January 2002 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Cameron Kaiser [mailto:spectre@stockholm.ptloma.edu] > > > Now where all the female programer types when you want them? :) > > Very difficult to find. > So what does that make Megan and Allison? :-P @@R@RE!!@!@!@! I guess... Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Tall Trees Jlaser documentation needed

by mercuriusint＠earthlink.net

I need documentation for a Tall Trees Jlaser-3 (with JRAM AT3-P) and Jlaser-5 board. I need to change some on-board switches. Can anyone help? Ron Pierce -- Ron Pierce Mercurius International (831) 659-5622 http://www.termslink.com/

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Fate of the Astronautics ZS-1 systems

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Jon Auringer > > Hello all, > ...... > After negotiating with my company (Astronautics) for the release of the > four remaining complete systems that sit at our Technology Center in > Madison Wisconsin, we were able to secure one of the machines for the > Rhode Island Computer Museum. The company is not the least bit > interested in preserving the other three. They are destined to be > scrapped. We tried. :( ...... ======== That's a bummer. Can you at least rip parts out of them, for spares for the R.I.C.M? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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OT? Yahoo Free Listing Day

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > > Now where all the female programer types when you want them? :) > I Seem To Recall, from a thread last month, that Chris has > scored the > only known prototype.... Heh. Maybe with enough tinkering you could make a workable one out of a stock model? I would offer detailed technical information, but I'm not sure how long I can get her to hold leads from an oscilloscope. :) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Bell & Howell Apple II update

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > In the UK it's even used on reasonoable-grade consumer video > equipment. > Are you saying it's not common in the States? Not so much. All consumer equipment that I've seen only has "RCA" plugs. I guess it's kind of common on ethernet adaptors ;) Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Fate of the Astronautics ZS-1 systems

by auringer＠tds.net

Hello all, I had promised to post an update when the fate of the ZS-1 systems had been decided. Here it is. After negotiating with my company (Astronautics) for the release of the four remaining complete systems that sit at our Technology Center in Madison Wisconsin, we were able to secure one of the machines for the Rhode Island Computer Museum. The company is not the least bit interested in preserving the other three. They are destined to be scrapped. We tried. :( Merle Peirce will be in Madison this saturday, January 26th, to pick up the machine and _lots_ of spares for RICM. We will also be moving the DEC VAX 11/780 systems and other equipment at that time. If you are in the area and would like to lend a hand, please let me know. I am sure that we will be able to find a few souvenirs that will make it worthwhile. Merle plans to be at Astronautics around 9am saturday. Thankfully, the weather forecast calls for unseasonably warm temperatures this weekend (lower 40's). Again, please let me know if you plan to come. Thanks, Jon Jon Auringer auringer(a)tds.net P.S. To anyone who I may have failed to reply to personally, I apologize. The flood of e-mail that was generated by my posts about the ZS systems and the 11/780s was overwhelming. Between this, preparing to move our facility, and the possibility of pending unemployment, I have been having trouble keeping all of the balls in the air.

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Looking for a boot disk for OS/9 for a CoCo 3

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Chomko [mailto:vze2wsvr@verizon.net] > Checked on eBay, none available. Anyone have such a thing? Original > preferred but will accept > a permanent offsite backup as well. Let me know how much you want for > it. It's been a while, but I seem to remember that there was some of OS/9 on Tandy's "deskmate" disk. It would even give you a prompt if you interrupted it during boot. :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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%20Ebay:%20Stuff%20&%20%20Help%20needed%20with%20Osborne%201

by DolliemaeD＠aol.com

hi hope you can help me i need to know where to go to find out how much my items cost on the auction

23 years, 6 months

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Apple II boards

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Lawrence LeMay [mailto:lemay@cs.umn.edu] > Thats starting to sound a bit like white-coat syndrome. These > computers > are not rare artifacts to be hidden away behind glass walls, > only to be > touched by the neophites in white lab coats, you know. Go ahead and > experiment, heck throw the completely wrong hardware in and cause a > major short circuit! And in so doing, know that you can Well, I'd _rather_ not do that. :) It seems kind of a waste when you could do things right and the world could have one more functional machine. > always get another > apple ][+ or 3 for about $5 (if not for free, heaven knows i > keep getting > offered the things...) I hope that they remain that common into the foreseeable future. > Cmon, what could possibly be less valuable than an Apple ][+? > A C64 perhaps... Possibly, with an IBM peesee XT generally coming in as less valuable than that. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Apple II boards

