test-drb March 2002

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 13, 9:46, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > At one of my usual haunts, while I was picking up a couple of $10 SPARC > IPXs (with lotsa RAM and interesting Sbus cards) and an HP LJIIIsi (also > $10), I ran across an unpriced Indigo. This means that it will be > available for sale next week. The trick... it's been gutted. There's > no RAM, no drives, I think no sleds, and several conspicuous empty > sockets on the motherboard. There _are_ two large PCBs inside, and the > PSU is present (but no guarantees it's working). > > Is this thing even worth $10? Depends on what's missing. If there are empty spaces for IC's on the CPU board, probably not unless the skins are in good condition and you want them to replace a scratched set. The special SGI SIMMs (I'm assuming this is an R3000 Indigo) aren't that hard to find. If it's the graphics board that's missing ICs, it may be OK -- depending on which graphics board it is. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

24 years, 1 month

OT: name that computer

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Sridhar the POWERful wrote: > > The 50's was the time of the closeted sexual deviant. Closeted sexual > > deviants ran this country. > > Is it different now? I think he had drag queens like Herbert J. Hoover in mind... a psycho who also kept a noted heroin addict supplied with their fix, the addict in question being the doctor of our beloved Sen. Joseph McCarthy... the things you learn once they're dead in the grave... just wait till Reagan's been gone a while... -dq

24 years, 1 month

NetBSD Boot tape for MVII

by Gary.Messick＠itt.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 1:04 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: NetBSD Boot tape for MVII > > <snip> > > It's possible to load a bootstrap and hang when the real > software kicks > in. I am debugging an H-11 that has an H-27 floppy interface > that won't > work in the chain but will let me load the bootstrap if I put > it behind > everything else with a gap (it seems to not let go of some Qbus signal > and when it's properly installed, I never get an ODT prompt). > > I don't know the particulars of the box you have, but BA23s have 3 CD > slots, not 4. > > -ethan Ethan, I figured you had already fixed your H-11, H-27 problem. I did some digging, and I do have the schematics (C size drawing) and the operation manual w/the theory of operation section. Contact me off-list and I'll get a copy to you. Gary ************************************ If this email is not intended for you, or you are not responsible for the delivery of this message to the addressee, please note that this message may contain ITT Privileged/Proprietary Information. In such a case, you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. You should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Information contained in this message that does not relate to the business of ITT is neither endorsed by nor attributable to ITT. ************************************

24 years, 1 month

Semi-OT: PMac 6100 DOS

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

Chris, Thanks for all the suggestions! See below... --- Chris wrote: >The PC side _seems_ to be booting up ok (I can hear faint Windows system >beeps, and the PC Setup control panel reports that "PC is running") but I >can't switch over. When I hit "switch to PC" the Mac's screen goes dimmer, >the cursor disappears, and the PC Clipboard becomes the active app, but >nothing else happens after a good 5 minutes of waiting. In the PC Setup control panel, change the C: drive to a new drive file, make it an brand new drive file, with nothing in it (just make a 5mb or something). Then boot the PC. You should get a BIOS boot screen, and eventually see a typical PC error of non system disk, replace and press a key. ---------- Okay, did that. Same result. ---------- If you don't get that far, then the card isn't working properly. At that point, I would verify it is installed correctly (I'm not sure if that model card needed a video dongle or not... the Q610 "Houdini" card does, and so does the later 586 and Pentium card, although the latter can use an internal video cable in place of the normal external one.) ---------- I took the whole thing out and removed/reseated everything. There was one small daughterboard, a long skinny board in the PCI slot (?) and a RAM simm. The only dongles I saw were sound and CD-ROM which I also unplugged and re-plugged. Didn't see any huge scorchmarks or anything like that. ;) Question: There is a three-row, 26-pin port on the PC card, for some external device to plug in to. What is this? ---------- After verifying the card is installed ok (fully seated, CD Audio cable is connected, and video dongle connected if needed), and it still doesn't boot... reinstall the Mac PC Setup software. You want version 1.5. You can get it here <http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html#doswin> v1.0.2 is for the Q610 card, v1.5 is for the Q630/PM6100 card, and v1.6.4 is for the later 586/Pentium cards. ---------- Awesome, thanks for the link! Why is the corresponding Apple FTP site's folder empty then? Grrr. Made me think they'd pulled their whole software archive except for patches. Anyway I just finished installing that, but result is the same regardless of which drive image I use. One thing I noticed, dunno if it's at all relevant, but when I try to click the popup menu for "Sharing" (this is in the PC Setup panel) it gives me the following error message: "No PC drive letters available. Make sure that "MACSHARE" has been started on the PC and "LASTDRIVE" is set to an appropriate value in your "CONFIG.SYS"." I assume this is for file sharing Mac data to the PC side, so at the moment I don't need to care about that problem...right? ---------- If is STILL doesn't boot... check to see if a ram chip is installed directly on the DOS card. If so, remove it. The cards are very picky over using the right chip. Remove an installed one, and then tell the PC Setup you want to share ram with the Mac (it should default to that automatically when it doesn't detect a chip installed). ---------- Okay, I pulled the RAM chip off. I selected the maximum amount of Mac RAM to share (32 MB) and rebooted to make that take effect. Same problem. ---------- If it STILL doesn't boot... let me know, we'll go from there. But by now, it should at least boot to the BIOS screen. Once you get to the BIOS screen, you can then either retry the old drive file, or just start from scratch and install DOS or Windows. The card you have officially supports up to Win95. ----------- What's weird is that when I try to switch to PC, I can hear DOS beeps, and I think I am in DOS because if I blindly type dir <return>, I can hear the hard drive clicking away in response. So it appears to be a video thing...? Previous owner said that she's never used a different video cable, port, monitor, etc. before and it worked fine til recently. ?? Maybe the card, or the video portion of the card, is in fact fried. Sigh. ----------- You should NOT have the drive file open and mounted on the Mac when you are trying to boot from the PC. And after changing drive files in the PC Setup control panel, you will need to reboot the PC (but not the Mac). --- end of quote --- Definitely do not have it mounted when I try this switch. Thanks again for all the help...any other ideas? -- MB

