January 2002 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 16, Bill Bradford wrote: > Anybody know what DEC item these are from? I got a bunch of them > (at the time, in a little foam "holder" in a box) a few months ago > with a big batch of PDP-11 stuff, but my dog got ahold of it and > they're now all over a section of the carpet in my garage.. > > http://www.mrbill.net/~mrbill/bulbs.jpg > > Are they worth picking up and saving, or should I just get out the > vaccuum? These are PDP8 front-panel bulbs...also used in RK05s and many other things. Definitely save them. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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Fwd: PDP 11/03 LSI-11 and minicomp available

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Hi, gang, I may not be on the list any more, but I still get the occasional offer of old hardware. I've got two this week that one or more of you may be interested in. Please note the attached message, and PLEASE RESPOND DIRECTLY TO THE ORIGINAL SENDER!!! I don't have the equipment, and I am in no position to act as a go-between. Here's the first one. *********** BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** On 16-Jan-02 at 08:12 Debra Voeller <debbily(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >I have a working (?) pdp 11/03, RX02-dual floppy drives, oodles of books, >installation software, original 'printsets', VT320, VT100 and LA180 >impact printer that needs a new home. >I can't get a prompt but everything powers up....could be that the monitor >is not set right. > >I tripped over your homepage and thought you might be interested. I'm in >Washington state (Pierce County). Do you know anyone interested in buying >this? *********** END FORWARDED MESSAGE *********** FWIW, her description puts her near Tacoma, WA. She did send me a .jpg of the system which I will E-mail to anyone who requests that I do so. The second item is a mid-to-late 80's vintage minicomputer in a nice three-foot high tabletop rack. It is currently at Connector World Supply just north of Seattle. It was working fine the last time it was powered on less than a year ago, and as far as I know is a freebie, available to whoever makes arrangements to pick it up first. Contact: Connie Richard, (206) 789-7525 during normal business hours. Tell her I sent you. Thanks much. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner & Head Hardware Heavy, Blue Feather Technologies -- http://www.bluefeathertech.com ARS KC7GR (Formerly WD6EOS) since 12-77 -- kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Taki Kogoma, aka Gym Z. Quirk)

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Old Cross References, etc.

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 16, 21:25, Marvin Johnston wrote: > > How important is it to keep old catalogs, cross-reference data, > component buyers guides, data books, data sheets, etc.??? I've collected > a LOT of the above from about the mid 70's and while not ready to > dispose of it yet, I am really curious what others on this list think > about keeping such stuff. As for some examples: > > RCA SK Cross Reference/Replacement Catalog > 1974 IC Master Those are definitely worth keeping, if you do repairs or build your own hardware. > 1976 C&K Switch Catalog Probably. > Printouts of instructions for CP/M utilities, programs, etc. Depends on the programs. The common ones aren't hard to find docs for on the net. If you have the software, keep the printouts. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 6 months

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ALL ChargeCard 286 MMU

by mhstein＠canada.com

With all this talk about 286 PCs, anybody interested in an ALL Chargecard hardware memory manager to turn your PS/2 50, 60, or 30/286 into a 386 (sort of)? Only fits PGA, no LCC or PLCC adapters; brand new, never tested (didn't/don't have a PGA 286 board). mike

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What DEC item are these from?

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Anybody know what DEC item these are from? I got a bunch of them (at the time, in a little foam "holder" in a box) a few months ago with a big batch of PDP-11 stuff, but my dog got ahold of it and they're now all over a section of the carpet in my garage.. http://www.mrbill.net/~mrbill/bulbs.jpg Are they worth picking up and saving, or should I just get out the vaccuum? Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

23 years, 6 months

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2 IBM PS/2s, DC/MD area

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/16/2002 11:13:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, vance(a)ikickass.org writes: << On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, bill pointon wrote: > there is also the 30 with the 80186 - also isa -- billp I know. He had made the observation that all Models 40 and below were ISA, and I was pointing out the oddball exception. The PS/2 L40SX is Microchannel. Peace... Sridhar >> well don't forget that neat little PS/2E ISA machine. I lucked out and got two cheaply in their boxes simply because the person that had them didnt understand MCA error codes. You can get lots of PS/2s cheaply that way. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

23 years, 6 months

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Stupid Apple //c question

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 1/16/2002 9:38:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, rcini(a)optonline.net writes: << I know that this is going to sound silly, but what version of DOS/ProDOS is designed to work with the //c? Or, should I ask if there was a special system disk for the //c? I have ready access to DOS 3.3, ProDOS 1.9 and 2.something. >> any of them will work. Prodos will give you a /RAM volume since the computer has 128k. -- Antique Computer Virtual Museum www.nothingtodo.org

23 years, 6 months

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Stupid Apple //c question

by rcini＠optonline.net

I know that this is going to sound silly, but what version of DOS/ProDOS is designed to work with the //c? Or, should I ask if there was a special system disk for the //c? I have ready access to DOS 3.3, ProDOS 1.9 and 2.something. Thanks. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

23 years, 6 months

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OT: Earthlink customer support

by vaxman＠earthlink.net

I got my first invoice from Earthlink yesterday for two months worth of service. The only problem was I didn't have the modem for the first two weeks of it, so I thought I shouldn't have to pay for it. I sent an EMail to Earthlink explaining the situation, and requested a credit of $12.99 for the unused portion of the month, and they replied today with the information $13.00 had been creditted to my account, and an apology for the inconvience it caused. <WOW> Clint is happy today... PS If anyone wants to switch to earthlink, mention my email address and I get a referral bonus, to be repaid in spare bits of junk er um antique computer parts :)

