September 2001 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> >The only HP things from which I've ever extracted useful work are my plotters >and printers. The HP CAE system we had when I was in the aerospace industry was Their printers are ok but, I have to go to Agilent for the test gear they were known for. >HP had scavenged from all over the country. I've never seen a DEC/Compaq thing >I liked. I must have observed these companies at the wrong stages in their >respective evolutions. Yep!. Allison

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Zenith

by awc＠dryden.lakeheadu.ca

Hi All, I have a Zenith H-89 based computer control system which needs few ICs. Any body know place to buy these? D765AC C8208 - CPU? C8087-1 WD2123-PL - I guess western digital disk controller. Thanks for any info. anil

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > You might well be mad as well, I can't comment (although I do believe > that many people on classiccmp are at least mildly eccentric :-)) I agree. The diversity of the posters to this list is its best quality, IMHO ;>) > I can't really recomend damaging old hardware... I have qualms about this as well. > Really mad idea.... Take a classic computer, add a 31.25kbpx current loop > serial interface, link it up to all sorts of old hardware (printers, disk > drives, tape drives, etc), and have a device that takes Midi commands and > gets that old hardware to make interesting sounds... Brilliant idea, Tony. I have a classic ISA MIDI board, drivers and software. Together they can control 64 MIDI channels. I wonder if I could control some devices directly with MIDI data? Thanks again for the great suggestions and help. Glen 0/0

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 4, Eric Dittman wrote: > > They're are three power connectors in the "standard" family as defined > > by IEC...a low-, medium-, and high-current version. The low-current > > version is the one we're all used to, 10A. The one on some MicroVAX > > chassis is the 15A version. The third is a larger one (20A, I think > > but I'm not sure) that has three flat pins in a triangular arrangement > > but in two parallel planes, with a plain rectangular body. Tey're > > found on some larger Cisco routers (7513 for one) and on SGI > > Challenge-L systems for example. > > Dave, do you happen to have the IEC spec number? Nope.. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by dittman＠dittman.net

> My SYS$WELCOME doesn't mention any of them. However, I got a kick out of > how the banner on the GUI Login still says "|d|i|g|i|t|a|l|" under V7.2-1H1, > though with 'xdm' from TCPIP 5.1 on other systems you never see it, it's > freaky how it looks like a plain UNIX xdm. With V7.3 it now says "Compaq". -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by dittman＠dittman.net

> > I remember a couple of months ago there was discussion on > > the proper cable for a BA440 power supply (normal North > > American three prong power cord but with a notch where it > > plugs in to the power supply). Was there a consensus on > > the designation (and any place in the US that sell them)? > > Here is a copy of a message I sent on 7/22/2001 about this: > > They're are three power connectors in the "standard" family as defined > by IEC...a low-, medium-, and high-current version. The low-current > version is the one we're all used to, 10A. The one on some MicroVAX > chassis is the 15A version. The third is a larger one (20A, I think > but I'm not sure) that has three flat pins in a triangular arrangement > but in two parallel planes, with a plain rectangular body. Tey're > found on some larger Cisco routers (7513 for one) and on SGI > Challenge-L systems for example. Dave, do you happen to have the IEC spec number? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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HP buying Compaq

by Charles.McManis＠netapp.com

Well I for one found it amusing that HP was trying to get away from the "PC" moniker calling them "access devices for the Internet" (which can also be palmtops etc). You know a really bright chap in corporate would say: "Well we make lots of different kinds of equipment, and we gave all the analog stuff away to the Agilent so we just have the digital stuff. I know, we'll call the combined company the digital equipment company, gee that has a nice ring to it." Of course Microsoft loses big because their two biggest licensees for Wince are consolidating into one licensee. --Chuck

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> So if the power cable has the HP logo then you are way ahead of the > rest of us... I think it's unmarked. > Of course, all my stuff still says "|d|i|g|i|t|a|l|", except for > the distribution CDROMs. My SYS$WELCOME says: > > Compaq may have bought Digital, but I'll > always call it DEC. > > I'll have to update that now. > -- > Eric Dittman My SYS$WELCOME doesn't mention any of them. However, I got a kick out of how the banner on the GUI Login still says "|d|i|g|i|t|a|l|" under V7.2-1H1, though with 'xdm' from TCPIP 5.1 on other systems you never see it, it's freaky how it looks like a plain UNIX xdm. As for saying Compaq, my 7.2 books, and my latest CD's are all that say it. I'm just wondering what this will do to the price of used DS10's! Zane

