January 2002 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

I repaired one of these back in '88... for an unlit LCD screen and an 8088 processor, this was a very nice laptop. I'll try to contact my former employer, see what he might still have... but ISTR it had a brick supply, negative center... -dq

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"The Home Computer Course" published by Orbis, 1983

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Guerney [mailto:guerney@bigpond.com] > Sent: 08 January 2002 13:37 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: "The Home Computer Course" published by Orbis, 1983 > > > From: <OMikeEdwardsO(a)aol.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 1:42 AM > Subject: "The Home Computer Course" published by Orbis, 1983 > > > > I have the complete set (i think) in two grey binders. Does anybody > > know if it is of any value? Is it collectable? > <snip> > They have come up on e-bay for about $US 60 for the ten > volume set and 20-40 > for the two-volumes, so yes they have some value. > There's a set on ebay right now and it hasn't been bid on yet so it's still at $4; or at least it was last night when I checked! cheers a

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Back to board washing for a moment

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] > Sent: 08 January 2002 13:49 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Back to board washing for a moment > > static sensitive parts on them, but they do frequently have > pot's, etc, that > won't benefit from residue of detergen in them. You can > clean the solder-side > of the board with alcohol and wash and rinse it with the same > procedure. Noted. In that case I'll desolder the flyback and proceed with the spray detergent; there's only 2 or 3 pots on there. cheers a

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Back to board washing for a moment

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Tothwolf [mailto:tothwolf@concentric.net] > Sent: 08 January 2002 12:23 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Back to board washing for a moment > > Make sure you properly discharge the CRT and other caps in > the HV section > before disconnecting the anode lead from the CRT. You can > find some basic > service and safety information on the sci.electronics.repair > FAQ located > here: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Thanks for that; the board's been out of the chassis for over a week now; I've just been trying to find time to clean it up. If the flyback is suffering from bad soldering could that itself cause stress in other components and thus the smoke? It won't take long to resolder everything since it's not a very big board..... cheers -- Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum)

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Spectravideo SV328 II (was:RE: VTech Laser 50?)

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Guerney [mailto:guerney@bigpond.com] > Sent: 08 January 2002 12:30 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Spectravideo SV328 II (was:RE: VTech Laser 50?) > > > I have a PSU here labelled FOR SV318/328 USE ONLY, so I do > not know about > the SV328 II. > > It is labelled Input AC 240V 50Hz 35 W (this is Australia!) > Output AC 16V 0.8A > Output AC 9V 1.5A Thanks Phil, that gives me 2 options to check later on. cheers -- Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum)

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IBM 5181001 Printer available

by computermedic＠winesburg.com

do you still have the printer? if so, how much? d.g. wiedle computermedic(a)winesburg.com

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Spectravideo SV328 II (was:RE: VTech Laser 50?)

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

Hi folks, Talking about missing AC PSUs does anyone know the power requirements of the SV328? I got one recently and it's missing it's power.....the socket on the machine is identical to the TI99/4A, but the TI99 PSU kicks out something like 8V and 16V instead of the usual 5 and 12. Anyone got one handy? cheers -- Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum) > -----Original Message----- > From: Cameron Kaiser [mailto:spectre@stockholm.ptloma.edu] > Sent: 08 January 2002 03:48 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: VTech Laser 50? > > > > Does anybody know anything about this thing? The local > thrift shop > > has one that they claim works (but they don't know how to > work it), with > > everything but an AC power supply. It comes with a very > broken box, or > > pieces of it, instruction manual and a Basic tutorial. The > sticker on > > the back says 1985. The console itself is cosmetically perfect. > > Is this a little LCD computer? If so, basically, that's all > there is to it. > I liken it to being an oversized Tandy Pocket Computer in approximate > power and programmability. > > -- > ----------------------------- personal page: > http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- > Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * > ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu > -- The fastest way to fold a map is differently. > ------------------------------ >

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Spectravideo SV328 II (was:RE: VTech Laser 50?)

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: r. 'bear' stricklin [mailto:red@bears.org] > Sent: 08 January 2002 10:39 > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > Subject: Re: Spectravideo SV328 II (was:RE: VTech Laser 50?) > > Here, the front of my power supply reads: > > SPECTRAVIDEO > POWER SUPPLY > MODEL NO: 318 - 202 > EXPANDER SV-601 USE ONLY > > INPUT: 120VAC 60 Hz 65W max > OUTPUT: PINS 1,2 14V 2A > 3,4 6V 3A > > The output plug is labeled thusly: > > ----------- > 1 -> | * * | <- 2 > 3 -> | * * | <- 4 > ----------- > > I would guess, with outputs rated at 6 and 14 volts, that this is an > unregulated supply. That's an excellent starting point; 6 & 14 volts is ringing bells with me, and there are some caps on the motherboard which could be part of a regulating circuit. Pinouts match too, I think. I can make sure tonight. Thanks! -- Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum)

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Some pointers needed on a 11/70

by quapla＠xs4all.nl

Pete Turnbull wrote: > > OK. From what you've written there, and a few other places, I assume you > have some manuals and/or printsets? Most of them, but from the MK11 memory box, only the MOS board and both controller boards. > > > That's an unusual address, and it's only 32K bytes (16KW). You said > you > > > had two 64KW boards. What type are they? They probably have switches > Are they M8728-AA or M8728-CA? The latter is only 16KW. The easy way to > tell the difference, if there's no -A or -C beside the number, is that One is a '-AA' version, the other is a '-AC' one, and both are fully populated. > I was, no surprise to anyone, wrong about their having switches -- > showing > my ignorance about the specifics of 11/70's. Most of the things I've > written are gleaned from the meagre information in one or two of the > processor handbooks, or from my (incomplete) collection of microfiche. Well, nobody is perfect :=) > > Anyway, the memory box has switches on the front (and I assume you've > checked those?) but as far as I can see from the 'fiche, the memory card > base addresses depend only on their position in the box. So the two cards > have to be adjacent, and nearest the other cards, I think. Do you agree? There are no switches at the front of the box, unless you mean the control panel which contains the thumbwheel switches and a few other switches? Do you have documentation on the data buffer board? This one does have 2 switchbanks, and all are currently 'open'. Those 2 boards are the only one for which I do not have any docs. > > It looks as though the box might be set to the wrong address -- 400000 > is > 131072 decimal, or 128K -- and is only showing 16KW (32KB) of memory. I > don't know how you set the address of the box, though. I changed the size register on the 8143 to 32K, and it 'disappeared' completely >from the system, i.e. no memory address was usable. I then changed 2 switches (W12 & W15 seem to be wrong marked in one of the FE sheets) and is was visible again, and it still was set at 400000... > > It is the 23-233F1 diag rom. > > OK, I've found some data (actually the listing) for that ROM. It's > assembled at 165000 (but it looks like position-independant code, so > that's > possibly not its real address). It ends at 165776, ie 1000 bytes (octal) > later. It is indeed an 11/70 diagnostic ROM for the M9312, probably just > a > later version than the 23-616F1 my other docs refer to. > > The docs say there's no way to enter the diagnostics directly, only by > entering a bootstrap at the "run with diagnostics" address. They suggest > that would be 173006/173206/173406/173606 depending on whether you're > booting from a bootstrap ROM in socket 1, 2, 3 or 4. > > The docs also say that when the 11/70 powers up (or you press a boot switch > attached to TP1 and TP2 on the M9312), it loads the PC from address 773024, > and PSW from 773026. And indeed every boot ROM has a reserved word at that > address for the PC, followed by 000340, which is the usual interrupt mask > to set in the PSW for booting. Every ROM has code (opcode SEC) starting at > 173x04 leading to a BCC BDIAG at 173020. In every boot ROM, that branch > goes to an absolute jump, JMP _at_#DIAG, which in turn leads to a > PC-relative > jump at absolute address 165564, which goes to 165000 (the actual code is > 165564 000167 177210 DIAG: JMP START). > > Why do you think address 777644 is the diagnostics ROM start address? That was a mistake, I did mean 765744, which is spoken about in the documentation. > All the 11/70 tests halt on error (unlike the CPU diagnostics for the > 11/34 > and other processors, which loop on error). The first section tests > assorted instructions that needn't to use memory, the secondary CPU > tests > use the stack (R6 set to 000776). However, the very first instructions > in > the diagnostics code store registers at 000700...000704, and use 000706 > to > hold a flag which tells the code whether it's running on an 11/60 or an > 11/70. If the memory isn't working, this will cause problems later in > the > diagnostics. > > Address 165344 is one of the error halts partway through the secondary > CPU > tests (assuming the diag ROM starts at 165000). What it does is set > SP=776, then does a PC-relative JSR to the address 2 ahead of where it > is. > The code there checks to see if the top of the stack contains the > correct > return address, and should halt at 165326 if it doesn't (it should halt > at > 165320 if the JSR didn't execute). If it does see the correect return > address, it adjusts the stack contents, does an RTS, ending up at > 165342. > At 165342, it pushes a zero and an address on the stack and then tests > RTI. 165344 is the address of the push instruction, and 165350 is the > RTI. > That's folowed by a jump to the next test, which is the memory-sizing > routine. > > So having it loop until you stop it, and then halt at some address > ending > in 344 doesn't make much sense to me. Either you're not starting at a > sensible address, or there's something wrong that is sending it into a > loop. That could be a CPU fault, or maybe (I've not read all the cache > test code) something to do with not having memory between 000700 and > 001000. That sounds more logical to me, but I can only substantiate that when I have the memory being available at address 000000. As a tryout, I'll swap all the other boards in the cpu (I have a complete spare CPU) to see if this has some effect as well. I didn't do this before, as the machine was in operation until about a year ago, so it is likely to assume that this could have worked. I do not know if the MK11 is the original one, or is from another 11/70. I'll let you know tomorrow. Ed -- The Wanderer | Politici zijn gore oplichters. quapla(a)xs4all.nl | Europarlementariers: zakkenvullers http://www.xs4all.nl/~quapla | en neuspeuteraars. Unix Lives! M$ Windows is rommel! | Kilometerheffing : De overheid '97 TL1000S | weet waar je bent geweest!

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VAX manuals

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

No, it's not yet another Gray wall... I have 2 packages of VMS installation docs, "VMS Installation and Operations VAXstation 8000" Order Number AA-LB33A-TE "VMS Installation and Operations VAX 6000 Series" Order Number AA-LB36B-TE Both are 5-ring insert sets, maybe 20-30 sheets + tabbed divider & end divider, and both are "new", in shrinkwrap. They were lurking in my Gray Wall. Anybody want them? Doc

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11/53 - DELQA question

by GOOI＠oce.nl

Thanks everybody for the clear replies. I removed the bus expansion card (for the external box) and when I powered up the system again, it just ran fine. The next step I did was move the RQXD3 to the location where that bus expansion card was and where the RQDX3 was I inserted a DELQA (M7516). I connected the bulkhead cable and mounted a 10Base2 transceiver on the AUI connector. The 10Base2 transceiver has the bare minimum network: just the T-connector with on both sides 50 Ohms terminators. The system still boots and runs fine, but I expected to see the XE: (?) device listed with the $SHOW DEVICES command. (The system runs Micro/RSX 3.1). Current config: slot 1 A/B-C/D : M7554-02 KDJ11, 15 MHz, 1.5 Mb slot 2 A/B : M3106 4 line EIA MUX slot 3 A/B : M7546 TQK50 slot 4 A/B : M7516 DELQA C/D : M7555 RQDX3 all other slots are empty. Must the system with the new DELQA interface be sys/generated? Am I doing something wrong? TIA - Henk.