23 years, 6 months

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IBM R390 IPL woes...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 16, Colin Eby wrote: > I appreciate you're coveting... but the system's not > mine to give. It belongs to CSC, and was left-over > from our Y2K group. They had just stuck it in a closet > and forgotten it. As the resident UNIX guru at the > time it was on my inventory. When I moved out into the > field I claimed it as a workstation. Since nobody knew > it existed, and since it was way past the 3-year > depreciation cycle, there weren't any objections. > Unforunately CSC doesn't allow for any internal > purchasing because of liability issues. So I couldn't > buy it off them. Bummer. :-( It's cool that you get to hack on it, though! > I too would like to get a hold of a board. The system > here at the office is the 591. That's the earlier > board design. There are three different versions. I'd > love to get a hold of an MCA board like this one > because I have equivalent RS6000 hardware in my > private collection. I could easily host such a thing. > The later boards are, I believe, PCI, and in two > differnt versions. I've never seen the board appear on > auction sites -- and I'm worried that anyone who did > have one, might not know it, since it just sits in > otherwise ordinary gear. The best I can tell you is > watch out for specific models of hardware and hassle > the seller to see if they omitted the board. The > models are the PC330 and PC500 intel systems. And in > RS6000 they've used F50, 591 and a few 390 systems. I've seen a few go on eBay. They get...expensive. Painfully expensive. > >From what I've learned so far -- you won't hear much > about these systems in the open systems community. If > you go trolling through vendor and support > organization sites, stick to the mainframe folks. I'm > afraid that's as much of a brain dump as I've got on > sourcing these boards. If you do find a source, please > pass the information on. I'd love to add one to my > collection. Until then I'll have to deal with > Hercules. Not that this is a bad thing. Hercules on a > decent piece of hardware is considerably faster then a > P390 board. The one I've got is all of 72mHz clock > speed and 128MB RAM. You could build a much more > substantial LINUX based system to host a mainframe > operating system. Yes but then I'd have to deal with a PeeCee. And Linux. Thanks for the info though. :-) As I mentioned in other mail, I have a P/390 here (PCI version) that I haven't gotten running yet. The PeeCee hardware is doing what it does best...being an inconsistent pile of monkey turds. I hate PeeCees. I think I'm just gonna have to get an S/390 and deal with the electric bill. Might as well do it right. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

23 years, 6 months

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PDP-8/S

by bfranchuk＠jetnet.ab.ca

I am forwarding this interesting bit of news from the PDP-8 newsgroup that John has to say. John Curnow wrote: > > Anyone interested in buying my PDP-8/S? > > I only have the computer itself, with no peripherals. > It is complete and seems to work. I did toggle a small program into it about > ten years ago and it worked fine. It is circa 1966 and the serial number is > 127. > > Contact me by email if you are interested. I can send you some pictures and > more details. > > Cheers, > John Curnow > jcurnow(a)mondenet.com

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IBM R390 IPL woes...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 16, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > And you would have to deal with the lack of I/O and Memory bandwidth of a > PC. A P/390 will *stomp* a PC running Hercules for most of the popular > mainframe applications (eg. DB2, CICS, COBOL, etc.). What he said. :) > Or you could get yourself a PCI-based RS/6000 and not have to deal with > any of the PC bullshit. That's what I'd really like to do, but I can't afford one right now... :-( -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

23 years, 6 months

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IBM R390 IPL woes...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 16, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > > > As I mentioned in other mail, I have a P/390 here (PCI version) that I > > > haven't gotten running yet. The PeeCee hardware is doing what it does > > > best...being an inconsistent pile of monkey turds. I hate PeeCees. I > > > think I'm just gonna have to get an S/390 and deal with the electric > > > bill. Might as well do it right. > > > > Well, if you decide to dump the P/390, I would like to buy it. > > Get in line. 8-) Hey, no fair, I GOT the darned thing from you! ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

23 years, 6 months

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IBM R390 IPL woes...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 16, Eric Dittman wrote: > > As I mentioned in other mail, I have a P/390 here (PCI version) that I > > haven't gotten running yet. The PeeCee hardware is doing what it does > > best...being an inconsistent pile of monkey turds. I hate PeeCees. I > > think I'm just gonna have to get an S/390 and deal with the electric > > bill. Might as well do it right. > > Well, if you decide to dump the P/390, I would like to buy it. Ahh, thanks for the offer, but I've gotta keep this one. :-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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OT? Apple Stylewriter problems (longish)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 16, 21:12, Tony Duell wrote: > > Towers is excellent, and I'd not be without my well-thumbed copy. I > > Agreed. I also have the FET/MOSpower (==MOSFET) one, and the > op-amps/comparators one. All are very useful. I once saw the > microprocessor Towers book, but I didn't think that was very useful -- it > didn't give pinouts for the devices, for example. I only have the transistors and the micros ones. I do find the latter quite useful, as I can often look up the pinouts somewhere else, or sometimes I just want to know what type of device some chip is. > Where do you get them from, and how do you order them (given that the > titles are in Japanese)? They were either 99p or 199p each from CPC. IIRC they were on one of their special offer sheets that they send out to account customers every weekend, about 18 monthsor a couple of years ago. Probably a one-off special as I don't see them in the catalogue :-( The transistor one is about 5/8" thick, 8.3" wide x 5.8" high, and it says "'97 The Transistor Manual" on the front in Eglish, and something in Japanese underneath. On the back it has two barcodes (one EAN, the other JAN?) 978478983614 and 1923055013001, and "ISBN 4-7898-4361-0 C3055 Y1300E" (the 'Y' is actually a Yen symbol, but in deference to the ISO-8859-impaired I've approximated :-)) The other two are obviously part of the same set. > I tend to wait for a new one to come out and then hunt around for a > bookshop selling off the old ones at a much-reduced price. OK, so I'm a > little out of date, but that's not too much of a problem most of the time > (after all, much of the stuff I work on is out of date too). York isn't blessed with many of the right sort of bookshop, but that seems like a good way to get them. Mine are pretty old, around 1980. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Free: NeXT N4000A monitor

