test-drb April 2002

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by uban＠ubanproductions.com

At 09:55 AM 4/18/02 -0400, you wrote: > >Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)update.uu.se> writes: > >> > I had no profit motive and am in no way associated with the originator >> > of the message I forwarded. (*He* undoubtedly expects to make a modest >> > profit as finder of the equipment.) >> >> Okay. So this was a probing for business. Then it also was spam. Here is my 2 cents. The original post seems pretty innocuous to me and if you read it closely, you would have figured out that the poster and the person who had the machine were two different people. The poster (in my opinion) was just trying to share a find with someone who might be interested in saving a classic from the scrap mill. I have dealt with the person/company who was making the offer to save the machine for a profit, and yes that is what companies do. This guy is paid to make money for his company. I had an email conversation with him and it would appear that they bought some of the parts from the machine for resale to their customers and this guy put some enough extra thought into it to think that there is this group of crazy collectors our there that might be interested in the machine. Yes he is probably thinking from a profit point of view, but at least he is thinking of us. There are so many of these guys that don't think of us and end up destroying old machines which would make great projects for someone on this group, that it make me ill. Further, in my mind, the endless number of worthless flaming messages which were spawned by a list members attempt at providing a pointer to an available machine is *far* worse than an infrequent piece of spam, which we ought to just ignore. Can't we all just enjoy our hobby instead of ragging on each other? --tom

22 years, 8 months

Download CD images for RSX-11 and RT-11 Freeware CDs from Tim Shoppa

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On April 17, Jerome H. Fine wrote: > So I have a question! If my MD5 values are identical to the corresponding > MD5 values in MD5SUMS, can I assume that I have received three > identical images? Yup. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "Mmmm. Big." St. Petersburg, FL -Den

22 years, 8 months

VCF Apple-1 Auction 4/19-4/21

by jimw＠agora.rdrop.com

It was written... >On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote: >> On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Tothwolf wrote: >> >> > I thought the Apple I was sold as a kit? It would be possible to >> >desolder >> > a whole board without damage to scan it, but it takes lots of time, >> > patience, and skill. >> >> I believe all of the units after the first batch of 50 delivered to >> The Byte Shop were wave soldered. I could be wrong. I have to go >> back and refresh my Apple-1 history. > > >I wasn't aware of that. Let me know what you find out. I had always heard >that nearly all of Apple I systems were sold as unassembled board kits. Well... as employee #4 of Byte Shop #4 (Portland, Oregon), and the one there who had to make various of that first batch actually do something interesting... <G> I can offer a few observations on this: As I recall, all of the Apple-1 units that came through our store were pre-assembled. I seem to recall someone asking about kits, but the 'party line' at the time was that Apple (I seem to recall the comment being attributed to Woz) considered it too difficult to assemble (without damaging it) for the 'average' customer. Keeping in mind that whoever actually bought one of the things had to figure out how to connect a (parallel) keyboard to it, plus the video and cabling for the cassette recorder. What you may have been thinking of was the occassions where Woz passed out schematics at the Homebrew Computer Club meetings for anyone who wanted to try to assemble on on their own. Just my $0.02 worth... -jim --- jimw(a)agora.rdrop.com The Computer Garage - http://www.rdrop.com/~jimw

22 years, 8 months

I AM AN IDIOT! ARGHHHHH!

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

This is sooo frustrating. I shot myself in the foot and probably betrayed some of my friends here. I was going to snipe the 8 PDP boards from eBay that included the DEUNA set for 10 bucks or so. I set my agent to the wrong auction! Now a reseller got that stuff for $5.50. A RESELLER, FOR FIVE BUCKS! I could jump under a falling VAX for that! I am sooooooo sorry if you had been standing back because you saw the bid history. I will never do that again. But then when will there ever be a DEUNA for five bucks! A reseller. Argh. -Gunther

22 years, 8 months

TTL computing

by bfranchuk＠jetnet.ab.ca

Playing aroud a bit with TTL using SSI parts, I get about 8-10 chips per bit on the average for the alu. For 16 bit computer that is about 160 chips. I would say 1/3 more for control or about 250 chips total. Does this sound right people with 16 bit TTL computers? -- Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html

22 years, 8 months

It's alive!

by mythtech＠mac.com

>We've managed to get the Apple-1 being auctioned working. We can enter >commands into the monitor and get expected responses. We're going to get >a cassette drive hooked up to it and attempt to load BASIC next. In that case... I'll raise my $25 bid to $30 + shipping, but not a penny more! (since I will cover shipping, that should outbid Toth's $35 offer earlier) Damn, I wish I could just get to play with an Apple 1 someday :-( (stewing in jealousy that Sellam is getting to resurrect this one) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 8 months

AIM-65 displays

by blacklord＠telstra.com

Hi Dick, > I'll have a look to see whether I have any ROM listings. I > thought I did, > but, well ... they say the mind's the second thing to go ... can't > rememberthe first ... > The AIM is pretty similar to the KIM-1 no ? (I may be mistaken) The KIM's ROM dissasembly is pretty freely available, I have a version that was suppied with a text file on how to build your own using current chips. Made a half hearted start at it, but currently it's gathering dust :-) cheers, Lance ---------------- Powered by telstra.com

22 years, 8 months

One-upsmanship (was: Secret Mac

by mythtech＠mac.com

>computer cool factor >We need a unit or label for this number. Calculate your CCF at the VCF -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

22 years, 8 months

"Windows V1.0"

by Innfogra＠aol.com

In a message dated 4/17/02 1:30:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time, healyzh(a)aracnet.com writes: > > Consequently, looking back at the calendar, I think that > > it's far more likely that this is Windows 2.0 or 2.1. > > It's not much help, but the first Z248 that we received had MS-DOS 3.x and > Windows 1.0x floppies included with it. > > I've never seen a copy of Windows 2.x, however, oddly enough I recently > found a shrink-wrapped copy of Windows 1.0 in the trash! > One of the collectors I have been corresponding with has a copy of Heath Zenith Windows 2.1 and it is marked on the spine of the Box. Mine has no version at all. Mine also runs on MS-DOS 2.0. There is another addendum page that indicates how to configure windows with MS-DOS 3.1. There is no mention of MS-DOS 3.3 at all. I was hoping someone had a Heath Zenith catalog from that era, 1985-1986. Thanks for the help. Paxton Astoria, OR

22 years, 8 months

VCF Apple-1 Auction 4/19-4/21

by dwightk.elvey＠amd.com

>X-Server-Uuid: e4c4d26a-1188-11d5-b029-00508be35655 >X-Authentication-Warning: ns2.ezwind.net: majordom set sender to owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org using -f >Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:17:43 -0500 (CDT) >From: Tothwolf <tothwolf(a)concentric.net> >X-X-Sender: <tothwolf(a)strudel.invalid.domain> >To: "Classic Computer" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Subject: Re: VCF Apple-1 Auction 4/19-4/21 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-WSS-ID: 10A3210192468-01-02 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote: >> On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Tothwolf wrote: > >> If someone has an x-ray machine handy, perhaps we could do it that >> way. > >An x-ray won't work very well. The resolution isn't high enough, and the >image will look fuzzy. It also won't work at all for double sided boards, >which I think are what the Apple I uses. > >-Toth > > Hi That depends on the xray machine you are talking about. The ones we use in industry can see a single unsoldered pin on one of those C4 packages. I'm sure that is more than enough resolution for a PC board. Dwight

22 years, 8 months

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test-drb April 2002