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Seeking classiccmp email solution

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

Greetings. I would like to use one of my classic machines to handle all of my email. Currently, I'm using a Win95 PC. Because it contains classic gear (Voyetra V-24S 64 port MIDI i/f) as well as brand new stuff (Audiophile 2496 hard disk recorder), it contains a strange mix of DOS, Win 3.1, Win95, and Win98 drivers. This weirdness is the only way to enable *all* of the stuff in this box to work together. After four virus attacks in December alone, I have decided to move my email capability *off* of this box before some virus catches me off guard. It takes about four hours to wipe and reload this system and massage all of the drivers until all the hardware is happy; I would rather avoid this painful task. So -- how hard would it be for me to handle email on a small, classic micro? I'd like to use my Z100 running CP/M-86; second choice is my Kaypro 10 (2.2, of course); third choice is the Z100 under ZDOS. My BellSouth dial-up account does not provide shell accounts, but I see that there are plenty of free providers out there. Is it possible to get my classic machine to first connect with my BellSouth dial-up, then log on to a shell account, and then send mail or retrieve my incoming mail for offline viewing? I'd prefer to cobble together some sort of system using other people's software, but I am a programmer and can write stuff in C or assembler if need be. Please bear in mind, though, that I have no knowledge of the internal workings of TCP/IP, Telnet, POP3, etc., and I don't really want to spend three months learning the protocols and writing and debugging the code -- but I will if I have to. Feedback from the list members concerning this idea would be greatly appreciated. Glen 0/0

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Burroughs & adding machines

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> > I have (somewhere) a Burroughs internal publication that outlines points > of company history, in there is the article I'm refering to. It is packed > away just now, but in a couple of months I'll have my library out of the > boxes and back on the shelves, Insh'Allah! I'll gladly pay for copies of this material, if it's copyable. > Well, okay, I think we're describing the same symptom from slightly > different viewpoints. My reference specifically mentions machine damage > as a result of improper crank use; it is undoubtedly also the case that > inaccurate results would also devolve from this; and in fact that would be > far more serious a situation, since, in the case of gross mechanical > failure, you at least know to check your results - because your desk is > suddenly littered with oily springs and bent levers... > > crunch sproingggg (turn-of-last-century expletives deleted) Yeah, what good is a calculator if you have to double-check the results? > > No shit, this list is a real shark tank these days when it comes to > > precision in expression ;>) > > > > And I must place myself in that Group; faddish moronic mangling of > English evokes my very strong underlying concern over the precipitous > slide of overall American educational standards, the fact that > ever-more-stupid teachers continue the downward spiral, and the > market-driven grotesque Deification of vulgar pop-culture fueled by > billions of indiscriminate young dollars. Most often I just delete %99 of > the Beavis-and-Butthead stuff I see, but occasionally I simply wish to > raise a little flag in the gathering Storm of Dumb. I'm with you 100 percent. > Now: contrast the above with the fact that, as my years advance (nearly > 50) I find it increasingly more difficult to type without falling into > egregious and repeated errors, mainly right-left handed letter > transposition errors, and spelling errors that go undetected because I > 'see' the word I *meant* to type instead of what actually came off the > keyboard. I am using Pine under a Unix shell, (and have turned off my > main wordprocessor spell checkers) in an effort to force myself to pay > more attention. As well, I don't touch-type, I use four or five fingers > and watch the keys, not the screen. I've tried several time to *learn* > touch-typing; all that generates is smashed keyboards and frustration. My typing skills are about the same as yours, and, to complicate things, my eyes are going, making it much harder to catch errors. Getting old is hell, but it beats the alternative ;>) Glen 0/0

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Strange and Possibly Wonderful Cable

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Hi. I picked up a 35lb load of mostly Mac-related cast-offs last night, and scored many cool objets de junque. The 2 things I can't really identify are a Panasonic Easa-Phone, KX-T1225 which seems to be a speed-dialer of some sort. The other is a cable with a (Doc ducks & prepares to rub) 36-pin Centronics connector, plus eyelet ground, on one end and a female card-edge connector on the other. The shrouds are steel, squared, and embossed "TANDY" on both ends. While I've never seen one, I'm guessing it's a Tandy printer cable. The rest of the haul is mostly OT, but see gimme list below: working SyQuest 88MB drive & some cartridges cordless 3-button mouse a whole bag of the fabled 800K floppies 2 copies of FWB's Hard Disk Toolkit (one is even on-topic, I think. System 6.0 bootable disk) The newer version came with docs CharisMac Anubis that I can't date, but there's NO version info in the docs, copyright is 1989-1996 Astarte Toast CD-ROM Pro v3, in original box but no docs Adobe PageMill v2.0, no docs no key Adobe Photo Deluxe no docs Adobe Illustator v6 no docs no key (Waahhh!!!) A couple of NuBus ethernet adapters, one with its right-angle adapter A loose right-angle NuBus adapters with *2* female connectors several Apple-AUI/10B2 transceivers 14400 (no AC adapter) SupraFax modem (needs 9V AC PSU) 33.6 SupraExpress modem with all its parts GeoPort Telecom Adapter - first one I've found in the wild 2 28.8 SupraExpress modems, intact 1998 revision of the "Mac Upgrade and Repair Bible" with its CD. Not bad for free. The transceivers, the 14.4 modem, the Tandy cable and all the NuBus cards are all up for adoption; the rest is probably available for trade if you need something. All this because I gave $35 for a PowerBook 145B I didn't want and the QuickTake 150 (with all its docs, disks, and a NIB Battery Booster Pack) that I did want last week. Yee Haw. Doc

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Sequent Symmetry S2000-450

by ken＠seefried.com

FWIW...while the Sequent Symmetry ran x86 chips, the earlier (and kewler) Sequent Balance ran NS32000s. At GaTech, we had both. Ken

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%20RC25s%20for%20parts%2Bmisc

by Meatman711＠aol.com

I'm interested in the rc-25's that you have listed. I'm located in Klamath Falls, Oregon and am willing to pay freight and shipping costs for them. I have lost a drive head in mine and would like the two that you have for parts. Please give me a call 1-800-289-2093 regarding this matter. Thank you, Jerry

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PDP-11 DRV11-B question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 7, 18:37, Tom Leffingwell wrote: > > It seems to work. I tried 772410, and it returned 000000. With > 772414 it returned 006200. Is there a way to look at the what is being > transferred into memory? If you know how to program it, or have some software to do it, you could clear an area in memory, get it to DMA some data in, and then look at the memory again. > I'm starting to think that my problem stems the lack of the > ADV11-C module that it wants. The program goes into simulation mode if "a > hardware port is missing" which I assume to mean one of the interfaces it > uses, a DRV11, a DRV11-B, and an ADV11-C. Since I don't need the > funtionality provided by the ADV11-C (and the fact that I can't find one), > I didn't install it. That's almost certainly what's wrong. The software probably checks for the presence of a device at the address(es) it expects for the ADV11; that's very easy to do (just set up a trap handler in case it causes a bus timeout, then try to read from the address. If it doesn't cause a trap, the device is there.) The standard adresses for an ADV11 are 170400 for the CSR and 170402 for the Data Buffer Register. The standard addresses for a DRV11 are 167770 for CSR, and 167772 and 167774 for the OUTBUF and INBUF registers. If you haven't got an ADV11, I can think of three options open to you: 1) get an ADV11 2) get a 3rd party equivalent, such as an ADAC card 3) use some other device, set it to the ADV11 addresses, and hope you fool the software -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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KDJ11-BF pricing?

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Actually that looks to be a very good price for a 11/83-84 J11 18MHz CPU. Zane > > A good price? no. > > Would a KDJ11-BB (M8190-AB) work for you? > > -Lawrence LeMay > > > Is $200 a reasonable price for a PDP-11 KDJ11-BF CPU board? > > > > -- > > Bruce Robertson, President/CEO +1-775-348-7299 > > Great Basin Internet Services, Inc. fax: +1-775-348-9412 > > http://www.greatbasin.net > > > > >

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Manual available - Heathkit ET3400 trainer

by west＠tseinc.com

Greetings folks; Someone was kind enough to copy a manual for the Heathkit ET3400 microprocessor trainer for me. NOT complaining, but it was single sided copy, and I'm anal so I went and copied it from single sided to dual sided 3 hole paper for myself. As a result, I have a single sided copy left over that is free to anyone that wants it for the cost of mailing. It is not a 100% complete manual, but the pages that are missing were skipped intentionally as they were far from essential. I'm a stickler for that sort of thing and I can assure you the missing pages won't dissapoint you. If someone wants it, speak up or the duplicate will probably go into the trash. Regards, Jay West

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by Golemancd＠aol.com

This is becoming a pretty silly thread because there can be understanding without proper grammer ; if we are being technical here. Sure there is meaning, u just dont understand it. The real story here is this is pretty much a none issue since what i am saying and pretty much what everyone is saying here, is just to enjoy a hobby. To worry about someones ideas to the point that it bothers u defeats the purpose of a hobby; to have fun or to enjoy yourself. If you cant understand something ; it doesnt matter. This is not a business or the F.B.I ; it is just a hobby. I get your point. I do use a lot of shorthand and because this is a hobby i dont focus very much on my grammer. If u see me post then dont read it. That is all that i have to say about this matter. joee P.S i hope the grammer helps you understand this.

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PDP-11 DRV11-B question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 6, 17:58, Tom Leffingwell wrote: > > Does anyone have a list of the function of the switch settings on > the PDP DRV11-B / M7950 card? Also, is there an easy way to tell whether > the device is at least recognized by the system? Something like a "show > dev" on an alpha would be nice. If you know its address, try to access the CSR from ODT. For example, if the CSR is at 772410 (which is the default) then if you type that address at the ODT prompt, followed by a '/' (without the quotes), you should see the contents of the CSR. If there's nothing at that address, trying to read it will cause a bus timeout, and all you'll get is a question mark and a new prompt. > Also, can anyone point me to a document that gives a good overview > of the LSI-11 bus, so that I can understand what I'm doing when I change > these settings (such as base and vector settings)? Probably the Microcomputer and Memories Handbook 1982 is your best bet, as it covers the 11/23, LSI-11 and 11/2, various memory boards (including your MSV11-D and MSV11-L), and has sections on the processors, architecture, and so on. You sometimes see them on EBay. I think that was the last (or 2nd-last) QBus CPU/memory handbook. There are at least one or two earlier editions that would have the same general infomation, but not the specific bits about 11/23 and contemporary memory, or 22-bit operation. There's a companion volume, PDP-11 Microcomputer Interfaces 1983-84, which you'd find useful. It has all the information about the BA11-M/N/S backplanes and many peripherals, including your DRV11-B. Apart from that, have you looked at the Micronotes at http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/computer-science/history/pdp-11/hardwar… ? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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PDP-11 memory question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 6, 11:26, Jerome Fine wrote: > (a) My experience with upgrading the backplane is VERY satisfactory. It > was done by someone with sufficient skills with a soldering iron. And yes, > wire-wrap wire was used. The specific model was the VT103 which was > a 4 * quad backplane, i.e. 4 quad boards or 8 dual boards. And terminating > resistors did not seem to be needed - perhaps because of so few boards. Many of the QBus processors have a set of terminators on the CPU card, and the QBus spec allows for the use of short bus length with light loads and no extra terminators. The definitions of "short" and "light" are subject to variation at short notice :-) > (b) With regard to the use of the M8044 and M8045 memory boards, at > one time I did that mod as well - using only 4096 bytes for the IOPAGE > addresses (from 170000 to 177776). However, if I remember correctly > (perhaps Megan can help with this aspect), it ONLY worked with either > the RT11SJ or RT11FB monitors - i.e. UNMAPPED. As soon as I > use the 11/23 board WITH the MMU activated, the MMU hardware under > RT11XM forced the full 8192 bytes of the IOPAGE to be used - there > was no other option. In addition, with the 11/73, it was NOT possible to > use a 4096 Byte IOPAGE AT ALL This sounds familiar. And to be honest, if you are running anything other than RT11SJ, you probably have a lot more than 28KW of memory anyway, so the saving is minimal. My advice would be not to bother trying to squeeze another 2KW out of the system. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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KDJ11-BF pricing?

by bruce＠greatbasin.net

Is $200 a reasonable price for a PDP-11 KDJ11-BF CPU board? -- Bruce Robertson, President/CEO +1-775-348-7299 Great Basin Internet Services, Inc. fax: +1-775-348-9412 http://www.greatbasin.net