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 16, 17:25, Arlen Michaels wrote: > BTW, does anyone know if there's an internal adjustment to brighten these > up? It seems that a lot of the surviving NeXT mono screens have gone quite > dim. The cathode in the CRT used in the 4000A loses its emission ability over time. There's nothing you can do about it. The usual techniques for tube rejuvenation don't seem to work. The later 4000B monitors use a different tube which doesn't seem to suffer in the same way. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 6 months

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Stuff I want to get rid of...

by rschaefe＠gcfn.org

Got some misc stuff I don't want. A few boards pulled from an old PBX: One marked `LC 96B V 1' and `SYSTEM CONTROL', one marked `LC 78B V 1' & `PROCESSOR' (AMD 8080A CPU!) & one marked `LC 95C V 4' & `MEMORY 1' (two banks of 9x uhhhh 1484?, one bank of 8 wide ceramic 24 pin DIPs). The dang thing weighed a ton, so I couldn't get the whole chassis, but I pulled the more interesting cards. One Sperry PC 384KB memory upgrade, new in box, (handwritten) serial # 47y791. Yours for shipping from zip 43211, or it goes to the trash. ja ne! Bob

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Free: NeXT N4000A monitor

by pb＠Colorado.EDU

>BTW, does anyone know if there's an internal adjustment to brighten these >up? It seems that a lot of the surviving NeXT mono screens have gone quite >dim. > >Thanks, >Arlen Michaels I believe that there *is* a pot inside that can brighten the monitor, but I also believe that this is a common and well-known (at least on the NeXT news groups) problem with the original monitors: they eventually get very dim--more or less too dim to use. This happens, I seem to remember, after only about 5,000 hours or so. It is a function of the phosphor, it is not prevented by dimming the monitor, and it was rectified in later versions of the monitor. (The details behind all of that information escape me. I suspect you could post a request at comp.sys.next.hardware, and you'd get a reply from someone who knows it all right off the top of his or her head.) Good luck! PB Schechter

23 years, 6 months

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(Fwd) [HP3000-L] HP3000 Equipment

by sieler＠allegro.com

Hi, Seen on another list... The HP 3000/922 is a PA-RISC system, running MPE/iX. It isn't supported by the PuffinGroup port of Linux. Just the computer is about the size of a 2-drawer file cabinet. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Subject: [HP3000-L] HP3000 Equipment From: Dave Frandrup <dfrandrup(a)CO.BARRON.WI.US> Barron County has an old HP3000/922RX with one 571MB Disk Drive and three 670MB Disk Drives and 48MB memory. Two 2563 line printers and one 2564 line printer. If interested in any or all of the equipment, please call Dave Frandrup (715) 537-6314 or email davef(a)co.barron.wi.us. Dave Frandrup Dir Technology Mgmt Ctr Barron, WI 54812 ------- End of forwarded message -------Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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Free: NeXT N4000A monitor

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

Since there are a few people into the NeXT machines on here, I wanted to offer this here. I've got an extra N4000A monochrome monitor that I wish to get rid of...and it's FREE! The only problem with it is that it is dim. Otherwise it works great. I've got another N4000A and a N4001, so don't need this additional monitor. Drop me a line if interested. It's just outside of Washington D.C. I'd hate to just dispose of it if nobody wants it but I don't have room enough for all the machines I want, much less extra monitors for all of them. Jeff -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

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68010 (was Re: Mac IIci)

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Indeed, the 68000 and 68010 pushed the same amount of data onto the stack, but the 68010 produced more different types of stack-frames than the 68000. If you wanted to speed up the ATARI-ST you could replace the 68000 with an 68010, but you needed to patch TOS. Otherwise the O.S. crashed. Nice was the fact that the 68000 and the 68010 are *pin-compatible*. I know, because my StarShip first ran on a 6802, then a 68000 and then on a 68010. I had to re-write a small part of the embedded OS that handles the stack-frame processing. Tight-loops (2 instruction) are cached. [My StarShip runs on a 68020 at 30 MHz. now] - Henk. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ethan Dicks [mailto:erd_6502@yahoo.com] > Sent: dinsdag 15 januari 2002 21:20 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: 68010 (was Re: Mac IIci) > > > > --- Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> wrote: > > On Jan 14, 14:56, Bruce Robertson wrote: > > > > > Yes, I seem to remember that with the 68000, there was an > interaction > > > with the Bus Fault signal... something to do with what > state got saved > > > on the stack; I don't remember the exact details > > After a bus fault, there was not enough information on the stack to > properly do an instruction restart from where the bus-fault occured. > > > Oops, I forgot about that. You're right; the 68010 saves > slightly more > > state on the stack than the early 68000. I have a feeling > that was fixed > > in later 68000; some traps save more state than others. > > Not as far as I know... the quantity of bytes pushed on the > stack should > be constant for a given member of the 68K family. A lot of > older software > for the Amiga that did things with the stack (debugging > tools, mostly) > assumed certain things relating to the stack - it became confused on > the '010 and up because the number of bytes did change for certain > traps (like bus error). I have the details at home, not with > me, in my > Motorola books, or I'd post them here. Eventually, people learned to > ask the OS what was going on, rather than paw through the stack > indescriminantly, kinda like when people got burned on the > first Fatter > Agnus Amigas - 1Mb of CHIP and 0Mb of FAST RAM - broke all kinds of > software that asked for a buffer of FAST RAM instead of > "fastest available > RAM". > > > You can't get 68010s any more, unless you can find old > stock somewhere > > :-( > > You can still get 68000s and 68020s. > > That's not surprising. Even when they were current, we had a > hard time > getting 68010 chips for our products. We paid $45 each for them at a > time when the 68000P8 was about $3 (eventually, I found them at a > surplus/overstock electronics dealer for $10). > > At the moment, I have dozens of 68000L8s and one tube of 68010P10s. I > hope I never have to look for any more 68010s. > > -ethan > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ >