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/23/02 8:53:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, edick(a)idcomm.com writes: << The things take up lots of valuable space, yet aren't of much value if you don't learn what you can. You can learn a few things from an Apple-era computer, but not if you don't pay attention. Just getting a bunch of boards and trying to run them without knowing what's going on is a sure way to waste a bunch of space and time, and produce no useful knowledge. >> I seriously doubt you can learn any less or more than any other computer of the time. Using any computer will teach you basic concepts that one needs to know provided one pays attention. old computers, old cars and sundry items www.nothingtodo.org

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Here I Am

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 23, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote: > Yeah? Well, *my* Oklahoma personalized license plate says "FreeBSD" (for > real). Top that! :-) You, sir, are a GEEK! ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Security bits

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 22, 9:37, Tothwolf wrote: > On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Tony Duell wrote: > > > There are some security screws it doesn't cover. Most notably, 'System > > Zero', which is commonly used in electronic and computer equipment. I've > > found modems assembled with those, for what reason nobody seems to know... > > What do these look like? Are they the ones with a raised line across the > head of the screw? They look like a Torx screw head turned inside out. Imagine something between a pan head and a round head (ie slightly domed) with six small notches in the edge. The sides are sloping/curved and they're usually hardened, and the edges of the notches are slightly rounded off so you can't get a grip with pliers. There's a picture at http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman/zeroscrew.jpg -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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OT? Apple Stylewriter problems (PS progress)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, Potentially useful info for the list: 1) Stylewriter power supply uses zero-screws (or whatever you call them). 2) Stylewriter PS has a seperate fuse in the - leg of the output, and it's easy to desolder. The long version: Sat down with murder in my eye to work on the power supply. Pete Turnbull wrote (on another thread) >They look like a Torx screw head turned inside out. Imagine something >between a pan head and a round head (ie slightly domed) with six small >notches in the edge. The sides are sloping/curved and they're usually >hardened, and the edges of the notches are slightly rounded off so you >can't get a grip with pliers. There's a picture at >http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman/zeroscrew.jpg A perfect description of the three fasteners holding the case together - as I realized once I had them out in the light of day. Unfortunately I *got* them out in the light of day by trying to pop them loose after heating with a soldering iron. Instead of melting the studs the threads were threaded into, I melted the barrels of the recesses the screw heads were in. Things Got Smelly, the case creaked apart, and the recess barrels were left with the studs, screws still firmly in place. However, at that point, I was able to grab the severed barrels, squeeze with pliers until the walls of the barrel gripped the zero-screw head, and twist out the zero-screw. Anybody need 3 slightly used zero-screws? *I* sure as heck don't! To put back together, I plan to find longer pan-head screws with similar diameter and thread pitch, put around the studs plastic soda straws long enough to reach up to the other side of the case, then put the pan-head screws (with washers as needed) through the holes that originally formed the tops of the recessions and through the straws into the studs. (The soda straws are to electrically isolate the screws from whatever voltages are flying around inside, because the recess barrels ain't gonna do it, now being in pieces in my trash can (with extreme prejudice).) Inside, there's a big transformer. One side has 2 leads wired to the blades that go into the wall. The other side has 3 leads going to a circuit board. The leads on either end go through diodes to the "+" output. The lead in the center (marked "C.T" - let me guess - center tap?) goes through a cylindrical glass fuse to the "-" output. There's a big capacitor (electrolytic? Black cylinder) between "+" and "-" and a few small (ceramic?) disk capacators scattered around. The fuse had shuffled off its mortal coil. I mean, even *before* I desoldered it. Which, BTW and of course, I think I did without damaging anything. This thing is so simple even I can almost understand it. Now I need a 3.7 (? something like that) Amp fuse with pigtails, and a couple screws, and who knows, maybe I'll be back in power. Definitely going to be a web-shopping day. Comments, 'attaboys, "enough-already-with-the-d*mn-printer"'s, etc., all welcome. - Mark

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Bell & Howell Apple II update

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Ok guys, I have to admit first off that I read the tags wrong on that Bell & Howell. It is -- as someone suggested -- an Apple II Plus. Also, it doesn't have the D-shaped cut-outs after all, but rather it has vertical slits with somewhat d-shaped metal inserts in them. (Ok so I didn't look too well.. :) I've cleaned it up, and it looks in good condition, with two exceptions: There is a pin broken off of the power cord :/ -- I'm going to replace it. The monitor connectors are two ethernet-looking BNC plugs (WTF!?) Can anyone tell me what's going on with these? Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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OT? Yahoo Free Listing Day

by marvin＠rain.org

This may be a bit off topic, but Yahoo is having a Free Listing Day on January 24th thus reducing their already reasonable rates :). They do have a Vintage classification and I expect to have some "stuff" there. Yahoo has the facilities in place to handle a large number of auctions, and with ebay continuing its direction towards retail, collectables need a site that *wants* them.