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Language and English

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 7, 16:05, Dan Wright wrote: > real problem is that outlook is brain-dead... The message is sent as > mulipart/MIME, with the first part being the text of the message and the other > part being the signature. Clearly outlook doesn't understand how to process > MIME the right way; it should recognize that part 1 is plain text and display > it, and that part 2 is something it doesn't know about. I've talked to others > (not on this list) about it, and the only mailers that seem to have this > problem are 1) outlook, and 2) some e-mail appliances. Nope, zmail and MediaMail both see it as multipart but don't see the first part as the main text part, so they don't show the text straight off, just a multipart attachment. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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PDP-11/23 upgrade paths

by bruce＠greatbasin.net

I've found info in the micronotes about upgrading a Micro/PDP-11 to use the KDJ11-A CPU, but I've been unable to find out anything regarding the new versions of this board. In particular, will a KDJ11-BF drop into a Micro/PDP-11 that currently has a KDF11B-BH CPU? The box also has a Clearpoint 1 MB RAM board; any idea of this will work as well? Any help is appreciated! -- Bruce Robertson, President/CEO +1-775-348-7299 Great Basin Internet Services, Inc. fax: +1-775-348-9412 http://www.greatbasin.net

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Language and English

by Golemancd＠aol.com

this may help i am 38 years old, so there is nothing about my typing style where i am trying to be cute. i collect any computer i can get my hands on. i am developing an operating system and a multimedia program to create movies. i use a newer computer to produce records. i am also working out, as i was talking about in the original thread that got off track, a distributed os to control robots and also a custom computer to do the same. i guess thats it. joee

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Astronautics ZS-1

by auringer＠tds.net

Howdy, Is there anyone here that would be interested in rescuing an Astronautics ZS-1, or maybe a couple? I am currently the Systems Admin for the Astronautics Technology Center in Madison Wisconsin. Our facility has been sold and our staff may, or may not, be relocated. Either way, the plan is to scrap the several ZS-1 mini-supercompters that we designed and built here. If I can find someone who has the resources to pick up these machines, I may be able to persuade our management to OK it. Unfortunately, the time window for doing this is very limited. Our headquarters wants to come dismantle these machines ASAP. These machines are are large, they require a lot of power, and will _NOT_ be supported in any way by this company. Each machine is a tall double-wide rack with a third rack for a Storagetek 9-track tape drive. If you need more information on what these machines are, or are capable of, I suggest searching Google. If you have any specific questions, please feel free to e-mail me. Later, Jon Jon Auringer auringer(a)tds.net

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Sequent Symmetry S2000-450

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: SP [mailto:spedraja@ono.com] > Hi, Christopher. Mine is one Sequent Symmetry 2000 > with four 486 processors and 256 Mb of memory. > I comes with one extension box with over 10 Gb of > SCSI disks. It uses Dynix like OS. I believe all Sequent machines use Dynix. It's all a question of which version you need. I suppose some of them will run windows nt too, but why waste a perfectly good computer? > I'm in treats to get one Sequent Symmetry 5000, with > 4 Pentium processors, 1Gb of memory and 10 Gb > of disk. I'd like to see how a Sequent that new will handle, say, 16 or 32 cpus. They may very well be capable of it. > The best of all os the possibility to get another one Sequent 5000 > same than the other but... with one 65 Gb storage Extension box > of 180 cm high. > Good find if reliable. Don't think so ? Certainly, and I've never heard that they are unreliable. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 6 months

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FreeVMS

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Zach Malone [mailto:Diff@Mac.com] > > > > If it doesn't have wheels, it isn't really a computer. > > What about rackmount gear? Generally counts since the rack would have wheels, I guess. :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 6 months

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Sequent Symmetry S2000-450

by spedraja＠ono.com

Hi, Christopher. Mine is one Sequent Symmetry 2000 with four 486 processors and 256 Mb of memory. I comes with one extension box with over 10 Gb of SCSI disks. It uses Dynix like OS. I'm in treats to get one Sequent Symmetry 5000, with 4 Pentium processors, 1Gb of memory and 10 Gb of disk. Both systems can be take with OS, Tapes, Documentation and so. The best of all os the possibility to get another one Sequent 5000 same than the other but... with one 65 Gb storage Extension box of 180 cm high. Good find if reliable. Don't think so ? Greetings Sergio -----Mensaje original----- De: Christopher Smith <csmith(a)amdocs.com> Para: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Fecha: lunes, 07 de enero de 2002 17:58 Asunto: RE: Sequent Symmetry S2000-450 >Hi Sergio, > >Sequent was/is relatively stingy with information. They are now owned by IBM, who wouldn't even talk to me about my old machine. > >That said, the Symmetry series may be the closest thing to a real parallel computer that was ever done with Intel CPUs. They're very cool machines. I don't know the exact models you're seeing. Mine is a Symmetry S81, which accepts up to 30 386/16Mhz CPUs and accompanying Weitek co-processors. It is in a coke-machine sized cabinet, and impresses people even without the CPU cards ;) > >Regards, > >Chris > >Christopher Smith, Perl Developer >Amdocs - Champaign, IL > >/usr/bin/perl -e ' >print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); >' > >-----Original Message----- >From: SP [mailto:spedraja@ono.com] > > >It's possible I could obtain one Sequent Symmetry S2000-450 >in a relatively short place. A similar system can be viewed in >this eBay address: > >http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1311505028&ed=1009557 004 > >The system comes complete, with software, hardware and documentation. >It need three pallets to be transported. > >There is another opportunity to get one Sequent Symmetry S5000 >that uses 4 Pentium processors and 1 Gb of memory, but this >is in private negotiation. > >Do Somebody has information about these systems ? >They appears to use Four processors 486, a Numa architecture >to share memory, and one version of Unix named Dynix. > >Is there some porting of the Gnu utilities to it ?

23 years, 6 months

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Imsai archive?

by donm＠cts.com

Is there an accessible archive that will relate Imsai serials to manufacturing year, etc? A friend has one of the blank panel boxen that he is thinking of offering up and is looking for some detail of its date of origin. Thanks! - don

23 years, 6 months

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Sequent Symmetry S2000-450

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Hi Sergio, Sequent was/is relatively stingy with information. They are now owned by IBM, who wouldn't even talk to me about my old machine. That said, the Symmetry series may be the closest thing to a real parallel computer that was ever done with Intel CPUs. They're very cool machines. I don't know the exact models you're seeing. Mine is a Symmetry S81, which accepts up to 30 386/16Mhz CPUs and accompanying Weitek co-processors. It is in a coke-machine sized cabinet, and impresses people even without the CPU cards ;) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' -----Original Message----- From: SP [mailto:spedraja@ono.com] It's possible I could obtain one Sequent Symmetry S2000-450 in a relatively short place. A similar system can be viewed in this eBay address: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1311505028&ed=1009557… The system comes complete, with software, hardware and documentation. It need three pallets to be transported. There is another opportunity to get one Sequent Symmetry S5000 that uses 4 Pentium processors and 1 Gb of memory, but this is in private negotiation. Do Somebody has information about these systems ? They appears to use Four processors 486, a Numa architecture to share memory, and one version of Unix named Dynix. Is there some porting of the Gnu utilities to it ?

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7/01/97 ClassicCmp FAQ - Part 1

by marvin＠rain.org

With so much OT stuff going on, this FAQ might be interesting reading for some of the newer members of this listserver. And just for the sake of curiosity, who has been on the list the longest? I joined sometime around June 5, 1997. NOTE: This is an OLD FAQ and the contact information is OUTDATED!!! I do not know if the listserver commands still work, Jay??? ============================================================================= DO NOT DISPOSE OF THIS PART OF THE FAQ. THIS IS THE PART THAT EXPLAINS HOW YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE AND UNSUBSCRIBE. IT WILL TAKE ME MORE TIME TO DO THESE THINGS FOR YOU THAN IT WILL TAKE FOR YOU TO DO THEM YOURSELF ============================================================================= ClassicCmp - The Classic Computers Discussion List Part 1 in the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy Mail/Internet Basics FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) v1.2 Last Update: 7/01/97 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This FAQ is written with the primary purpose of making readily available answers to the more common questions appearing on ClassicCmp. It is Maintained by Bill Whitson <bill(a)booster.u.washington.edu>. The infor- mation in this document has been gathered from a variety of sources but, in general, the members of ClassicCmp should be credited for all contain- ed herein. I have, of course, endeavored to be as accurate as is possible and often failed ;). This FAQ is Part 1 of the ClassicCmp FAQ Trilogy. The information presented deals with the use of mailing lists and internet-specific tools. If you have questions, comments, or corrections (always welcome) please contact me at the address above. A current copy of this FAQ is available on the web at http://weber.u. washington.edu/~bcw/ccl.html or via anonymous FTP at 140.142.225.27 in the directory /pub/classiccmp/faqs as classiccmp.faq. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Updates: New Sections: 2.1, 3.1 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Mailing Lists ---------------- 1.1 Mailing List Basics 1.2 How to Talk to the Robot How to set to Digest How to Subscribe How to Unsubscribe 2. FTP ------ 2.1 FTP Basics 3. World Wide Web ----------------- 3.1 WWW Basics ============================================================================= 1.1 Mailing List Basics A mailing list is a simple device which takes an e-mail and redistributes it to a group of people. People can add and remove themselves from the distribution list by Subscribing and Unsubscribing. When you send a message to the list, it is first examined by the robot for key words that tell it to process an automatic funtion (like help, subscribe, unsubscribe, etc). If the message does not contain a keyword it is sent to the distribution list. 1.2 How to Talk to the Robot There are a few List Processor commands that you might want to use. To send a command to the list processor, write a message to listproc(a)u.washington.edu (Do NOT send the message to classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu). In the body of the message (not the subject line, that is) write one of the following commands, then send the message. SET CLASSICCMP MAIL ACK Tells the robot to send you a copy of messages you write to the list. This is the default. SET CLASSICCMP MAIL NOACK Tells the robot NOT to send you a copy of messages you write to the list. I don't recommend this. SET CLASSICCMP MAIL DIGEST Tells the robot to send you a digest of messages rather than each as it is posted. With this option you will get a weekly bundle of messages and keep a nice, tidy in-box. SUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address Subscribes you to the list. UNSUBSCRIBE CLASSICCMP Your.Address Removes you from the list. [][][][][][][][][][] 2.1 FTP Basics FTP is a protocol by which files can be transferred over the internet. You can use FTP to connect to a remote site and retrieve files. The commands you use with FTP depend on the software you use. In general you must make sure that you are in BINARY mode before transferring a program file or compressed files. The process of downloading a file is usually termed GET and the process of uploading a file is usually termed PUT. Your FTP program will require an address to connect to. For the ClassicCmp site that address is 140.142.225.27. You then may be asked to log in (unless your program assumes an anonymous login). When asked for a name, use anonymous. When asked for a password enter your internet e-mail address. [][][][][][][][][][] 3.1 WWW Basics The only complicated thing with the WWW is knowing what bells and whistles your web browser supports. You don't really need to know much other than the address for ClassicCmp. The web site is all text which means just about any web browser from the oldest Lynx to the newest Netscape or Microsoft browser should support it. The ClassicCmp site is http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw/ccl.html. =============================================================================

23 years, 6 months

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BYAD CP/M disks

by paul＠wccnet.org

I have two pairs of BYAD 5.25" diskettes for CP/M-80 Version 2.20. One of each pair is a System Disk, the other is a Program Disk. Condition unknown, no way to test. Does anyone want these? Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA

23 years, 6 months

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CCITT G4 compression in WIN98

by mranalog＠attbi.com

I wrote: > And if I still have anyone's attention, does anyone > know where I can find program to do Group 4 fax > compression under Windows 98? Or a program to put > a .PDF wrapper around scanned pages (for the budget > conscious) under Windows 98? Again I'm on digest, so I have not seen any replies to these questions. But I have been searching the web half the night and ......... .....WILL SOMEBODY, PLEASE HIT ME WITH A HAMMER. After years of wanting one, it seems to have been right under my nose and I didn't see it. It turns out that Windows comes with a program that does CCITT Group 3 and 4 compression. OK, no more 15 MB files. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog Analogrechner, calculateur analogique, calcolatore analogico, analoogrekenaar, komputer analogowy, analog bilgisayar, kampiutere ghiyasi, analoge computer. =========================================