23 years, 6 months

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Alpha Naked Mini / QA country code

by cisin＠xenosoft.com

Is anybody able or willing to help them? Where does Qatar stand in current politics? (what do they want to do with that disk???) -- Fred Cisin cisin(a)xenosoft.com XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:49:20 +0300 From: MICROSERVE <microgrp(a)qatar.net.qa> To: info(a)xenosoft.com Subject: Please Help Dear Sir, I have very important 8" Floppy Disk and I need to make 20 copies Duplicate the floppy have very Old System used in Alpha LSI Naked Mini (4/90) Manufacture by Computer Automation in 1976 And this system used for Training Shooting Range Please inform me if possible for any cost? Best regards, Adnan Khanfer MICROSERE Doha - Qatar, Po Box 22904 Tel: + 974 4438779 - 4438767 Fax: + 974 4438710 Email: microgrp(a)qatar.net.qa

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IBM R390 IPL woes...

by out2sea00＠yahoo.com

Dave -- I appreciate you're coveting... but the system's not mine to give. It belongs to CSC, and was left-over >from our Y2K group. They had just stuck it in a closet and forgotten it. As the resident UNIX guru at the time it was on my inventory. When I moved out into the field I claimed it as a workstation. Since nobody knew it existed, and since it was way past the 3-year depreciation cycle, there weren't any objections. Unforunately CSC doesn't allow for any internal purchasing because of liability issues. So I couldn't buy it off them. I too would like to get a hold of a board. The system here at the office is the 591. That's the earlier board design. There are three different versions. I'd love to get a hold of an MCA board like this one because I have equivalent RS6000 hardware in my private collection. I could easily host such a thing. The later boards are, I believe, PCI, and in two differnt versions. I've never seen the board appear on auction sites -- and I'm worried that anyone who did have one, might not know it, since it just sits in otherwise ordinary gear. The best I can tell you is watch out for specific models of hardware and hassle the seller to see if they omitted the board. The models are the PC330 and PC500 intel systems. And in RS6000 they've used F50, 591 and a few 390 systems. >From what I've learned so far -- you won't hear much about these systems in the open systems community. If you go trolling through vendor and support organization sites, stick to the mainframe folks. I'm afraid that's as much of a brain dump as I've got on sourcing these boards. If you do find a source, please pass the information on. I'd love to add one to my collection. Until then I'll have to deal with Hercules. Not that this is a bad thing. Hercules on a decent piece of hardware is considerably faster then a P390 board. The one I've got is all of 72mHz clock speed and 128MB RAM. You could build a much more substantial LINUX based system to host a mainframe operating system. Best wishes, Colin Eby Senior Consultant CSC Consulting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

23 years, 6 months

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trying to identify this 68K-based board...

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Eric Chomko <vze2wsvr(a)verizon.net> wrote: > It is an ISA-16 card. It has a 68000, w/2 27128 EEPROMs, 16 1259-15 > RAM chips and Intel chips, 82586 and 8253-5. The rest looks to be > TTL, a couple of connectors and couple of crystals, 16 and 20 MHz. > It was made by Bridge Communications, USA, in 1987. And it has a > D-shell 15 pin (like a Mac video -2 rows of pins) female connector > on the back. Intel 82586 is an Ethernet controller, DA15S is the right connector for an Ethernet transceiver, and Bridge Communications got bought by 3Com in 1987. I think you've got an intelligent Ethernet interface of some sort. -Frank McConnell

23 years, 6 months

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OT? Apple Stylewriter problems (longish)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 15, 22:54, Tony Duell wrote: > > >Read that as 2SB1243 -- which is not in 'Towers International Transistor > > >Selector'. Can you check that number, please. In fact, please post all > > >markings on the original transistors. > > > > I thought I did, unless there are more markings on the side against the PC > > board? I'll look again. > > Peter has already posted some info on this transistor. My 'Towers', > normally a good reference for obscure transistors, has let me down... OK, > it's not a particularly recent edition... Towers is excellent, and I'd not be without my well-thumbed copy. I suppose I should buy a newer one some day. However, it seems like every time someone in Japan or other some other parts of the Far east designs a circuit, they design or specify a new transistor for it -- a transistor that is almost identical to some existing device, but has with some minor, often trivial, tweak. I suppose it may save some corporation a fraction of a yen on each of hundreds of thousands of units. Or perhaps the way it works is that a designer says "I need a transistor with the following parameters..." and someone makes a batch to order rather than using an existing design (for which they have no stock, because of just-in-time stocking) and the made-to-order gets a unique number, more like a batch number than a type number. That's why I bought the Japanese manuals (there's one for FETs and one for diodes as well as the transistor one), and more particularly, why I posted the main operating parameters. There are probably dozens of relatively common types that could be used as substitutes for a 2SB1243. If you need one, it's just a question of looking in your favourite sales catalogue and going down the list until you see something close enough. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 6 months