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Xerox 4050 & IBM PS/2 Model 80 Available

by bill_r＠inetnebr.com

The Xerox 4050 is a printer controller, but appears to be some sort of mini-computer with a Xerox logo on it; it has a floppy drive and possibly internal hard drive. If anyone knows anything else about these, info posted to this list would be appreciated. The thing is waiting for pickup by a scrapper, whose truck is currently being repaired. If you get here first, you can have it. It's about the size and weight of a chest freezer. Also available is an IBM PS/2 Model 80-386 micro-channel tower machine. Includes a micro-channel token-ring network card. Both of these items were pulled from use in the last couple of months and should be in good working order. They are available _for_local_pickup_only_ in Lincoln, Nebraska. Drop me a note quick if you want either of them before they go to the big bit-bucket in the sky! Bill Richman bill_r(a)inetnebr.com http://incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r Home of Fun with Molten Metal, technological oddities, and the original COSMAC Elf computer simulator!

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Apple II boards

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/23/02 5:54:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, lemay(a)cs.umn.edu writes: << Well, as with any other system, once you know about the "vanilla" system, you > can easily decide for yourself what additional hardware you need. The way to > make sure you never get it right is to run out and snag everything that seems > "neat" without first knowing, absolutely, what the consequence of attempting > to use it will be. > > Dick Thats starting to sound a bit like white-coat syndrome. These computers are not rare artifacts to be hidden away behind glass walls, only to be touched by the neophites in white lab coats, you know. Go ahead and experiment, heck throw the completely wrong hardware in and cause a major short circuit! And in so doing, know that you can always get another apple ][+ or 3 for about $5 (if not for free, heaven knows i keep getting offered the things...) Cmon, what could possibly be less valuable than an Apple ][+? A C64 perhaps... >> just because they are plentiful in /some/ places doesnt mean you should just abuse them for fun. Around here, I havent seen any apple // items available for years. old computers, old cars and sundry items www.nothingtodo.org

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Apple II boards

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/23/02 3:25:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, edick(a)idcomm.com writes: << If you're patient, I'm going to be disposing of the considerable assortment of Apple boards I have lying about, including a couple of II+'s and a IIe. The only things I'm likely to keep will be the PSU's. It might be well for you to learn about the Apple-][+ before running out to get various add-ons, so you get the "right" stuff as opposed to a wierd assortment of junk. >> Hopefully, you will offer these goodies here before ebaying them off. I've a huge stash of apple goodies, but always could use more. wish i could find a clock card... old computers, old cars and sundry items www.nothingtodo.org

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Digital Products PrintDirector manual ff/shipping

by lgwalker＠mts.net

I have an Owners Manual for a Digital Products PrintDirector if anyone has use for it. Free for shipping. Lawrence Reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net

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Osborne Executive and TI MicroLaser Plus free to good home, Hackensack, NJ

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

To all (especially those that are desirous enough of the subject items to drive to Hackensack, NJ), As a participant in the Computer Rescue Squad, I received this email (edited): -> Osborne Executive and a Texas Instruments MicroLaser Plus -> free to good home. Must pick up, I do not have time to ship. -> Thanks. -> Paul. -> Ph.D. I answered with a brief reply indicating that I cannot do so but surely can locate someone who can. Paul's reply to this was: -> A couple of other "Computer Rescuers" have contacted me but the logistics -> are awkward. Do you know anyone who can just stop by the house here and -> pick up some evening? -> Thanks. -> Paul. -> Ph.D. I have Paul's email address and telephone number. If you can meet the requirements of Paul's reply (i.e. 1. STOP BY HOUSE, 2. PICK UP (HACKENSACK, NJ AREA)) please contact me off-list and I will forward his contact details to you. Sorry, but because of the SPAM issues relating to email addresses on this list the last thing I want to do is post someone else's email address here without their permission. 'til later, Bill w1h0d1a0w1s0o1n(a)m0l1y0n1k.com (my valid email address does not contain any binary digits, to those of you who cannot access it in the header of this posting) http://www.swtpc.com

