test-drb November 2002

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by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 2, 23:12, Erik S. Klein wrote: > I reworked my VCF 5 pictures and added descriptions, many of which are > undoubtedly wrong. There aren't any new pictures since the last > posting, but if there are any corrections or additions to my > descriptions I'd be happy to have them and will fix the site as quickly > as I am able. > > The new stuff is at www.vintage-computer.com/vcf5.html Nice pictures! I was especially interested to see the IBM 5100, as I've not seen one of those for nearly two decades! I enjoyed the rest of your site, too. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 1 month

DEC Rainbow

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

Let me check on diskspace and I may have room to have them here on my server :) At 04:59 AM 11/2/02 -0800, you wrote: > >I need to see if I still have the "Dec Rainbow Technical manual" still > >floating around and get the bloody thing scanned into PDF's or >something.... > >I do have that manual and it is already scanned, along with a bunch >of other Rainbow manuals (various printsets, service manual etc.). >If someone has an ftp site where they can be uploaded, let me know ... > >Antonio

22 years, 1 month

OT: Best programming suite recommendations.

by lgwalker＠mts.net

From: "Lawrence Walker" <lgwalker(a)mts.net> To: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com>, cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Date sent: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:01:05 -0600 Subject: Re: OT: Best programming suite recommendations. Send reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net Priority: normal As you said in another post,(to paraphrase) I was about to retort but I've complained on the limit lately. It's been a constant anoyance but at least he's getting a bit more coherent. Lawrence PS Yeah, yeah ,I'll get that Atari ST Mac emulator program disks off to you. As the Jamaicans say "Soon come". Lawrence > On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, John Allain wrote: > > > +AD4- I would guess that what makes a particular language good, > > +AD4- is how well adapted it is to what you are trying to do. > > > > My preferences are: Networking, 2D+ACY-3D Graphics, synthetic > > data structures, file ops, GUI's, in that order. > > > > +AD4- What makes a good IDE might depend more on how big the > > +AD4- project is. > > > > I've done a couple of over 10Kline systems+ACo-. > > EG: OpenDX http://linux.tucows.com/mmedia/preview/9436.html > > > > John A. > > +ACo- +ACI-Data Explorer, from the IBM +AF8-Deep Computing Institute+AF8AIg- > > http://oss.software.ibm.com/developer/opensource/osscommitment.html > > Wish they had used that name while we were still there. > > John, > > I can never quite get used to reading your messages with these ridiculous > escape codes spread throughout. This has been the case pretty much since you > first signed on to this mailing list. > > See above. > > I've tried to tolerate it (and have strained to make sense of what is > going on with your messages) but I have to object finally. It seems > special punctuation characters (brackets, apostrophes, quote marks) are > being escaped in some wacky fashion. > > What the hell is going on with your mail sender? > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * > lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com ------- End of forwarded message ------- lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com

22 years, 1 month

Rainbow docs

by lgwalker＠mts.net

From: "Lawrence Walker" <lgwalker(a)mts.net> To: Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)update.uu.se>, cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Date sent: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:01:04 -0600 Subject: Re: Rainbow docs Send reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net Priority: normal Yes,Yes,Yes, Please ? Lawrence > On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 "Antonio Carlini" <Antonio.Carlini(a)riverstonenet.com> > wrote: > > > I do have that manual and it is already scanned, along with a bunch > > of other Rainbow manuals (various printsets, service manual etc.). > > If someone has an ftp site where they can be uploaded, let me know ... > > How about ftp.update.uu.se? > > Put it in incoming, and I'll move it to rainbow/doc > > Johnny > > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus > || on a psychedelic trip > email: bqt(a)update.uu.se || Reading murder books > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol > lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com ------- End of forwarded message ------- lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com

22 years, 1 month

OT: Best programming suite recommendations.

by lgwalker＠mts.net

From: "Lawrence Walker" <lgwalker(a)mts.net> To: "Robert Wittig" <rwittig(a)chicago.us.mensa.org> Date sent: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 18:01:05 -0600 Subject: Re: OT: Best programming suite recommendations. Send reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net Priority: normal I haven't used tag lines for years really, since the BBS days, but I do admire some of the better ones and have on occasion used them when I am particularly incensed politically. I like this one which reminds me of something I remember attributed to Voltaire(wrongly I believe). "Lord give me the strength to contemplate my own true image without disgust". Not an especially good tag but a good moral graduent. Lawrence > -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/ > to master others is nothing. > to master yourself is something. > . lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com ------- End of forwarded message ------- lgwalker(a)mts.net bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com