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ForSale/Trade: ADSL Modem & POTS line filter...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Help! I just moved from West Haven to Hamden, but my SNET ADSL service didn't, err, can't. SO.... I have the ADSL equipment for sale: Efficient Networks (?) SpeedStream ADSL modem, and a filter/splitter that connects at the phone block in your basement! No need for filters at each phone... I would prefer to trade for a cable modem setup, (Comcast cable service); but won't turn down cash either ;-) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

23 years, 6 months

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IBM R390 IPL woes...

by out2sea00＠yahoo.com

--- Norm Aleks <norm(a)docnorm.com> wrote: > Hi, Colin. I'm trying to get a more-current MVS to > experiment with on > Hercules. Is that what you found, or was it just > the AIX? Was it on > p390.ibm.com? Norm -- You're right about the site. It's ftp://p390.ibm.com. The site covers all the multi-platform systems, and not just the AIX variant. And what I was after were the "support files". In other words the IO channel drivers. IBM doesn't publish iso's for the Application Development MVS there. And I'm guessing mine is as old as yours -- Jan 1997. For me, as a mainframe newbie crossing over from open systems, the version's irrelevant. But good luck locating images. Thanks, Colin Eby Senior Consultant CSC Consulting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

23 years, 6 months

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Punch cards, punch & mag tapes (Toronto)

by mhstein＠usa.net

Sorry, a little overwhelmed by all this at the moment; will get back to ya. Ethan, AIM65 stuff is ready to go. John, still waiting to hear what you need for the Cromemcos. Will be off 'Net till Monday. mike ---------------Original Message----------------- Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:32:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Punch cards, punch & mag tapes (Toronto) - --- "John R. Keys Jr." <jrkeys(a)concentric.net> wrote: > Has anyone claimed these yet ? If not I will take them. I tried to. Haven't heard back. Don't know who the lucky winner is, but I suspect several people expressed interest. - -ethan

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OT: FS, Metcal hot-air soldering iron

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Uhh, what? I sell stuff on eBay all the time, and I love it dearly. I think you're thinking of someone else. I've been the [perhaps lone] person *defending* eBay through many of those flame wars. When I'm being an "outspoken critic", it's usually about "suits" and how they've ruined my industry and are working on destroying society. Or about Microsoft and their crappy products that everyone seems to think are so great. Never eBay though, because I *like* it. :-) -Dave On January 16, Ian Koller wrote: > > > > Is this going to be another one of those ridiculously > overpriced eBay items you are such a regular outspoken > critic of? Or is this one different, because it's you > selling this time? > > > > Dave McGuire wrote: > > > > Hi folks. Sorry for the off-topic crosspost, but I figure there > > might be some interest here. > > > > I have a Metcal model PHAP-01 hot-air soldering system here, in > > near-mint condition, that I'd like to sell. I figure I'd mention it > > here before going to eBay. I'm looking to get maybe $350-400 for it. > > Anyone interested? > > > > -Dave > > > > -- > > Dave McGuire > > St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf > -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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OT: FS, Metcal hot-air soldering iron

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Hi folks. Sorry for the off-topic crosspost, but I figure there might be some interest here. I have a Metcal model PHAP-01 hot-air soldering system here, in near-mint condition, that I'd like to sell. I figure I'd mention it here before going to eBay. I'm looking to get maybe $350-400 for it. Anyone interested? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

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SGI Humor

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Ok, it's not quite on topic, but It's very funny... http://www.pueyrredon.com.ar/irix.htm Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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More DELLness & TRON! :D

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>DVD-ROM drives are cheap these days, and many of them allow you to >change the region at least once. I've been tempted to buy one or two >extras and set each one to a different region... Humm... thats an idea. Get two $40 DVD-Rom drives, set one to Region 1 and one to Region 2, install them both, and just use the right one for a given movie (most video cards will decode both PAL and NTSC, and usually do a far better job than a cheap external converter will). -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Foonly F1

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>TRON was a Big project, costing over $18 million Man how times change... $18m for a movie... that might just cover Jeff Bridges pay these days. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Foonly F1

by root＠diablonet.net

In regard to the movie TRON, as someone stated earlier, I believe the work for it was indeed done on a Cray. The F1 was actually used to do the computer graphics for a Disney movie called "Flight of the Navigator". There's a really nifty site about it at the following URL. http://vhost2.zfx.com/~dave/f1.html Kind regards, Sean BTW: Pete, are those EISA cards still up for grabs? I might be willing to take them... I could always hope that NetBSD will support my Jensen more effectively in the future and that I may be able to put some of them to interesting use! -- Sean Caron http://www.diablonet.net scaron(a)engin.umich.edu root(a)diablonet.net

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More DELLness & TRON! :D

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>And.... TRON Collectors Edition on DVD was released today!! :-D The coolest >computer animation of the 80's! Did you buy it? Any good extras? I know it is a 2 disc set, but I am just curious what is on the 2nd disc... hopefully more than just the crappy "Making Of" Disney made years ago. (hosted by what's his name that played "Alan/Tron") -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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More DELLness & TRON! :D

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> MS-DOS.. Or a DOS shell in Windows 98 SE and lower (Windows XP and 2000 > *SUCK* at running programs that use graphics) IIRC, it is compilied under > 32-bit protected mode. Sure they suck, on that mangy 486... ;) Most graphics problems under Windows Xp and 2000 can ultimately be traced to poorly-written video card drivers... the NVidia and TNT, Voodoo, Banshee, and other 3D-focused cards are the worst. The developers put all their time into the 3D code, leaving the 2D code working like crap. YMMV, etc... -dq

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OT: scaffolding

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Tom Uban wrote: > > Ok, so since this group seems to be into most everything, including > > the occasional classic computer related topic, I am wondering if > > anyone has suggestions as to the source of building scaffolding > > here in the midwest (chicago) area? I need enough sections to do > > work under the eves of my two story house, which means about 30'. > > How high can you stack Dells? Dimensions....