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OT? Yahoo Free Listing Day

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Interesting comment. I just registered another ID (I forgot I had > already registered) on Yahoo and didn't see anything out of the ordinary > or anything that threw out red flags. I just made a bid to see what > would happen, and everything worked fine. Maybe they've calmed down on the amount of data they're collecting. When I looked into it a few months ago they wanted among other things a Credit Card number. Thanks, but no thanks Yahoo. Zane

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Yahoo Vintage Computer Auctions

by marvin＠rain.org

I was just looking at the Yahoo Vintage listings, and there is some stuff there that I had only previously seen on Ebay. This is good :)! The URL is: http://list.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/23341-category-leaf.html

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Osborne Executive and TI MicroLaser Plus free to good home, Hackensack, NJ

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I have Paul's email address and telephone number. If you can meet the >requirements of >Paul's reply (i.e. 1. STOP BY HOUSE, 2. PICK UP (HACKENSACK, NJ AREA)) >please contact me >off-list and I will forward his contact details to you. First, its Hackettstown, not Hackensack (at least that is where he told ME he was... if it was Hackensack, I would have picked it up the night he emailed me, being that Hackensack is 15 minutes from me... Hackettstown is 60 minutes) Second: I already told Paul I would be happy to pick it up. Then he offered to drop it off at my place when he went to CT on Friday. I told him that would be fine, but not to make a special trip (I can't figure a way to get to me that is a route to CT without taking a good 30 minute detour). I guess I will re-email him, and clairfy that I am happy to drive to him to pick it up. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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fresh meat to the wolves

by aek＠spies.com

wll599(a)aol.com wrote: > > Greetings, I will go to the storage room to get the exact model numbers. Off > hand I know I have the 316, Varian 620i (rackmount), 2 pdp 11-05, 2 Data > General Nova 1200 (I think), 1 Computer Automation, and a HP 2114 (I think). > These were all used to test and checkout old "Linc" tape, 10 channel magnetic > tape units, from a company I worked for in the late 70 early 80's.

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Apple II boards

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Hi everybody, I have three more Apple questions Given that I'm going to be repairing that Apple II Plus soon, I find myself wondering what is the maximum amount of ram that the machine can address? I also wonder whether it would be remotely possible to "upgrade" it with the old IIGS memory board that I swapped out of my GS a while back ;) (Probably no such luck there...) Last, but not least, what are some recommended boards/peripherals for the Apple II Plus? What about the IIe? (Yep, got one of those too -- I'm sure this one really _is_ a IIe, and I'd be especially interested in knowing about the IIGS upgrade) What about the IIGS? Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Bell & Howell Apple II update

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Heh. That was my first guess too -- but I've never seen this particular >thing used on a composite video signal before. (Well, maybe the L+sync >used on b&w monitors...) I have a couple of JVC monitors with BNC composite video connectors. These are the monitors salvaged from a video editing suite... I actually saw BNC used for composite video on a fairly regular basis in the TV studios (I think I saw that more often then seeing RCA connectors) >My assumption will be (until I can check it out) that these are simply >split off of the original apple RCA plug on the mainboard, and carry the >same signal. (I hope this is the case, since it would be a simple matter >of fabricating an adaptor (for which I may have the parts...). You can buy a BNC to RCA adaptor from places like Radio Shack (or even a BNC to RCA cable... although I am not sure Rat Shack stocks those anymore... might be special order). Or, like you say, it is fairly trivial to build a custom BNC to RCA cable. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Bell & Howell Apple II update

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>(When somebody trips over the cord, it should be strong >enough to pull the entire machine off of the table.) I always loved this logic. Lets build the cable really strong, so that when someone trips on it... we save the $15 cable, but yank the $5000 computer onto the floor breaking it instead. Although, I also understand the flip side... it isn't that the cable is designed to withstand abuse, so much as designed to not fall out easily during standard use (thus rational why all the electric cords for my fire trucks use twist lock... even if it means it will knock over a $3000 light tower rather than unplug itself... the last thing you need at an emergency scene is cords randomly unplugging themselves... and the last thing a school tech person wants to deal with is 100 calls a week because the RCA plug fell out again, and the untrained teachers don't know enough to plug it back in... and things like BNC are used on pro level AV equipment for the same reason, so cables aren't always falling out when something is shifted around) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 6 months

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Bell & Howell Apple II update

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

..... there was a connector for the overhead video monitors. It was an unusual connector, with a hollow cylindrical plug a few inches long, with a pin in the center. That sounds like a MUSA connector, common in broadcasting but not in domestic equipment. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________

