laser printers.
I did pick up a few things...
Tektronix 502A dual-beam scope *with* Tek tilt cart
Heath ES-600 function generator (q. 2)
DEST PC SCAN 2000 (free)
NEC Multisync 2A (free) (would have been two, but the second one let out
the magic smoke).
Apple 20MB SCSI drive (old Mac or late Apple II)
Misc Sun SCSI, video and serial cables (free - being a regular customer
has its benefits, like knowing they allow you to take a dip into the
large box of assorted cables when purchasing items (no sign above the
box); they don't require a one-to-one match-up of cables to items, so I
get a lot of Mac and Sun goodies that way. They just don't want to
price the cables or keep them with the items for sale, so they all go in
a big box if they are not attached to things).
I must have missed some SGI stuff - they had a couple of SGI keyboards on
the keyboard shelf. Their new hours are going to be a pain. Ah, well.
-ethan
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At a auction today I was able to get a IBM AS/400 Advanced 36 for $37.50
but no terminal or keyboard with it. The black case is in pretty good
shape and it powers on and gives a number code in the little reader on
the front of the case.
Got a Data General terminal model 5220 but no keyboard was it for 6.99
at a thrift.
At the auction a also got Tandy VMT monitor and IBM mono monitor both
for free.
Got a MAC (128) kb and mouse both in the designer boxes with their foam
containers. This is better good since someone jut paid over $500 for
these same type of boxes with nothing in them on eBay. I got both for
$4.98 at the thrift.
From: Carlini, Antonio <Antonio.Carlini(a)riverstonenet.com>
> My quick check of the the VT102 and VT220 manuals
> does not show "ESC /" as a recognised emulated
> VT52 sequence. The VT100 manual makes it quite
> clear how to react to random ESCape sequences.
> It is pretty silent on VT52 emulation mode. I suspect
> the VSRM is too (if we still have one in
> the office, I'll check tomorrow).
Vt100 and later were ANSI extended terminals. VT52 however
was pre ansi. The behavour for unknown escapes in vt52 were
generally no-ops or redundant decodes. The closest VT52
emulation for 80 char modes was H19 (it could not do the
132 wide and doublewidth).
> When I wrote a VT102 emulator, many moons
> ago, I know that since most VT52 escape
> sequences were of the form "ESC x" then
> I would have ignored "ESC x" for an
> unrecognised "x" and displayed
> "ABC" when fed "A ESC / BC". It seems
> that real VT terminals do not do this.
VT52 was very different from VT100 and later.
many of the VT52 sequences were both
constrained by 7bit ascii and it's very limited intelligence.
> The only way to determine whether the VT1xx
> is a faithful VT52 emulator is to see what
> a real VT52 does. (Or read the schematics,
> which I believe are online).
True, though a real VT100 in VT52 mode is safe.
Allison
From: Paul Williams <celigne(a)celigne.freeserve.co.uk>
>I think that in the case I described to Jerome, there is a difference
>between a VT52 and a later terminal in VT52 mode. The fact that the
>surmised difference is insignificant hasn't stopped me from being
>curious about it!
The difference should be small and on the more esoteric edges of the spec.
The SRM was developed after the VT100, so some things may have
exception cases but VT52 and VT100 capability in latter terminals were
based on VT52 and VT100 behavour by actual testing and also known
behavour.
>The most diligent of terminal emulator authors will fall into large
>holes left by the external specifications, so I'm doing some work to be
>as precise as I imagine the Video SRM is. Is that the document
>containing chunks of Pascal that make a reference emulator?
No, never saw Pascal code in the SRM (it's about 2 inches thick!) nor
have I seen it outside DEC. It was part of the some 203 DEC STDs
such as VAX archectecture, packaging and all manner of other things.
Allison
I've just acquired two Lear-Siegler ADM-3As and was surprised to find
that one is brown and the other is blue. As trivial as this is, I was
wondering whether any other colours were available and whether this
signifies any difference in capabilities?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Williams [mailto:celigne@celigne.freeserve.co.uk]
> I've just acquired two Lear-Siegler ADM-3As and was surprised to find
> that one is brown and the other is blue. As trivial as this is, I was
> wondering whether any other colours were available and whether this
> signifies any difference in capabilities?
I don't know, but mine is brown. If you find out about the blue one
(or the brown one) I'd like to know :)
Chris
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Amdocs - Champaign, IL
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Craft [mailto:ccraft@springsips.com]
>
>> Just a question... do they ever get AS/400 stuff? I need a
>> keyboard and some
>> cables for a 3151? terminal and the twinax to plug 'em together.
>
>This reminds me -- I have one of these IBM terminals with a twinax
>plug on it. Is there a reason it couldn't be adapted to use serial?
>
>In other words, can I use it, or do I need to wait until an AS/400
>falls into my lap? (*ouch*)
AFAIK, you'll need to wait for a broken lap... the AS/400 twinax runs at
1.5Mbit and I don't think that changes at all; besides, I thought that the
AS/400 ran EBCDIC, not ASCII, which could make for some interesting looking
login screens... ;-)
But I've only worked a little bit here-n-there on AS/400's; for all I know
I could be full of condensed milk.
HTH,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
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disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
> Allison wrote:
>
>You can use any dec terminal, set it to VT52 mode
>and then try the results. The Video SRM (dec internal)
>made the behavour a standard for all VT52/100/220/320
>and all the rest.
My quick check of the the VT102 and VT220 manuals
does not show "ESC /" as a recognised emulated
VT52 sequence. The VT100 manual makes it quite
clear how to react to random ESCape sequences.
It is pretty silent on VT52 emulation mode. I suspect
the VSRM is too (if we still have one in
the office, I'll check tomorrow).
When I wrote a VT102 emulator, many moons
ago, I know that since most VT52 escape
sequences were of the form "ESC x" then
I would have ignored "ESC x" for an
unrecognised "x" and displayed
"ABC" when fed "A ESC / BC". It seems
that real VT terminals do not do this.
The only way to determine whether the VT1xx
is a faithful VT52 emulator is to see what
a real VT52 does. (Or read the schematics,
which I believe are online).
Antonio
> >> I'm trying to build a development platform for my Imsai.
> >> I've tried various CP/M emulators but haven't found one
> >> I like yet.
> >>
> >> Has anyone sucessfully run CP/M on a PC without running
> >> under dos and/or windows?
> >
> > Without using Windows or DOS, the only CP/M you're
> > likely to run on a PC would be CP/M-86, and yes, I've
> > done it with a Zenith Z-150/151.
>
> Actually you can run CP/M emulation under Linux/FreeBSD on it.
>
> Bill
Well, he started out by saying he'd not seen an emulator he liked...
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