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More HP1000's

by fmc＠reanimators.org

> 1.) Does the 9885 require special disks or will generic 8" floppies work? > What is the format for the disks? At a guess (based on a mention of "about 500,000 bytes" in one of the HP T&M catalogs), they're single-sided double-density disks, and almost certainly soft-sectored. -Frank McConnell

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C64View PC/Mac C64 image viewer

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

After a long, long delay, C64View, the venerable PC C64 image viewer utility, finally been updated (to version 0.5.x). A new Power Macintosh port is available as well! This version fixes a few bugs in the old 0.499.x, as well as adding support for generic 8K hires bitmaps and the ability to save the image as a .pict (Macintosh version only). C64View can thus view DOODLE!, KoalaPainter, Print Shop Screen Magic, Flexidraw, 1K colourmap and 8K bitmap files. The PC version runs on MS-DOS 5.0 or higher, as well as Windows 95/98/ME/NT. The Mac version runs on any Power Mac with CarbonLib (prefer OS 8.6 or higher). C64View is freeware. Check system requirements and download from http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/c64view/ -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- The idea is to die young as late as possible. -- Ashley Montagu ------------

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OT? Apple Stylewriter problems (longish)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, I'm having and creating trouble with my Stylewriter 1. Problem appeared about a month ago. One row of pixels consistently failed to print. This happened on multiple ink-jet cartridges and after attempting to clean the cartridge (by soaking in 95% propan-2-ol, or isopropyl as the label says). So I opened the thing up, breaking only a few minor plastic latch pieces on the way (and hey, I glued them back - good as new! :-) ). I ohmed out the flex cable from the circuit board up to the print head. The left 25 pads on the circuit board end of the cable conduct with no more than a few ohms up to the 25 contacts where the print cartridge attaches. So I reassembled enough to let it print while I could still see the flex cable. Still missing a row of pixels. The left 2 of the wide traces and the right 2 of the wide traces connect to pins on the flex-cable connector which show about 3V rms while printing and zero while not printing. 3V rms means that's about what my analog Volt-Ohm-meter needle showed while printing a solid black block. But I could not get to the middle 4 connectors because the ribbon cable was in the way. So I took out the circuit board, flipped it over, reconnected all the cables (right way around? I thought so ....) and tried to print again. The printer powered up, but as it tried to print the first time, the power supply (wall-wart) quit working. This was also around the time my VM probe slipped off one of the pins on the row of transistors I was trying to check :-(. Did I short something bad, or mis-connect the ribbon cables and do something equally bad? The power supply (wall-wart) now puts out about 0.2 V (again on my analog VM), vs. the 10 or 11 it used to do. So, questions: 1) Is my (original) problem likely to be one of those transistors? There's a row of 9 of them, right next to the flex-cable connector, with big fat traces leading to doubled pins on the connector and thence to nice wide traces on the flex cable. They are labelled B1243 (I think). 2) What's a less destructive way of telling which one? - Or is it better to just replace all of them? 3) How, short of a large hammer, do I get the power supply opened up? 4) What am I likely to find toasted in there? More details available on request. I'm in digest mode, so it'll be a one-day cycle unless you email me directly (mtapley(a)swri.edu), and still probably a day because I'll read email at work and the busted machine is at home. Apologies if this is not on-topic. Thanks in advance for any help or pointers. - Mark

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IBM R390 IPL woes...

by out2sea00＠yahoo.com

> It should work, provided you have the license code, > IPL app, and mainframe > image installed. I have a couple of these machines > myself. > > Peace... Sridhar > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Colin Eby wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:10:00 -0800 (PST) > > From: Colin Eby <out2sea00(a)yahoo.com> > > Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Subject: Re: IBM R390 IPL woes... > > > > Folks -- > > > > Tomorrow I pick up the IBM 5362. But I have > another > > obscure piece of hardware I'm playing with. Anyone > > ever hear of an IBM R390. This is an RS/6000 with > an > > SBC mainframe in the MCA. The share IO, but > nothing > > else. I've been rebuilding this thing as my UNIX > > workstation at the office. The problem I'm having > is > > getting the mainframe to IPL (of course). This is > > probably, because -- fool that I am -- I FDISK'd > the > > box and upgraded to AIX5L. Does anyone know if > there's > > a binary compatibility issue with the mainframe > > board's system files, and the newer AIX binary > set? Sridhar -- Thanks, for the note. When I wrote this earlier in the evening, I only had the original disks. After some considerable web searching I found a reference to the P390 ftp site. The reference was not I hasten to add, to be found anywhere on IBM's support pages. The docs in the ftp site don't specifically endorse AIX5L, but it did say the system dumps I've been having were common when upgrading to 4.3.3. And I should therefore upgrade the r390 binaries I had. Low and behold there they were on an anonymous FTP server. And shockingly enough I am now sitting in front of an MVS installation that no longer system dumps all over me. Technically it still doesn't IPL, but I'm positively gleeful anyway. Thanks, Colin Eby Senior Consultant CSC Consulting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

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OT? Apple Stylewriter problems (longish)