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Here I Am

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 23, Eric Dittman wrote: > Well, I can see that NetBSD won't be running on my main system > any time soon, since I have two CPUs. I'm surprised to hear > that NetBSD is just now supporting SMP as I thought that would > have been supported already. It took forever because most of the SMP code is machine-independent. Since most of the groundwork is now done, the folks working on different architectures only have the machine-specific stuff to do. VAX followed Alpha by a matter of a couple of weeks at most, for example. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Apple II boards

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 23, 10:50, Christopher Smith wrote: > Given that I'm going to be repairing that Apple II Plus soon, I find myself wondering what is the maximum amount of ram that the machine can address? 48K on the motherboard, plus 16K on a standard RAM card (eg Language Card) though I recall some that had 64K (not directly addressable, of course). > I also wonder whether it would be remotely possible to "upgrade" it with the old IIGS memory board that I swapped out of my GS a while back ;) (Probably no such luck there...) No. > Last, but not least, what are some recommended boards/peripherals for the Apple II Plus? What about the IIe? (Yep, got one of those too -- I'm sure this one really _is_ a IIe, and I'd be especially interested in knowing about the IIGS upgrade) What about the IIGS? I'd suggest language card, parallel printer card -- preferably one of the better ones such as a Grappler card, serial card, 80-column card, second Disk ][ card and two more drives if you want to run UCSD, hard drive controller, ... The //e takes the same cards, except that it already has 64K RAM and has no need of a language card; it also has provision for a special 80-column card in Slot 3, set back from the rest of the slots. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Security bits

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 23, 9:39, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote: > On 23 Jan 2002, R. D. Davis wrote: > > Quothe Tony Duell, from writings of Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 11:45:06PM +0000: > > > In my experience nothing will grip those other than the right tool. Even > > > the well known kludgers tool, 'Mole Grips', just spring off.... > > When all else fails, why not use a very strong epoxy to "weld" a piece > > of metal, or a bolt, screw, etc. onto the heads of these idiotic > > security screws, and then just unscrew them by putting a tool onto the > > attached piece metal, screw, bolt, etc.? Ok, it's a kludge. but it > > Why don't you just take a very small [such as dental] burr, and just cut a > slot for a screwdriver? 'Cos they're usually hardened and a dental burr will make little or no impression on it. A cutting disk works, though, when there's room to get at the screw head. It's easier to buy the right tool bit, though. And they're usually so tight that epoxy will give way before you turn it. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Here I Am

by ken＠seefried.com

Sridhar Wrote: >> Of course OpenBSD sucks in that it doesn't support >> multiprocessor systems! > >That's why you go with NetBSD. > Well...maybe. The SMP support in NetBSD is still pretty new, and still lives in an "experimental" CVS branch. While the latest snapshot kernel seems pretty reliable (./build.sh -j 2 works at least twice in a row :-), it's probably not a good thing for production use just yet. YMMV. Other than that, NetBSD is awfully useful. Ken

23 years, 6 months

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Resolved? HP 9000 800/G40 console cable

by csmith＠amdocs.com

I've found what I _think_ is the proper cable for this machine. These bits of info were buried somewhere in the HP web site. I unfortunately don't have the attributions (you can find them right now with a google search), but the general idea is: ------------------- The HP part number for the cable is A1703-63003 and the price is $43 US dollars. This info was found at http://outfield.external.hp.com/cgi-bin/spi/main.pl which is the home page for HP partsurfer, an application that allows toy to identify and order parts for many HP machines. -------------------- Pinout for standard console _cable_ (A1703-63003) is: DIN CONNECTOR FRONT VIEW DIN 25pin 2__1 3.____.2 4____3 6||5 4.____.3 ^ | 1.____.7 KEY --------------------- These were both posted in reply to a question about a different machine -- "F" class I think -- but I have checked HP's "partsurfer" site, and the cable is, indeed, used on the "G" class as well. I have contacted two resellers to see whether I can get it at a reasonable (read: not $46) price. Otherwise I will try to build it. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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New Microscope Eyepiece Video Camera