22 years, 1 month

VCF 5 pictures redone

by classiccmp＠vintage-computer.com

I reworked my VCF 5 pictures and added descriptions, many of which are undoubtedly wrong. There aren't any new pictures since the last posting, but if there are any corrections or additions to my descriptions I'd be happy to have them and will fix the site as quickly as I am able. The new stuff is at www.vintage-computer.com/vcf5.html Thanks! Erik

22 years, 1 month

Classic kitchen computer products?

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >Is there an Apple II emulator for any PDA? Seems like a winning > >combination. > > > > II in a Mac ran on the mac plus, and palms are sort of 68ks, so I > think it could be done. Haven't seen it yet, wife is still glued to > her IIIx and I don't get to play with it until I buy it something > better. I know there are a couple for Windows CE devices. I tried them once, but can't remember where I downloaded them. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

22 years, 1 month

IBM 5100 (fwd)

by foo＠siconic.com

Here's the reply I got: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:55:54 -0400 From: Sorcipit <sorcipit(a)csportneuf.qc.ca> To: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> Subject: Re: IBM 5100 I already have an offer of $ 1,000 USD plus shipping on that system. Im of course considering all offer on the 5100. Thx. -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

22 years, 1 month

Apple /// Profile Cable

by classiccmp＠vintage-computer.com

Does anyone know what the cable pin-out is for an Apple /// Profile card to the Profile drive? I've got both the card and the drive but no cable and I'd prefer not to guess wrong on the cable being straight through. Google didn't help, although I may have been a search weenie. Thanks in advance! Erik S. Klein www.vintage-computer.com <http://www.vintage-computer.com/>

22 years, 1 month

UTF-7 (was Re: OT: Best programming suite recommendations)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 2, 15:36, Robert Wittig wrote: > > I'm not sure how one disables the annoying non-standard escape sequences > > used by Microsoft's mail clients. ISTR someone else having this same > > problem several months ago. Er, yes, IIRC it was the same person :-) > That was my text, being back-quoted by John, that had the weird escape codes. Is > the problem something that is being generated by John's backquote, or am I the > culprit? No, it's John's mail client. It's not just the quotes or whatever is being used to indent the quoted text. It's anything that isn't flat 7-bit ASCII, with some characters reserved to allow encoding. For example, the line > +ACo- +ACI-Data Explorer, from the IBM +AF8-Deep Computing Institute+AF8AIg- contains 4 different escape sequences, one of which is 8 characters long! UTF-7 is a coding system designed to handle Unicode (which is normally 16-bit or 20-bit) by using escape sequences to encode non-ASCII characters in a way similar to the scheme base64 uses for whole chunks, and intended only for use on 7-bit systems that can't handle 8-bit data. > OE 5 has several choices for indent on replies... I am using '> '. If John is > using ': ' or '| ', (the other 2 choices), they might be getting read as > something else by your MUA, and changing the indent might eliminate the problem. > What MUA's are you guys running? The text appears with the wierd escape sequences on loads of MUAs, in fact probably most of them. Very few MUAs support UTF-7, because it has inefficient compression, there are other encodings that are more versatile, it's more awkward than most to program, and it's a one-to-many transform (for any given string, there are several possible encodings) so it produces unsearchable text. And since it came along later than the other common encoding schemes, and doesn't do anything the others can't, I suppose there was an element of "why bother?" If you look up Unicode and UTF-8, you'll find dozens of common applications that support it (and UTF-8 is the accepted standard for a whole load of things defined in RFCs, as well as the mail internationalization report >from the IMC) but the only application I know of that definitely handles UTF-7 is Outlook. Quote from the IMC report: "Fortunately, very few vendors implemented UTF-7, and its use is strongly discouraged in Internet mail." The solution is to turn off the UTF-7 character set, use ISO-8859-1 or UTF-8 or something else that's commonly accepted, and then use a standard content-transfer encoding, like quoted-printable or base64 if you have to make it 7-bit-safe. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

22 years, 1 month

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test-drb November 2002