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Tothwolf wrote: >Did you try flexing this cable while checking its resistance? I've >replaced a few similar cables in other printers that had intermittent >breaks in the conductors when they were flexed a certain way. will try it. The cable was near-zero resistance,in a write-head position about halfway across the page, so I don't think that's it. Also the missing line of pixels is all the way across the page, so it's not an intermittent open over the range of motion across the page. >Good luck with the glue, super glue and glue designed for polystyrene >plastics does not bond ABS plastics very well. Yeah, I know. I was being a bit facetious about the "good as new". >A cheap transistor checker? A multimeter can sometimes be used, but it >helps to have the pinout and specs for the transistor on hand. Hm. Replacing all of them only runs about $4.50. But Tony suggested a 1st-order test with my VOM (see below). >A dull knife hit with the same >rubber hammer on the glued seams can also work, This brick seems to have no glue. On the "wall" side (with the plug blades sticking out), it has three *deep* holes with what look like black painted metal or hard plastic beads at the bottom. Those act like bolts that are holding it together. I felt the label, no screw heads obvious under it, but I'll peel it up and check again. It's not right anyway, output is nowhere near the 9V it claims :-( . > 4) What am I likely to find toasted in there? >take an ohmmeter and see what the primary and secondary winding >resistances are. OK, will try it if/when I get the thing open. >....simply replace the whole brick. What's a good source for ancient Mac parts at bargain prices? >Of course, if you own a coil winding >machine and have the proper wire on hand, Um..... What's a good source for ancient Mac parts at bargain prices? -------- Matt London suggested: >OTOH, Araldite (an epoxy) works a treat in my experience If everything else starts working but the cover pieces won't stay together, I'll try it. ---------- Tony Duell said: >How many dots is this printhead? 25 connections could be 24 dots + common >or sowething like that. I would have suspected 1 driver transistor per >dot, though, and 9 dots seems very small for a modern-ish inkjet printer. Either 8 or 9. I think 8, but don't have any good evidence for that other than the row of 9 (what look like) driver transistors, of which one is slightly offset. 8 pixels would just about square with the width of the missing row vs. the distance between rows when I try to print a solid black block, but 9 might work too. The printer is 1991-93 era (about?) and was 1st generation ink-jet for Apple. I guessed 8 pixels based on the number of big wide traces coming across the ribbon cable and on the theory that it takes one big wide trace per pixel. Do they do some wizardry in the print head where one driver drives 3 pixels, but serially, or some such? >There's no easy way of telling. At least not without seeing the machine, >which is kind of difficult :-) I have a digital camera which produces .jpeg file pictures, about 450kbytes/picture. I could let you see images of many parts of it, if you can decode jpegs. Alternately, I have the shipping carton for it, so it becomes a matter of whether I'll pay more for 2-way shipping to London or for the parts I fry trying to debug the thing.... >Is this AC or DC? In other words is the wall-wart just a transformer, or >does it contain a rectifier and smoothing cap as well? I made both measurements DC. I never thought to check AC before breaking it, as the label said DC output. I also never thought to check AC after breaking it. I did try the DC measurement backward, after it broke, and it definitely had (about) a 0.2 V DC level on it, same sense as the correct output had been before. >Once you get inside, it's easy to check/replace <the fuse>. I'll look forward to it. Is it easy to identify? >Could well be. Those sound like printhead drivers. I'd be inclined to >trace all the connections from the printhead ribbon cable connector to >see where they end up, though. :-) Uh oh. Tony is trying to educate me, I'll bet. What was it Huck Finn said about Aunt Polly? <sigh> OK, I'll give it a shot. >Read that as 2SB1243 -- which is not in 'Towers International Transistor >Selector'. Can you check that number, please. In fact, please post all >markings on the original transistors. I thought I did, unless there are more markings on the side against the PC board? I'll look again. >A good first check is to desolder them and then use the ohmmeter function >(on an analogue VOM) or diode test function (on a DMM) to check that the >base-emitter junction and base-collector junction test as diodes. And >that the 'resistance' between the collector and emitter is very high both >ways round. I knowed it, he's a-tryin' to eddicate me! :-) OK, I'll dig out the soldering iron. >To find out which pin in base, which is collector, etc, you either have >to look the transistor up in a databook ('Towers International Transistor >Selector' is a well-known one in the UK that most hardware hackers have >on their bench) or trace out enough of the surrouding circuitry to work >out at least which pin is the base. I think I get to cheat. I remember seeing "E", "C", and "B" markings on the PCB. ---------- Pete Turnbull said: >Yes, it's a PNP power trannie, in an ATV package, which is a bit like a >TO220 but without the metal tab. It has a beveled edge on the front top, >instead of a metal tab on the back. This sounds familiar. >Pin order is ECB (opposite of the common TO220). That is what I remember from the board, though I'll check. >Near equivalent 2SD1864. Thanks! I'll comparison-shop for them both. -------- All within 24 hours. Is this a *great* list to be on or what? Will work on collecting info tonight, responses tomorrow. Thanks very much! - Mark

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Screeching monitor

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 15, 19:20, Tony Duell wrote: > > > > On Jan 14, 20:19, Tony Duell wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, I've just been having a go at fixing an old Acorn AKF40 monitor (a > > > > > > OK.... Is this better known as something else? I don't think Acorn ever > > > designed their own monitors, did they? > > > > They used Philips or Microvitecs. I think that model is a rebadged Philips > > VGA. There's a stock LOPT fault on one of those, but I'm not sure if it's > > >From the component references in the fault description you gave, I'd bet > it's a Philips... I think so too, but I can't be sure. > I think the AKF60 was a Microvitec. It is. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Araldite