by tomtot＠charter.net

Tottleben Scientific Company, Inc. Dear Microscopist: Every once in awhile a new product comes along in the world of microscopy that is truly worthy of 'sounding the horn'. We believe this is one of those times so......here it is.... our new "Eyepiece Video Camera"! It is the very first video camera designed especially to be used on your microscope's binocular. How about that? Now, among us microscope nerds that IS exciting news. About the size of a microscope eyepiece, this ingenious analog camera is easily put into use by removing an eyepiece from your microscope and replacing it with the camera. It is truly as easy as that. It is no longer an absolute must for you to have a "trinocular" microscope to perform video microscopy so this camera will work on any monocular, binocular, or even a trinocular microscope. Now you can see your microscopic images on any tv or, capture and store images on any computer with an additional capture board (a must for emailing images). Eyepiece Video Camera http://www.tscmicroscopes.com How much would a camera that offers this much convenience and capability cost you are undoubtedly asking? And the answer is.....only $245 plus s/h/ins. If you plan on capturing images to your computer you will need a video capture board. We have one available with software for $99.50. (You might want to check your computer to see if you already have one because many of the new computers sold today already have them installed.) Both items can be ordered on-line right on our site or by calling our office. Name Brand Used Microscopes http://www.tscmicroscopes.com In addition we have an abundance of name brand used microscopes like Zeiss, Leitz, Leica, Olympus, and Nikon. We also have used objectives, eyepieces, cameras, and many other microscope accessories for many name brand scopes so please email us or call our office for that 'hard to find' item - we just might have what you have been looking for! Please take a few moments to visit our site for more information and to register for our Free Microscope Drawing (no purchase required) and to receive information on our latest and greatest products like name brand 'used microscopes'. We are committed to providing you the latest products available for online purchase, and as always, outstanding personal service. If you have any questions about our new product offering, please do not hesitate to contact us. Sincerely, Tom Tottleben Tottleben Scientific Company, Inc. ------------------------------------------------ email: tomtot(a)charter.net voice: 618 656 9008/fax 618 656 9599 web: http://www.tscmicroscopes.com ------------------------------------------------ This email has been sent to classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org at your request, by Tottleben Scientific Company. Visit our Subscription Center to edit your interests or unsubscribe. http://ccprod.roving.com/roving/d.jsp?p=oo&m=tnjhjce6&ea=classiccmp@classic… View our privacy policy: http://ccprod.roving.com/roving/CCPrivacyPolicy.jsp Powered by Constant Contact(R) www.constantcontact.com

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Wire Recorder

by Penna2＠aol.com

Dear Sir I also have a minifon unfortunately in bits. I would like to restore it and am trying to obtain as much info. on it as possible. I wondered weather you might be able to help. I also have a 1942 Armour research recorder which I have just finished the restoration. It has a wire reel with some interesting recordings on it.Unfortunatly also a few breaks and I have not yet found a way of splicing wire! I can see why they went to tape. Hope to hear from you. Yours sincerely John Penna

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Here I Am

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

> From: Zane H. Healy > > > b) When I got back I discovered some little punk assed bitch had hacked > > into my server and it had to be taken off the local network where it > sits > > for security reasons. > > This sucks!!! Something you might want to consider is using OpenBSD for > your server. I've been using Linux for over 10 years now, and while I > think > it's a pretty good desktop OS, and OK as a server, if I want a stable > secure > server I'll use OpenBSD! Of course OpenBSD sucks in that it doesn't > support > multiprocessor systems! > > Oh, and yes, I realize you're probably not in the mood for someone > suggesting you switch to a different OS. > > > --- IIRC, NetBSD does support multiple processors, at least on some platforms... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Apple IIc+

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Speaking of VAXen...I've just aquired a DELQA with the CAB >kit. What things should I check for when installing the board in a >MVII (BA23)? Check that you have no other DELQA/DEQNA in there. Otherwise you need to flick a switch. There's a DEQNA manual at: http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm and I've seen a DELQA manual somehwere too... > Do I need to install any additional software for use >under VMS 4.6? What like OpenVMS V7.2 :-) If you want to use IP you'll need a suitable version of UCX (or a 3rd party equivalent). Either you have one already or it will be tough to get one these days. My recollection is that in those days (pre-LMF) you needed a licence key tape to enable DECnet for any off-node use. Antonio

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Bell & Howell Apple II update

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/23/02 10:39:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, csmith(a)amdocs.com writes: > Ok guys, I have to admit first off that I read the tags wrong on that Bell & > Howell. It is -- as someone suggested -- an Apple II Plus. > > Also, it doesn't have the D-shaped cut-outs after all, but rather it has > vertical slits with somewhat d-shaped metal inserts in them. (Ok so I > didn't look too well.. :) > > I've cleaned it up, and it looks in good condition, with two exceptions: > > There is a pin broken off of the power cord :/ -- I'm going to replace it. > > The monitor connectors are two ethernet-looking BNC plugs (WTF!?) Can > anyone tell me what's going on with these? > > Regards, > It has been a long time, but if I recall correctly, B&H dealt mostly with schools and businesses, so you probably have some kind of A/V kit on there - 2 composite bnc outputs to run 2 monitors. -Linc. In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