24 years, 1 month

HP-97 Standard Pac Manual

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

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24 years, 1 month

NetBSD Boot tape for MVII

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Yes, I Read The Freaking Manual. I Googled. I went so far as to peruse the ClassicCmp mailing list archives. *Those* people are *strange*! I think the DEQNA board is dead, even before I started moving things around on the QBus. (Yes, there'll be Yet Another "Broke My QBus" Post) I haven't ever been able to get it even to light up the AUI terminator. Next choice is to boot NetBSD off the TK50. I have NetBSD running on the VS4000/60 and a TK50Z-GA that works. I can tar to /dev/rst0 and then retrieve the archive all day long. When my boot tape wouldn't boot on the MV, I wondered if its TK50 is toast, so I've been trying to boot the 4000 to test the tape. All the sources say to: # dd if=boot.fs of=/dev/nrst0 # mt -f /dev/nrst0 rewoffl Then to boot from the tape: >>> b/3 MKA500 ## on the VS4000 The tape saws around for a minute or so, shows; MKA500 then rewinds and aborts to console >>> Trying it on the MVII gets essentially the same results. No meaningful error message, just the HALT instruction. A clue would be greatly appreciated. Doc

24 years, 1 month

New hard drive in an Indigo2

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] > I believe the Indigo2 was introduced in mid to late 1994. Oops, I thought it was 92. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years, 1 month

Suptnik and RT-11

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Hi, All > > What is RT-11 most like? This one I cannot answer... > Will it run on Bob Suptnik's emulator? Yes, two versions are supplied on Bob's website. -dq

24 years, 1 month

Interesting places in Chicago area?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

American Science and Surplus does have some interesting things, but not too much in the way of electronics, and the prices are fairly high. I've never been to the store in Geneva, but if you go out to Fermi Lab, Geneva is not too far from Batavia, where Fermi is located. George, if you are interested, I can send you the email of someone at Fermi who is on the HPLX (HP Plamtop computer) mailing list. Used to be that Fermi was pretty open (with the Illinois Prairie Path running right through it), but after 9/11, they tightened up. I'm not sure if it has relaxed again. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Dan Veeneman [mailto:dan@ekoan.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:12 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Interesting places in Chicago area? I'd also be interested in hearing about places in the Chicago area, even as far out as Rockford and Milwaukee. Thrift shops in Chicagoland just aren't the same as the ones here in the Washington D.C. area, but for general hardware stuff an interesting chain to visit there is American Science and Surplus. I've been to the Chicago and Geneva stores in years past, and there's always something unusual or interesting -- but not necessarily computer-related. They have a website now, http://www.sciplus.com . Cheers, Dan http://www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html

24 years, 1 month

Museum of Science and Industry (was: Interesting places in Ch icago area?)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

IIRC, they were in a great exhibit done by IBM -- not just computers, but math, statistics and probability also. I never tired of seeing it. Too bad that exhibit got pulled a number of years ago. Most of the exhibits have corporate sponsors, which often means they have the content and intellectual level of your average TV commercial. There is a new exibit on petroleum that includes two sections with arcade games (car racing and skiing). They are straight, unmodified arcade games. How they relate to petroleum one can only guess -- OK cars use gas, but what a waste of floor space. There are some good exhibits. The one on imaging is about 5 years old and makes good use of computer technology (SGI and Macs, IIRC). They also have one of the Burlington Zyphir trains (1930's stainless steel streamlined diesel). The Navy exhibit is interesing also. The Coal mine is still there, and has been updated. And the model railroad is still there -- a big O-gauge layout sponsored by Santa Fe. It is "computer controlled" and might by on-topic. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Jim Battle [mailto:frustum@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:56 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Museum of Science and Industry (was: Interesting places in Chicago area?) <snip> It was quite influential in my life path. Who knows, maybe I would have turned out the same, but besides all the cool off-topic stuff displayed there, two of the exhibits I still recall and are more on topic as they relate to computers. One exhibit was a little display about the size of a podium. It had an exposed PC board on top with heavy gauge copper in an odd pattern. A metal "pen" was used to draw a digit from 0 to 9, and based on which traces you touched and the sequence you touched them in, it would display what digit you had written. On the front was the schematic of the thing, containing many dozens of transistors. Was it the first palm pilot? This was probably around 1974 or so. The other display I recall vividly was the tic-tac-toe machine implemented as a clacking relay computer. You could see the relays activating behind the plexiglass. <snip> I visited there about five years ago and it didn't hold the same appeal. I don't know if it was just that I had matured and the wonder of the world has been lost, or if the displays just have a different flavor now that doesn't appeal to me. Ah, memories. ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

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test-drb March 2002