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 15, 14:17, Eric J. Korpela wrote: > Apparently there are are lots of Araldites. Araldite 2020 and 2026 are > clear. There are a few dozen other Araldites as well. I'm sure the stuff > you generically call Araldite has a type number as well. It's possible > the type varies depending upon how the epoxy is branded. It's sold here as "Araldite". Full stop. No number. It's a retail product that's been around for decades (Araldite was invented by Aero Research in the UK and came to fame during WW2; it was sold to Ciba after the war). We can get the numbered types as well, but they're less common; I'd need to go to an engineering (or electronics or microscopy) supplier for most of them. Unfortunately that means I can't tell you what the equivalent number version would be in the States :-( The standard stuff is a 50:50 mix, comes in blue and yellow tubes, and like all epoxies is thermoplastic. It softens at around 150 deg.C. You can vary the mix slightly to make it a little more or less rigid/hard. The normal mix sands/files well. Does that help? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Racal-Vadic Auto Dial VA212 Modem Users Guide

by donm＠cts.com

Anyone want this piece of antiquity? Free for the asking in the states or Canada. Else. the recycling bin gets it. - don

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Systems wanted

by vance＠ikickass.org

Hi there. I am looking for three identical IBM PC Server 310's. I'd prefer the PCI/MCA one, but I'll take the PCI/ISA one. I am also looking for one or two PCI/MCA PC Server 320's. (Part 8640-MD?). Peace... Sridhar

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IBM R390 IPL woes...

by out2sea00＠yahoo.com

Folks -- Tomorrow I pick up the IBM 5362. But I have another obscure piece of hardware I'm playing with. Anyone ever hear of an IBM R390. This is an RS/6000 with an SBC mainframe in the MCA. The share IO, but nothing else. I've been rebuilding this thing as my UNIX workstation at the office. The problem I'm having is getting the mainframe to IPL (of course). This is probably, because -- fool that I am -- I FDISK'd the box and upgraded to AIX5L. Does anyone know if there's a binary compatibility issue with the mainframe board's system files, and the newer AIX binary set? Thanks, Colin Eby Senior Consultant CSC Consulting __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/

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scroungers -- a new chalenge

by cavador＠iprimus.com.au

Hello Clint, I think you might find what you are looking for at www.UnitechElectronics.com This is virtually the only place on earth that makes cables specific to A1200's. The prices are in Australian Dollars so if you are in the US you can expect to pay approx. half the listed price. Jeff Rose (Site owner & Amiga Distributor) is a good friend of mine. cheers, Keith cavador(a)iprimus.com.au

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i386 Memory (was: Re: Mac IIci)

by ken＠seefried.com

From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> >I wish I had some 16meg simms..... I would have put 256megs in my 386 >:-) Yes my 386 had 16 simm slots, and would take more than 32 megs! Yes, but... I've seen a lot of i386 boards that could take a lot of memory, but many of those boards couldn't cache more than 64MB. Resulted in awfully slow performance. Ken

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Prophylactic replacement of electrolytic capacitors?

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

Tony: You first question is answered by your second question. The reason that I propose to "insulate the computer from the world" is to solve the first problem that you pointed out: "applying the reforming voltage ... to random points in the logic" If the computer itself was "insulated from the world", the chasis would be able to float so that no actual voltage was applied to any circuit other than the capacitor being reformed. You would need to be sure that you did not even touch the computer during the process. If my theory actually works -- it could save a lot of trouble for computer restorers. My assumption is that the two sides of the capacitor are isolated from each other. This seems like a reasonable assumption to me. But, just in case, I thought I should check with those of you that might have more experience rehabilitating old computers. Perhaps I just need to find something less precious than my Altair to try it out on .... Why don't I want to unsolder the capacitors ? My experience is that I can do a lot of damage unsoldering things. My soldering skills are not as good as they were when I put the Altair together 25 years ago. My fingers and eyes do not seem to work as well as they did back then either. Perhaps I just need to get myself one of those new high-tech temperature controlled soldering irons. Tony: Reading your later messages, I notice that you recommended using a VOM meter in the Ohms mode to test the caps. I have always avoided the Ohms mode of a VOM when working with TTL circuits. The VOM applies a voltage to its test leads when it is in Ohms mode. As I understand it, delicate circuits an actually be damaged by these meters. I have not worked with hardware in years though. Maybe the modern VOM meters are safe. -Rob -----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell [SMTP:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 6:09 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Prophylactic replacement of electrolytic capacitors? > > I have not yet tried this yet -- > In theory, electrolytics can be re-formed. > There is a very thin aluminum oxide layer that disappears after a long time. > Running current through the cap will rebuild the insulating layer > until current will no longer go through it. OK, yes, reforming can work... > > I want to reform the original capacitors in my Altair "in place" -- > i.e., without unsoldering them. Why do you not want to desolder them? It'll do a lot less damage than applying the reforming voltage (a little above the working voltage of the cap) to random points in the logic. For example, there are likely to be some 16V electrolytics between the +5V line and ground. Do you seriously want to try running TTL at 18V? Desolder the darn thigns! > > I have the following setup in mind: > > 1. Insulate the computer from the world -- unplug it and put it on a > rubber table. What's the point in doing this? > 2. Use ultra mini test clips to connect to both leads of a capacitor. > 3. Connect the test leads to one of those lab power supplies that have adjustable DC voltage and a milli-ammeter. > 4. Connect + on the lab power supply to + on the capacitor (very important). > 5. Start at zero voltage and increase slowly while looking at the ammeter. > 6. Stop increasing the voltage when the ammeter reads anything more than a few milliamps. > (If it draws too much current, the capacitor will heat up and may blow up) I would include a current limiting resistor (a few k) in series with the cap. And please desolder it! -tony

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