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Bell & Howell Apple IIe

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Hi everybody. I've rescued a Bell & Howell Apple IIe (black, of course) just yesterday. Can anyone tell me anything about what these things were used for, what I can expect to find in the machine, etc, etc? I haven't even cleaned off the dust yet, but I vaguely recall that these were sold for some specific purpose. If so, what were they for? Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Looking for some VAX stuff...

by vance＠ikickass.org

Ok. I am looking for two VAX parts. The first is a second set of CPU boards for my VAX 8700 (to make it an 8800). The second is a DWBUA boardset with UNIBUS cardcage. This thing is a UNIBUS bridge card for a BI system, and a UNIBUS cardcage. Thanks. Peace... Sridhar

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Apple IIc+

by ghldbrd＠ccp.com

finally got a bootable disk, and my $10 wonder does work, and rather well at that. Now all I need are a 5.25" disk and a 3.5" disk drive that will work with it, and I'll be happy as a worm in a . . . well, er, Apple. Still reading about old VW's and old Ford tractors here on the list, rather than stuff more apropos to the subject. 'Nuff said about both items, now let's get back to 8 bit machines and VAXen. Gary Hildebrand

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Security bits

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

bummer, none of them are the right bit for N64 :( it looks kinda like an inverst Torx, I was told it's a "television" bit?!?! At 10:16 PM 1/22/02 -0500, you wrote: >If anyone wants to see what the Radio Shack set of security bits looks >like, I put a scan of them at > >http://orchard.washtenaw.cc.mi.us/~paul/SECBITS.JPG > >Paul R. Santa-Maria >Monroe, Michigan USA

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VAXstation newbie

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com] > Sent: 22 January 2002 17:18 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: RE: VAXstation newbie > > I have VMS 5.0 on RX50 diskettes. We had a MicroVAX-I that we bought > new at work ($10,000) and another that we bought shortly > thereafter and > upgraded to a MicroVAX-II ($17,000 for hardware and VMS > license upgrade). > We continued to receive MicroVMS and VMS distributions on floppy until > some point after 5.0, when DEC switched us to TK50 (good > thing, too... the > RX50 distro is a wad of disks). Gods; I thought installing/upgrading from TK50 was bad enough, but floppies? Eek. I remember the first time I watched an install from CD though - wow! :) That must've been around 5.4 or 5.5..... a

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Osborne 1 on EBay

by vaxman＠earthlink.net

Anybody else see it? I'm tempted, but my house is alread full of VAXen... clint

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Here I Am

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 23, Eric Dittman wrote: > > > This sucks!!! Something you might want to consider is using OpenBSD for > > > your server. I've been using Linux for over 10 years now, and while I think > > > it's a pretty good desktop OS, and OK as a server, if I want a stable secure > > > server I'll use OpenBSD! Of course OpenBSD sucks in that it doesn't support > > > multiprocessor systems! > > > > That's why you go with NetBSD. > > I seem to remember the difference between NetBSD and FreeBSD > was NetBSD's goal was to run on anything, while FreeBSD's goal > was to run on x86 systems. Has that changed? Sorta. The FreeBSD evangelists started trying to port to other architectures some time ago. Sun funded their UltraSPARC port if memory serves, because some suit at Sun had heard of FreeBSD but not NetBSD...and NetBSD would have been a MUCH better choice because it was already 64-bit clean, already had lots of relevant device support, the team had relevant architectural experience, etc etc etc...Later, the FreeBSD folks ported their stuff to Alpha. The last time I played with it, about 1.5yrs ago, it was slow and very unstable. I've always drawn the lines like this: NetBSD does things portably, and runs on buttloads of different processor architectures. FreeBSD specializes in PeeCee hardware, and all their effort is [was] focused there, so it's more featureful and has more device support on x86. So the lines are blurring, and for primarily political reasons. We don't even want to TALK about OpenBSD. The whole reason for the very existance of that OS was a petty argument between a bunch of egotists in the NetBSD core group, and OpenBSD was started out of childish spite. Reminds me of clark.net. Pardon me whilst I throw up. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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5.25in. Floppies