23 years, 6 months

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

They're called "false cognates." My favorite one in Spanish is "embarazada," which would make you very embarrassed if you use it to mean "embarrassed" (as it means "pregnant.") There's the story of a female exchange student who told her host family "Tengo hombre" ("I have a man") when she meant to say "Tengo hambre" ("I'm hungry"). When informed of her error, she blushed and said "Estoy embarasada!", which only compounded her chagrin. (She said "I'm pregnant" instead of "I'm embarrassed.") :-) -----Original Message----- From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 11:03 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment You're suffering from a misconception popular among immigrants from Germany and elsewhere, assuming that words spelled and even pronounced similarly actually mean the same. <snip>

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Trailing-edge compute farm seeks gainful employment

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > the right punctuation. Or anything like that. Or starting and ending sentences with "Or." I had to say that. :) It reminds me of the legendary German tendency to say "Also!" a lot. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 6 months

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FreeVMS

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

The VAX 11/780 is a 32-bit machine. Nuff' said. - Matt > > way so that some of the programs I tend to write would work. I guess you're > > going to try to make a FreeVMS for VAX clone, emulating 64 bits on a 32 bit > > machine would be a project killer from the start. > >Weren't there vaxen that didnt support the 64bit instructions? From >reading (excessively) the VAX Architecure Handbook, I seem to also >remember it saying that the address space was only 32bits. I could easily >be wrong, and it woudn't suprise me too much. Anyways, FreeVMS on a Sun >Enterprise 10k (or S/390 -- zSeries) would be cool, if not horribly wrong. >:P > >Personally (as I stated in my original post) I don't know much about VMS, >yet, I was just trying to throw some ideas off the top of my head. > >-- Pat Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

23 years, 6 months

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Strange and Possibly Wonderful Cable

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc Shipley [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > cable with a (Doc ducks & prepares to rub) 36-pin Centronics > connector, > plus eyelet ground, on one end and a female card-edge connector on the > other. The shrouds are steel, squared, and embossed "TANDY" on both > ends. While I've never seen one, I'm guessing it's a Tandy printer > cable. Doc, this may be for a Tandy 1000. I have one in the basement which I seem to remember has a card-edge parallel port. I haven't counted the contacts, but I seem to remember the "port" is male (IE It's got the edge, the cable would have to clip on to it.) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 6 months

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Lithium/Lithium-ion batteries

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

OK, I've been watching the thread for a couple of days about battery damage. I just realized what's confusing me. I'm also fully aware that I'm about to expose the true depth of my electronic ignorance. "Never recharge a lithium battery?" (Yes, I've also been watching the grammar thread.) My laptop has lithium-ion batteries. That Apple camera came with "Energizer Hi-Energy Lithium" AA cells that I was planning to stick in the wall-wart battery charger. I'm fairly certain they're _meant_ to be rechargeable. I think I'm missing a crucial concept here. As they say in West Texas, "Could somebody please 'splain this wonderment to me?" Doc

23 years, 6 months

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Lithium/Lithium-ion batteries

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>There are several non-rechargeable lithium batteries on the market, and >they most certainly _should not_ be recharged. Typically they are used for >cameras and other items that need short duration high current pulses of >power. I heard the advantage to Lithium batteries over Alkaline is that Lithium provides steady voltage right up until it is dead, where an Alkaline looses voltage as it dies. Any truth to that? Or is it simply Lithium provides more amperage at a given voltage? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 6 months

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HP2000 availability/nomenclature

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Mike Gortych asked: >> Also, I have a trivia question for you...what commands were used to add >> and remove files from the drum disk drive? "Rick Bensene" <rickb(a)bensene.com> wrote in reply: > Wasn't it SANCTIFY (SAN-<file>) and DESECRATE (DES-<file>)? That's what I think too, but I think I answered this question when Mike asked over in comp.sys.hp.<mumble> a couple or three years ago. Next trivia question: what did you have to do to a program file before you could SANCTIFY it? -Frank McConnell

23 years, 6 months

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OT: Time-Canada posts Apple early

by jhellige＠earthlink.net

At around midnight last night, Time-Canada posted a story, dated Jan. 14, on their website giving a look at the new Apple product line, a day before the products were to be announced! A few hours later the story was pulled, but not before people caught sight of it, and in one case, made a PDF of it. Jeff -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

23 years, 6 months

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Language and English

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>It's all part of syntax and style, not grammar as you say. How many >people on this list ever turned in a paper where the teacher/professor >insisted on strict adherence to "Strunk and White"? Me Me Me... but ironically it was a "Creative Writing" class... so I scratched my head, flipped him the bird, and walked out to see the registrar's office about being moved to a different professor. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 6 months

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FORTH for TRS Model 100

by paul＠wccnet.org

Sorry for the delay, but my real life got busy. Back on Nov 12 I offered FORTH for the TRS Model 100 to the list. Two people replied, so I did not need a computerized random number generator this time. I flipped a coin. I will be contacting the winner by e-mail. Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA

23 years, 6 months

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KAYPRO 286

by kees.stravers＠iae.nl

Hi, I got a question on a Kaypro computer that I couldn't answer, never having seen one of these. But one of you sure knows. Leo Jormanainen <lexa(a)mail.island.net> wrote: >I have what appears to be a KAYPRO 286 motherboard on a full length 16bit >ISA card. >The CPU is a N80L286-12/S, 815DH31 AMD (M) INTEL 1982. >It has two AMD Bios's marked 81-1748 & 49, 1988 KAYPRO. >Facing the chip side, on the left are 8 memory slots. At the left top are a >9 pin connector >and beside it is a 4 pin connector with the center two clipped.. On the >right top it has a 4 >pin connector with one connector clipped. There is a red (reset)?? button >on the end plate. >It plugs into a standard full length ISA slot. >Question, What do I have and what are the connectors for? I'd love to see >this work! >Can I plug this into a empty motherboard and power it up, first I need to >know how the >connectors are hooked up.

23 years, 6 months

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Compenents Source?

by kentborg＠borg.org

In olden days I would go to Radio Shack, but that doesn't work anymore, so I though I would ask here. Anyone know where I could find a small, cheap, low power, amplified, battery powered speaker? Back when I would have bought a "telephone amplifier", but in 2002 I can't immedaitely find such a thing. Thanks, -kb, the Kent who is thinking he might need to buy something like a portable radio (do they still exist?) and hack it.

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Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printer find

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> > > > > > Heh. Mexican speed wrench... > > > > > > Funny, I've always heard it referred to as a *Kentucky* speed > > > wrench ;>) > > > > I like that even better! But down yonder, they have > > to be carefull with them, after all, they *really* > > hurt when they're dropped on bare feet... > > Same thing in KY ;>) That what I meant! Barefoot Kentuckians! -dq

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HP2000 availability/nomenclature

by mgortych＠ntplx.com

oooo, good one.....lemme guess...I bet you had to csave the file first?

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HP2000 availability/nomenclature

by mgortych＠ntplx.com

Rick, You are correct! This command set remains one of my all time favorites. I just wonder who was the engineer who developed that command. We had a drum storage device on our 2000 and it spun a bearing one day and made a very loud squealing sound that scared the bejesus out of us. Before it died, I did have the opportunity to sanctify and desicrate several files. If you have any other 2000 tidbits like this one, please post them. Thanks! Mike

23 years, 6 months

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Lithium/Lithium-ion batteries

by mhstein＠usa.net

I recharge primary alkalines all the time; roughly doubles their life, although useful time before they need recharging drops substantially. Can't let them run down too far though, gotta recharge 'em while there's still life left, sort of the opposite of NiCads.. mike -------------------Original Message------------------- From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: Lithium/Lithium-ion batteries <snip> Incidentally, another statement often made which is also incorrect is 'Do not recharge alkaline batteries'. It's intended to apply to the primary alkaline batteries like Duracells. But, of course, the NiCd (and other) batteries use an alkaline electrolyte and those are designed to be recharged. - -tony

23 years, 6 months

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Burroughs & adding machines

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> > I believe that in actual fact, Burroughs, after a few years of > night-and-day work on his mechanical calculator design, including tossing > one finished prototype out a second story window in frustration, patented > the *application* of a hydraulic damper to the actuator crank. His > problem was that if the actuator lever was pulled down by the operator > too quickly, the machine would jam very destructively. This 'bug' very > nearly killed the product in the early market. He added what amounts to a > small shock absorber to the crank lever, slowing it down enough so the > machine could operate efficiently but not be overdriven. Then, there was > no stopping it and the rest is well-known. I certainly don't mean to question your word, but can you provide specific references? Material published by William S. Burroughs (references available upon request) indicate that the problem was that *exactly* the proper amount of pressure had to be applied to the actuator lever in order to produce a correct result, which was nearly impossible. The hydraulic piston ensured that the same force was delivered to the machine no matter how much pressure was applied (as long as it was enough to depress the lever). This gave the Burroughs machine a huge advantage over competing products (several of which existed at the time and all had the same problem), and allowed it to capture the market. > Now, just a sec, I wanna check my spelling, grammar, syntax, > orthography, references, style, Flesch Rating, .... No shit, this list is a real shark tank these days when it comes to precision in expression ;>) Glen 0/0

23 years, 6 months

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Moon Patrol?

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello, Awhile back I bought a copy of Atari Moon Patrol for the PC on Ebay. The disk doesn't work, and I can't fix it with Norton Disk Doctor. Does anyone have a copy they could send to me? I looked on the internet and all I can find is roms for emulation use. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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Burroughs & adding machines (was Re: Language and English)

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

[John Lawson wrote] > > I believe that in actual fact, Burroughs, after a few years of > > night-and-day work on his mechanical calculator design, including > > tossing one finished prototype out a second story window in frustration, > > patented the *application* of a hydraulic damper to the actuator crank. [John Allain replied] > This is an interesting and worthy topic. > Just enter "William Seward Burroughs" into a search engine to > verify what John said. That's the name of both the calculator > inventor and the writer, but the writer seldom used his middle > name, making it a good search string. I just did that and came up with this site http://www.invent.org/book/book-text/17.html which contradicts Mr. Lawson's "destructive jam" theory (no offense to John L.) and supports the ideas I put forth in my previous post. Glen -- William S. Burroughs fan since 1973 0/0

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Movie making and distributed robotics

by Golemancd＠aol.com

never heard of qnx. will check it out

23 years, 6 months

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Movie making and distributed robotics

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Golemancd(a)aol.com > the idea is to have the robot take care of itself. just refer to the master os > for references and instructions. master os will be used like a server. > server of info, directions, traffic directions , scripts, etc. like a > co-ordinator. > to direct everything that is going on. > for example like a forman on a building site. > the forman gives everyone their job and they go to it. > if there are any questions you refer back to him. > or when you are finished your job, you refer to him > and he gives you another one. > and the forman monitors everything in progress. > if he sees something that isnt going correctly, > he may step in and give other instructions. QNX is a perfect solution for this since it's real-time and has great interprocess communication built in. Or, maybe you'd prefer to cook up an OS from scratch. Glen 0/0