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 22, Doc wrote: > > > > Is it just me, or is there something not-so-subtly ironic and > > > > gratifying about a 450mHz desktop with a working 5.25 floppy drive > > > > > > I think it's amazing that a 0.45Hz system doesn't have data overrun > > > problems when reading from a floppy controller :-) > > > > He shoots, he scores! > > Umm, so, how long do I get to take flak for a typo? Until we get bored with it. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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5.25in. Floppies

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 22, Tony Duell wrote: > > Is it just me, or is there something not-so-subtly ironic and > > gratifying about a 450mHz desktop with a working 5.25 floppy drive > > I think it's amazing that a 0.45Hz system doesn't have data overrun > problems when reading from a floppy controller :-) He shoots, he scores! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Sea Container Spelunking (Terminal Junkie Part Two)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> containers. I half expected to find some ex-colleagues preserved in > aspic. "Oh, John? No, he never _really_ left. No one ever does". Aspic isn't a preservative, it's a sauce... Haven't you ever had Lark's Tongues in Aspic? ;) -dq

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PPro

by ken＠seefried.com

Once again, Wizard wrote: >Soothe... Sure, Bevis... >I was trying to see your thoughts on PPros, >keep in mind that PII and PIII are based on P6 which is PPro's >original design. Not the original design, the implimented design. Do pay attention: the PII was in most respects a reduced cost implimentation of the PPro with updated fab technology. > Also PPro boards relied on 72pin simms which is not > that great of a bandwith and capacity, Wrong...both of my PPro machines (Intel PR440 motherboards) use ECC EDO DIMMs. The IBM, Digital, HP and many other PPros used DIMMs as well. Also...once you understand computer architecture fundamentals a bit better, you'll figure out that modern processors are generally not tied to a particular memory subsytem. You can do all sorts of things to trade off between cost and speed. For example, my DEC Alpha PC64 uses 4 standard 72-pin ECC SIMMs for a 128-bit wide (+ECC) memory bus, which is in practice quite fast. And as far as capacity, 128MB 72-pin SIMMs are pretty common. Not bad capacity considering their obsolescence. > SDRAM has best density and > good bandwith, also still good cost even cost has recently risen. You actually want to compare performance and density of memory technologies that are years appart. Clearly, the DC-3 was the crappiest airplane of all time, because the 767 is so much better. > That the reason for later machines w/ PII/PIII, Xeon and it's > relatives P4 northwoods /w DDR (not the 1st generation P4), athlons. > still stands Ummm...random buzzword generator? Not even remotely intellegable. Or is it that you think it's remotely relevant to compare the PPro to chips which are 2 or 3 generations newer? D00d! The 386 b10wz compared to my P4. Duh. > Most of my scorn lies w/ > PPro's chipsets more than CPU themselves. Same w/ celeron. It is > okay but... First...what's wrong with the 440FX? Or the 450GX? Or the 450KX? Or the 440LX (also, BTW, used for your vaunted PII)? Or the Micron, Via & SiS PPro chipsets for the PPro? And the last time I checked, most motherboards supported PII, PIII & Celeron. So what exactly is wrong with the BX, etc. that is specific to the Celeron such that it earns your "scorn" <snicker>? Details, that is...not nonsense like we've gotten till now. ObBigGiantClue: you can't ding a chipset for not supporting technology that didn't even exist when the chipset came out (like AGP or SDRAM). Second...make up your mind. Is it the processor you criticize (with no detail, of course, in all previous postings) or the chipset. You do realize they are different animals, right?

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DC-100 cartridge tapes wanted

by mikem＠open.com.au

Hi all, Im looking for DC-100 cartridge tapes to use with my Tek 4041 GPIB controller. I think HP also used to use them a lot? Dont care about the tape length, just the mechanical size. Anyone (preferably in Australia) have a small number surplus to requirements? Cheers. -- Mike McCauley mikem(a)open.com.au Open System Consultants Pty. Ltd Unix, Perl, Motif, C++, WWW 24 Bateman St Hampton, VIC 3188 Australia http://www.open.com.au Phone +61 3 9598-0985 Fax +61 3 9598-0955 Radiator: the most portable, flexible and configurable RADIUS server anywhere. SQL, proxy, DBM, files, LDAP, NIS+, password, NT, Emerald, Platypus, Freeside, TACACS+, PAM, external, Active Directory etc etc on Unix, Win95/8, 2000, NT, MacOS 9, MacOS X

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