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Any AMIGA users?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com] > I am unaware of such a thing as a hard sectored drive. It is a > controller function. So the sector holes are in exactly the same place as the index hole? > Change the controller card - and the operating system to > support it. It > has been done. I imagined it may have... especially with what I've seen done to a Northstar. :) > > Actually you might be able to get by with it in a high density > > drive, given some way of attaching the disk to the "spindle" of the > > drive, and provided that you didn't really want to keep the disk > > anyway (or possibly the drive!), and if you were willing to write > > mind-numbingly useless special-purpose software. Otherwise, I hear > > that CompatiCard will drive an 8" floppy ;) > As will a conventional AT FDC. Trouble is, most of them won't > read/write single-density (FM). However, some of the XT class clone > controllers with an onboard BIOS and selectable BIOS address > will drive > an 8" drive and do both FM and MFM. I think it was Fred in a previous post who said that CompatiCard would indeed do FM, but it's early and I'm too lazy to check right now. :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Fwd: COMPUTER

by cfandt＠netsync.net

Folks, Could anybody help Mr. Heaton with his search for info? Contact him directly, of course, at "Bob Heaton <wb4jpz1(a)strato.net>". Thanks much , Chris NNNN -- -- >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 >Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 08:16:55 -0500 >Reply-To: Bob Heaton <wb4jpz1(a)strato.net> >Sender: Boat Anchor Owners and Collectors List ><BOATANCHORS(a)LISTSERV.TEMPE.GOV> >From: Bob Heaton <wb4jpz1(a)strato.net> >Subject: COMPUTER >To: BOATANCHORS(a)LISTSERV.TEMPE.GOV > >Higuys > > Have just come into posession of a couple (2) really nice little computers. > They are basically portable, but require 115 ac AND a telephone line. > Each is in a nice carrying case, and has a fold down key board. > > The ID plate says > INFORMER computer terminal > model 207 102 V.22 P/N 990-0KI VO-20 > Pala Drive > Garden Grove CA 92641 USA > 714-891-1112 >Attemps via snail-mail and twisted pair have been un-sucessful ,seems like >they just dropped off the face of the earth. Both units power up...pushing >buttons from F1 thru F24 display menu screens and programing formats. > >Any one have an idea where I could find a manual, of information on these >guys ? Sure would like to get them >set up to do something useful . > >Please E-mail to: >Bob Heaton >wb4jpz1(a)strato.net > >----------------------------------------------------------- >This list is a public service of the City of Tempe, Arizona >----------------------------------------------------------- > >Subscription control - http://www.tempe.gov/lists/control.asp?listATANCHORS >To post - BOATANCHORS(a)LISTSERV.TEMPE.GOV >Archives - http://interactive.tempe.gov/archives/BOATANCHORS.html Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/

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[GreenKeys] TTY stuff available (fwd)

by jpl15＠panix.com

Forwarded for the attention of DownUnder listmembers; for possible rescue / cross-pollenization purposes. J. PS: Huw Davies.. is this near you? Macquarie University... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:09:06 +1100 (EST) From: Ray Robinson <robinson(a)shlrc.mq.edu.au> Reply-To: greenkeys(a)mailman.qth.net To: greenkeys(a)mailman.qth.net Subject: [GreenKeys] TTY stuff available Hi Gang, Just got this notice of some stuff available. Available Melbourne Asutralia. I don't need it. Perhaps I'll just ask for the picture atpes to sent to RTTYART. Regards RAy vk2ilv ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 20:19:58 +1100 From: Peter Fraser <2pjfraser(a)optushome.com.au> X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: robinson(a)shlrc.mq.edu.au Subject: TTY stuff Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ray I'm cleaning out my garage and I have some TTY stuff I just don't want any more. [snip] I have: Siemens Model 100 with tape punch and reader. I can't remember if it works. May be good for parts. VZ300 computer and RTTY modem kit. Lots of pictures on punch tape. Motor driven tape winder (good for collecting tape as it comes out of the machine. Hand driven tape winder. 3 or 4 rolls of tape to suit M100. Some rolls of paper to suit M100 Let me know if you can think of a home for it otherwise it all goes to the tip. 73 Peter VK3ZPF ------------- End Forwarded Message ------------- Regards Ray Robinson VK2ILV Electronic Engineer robinson(a)shlrc.mq.edu.au Speech Hearing and Language Research Centre 612-98508765 ph School of Linguistics and Psychology 612-98509199 fax Macquarie University North Ryde 2109 Sydney NSW AUSTRALIA web page http://www.shlrc.mq.edu.au/~robinson _______________________________________________ GreenKeys mailing list GreenKeys(a)mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys

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Windows 3.11 disks

by bfranchuk＠jetnet.ab.ca

I had posted earlier about needing 3.11 disks for a friend. The said 'free' computer seems to have ran out of 'magic smoke' and is no longer running. I want to thank everybody for the help with the 3.11 disks. -- Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu * www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html

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HP2000 availability/nomenclature

by mgortych＠ntplx.com

Well I gotta say it's great that someone out there is getting a 2000 up and running! I used to work at HP and know a few good hardware guys who might be willing to help you out. Also, if your interested I could ask a few of my old friends to scour their attics and basements for any paper tapes, sleep/hib tapes, or manuals for you...let me know. Also, I have a trivia question for you...what commands were used to add and remove files from the drum disk drive? Mike

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PDP-11 memory question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 6, 17:52, Tom Leffingwell wrote: > On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Pete Turnbull wrote: > > > Many of the QBus processors have a set of terminators on the CPU card, > I guess this explains why my system has no BDV11 board in it. Although it > doesn't completely work either. What doesn't work about it? What's on the backplane apart from your 11/23 and MSV11-L, and in what order? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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PDP-11 DRV11-B question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 6, 17:58, Tom Leffingwell wrote: > > Does anyone have a list of the function of the switch settings on > the PDP DRV11-B / M7950 card? The smaller switch, S1, controls the vector. S1-1 to S1-8 correspond to bits 9 to 2 of the vector, respectively. ON sets a '1' in the corresponding bit position. Default is OFF, OFF, OFF, ON, OFF, ON, OFF, ON = 00010101 which gives a vector of 000124. The larger switch, S2, controls the base address. The DRV11-B has 5 registers, with factory-standard addresses as follows: WCR Word Count Register 772410 BAR Bus Address Register 772412 CSR Control and Status Register 772414 IDBR Input Data Buffer Register 772416 ODBR Output Data Buffer Register 772420 Note that the CSR is not the first address. S2-1 to S2-10 correspond to bits 12 to 3 in the base address. ON sets a '1' in the corresponding bit position. Bits 15-13 are fixed at '1'. Default is ON, OFF, ON, OFF, ON, OFF, OFF, OFF, OFF, ON = 1010100001, which gives 172410 (corresponds to 772410 with 18-bit addressing). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Dilog DQ614 - Third Chapter

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 6, 22:32, SP wrote: > * Somebody spoke about a possible modification of the U55 chip. If that was me, I picked the wrong chip. The one that's usually changed, to give a different address, is the PROM at U38, 91265D -> 91578A. > 25U-91353 > 69U-91354A > 64U-91355 > 21U-91356 > 22U-91357 > 55U-91358 Those all look standard to me. Anyone else got a DQ614 to compare? > The question is: Could be used some XXDP diagnostic to determine > the possible problem of the board that I told in my previous message > about it ? It might work. It might not. The DEC diagnostics make use of specific facilities in the RLV (QBus) controllers that aren't in the RL (Unibus) controllers, and may or may not be in a 3rd party device. The early diagnostics only cover RL01s and RL11/RLV11: ZRLA?? Controller Test Part 1 ZRLB?? Controller Test Part 2 ZRLC?? Drive Test Part 1 ZRLD?? Drive Test Part 2 ZRLE?? Performance Exerciser ZRLF?? Compatibility Test where ?? means any revision (a single letter) and any patch level (single digit), as usual for XXDP. The Performance Exerciser would probably work *once the disk is formatted*, as it just does a lot of read/write/seek tests. The compatibility test is pointless for a DQ614 as it tests moving packs between drives. The later diagnostics are for RLO1s or RL02s and RL11/RLV11/RLV12. There's an extra program to allow you to read and write the Bad Sector Table which exists on a real RL02: ZRLG?? Controller Test Part 1 ZRLH?? Controller Test Part 2 ZRLI?? Drive Test Part 1 ZRLJ?? Drive Test Part 2 ZRLK?? Performance Exerciser ZRLL?? Compatibility Test ZRLM?? Bad Sector Utility Finally, there's a pair of diskless tests written specifically to cope with differences between Unibus and QBus controllers: VRLA?? Diskless Test 1 VRLB?? Diskless Test 2 -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Let me try this again

by mranalog＠attbi.com

Someone privately wrote: > Sorry I dont use Winblowz. However, if you send > me a copy of those I'll convert them to a pdf > for you. I gave the filename to both Jay West and Hans B Pufal so the files should be available soon and anyone can grab them. I'm limited to email attachments of 2MB or less. And even uploading them to my web site took 17 minutes at 145 Kbps. Actually, I asked about compression and generating .PDFs for use with other documents I have scanned. I'm up to my hips in scanned pages from manuals that I would love to compress and wrap. I hate sending someone scanned pages to use as a reference. Regards, --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog Analogrechner, calculateur analogique, calcolatore analogico, analoogrekenaar, komputer analogowy, analog bilgisayar, kampiutere ghiyasi, analoge computer. =========================================

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7/01/97 ClassicCmp FAQ - Part 1

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 6, 15:37, Ben Franchuk wrote: > Pete Turnbull wrote: > > suspect that's because the 'bot is too good, and it's actually hard to post > > as a newcomer, so interest has dropped off. The last few times I tried to > > post, my posts bounced, and attempts to contact the human moderators > > failed. Maybe I was just unlucky. > I suspect the bot was there because of all the OT 'PC' posts - buy a > pentium > abc computer.The news group is still active, as there was a posting > yesterday. achh died because of the huge number of posts from people who had bought a motherboard, case, and video card and wanted help to make it work. We referred to them as those who belonged on "alt.fix.my.peecee" or similar. There were some amazing arguments between newcomers, who thought such lamers should get a polite answer including a solution, and veterans who argued that doing so reduced the S/N ratio and encouraged even more OT crap, and that people should read the guidelines. Doubtless some members of classiccmp will remember Leon Heller. And, yes, that is exactly why the 'bot was employed (it had been tried on achh, but since that wasn't moderated, it had to be a retro-active cancelbot, rather than an approvalbot). As for active, well, yes, I saw the post. And all the others; there must have been at least ten posts in the last 6 months. Not a very busy group these days :-( -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Toshiba T3200SX Question

by CLeyson＠aol.com

In a message dated 05/01/02 mhstein(a)usa.net writes: > I've got a T3100e, so this may be irrelevant, but FWIW: > > Just had to replace the Li battery in mine; cost $15 > the last time, $25 today. Since there was just enough > room in there for 2 alkaline AAs in a holder, I thought > I'd give that a try; seems to be working fine so far, > despite being only 3V instead of 3.6V. Thanks for the tip Mike. I had intended to fit some NiCds but opted for two AAA alkaline cells. They've done the job and fit nicely under the keyboard. > Re the HD: when mine failed a few years back, I heard > lots of info that it was an ST-512 drive with a special > connector. Apparently not; installed a standard 80Mb > (MB? mb? mB? :) IDE drive, Disk Manager to get around > the fixed drive type, and Bob's your uncle. > > Good luck with the cleanup. > > mike > Luckily the HD is OK. The floppy drive occasionally throws up seek errors and I haven't been able to clean all of the crud off the head stepper motor. I've found a source of replacement drives in the UK and at very reasonable prices. Cleaned up the mother board with warm water, detergent and a stiff brush, then let it bake in the oven at 70C for an hour. Had to use a small grinder and a wire brush on some of the metal work. Installed DOS and I now have a happy computer :-) Best Regards Chris

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Some pointers needed on a 11/70

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 6, 21:44, The Wanderer wrote: > Pete Turnbull wrote: > I actually did mean that I exchanged them for 2 other, identical boards. Ah, I see. Sorry, I made the wrong interpretation there :-) > I did, all the jumpers are where the are supposed to be. OK. From what you've written there, and a few other places, I assume you have some manuals and/or printsets? > At the bottom of the console in the metal fram, there is a small > pushbutton made which leads directly to the M9312 tab1 & tab2. > This looks like a 'push button' bootstrap and the previous owner > made it apparently to have a quick (re)start of the machine when > needed. That makes sense. On an M9312, it simulates a power-down and then power-up. > > > Also memory location 400000 through 477777 are accessible via the > > > console and > > > I can dump data and read from it. > > > > That's an unusual address, and it's only 32K bytes (16KW). You said you > > had two 64KW boards. What type are they? They probably have switches to > > set their base addresses. Are these set correctly? It would be worth > > There are 2 M8728 boards in the memory box. Are they M8728-AA or M8728-CA? The latter is only 16KW. The easy way to tell the difference, if there's no -A or -C beside the number, is that on etch revision B and higher, the 64KW board is fully populated with 64K DRAM, while the 16KW is only partly populated. I suspect there might once have been a fully-populated 16KW version that used 4K DRAMs, though. I was, no surprise to anyone, wrong about their having switches -- showing my ignorance about the specifics of 11/70's. Most of the things I've written are gleaned from the meagre information in one or two of the processor handbooks, or from my (incomplete) collection of microfiche. Anyway, the memory box has switches on the front (and I assume you've checked those?) but as far as I can see from the 'fiche, the memory card base addresses depend only on their position in the box. So the two cards have to be adjacent, and nearest the other cards, I think. Do you agree? It looks as though the box might be set to the wrong address -- 400000 is 131072 decimal, or 128K -- and is only showing 16KW (32KB) of memory. I don't know how you set the address of the box, though. > > > At 344 (addr) and 116 in the data display. No idea if this a valid value > > > though... [...] > It is the 23-233F1 diag rom. OK, I've found some data (actually the listing) for that ROM. It's assembled at 165000 (but it looks like position-independant code, so that's possibly not its real address). It ends at 165776, ie 1000 bytes (octal) later. It is indeed an 11/70 diagnostic ROM for the M9312, probably just a later version than the 23-616F1 my other docs refer to. The docs say there's no way to enter the diagnostics directly, only by entering a bootstrap at the "run with diagnostics" address. They suggest that would be 173006/173206/173406/173606 depending on whether you're booting from a bootstrap ROM in socket 1, 2, 3 or 4. The docs also say that when the 11/70 powers up (or you press a boot switch attached to TP1 and TP2 on the M9312), it loads the PC from address 773024, and PSW from 773026. And indeed every boot ROM has a reserved word at that address for the PC, followed by 000340, which is the usual interrupt mask to set in the PSW for booting. Every ROM has code (opcode SEC) starting at 173x04 leading to a BCC BDIAG at 173020. In every boot ROM, that branch goes to an absolute jump, JMP @#DIAG, which in turn leads to a PC-relative jump at absolute address 165564, which goes to 165000 (the actual code is 165564 000167 177210 DIAG: JMP START). Why do you think address 777644 is the diagnostics ROM start address? All the 11/70 tests halt on error (unlike the CPU diagnostics for the 11/34 and other processors, which loop on error). The first section tests assorted instructions that needn't to use memory, the secondary CPU tests use the stack (R6 set to 000776). However, the very first instructions in the diagnostics code store registers at 000700...000704, and use 000706 to hold a flag which tells the code whether it's running on an 11/60 or an 11/70. If the memory isn't working, this will cause problems later in the diagnostics. Address 165344 is one of the error halts partway through the secondary CPU tests (assuming the diag ROM starts at 165000). What it does is set SP=776, then does a PC-relative JSR to the address 2 ahead of where it is. The code there checks to see if the top of the stack contains the correct return address, and should halt at 165326 if it doesn't (it should halt at 165320 if the JSR didn't execute). If it does see the correect return address, it adjusts the stack contents, does an RTS, ending up at 165342. At 165342, it pushes a zero and an address on the stack and then tests RTI. 165344 is the address of the push instruction, and 165350 is the RTI. That's folowed by a jump to the next test, which is the memory-sizing routine. So having it loop until you stop it, and then halt at some address ending in 344 doesn't make much sense to me. Either you're not starting at a sensible address, or there's something wrong that is sending it into a loop. That could be a CPU fault, or maybe (I've not read all the cache test code) something to do with not having memory between 000700 and 001000. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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7/01/97 ClassicCmp FAQ - Part 1

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 6, 11:20, John Allain wrote: > (comp.arch.hobbyist) > > The last few times I tried to post, my posts bounced > > -- Pete T > > Well, I must say, Pete, that your posts here are among > the most valuable, from my point of view. <blush> Thank you! They'd be even better if I learned to always engage the brain before putting the keyboard in gear... -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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7/01/97 ClassicCmp FAQ - Part 1

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 5, 23:24, Lanny Cox wrote: > I loved alt.comp.hardware.homebuilt... only lurked there, but it was > sweet... are there any newer alternatives out there these days? You probably remember that the rapidly-increasing number of off-topic posts led to a variety of attempted solutions. That culminated in the creation of a moderated group, comp.arch.hobbyist. The moderation is done by a 'bot, with human backup, but the group traffic level is very low. I suspect that's because the 'bot is too good, and it's actually hard to post as a newcomer, so interest has dropped off. The last few times I tried to post, my posts bounced, and attempts to contact the human moderators failed. Maybe I was just unlucky. Anyway, you'll find the FAQ and charter on Mark Sokos' website, http://home.supernet.com/~sokos/cahfaq.htm although it's seriously out of date and a lot of the links are broken. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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FreeVMS

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

The actual idea was to create or assist with the creation of a completely "free" (GNU?) implementation of VMS that "looks and feels" just like the original. The next step was to port this version of FreeVMS to i386, VAX, and AXP. I've seen a few projects that have started or have stopped that attempt to achieve similar goals. - Matt At 07:46 PM 1/3/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Why not just get a VAX (or two or three?) > >Peace... Sridhar > >On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Ron Hudson wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 09:51:27 -0800 > > From: Ron Hudson <rhudson(a)cnonline.net> > > Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > Subject: Re: FreeVMS > > > > I for one, would LOVE to run a VMS look alike on my > > i386 machine (or at least one of my spare machines...) > > It would bring back younger days when I was an op on several > > vaxen. (also some dg and some apollo) > > > > please please please!!! : ^ ) > > > > > > > > Matthew Sell wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I know I'm going to open up a can of worms on this post, but my > > > curiosity is killing me.... > > > > > > > > > Now that I have OpenVMS 6.1 running on my VAX 4000, I'm curious about > > > the status of the various "FreeVMS" projects that are in progress (or so > > > it would seem....). > > > > > > Are any of these projects really in active development? Which projects > > > have the greatest potential for operation? I checked several sites > > > related to "FreeVMS", which actually seems to be a common name for > > > several different projects with different goals. > > > > > > I'd love to "cut my teeth" with kernel development after working with > > > Linux for several years. I personally think it would be neat to have an > > > accurate version of FreeVMS that would work on VAX, AXP, and i386 > > > (gulp!). When I say accurate, I mean that FreeVMS would respond the same > > > as VMS would for the various commands and peripherals. > > > > > > Some of you probably think it would be silly to take an i386 version of > > > FreeVMS and port it "back" to VAX and AXP, but it would be a neat way to > > > use FreeVMS, especially if the OpenVMS hobbyist program (or OpenVMS) > > > were to go away. > > > > > > Nuts? Probably. Neat? Yes! > > > > > > Here are links to the various FreeVMS projects I have visited: > > > > > > http://www.panix.com/~kingdon/free-vms.html > > > http://www.freevms.org/ > > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/freevms/ > > > > > > > > > - Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matthew Sell > > > Programmer > > > On Time Support, Inc. > > > www.ontimesupport.com > > > (281) 296-6066 > > > > > > Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! > > > http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi > > > > > > > > > "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad > > > "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler > > > > > > Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er... > > > > Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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Dilog DQ614 - Third Chapter

by spedraja＠ono.com

Hello. About the probes with the DILOG DQ614 over one PDP-11/23 PLUS with one MFM hard disk using the diagnostics program for these board, I have some matters to speak about: * Somebody spoke about a possible modification of the U55 chip. I have the reference of the chip mounted. It's the 55U-91358. In fact, the order number of some chips of the board is: 25U-91353 69U-91354A 64U-91355 21U-91356 22U-91357 55U-91358 The question is: Could be used some XXDP diagnostic to determine the possible problem of the board that I told in my previous message about it ? * I want to use another hard disk, one IBM MFM full height of 44 Mb. Is one Type 31 (for the IBM PC) disk. Somebody has the complete geometry of it ? I don't have it actually available in the BIOS of my PCs, but I suppose that one 486 or 386 could have it. Thanks and Greetings Sergio

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Some pointers needed on a 11/70

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 5, 23:41, The Wanderer wrote: > Pete Turnbull wrote: > I swapped the Unibus map and the cache control board, and the machine > behaves > apparently much better. Hmm.. Lots of DEC CPU backplanes have dedicated slots for various things, and the position/order of the boards is very important. I don't know if the 11/70 is like that, but I'd not be at all surprised if it were. Have you checked that everything is in exactly the right place? If you've removed any optional boards, have you checked in case any jumpers need replaced? > After pressing the bootstrap key (someone made a > small > switch between tabs 1 & 2 of the M9312) and it goes into a sort of loop > after > a second or so. Do you mean that someone swapped the wires from their normal places, or that someone added a switch that wouldn't normally be there? > When pressing halt, the address display ends in 344, > while the > data display shows 116. > > Also memory location 400000 through 477777 are accessible via the > console and > I can dump data and read from it. That's an unusual address, and it's only 32K bytes (16KW). You said you had two 64KW boards. What type are they? They probably have switches to set their base addresses. Are these set correctly? It would be worth trying just one, set to address zero, and see if that improves things. Start with the minimum in the system, and build it up as you get things working. > > That sounds encouraging. At least it seems to be running the diagnostic > > code. I think, though, that the address it halts at is what tells you what > > (if anything) failed the test. If you can tell where it halted, it may be > > able to look that up. > At 344 (addr) and 116 in the data display. No idea if this a valid value > though... It's an odd sort of address. I'd expect it to stop at an address in the ROM. If you had to halt it manually, it must have been running in a loop. Why that address, I have no idea, because according to the M9312 manual, it only runs code from ROM until it has booted some device. According to the M9312 manual, it runs various CPU instruction tests, then tests memory >from 1000 to as high as it can go (up to 28KW), then tests the cache. It will halt if it gets an error in any of the memory or cache tests, but you can press CONTINUE to ignore the fault and carry on. > > Do you have the manual for the M9312? There are several ROMs that might > Yes, the 9312 has the 233 type rom (11/70 diagnostic, so this is ok). All DEC ROM numbers begin 23-<something>. All DEC diagnostic PROM numbers end in F1. The correct bootstrap for a M9312 in an 11/70 is 23-616F1. If that's not what you've got, it's unlikely to work correctly. > Has the location of the available ram in my case anything to do with the > high address > limit register? According to the usermanual it is the high imit of the > memory, not > it starting address? Well, you ought to set it to the correct value, obviously, but I've no idea what would happen if you set it too high or too low. Yes, it's the high limit. > On the other hand, the starting address of 400000 can maybe also the > result of some > initial values in the unibus map registers? I think the bus init is supposed to set them to zeros. Of course, the map may be faulty. Normally each memory board has a switch pack to set its starting address. What type of board(s) do you have? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Movie making and distributed robotics

by Golemancd＠aol.com

maybe weapons. depend on what the bot is needed for. for defense it may have weapons,

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Movie making and distributed robotics

by Golemancd＠aol.com

i think you and i are saying the same thing. except i am putting more emphasis on the bot being self controlled with outside help. you are putting more emphasis on remote control with eventual self-control. the thing is; the brain is the easiest part. the brain of the bot will be self learning so each bot will learn as it goes as opposed to me having to do a lot of designing. Follow nature for ideas for example a little child has just enough knowledge to ask about what he or she doesnt know about. so each bot will know just enough to refer to the master os on whatever it doesnt know until it learns. it will be set up to sort , retain, recall various information. joee

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those who asked. golemancd pc collection

by Golemancd＠aol.com

i am in florida

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DECstation hardware guide

by meltlet＠fastmail.fm

Hello, does anyone know of a copy of the DECStation 3100 hardware guide (or whatever it is called) available online? Also, does anyone have a handle on a URL for a piccie of the backside of one of these beasts? Thanks for listening Alex -- melt meltlet(a)fastmail.fm

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Virtual Computer

by dedgrossman＠dsinw.com

I too had a Digicomp, which was more of a calculator than computer. Goto www.incolor.inetnebr.com/bill_r/computer_simulators.htm to see examples of other classic computers built virtually instead of replicating the entire kit with plastic and wire ;)

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PDP-11 memory question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 5, 16:34, Tom Leffingwell wrote: > On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Pete Turnbull wrote: > I did find on the MSV11-L > that X was connected to U. I'm not sure what U is for, but seemed to be > grounded, so I removed it, which I assume set the address back to 0. At > that point it started working. Yes, U is the ground for V...Z (K is the ground for L...P). X-U (with all other bank pins disconnected) gives a start address of 00100000 (32K, decimal). > How do I know whether or not I need to enable or disable I/O page > setting? I haven't tried to enable it on the MSV11-L, although it was > enabled on the MSV11-D before I removed it. What symptoms occur if its > set wrong? If you have any devices in the lower 2KW of the I/O page, you should disable memory access to that area. If you don't, you'll get a conflict when both the I/O device and the memory try to respond to the same address. However, not many small QBus systems have I/O devices in that address range (160000-167777). It's normal to leave the whole I/O page for I/O devices, and disable memory in that area, though. > > And that's the second thing. The MSV11-L doesn't use BBS7 for everything > > it decodes, so you have to set it according to whether it's in a 22-bit > > system or an 18-bit system. If there's a jumper from R-T, it's set for a > > 2MW system. Remove it for 128KW systems. > > I did find out that I have the 22-bit KDF11-A, although I haven't checked > the backplane yet. If the backplane is 22-bit, should put the R-T jumper > in the M8059? Does it matter if I only have 128KW of memory? I don't know; try it and see :-) I suspect if you set it to 18-bit mode and use it in a 22-bit system, it will respond to multiple addresses. If you set it to 22-bit mode and use it in an 18-bit system with no termination on the upper 4 lines, it may respond to noise on those lines and not turn on when it should. The bus signals are active low, so if there's no signal they should float high and read as zeros -- but life and bus systems are not always so predictable. OTOH, if you have a 22-bit processor, it's easy to upgrade the backplane by soldering four pieces of wire-wrap wire to bus the extra 4 address bits (and upgrade the BDV11 if necessaary). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Language and English

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Chris <mythtech(a)Mac.com> > Ugh.. try reading William Faulkner (I am pretty sure that is who it > was)... he has 3 page run on sentences... worst reading my poor dyslexic > brain ever had to deal with. Faulkner was an amateur. Try picking up "The Ticket That Exploded," "The Soft Machine," "The Job" or a number of other books by William S. Burroughs, and you'll find run-on sentences as long as 10 pages. (Yes, he's related to the Burroughs calculator and computer firms -- his grandfather invented the hydraulic piston which made the adding machine possible.) Glen 0/0

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Unix v6 and 11/23 - Success!

by spedraja＠ono.com

Congratulations for your advance. I have one PDP/11-23 PLUS with 128 Kwords of memory. I don't tried to boot it because I need to take my own RL02 from Germany where it's actually. But I use to startup this V6 distribution under Bob Supnik's SIMH v2.8-5. I've detected the panic problem in multiuser mode some months ago in my private hackings. I should agree to know all your advances and hacks in this aspect, please. Thanks and Greetings Sergio -----Mensaje original----- De: Kevin McQuiggin <mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca> Para: info-pdp11(a)village.org <info-pdp11(a)village.org> Fecha: domingo, 06 de enero de 2002 10:30 Asunto: Unix v6 and 11/23 - Success! >Hi All: > >Thanks for the assistance today. Thoughts about the DEC firmware wanting >a NOP in early bytes of sector 0 must have been correct. I was able to >get to ODT via the HALT button, and entered a 4 instruction bootstrap >(basically, read current sector into memory starting at 0 and wait), >halted the machine, entered "0G" via ODT, and watched with glee as Unix >came up. > >Some confusion ensued when I couldn't get it to work a second time, but >then I realized that due to the simplicity of the bootstrap, the heads >would have to be over sector 0 for this to work. Unloading and reloading >the pack reset the heads to sector zero, and the boot process is now >easily repeatable. A better bootstrap would help in the longer run. > >Single user mode comes up fine, I get a panic while trying to get it to >come up in multi-user, but it's great progress for the day. > >Thanks to all on the list who replied with suggestions. > >Kevin > > > >-- >Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD >mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca >---------- >To unsubscribe (or subscribe) from (to) this list, send a message to >info-pdp11-request(a)village.org, with the first line of the message >body being "unsubscribe" or "subscribe", respectively (without the quotes).

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Language and English

by mhstein＠usa.net

Well, I've only been on this list since October, but I think I've gotten a pretty good feel for the style and flavour in that short time, and all in all it's a great resource, informative (although, like you, I spend a lot of time scrolling through the DEC stuff :), and often a lot of fun to read. Actually Sellam is one of my favourite posters; his comments are usually quite appropriate and I really appreciate his often acerbic, no BS style; he apparently values his time (and mine, as the reader), whereas a number of people on this list apparently have a great deal more time available than I do (and that's not a criticism; in fact I envy them). No problem with the 'A' word either, especially when used self-deprecatingly or as a warning to me that if I say something foolish I might not be treated with gentle understanding and kindness; I am surprised though, that people as intelligent as everyone on this list seems to be would not find a more sophisticated way to show their contempt for someone else's opinions than to just call them names (and seriously mean it as far as I can tell). Just my C$.02 worth; as a newbie here I've got no business judging anybody. But as a newbie, I do want to add something FWIW: The original replies to Joee made the point that his way of expressing himself might backfire, in that someone who might have something useful (to Joee) to contribute might either just skip over his posts or judge that he wasn't 'worthy' of their help. Then the replies to those replies suggested that if we alienate Joee we might lose out on something _he_ might have to contribute. Well, speaking for myself, although I too was mildly annoyed by Joee's style and _apparent_ attitude, I wasted more time on and was more annoyed by the subsequent squabbling, although the _serious_ discussions of language were interesting for the most part. Joee himself must be rolling on the floor laughing over what he stirred up; reminds me of the story of the person who was incorrectly diagnosed as retarded for 2 years ("And they called ME retarded!") I do love the irony that while there's lengthy discussion over whether it's appropriate to type without caps, there's little interest in whether it's appropriate to call someone an asshole - style over content, sign of the times... My point (at last!) is this: When I first started looking around for a place to find takers for the 30 year accumulation of hardware, software and documentation I am getting rid of, this list stood out among the many others as an intelligent and fairly (but not too) serious and intelligent place; if I'd run across it a few days ago, I would have passed it by as just another list where people spend more time yakking and flaming each other than discussing computers and helping each other, because the people who have relevant things to contribute either remain quiet and invisible, or their posts are buried among the other stuff. Maybe, just maybe, there are other people who could make substantial contributions to this list and vintage computer collecting in general who'd feel the same way, despair of finding a suitable place to post, and move on or just toss out their stuff and whatever resources or expertise they may have. I like your idea of separate lists, in fact I am on a list that does just that; one list for the actual purpose of the list, and another for OT threads, rambling, ranting and raving. Works very well for me; I have a choice whether to just quickly read the important stuff in case there's something urgent to reply to, or grab a cuppa and 'socialize' for a while. Oops, this rant's getting longer than even Richard's recent ones; just wanted to say that while we're certainly going to yak among old friends and ramble OT occasionally, maybe we should try to stand out among all the other lists and stop short of the point where someone new with something to contribute will pass us by and write us off as just another bunch of assholes... mike Incidentally, Lawrence, I haven't gotten any replies to my off-list messages to you about the books & NetCommander; are you getting them or is there a problem? -----------------------Original Message------------------------- From: "Lawrence Walker" <lgwalker(a)mts.net> Subject: Re: Language and English As a fellow Canjen. Welcome to the classiccomp mailing list. Hey if you want nit-picking and flames look back in the archives a couple of years ago. At that time Sellam was known as Sam and his sig included the disclaimer "occasional asshole" which I seem to have, in my own mind, at least, inherited. Cmon Sellam tell me to F.O.. If this happens I promise to nevemore trangress the OT rule. Unless neccessary. Lawrence

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Toshiba T3200SX Question

by mhstein＠usa.net

I've got a T3100e, so this may be irrelevant, but FWIW: Just had to replace the Li battery in mine; cost $15 the last time, $25 today. Since there was just enough room in there for 2 alkaline AAs in a holder, I thought I'd give that a try; seems to be working fine so far, despite being only 3V instead of 3.6V. Re the HD: when mine failed a few years back, I heard lots of info that it was an ST-512 drive with a special connector. Apparently not; installed a standard 80Mb (MB? mb? mB? :) IDE drive, Disk Manager to get around the fixed drive type, and Bob's your uncle. Good luck with the cleanup. mike

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Compenents Source?

by mhstein＠usa.net

As mentioned elsewhere, I'd recommend a cheap pair of computer speakers as well; trouble is, all the ones I've seen split the batteries between the two speakers, so it's tough to just use one. But if you're still looking & don't want to rebuild a portable radio (hard to find one with a speaker these days), I've got one or two of those RS powered speakers somewhere that you could have for next to nothing, depending on shipping cost. mike -----------------Original Message--------------- From: Kent Borg <kentborg(a)borg.org> Subject: Compenents Source? In olden days I would go to Radio Shack, but that doesn't work anymore, so I though I would ask here. Anyone know where I could find a small, cheap, low power, amplified, battery powered speaker? Back when I would have bought a "telephone amplifier", but in 2002 I can't immedaitely find such a thing. Thanks,

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Movie making and distributed robotics

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>The effects 1) Mat backgrounds 2) CG effects 3)anamatronic are so >good you can't see any flaws when they switch shots between formats. >In the version narrated by the special effects people you get all the >details. Cool... I will have to check it out. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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PS/2 Memory

by ajwotherspoon＠shaw.ca

Two sticks of memory pulled from a dead IBM PS2/57: One piece, with 9 chips per side, is from IBM and is labelled: UY IBM091 8M 70NS P P/N 71F7011 FRU 64F3606 Two of the chips are covered with paper labels; the other 16 chips are all marked (very faintly): IBM 0169216 53 70 Q 312145800 The other piece, with 12 chips per side, is marked: Front: PIICEON SR8192PS Back: GTS12 94V0 16 (8 on each side) of the chips are Micron Technology 4C4001JDJ-7. 8 (4 on each side) of the chips are Motorola MCM511000AJ70. Pictures of both pieces, front and back, are at http://members.shaw.ca/ajwotherspoon/ps2. Each of the two images is 0.5mb. Unable to test. Therefore AS IS. Yours for US$10 (or offer) for the pair plus the shipping cost (Canada Post or courier service) (and insurance if desired) from Victoria, BC, Canada. Alex

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Crescent wrenches (was: Nomenclature (was: NEXT Color Printerfind

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Douglas Quebbeman <dhquebbeman(a)theestopinalgroup.com> > > > Heh. Mexican speed wrench... > > > > Funny, I've always heard it referred to as a *Kentucky* speed > > wrench ;>) > > I like that even better! But down yonder, they have > to be carefull with them, after all, they *really* > hurt when they're dropped on bare feet... Same thing in KY ;>) Glen 0/0

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Movie making and distributed robotics

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>> > Watching Jurassic Park 3, A 10,000 HP 43 foot long robot dinosaur >> > does a lot of damage just by walking not to mention its bite. >> > Who needs weapons :) Movie studios don't generally make any "puppets" that are THAT big. If it is entirely anamatronic, then it is probably done on scale. Something of that size would be limited to basic movements, and probably not for a movie prop. They would just build dinosaur "parts" (sets and props are never made to more than what the camera sees anyway). >Watch the movie Jurassic park #3, the T-rex had his head chewed >off by the new 'king' of the dinosaurs. The special effects >people put in some REALLY big beasts. But by #3 were these still anamatronic, or entirely CG? (even #1 was a good chunk CG, but I haven't seen #2 or #3, so I can't give my opinions on the "look" of it). I would think by the 3rd, the only scenes that still had "real" dinosaurs would be close ups of the actors interacting directly with the beast. However, these kinds of things ARE built for outside of the movie industry. Ever been to Disney's Animal Kingdom? They have a "Dinosaur Adventure" ride (or some name to that effect). That has a few "full size" dinosaurs in it, and they do some basic movements. (Although, if you ever get to walk the track, I would think you will find they are not truly life size, but rather use forced perspective to make them look bigger than they really are). They are probably fairly fragile as far as the skin is concerned... but I wouldn't want to get caught up in their skeleton while it is operating... I'm sure it could take a limb off with ease. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Movie making and distributed robotics

by Golemancd＠aol.com

the idea is to have the robot take care of itself. just refer to the master os for references and instructions. master os will be used like a server. server of info, directions, traffic directions , scripts, etc. like a co-ordinator. to direct everything that is going on. for example like a forman on a building site. the forman gives everyone their job and they go to it. if there are any questions you refer back to him. or when you are finished your job, you refer to him and he gives you another one. and the forman monitors everything in progress. if he sees something that isnt going correctly, he may step in and give other instructions. joee

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Some pointers needed on a 11/70

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 15:40, The Wanderer wrote: > > There are various things done by the power-up bootstrap diagnostic > True, I have re-read the M9312, and at address 777644 is the diagnostics > rom start > address. When I load this address and then set 012 in the switch reg, > for some > moments it is blinking leds, and then lets the pause light on. There is > no sensible > address/error code shown at the console which should indicate a diag > failure. Are you sure about that address? According to my M9312 manual (microfiche), the correct start address for 11/70 diagnostics (23-616F1 PROM) is 765744. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Language and English

by mhstein＠usa.net

Well, I DO want to nitpick; never thought I'd come to Dick's defense, but nothing wrong with *E*.*E*. Cummings AFAIK: http://www.gvsu.edu/english/cummings/caps.htm Any statistics available on what percentage of text on this list actually concerns computers? Often amusing and occasionally interesting though; particularly ironic that almost all replies criticizing spelling, etc. also contained at least one typo or spelling/grammar error... (not to mention Doc's 'e.e' criticism) C'mon, guys (since the gals are obviously more mature), isn't this getting a little nasty for a friendly group like this? Free speech, diversity of opinions, yes, but do we need words like a**hole? mike (In .ca despite usa.net address :) -----------------Original Message--------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 11:05:43 -0600 (CST) From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> Subject: Re: Language and English On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Richard Erlacher wrote: <snip> > If you insist on writing in a style reminiscent of E. E. Cummings poetry, > you may find that your messages are read by readers of this forum with about > the same frequency as E.E. Cummings' work, which might be a shame, in case > you really do have something significant to contribute. or in case I'm the > only one who doesn't read much Cummings. Nah, I like ee cummings. And not to nitpick, but your rendering of his name is incorrect. <snip> I submit further that none of the mortals on the classiccmp list have evolved to that literary level. *** Umm... a somewhat sweeping generalization... mike *** <snip> Doc

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Language and English

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>If you have problems reading some things, try to keep that in mind when you >write. Others may have problems as well. Make it easy for them to see what >you mean in what you write by taking a little extra care. It's important. >Learn to do it well. I just think some people need to realize that sometimes, what you get is the best a person can do. I'm not defending a lack of use of punctuation or capitalization, or anything like that (re: the emails this thread is about... I agree they should have had better care taken when being written)... but with generally poor writing, particularly when you find the same person doing it over and over... you just have to accept that that MIGHT be the best they are capable of. And you might want to ease up a bit on them... since the bitching may very well be taken as a direct insult to their intelligence level... and is apt not to fix the problem, but rather cause a nasty conflict. I mean, how would some of you feel, if you asked about some unknown classic computer part, and were told "you must be some kind of dumb ass to not know what that is... anyone who has half a brain in their head would know this". But then, if your writing sucks because you are lazy... well, you should just be taken out and shot... or at least deserve to be insulted for it. Just my thoughts. And no, I myself have not been insulted by ANYTHING that has ever been said on this list, much less the recent discussions... including all the bashing I took over the crescent wrench incident... but then, I am think skinned (or was that think headed), and it takes far more than a bunch of emails to offend me (kick me in the nuts... I might be offended... call me a dumb ass... I am likely to agree with you) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Some pointers needed on a 11/70

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 15:40, The Wanderer wrote: > Pete Turnbull wrote: > > On Jan 2, 21:08, <quapla(a)xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > > > I'm sure there must be people on the list who know more about 11/70s than I > > do, but since no-one else has replied yet... > > > Until know, you're the only one..... Oh dear, I've only seen one once. > > Is the memory powered up and connected? At the right address (you must > Yes, it is running, and all the leds are on, except one red led (battery > power > available?). > There is 128KW of memory (in 2 64Kw boards) > > > have some memory in the lowest 28KW to start up)? Is the cache working? > How do I know if the cache is working? Good question. I'm not sure, I think it's tested by the diagnostics on the bootstrap card. I think it's possible to disable it but I don't know how. It may be in one of the processor handbooks, which I can look up tomorrow. That's where I checked the value for the LSR and USR. > > There are various things done by the power-up bootstrap diagnostic > True, I have re-read the M9312, and at address 777644 is the diagnostics > rom start > address. When I load this address and then set 012 in the switch reg, > for some > moments it is blinking leds, and then lets the pause light on. There is > no sensible > address/error code shown at the console which should indicate a diag > failure. That sounds encouraging. At least it seems to be running the diagnostic code. I think, though, that the address it halts at is what tells you what (if anything) failed the test. If you can tell where it halted, it may be able to look that up. Do you have the manual for the M9312? There are several ROMs that might be on it, with different device bootstraps, and I think there are at least two diagnostics PROM options: one for 11/70 and one for other Unibus machines. I could be wrong about that, of course; I might be confusing it with the multiplicity of variants of the M9301. I just happen to have an M9301-YC >from an 11/70. > On the M8132 is a switchblock (1 of 3) which is - according to the doc- > the > lsw, I have set it to 1M, I suspect that should be set to the actual memory size. Anyone else know anything about 11/70's? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Movie making and distributed robotics

by Golemancd＠aol.com

an os to run the apps as fast as they can run. no far calls. maybe no swapping. a dual mode os where i can single task to squeeze as much performance out as i can and also switch to mutitasking when needed. i robotics os would be to run hundreds of robots. like a theme park run entirelly by bots where the robots repair the other bots. the system would do diagnostics on all the bot like a bios does on a pc to see if all the hardware is working. also the give vision to the bot. also many other functions. joee

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Toshiba T3200SX Question

by CLeyson＠aol.com

On Sat, 5 Jan 2002 tothwolf(a)concentric.net wrote: >> BTW, I worked with a guy who accidentally recharged an AA sized >> Lithium battery. It left shrapnel in the wall and he is still slighty >> deaf in one ear. >Do I dare ask *how* one accidentally recharges a lithium battery? By powering a battery powered PCB from a bench supply and forgetting to remove the battery jumper. Careless. Chris

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Lithium/Lithium-ion batteries

by CLeyson＠aol.com

In a message dated 05/01/02 bshannon(a)tiac.net (Bob Shannon) writes: >Lithium Ion (secondary) batteries are rechargable >Lithium (primary) batteries are not rechargable. >Recharging lithium ion batteries in laptops is a very complex operation, and >a somewhat dangerous one as well. A conventional 18650 Lilion battery cell >has a substancial explosive yield, if mistreated! Bob is quite right, the exploding battery referred to in an earlier post was a standard (primary) cell. Personally I tend to avoid Lithium batteries at all costs, firstly, for the reasons given above and secondly, they're probably the least environmentally friendly. I'm just glad that PC manufacturers use EERAM these days. BTW, the Toshiba laptop has been thoroughly cleaned and reassembled :-( Chris

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PDP-11 memory question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Jan 4, 13:35, Ethan Dicks wrote: > --- Tom Leffingwell <tom(a)sba.miami.edu> wrote: > > > > I have a PDP 11/23 (M8186 CPU with floating point and MMU options) > > in a 4 slot BA11-MA box that at some point in its life was an 11/03. It > > had an M8044-DF 32k memory module, which I'm trying to replace with a > > 128k M8059-KJ. The system works fine with the 32k module, but won't do > > anything with the 128k module. > > Have you checked the jumpers on the M8059? Where in memory does it think > it is supposed to live? Even the M8044 has address jumpers. Two other things occur to me. The first is that memories like the MSV11-D (M8044) and MSV11-L (M8059) have jumpers to enable or disable memory that corresponds to the I/O page. This gets a little complicated... Most DEC memories decode the BBS7 signal to sense access to the I/O page and disable memory access accordingly. The MSV11-D has a jumper 1-2 to enable memory in the lower 2KW of the I/O page for systems that don't use the whole I/O space; jumper 2-3 (the factory setting) to disable memory in the whole top 4KW. The MSV11-L has a similar arangement, using jumpers 28-29 to enable the memory in the bottom half of the I/O page, and 27-28 to disable it. > > I'm not familiar with PDP-11's, but it seems like my backplane is only > > 18-bit, while the new memory module is 22-bit. > > Yes, I would expect that your backplane is 18-bit. It wouldn't matter, > anyway - 18 bits is 256Kbytes (2^18 = 262,144) or 128Kwords. The 128K > card will fill your memory space, but it should work on an 18-bit > blackplane. You can also stuff 4 M8044 cards in there - 32Kwords each > for a total of 128Kwords. And that's the second thing. The MSV11-L doesn't use BBS7 for everything it decodes, so you have to set it according to whether it's in a 22-bit system or an 18-bit system. If there's a jumper from R-T, it's set for a 2MW system. Remove it for 128KW systems. It's also a parity memory, unlike the MSV11-D, and furthermore it has it's own on-board parity control and reporting register. I don't think that would stop it working if not set up, though. If you want to check the parity jumper settings, the factory default is 9-10 out, 10-11 in, 18-19 out and 19-20 in (to enable parity); 1-2 in and 2-3 out (to enable register reporting); 6-7 in and 7-8 out (necessary to disable wrong-parity writing which is used for testing); F-H in and J-H out (to enable the CSR for parity setting/reporting rather than other methods). There are also jumpers to enable/disable half the board. Normal settings are 32-33 out and 33-34 in for a fully-populated board (reverse for half-populated) and 15-16 in and 16-17 out (the reverse disables the lower bank, used if part of the bank fails). Most of the remaining jumpers set the starting address. For a starting address of zero, you want pins P,N,M,L disconnected, and pins V,W,X,Y,Z disconnected (the addressing is done in two parts). To change the address to something other than zero, you would connect one or more of these pins to pin K (ground). > > I've also read that the M8186 board is only 22-bit compatible after > > revision C. I can't find any mark on the board showing what revision it > > is. Is there another way to tell? > > Is it on the maroon handle? I don't think it's anything in the solder > mask/copper; there might be an ink stamp with the revision or perhaps a > sticker. If you can't tell in anyway, shape or form, perhaps you have > a rev A. Quick check is to hold the board with handles at the top/contacts at the bottom, and look for a metal jumper (W18) about an inch below the handles, about halfway between them, and above a diode jumpered with a red wire. If it's there, it's a Rev.A. > > Also, is possible to modify the 18-bit bus and make it 22-bit, or > > maybe by swapping out the backplane? > > You can run the extra backplane wires. I have done it. Having done so, > you may have to find a way to terminate them. Newer boxes are already Q22 > and have bus termination built-in. Older backplanes depended on a > termination card - the BDV-11 is one that is termination plus bootstrap > ROMs. I've done it too. A standard BDV11 doesn't terminate the upper 4 address lines, but there's an ECO (ECO 005?) to fix that. It consists of adding 4 short wires from the contact fingers to termination resistors that are otherwise unused. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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HP2000 available for login yet?

by mgortych＠ntplx.com

Steve, Did you use the HP2000 in school? I used to work at a board of education in northern NJ and we used to provide timeshare services to many schools in the area.

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HP2000 available for login yet?

by mgortych＠ntplx.com

Saw some posts back in August that Jay got his 2000 up and running, just wondering if it was available to for a guest to login and reminisce. Thanks! Mike

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Megabyte vs Mebibyte (was Re: Language and English)

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] ...... ! They should coin a new term for a fake Megabyte (i.e. ! something other than 1024 ^ 2). Call it a "Maybebyte". ! ! That wasn't funny. ! ! Sellam Ismail I thought it was. Or am I that weird? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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