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 4, Eric Dittman wrote: > I remember a couple of months ago there was discussion on > the proper cable for a BA440 power supply (normal North > American three prong power cord but with a notch where it > plugs in to the power supply). Was there a consensus on > the designation (and any place in the US that sell them)? Here is a copy of a message I sent on 7/22/2001 about this: They're are three power connectors in the "standard" family as defined by IEC...a low-, medium-, and high-current version. The low-current version is the one we're all used to, 10A. The one on some MicroVAX chassis is the 15A version. The third is a larger one (20A, I think but I'm not sure) that has three flat pins in a triangular arrangement but in two parallel planes, with a plain rectangular body. Tey're found on some larger Cisco routers (7513 for one) and on SGI Challenge-L systems for example. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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old NVRAMs - Sun MAC addresses...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

der Mouse --- I'm passing this message onto the ClassicCmp.org mailing list also, since there has been some mention of SS1 MAC addresses here too. Maybe we (the ClassicCmp list) can provide you with more data, hopefully enough to crack the code finally! BTW, I also have a SparcStation 1 mainboard too, I'll just have to stick that in one of the cases to power it up. Hopefully it still has it's MAC address! der Mouse's original NetBSD/Sparc post about this is at the end... Don't forget to include him in the replies... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: der Mouse [mailto:mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA] ! ! > I'll be inspecting mine tomorrow, to add info to your sample base... ! > Anithing else I should look for and report, besides the barcode ! > numbers and descriptions? ! ! The four pieces of info I'm interested in are ! ! 1) four-character code ! 2) barcode ! 3) MAC address ! 4) hostid ! ! Each subset of more than one of those is of interest; the ! more complete ! a subset, the more interesting. Obviously, I'm particularly ! interested ! in filling in the gaps in the barcode table and in anything that can ! shed light on the contents-versus-label mapping, but anything is ! useful; even just a 4-char-code <-> barcode sample can serve as ! confirmation of what I've got. ! -----Original Message----- ! From: der Mouse [mailto:mouse@Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA] ! I've got eight old 48T02 NVRAM chips whose batteries ahve run down. I'd like to reconstruct the MAC address and hostid values corresponding to them; all but one of them still has its barcode sticker (and I don't expect to get anything useful for the one that's lost its sticker :-). Mark Henderson's NVRAM FAQ says that Sun can reconstruct this given the barcode (or, possibly, the four-character code also prinetd on the sticker), but does not say how. Is that algorithm known, or partially known? If not, I'll volunteer to collect data points to try to work it out, if people with still-good NVRAMs will send their barcode and/or four-character codes to me with the Ethernet address and hostid that correspond. (I've got only three live samples in my own collection, not really enough to tell much from.) I'll also be looking at mine to see if there is an obvious correspondence between barcodes and four-character codes. The newer sort, the 48T08 sort, don't need this, since the last three octets of the MAC address are identical to the low three bytes of the hostid, and are printed under the barcode. It's just the old sort I'm interested in here. Any information appreciated.

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Bowing out (temporarily)

by Alan.Pearson＠cramersystems.com

Just a quickie to say I'm bowing out for a while, I'm being laid off this week (telecoms bubble finally burst here too)... heh heh, plenty of free time to get the PERQ monitor fixed at last. I suppose I ought to attempt to find another job too, every silver lining has it's cloud ;-) Nice to have "met" you all, hopefully I'll be back soon! Cheers Al.

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HP 85 schematic?

by CHoaglin＠aol.com

Hi folks, I have an HP 85, that I believe needs a replacement CPU chip. There was a power supply fault caused by a misaligned flexible cable, which I managed to repair. But, now the machine won't boot, and the CPU chip gets very hot with 2 or 3 seconds of turning it on. I think there may be an internal short, but I really need the schematic to know which leads to take resistance measurements at to verify this. Does anybody have a copy? Also, are there any people still carrying parts for this machine? I'd prefer to buy a replacement CPU if possible rather than cannibalizing another machine. -Chris

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VAX 4000 Power Cord (BA440)

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >I remember a couple of months ago there was discussion on > >the proper cable for a BA440 power supply (normal North > >American three prong power cord but with a notch where it > >plugs in to the power supply). Was there a consensus on > >the designation (and any place in the US that sell them)? > > Mine came off of a modern HP-UX Workstation..... In light of the news the > last couple days, that's rather ironic. So if the power cable has the HP logo then you are way ahead of the rest of us... Of course, all my stuff still says "|d|i|g|i|t|a|l|", except for the distribution CDROMs. My SYS$WELCOME says: Compaq may have bought Digital, but I'll always call it DEC. I'll have to update that now. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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HP & Compaq

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 4, Chad Fernandez wrote: > Hopefully HP won't say, "Digital? whats that? Oh, that must be legacy > stuff.... we don't handle that anymore" I hope they make alot of stuff > availble online, plus keep VMS going. HP knows quite well that "all the world's not a PeeCee", and they understand...unlike many people...that PeeCees aren't the best tool for every job. Last I heard, they were *still* making and selling HP3000 systems. This gives me some hope. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see what happens. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Keep or assemble???

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

You're referring to the thought of 'mint condition' type collectible value, aren't you? Like an original Star Wars action figure being worth more when it's in the original retail packaging? If so, that would depend on the condition of the packaging. How much of it you have, how un-damaged it is, etc. Keep in mind though, value is in the eye of the beholder. It sounds like you would get more enjoyment out of building & using it, rather that letting it sit and collect dust. If you're toying with building it, I would say go for it, but keep all the packing and paperwork, too. That helps increase the 'value'. I think it all depends on whether you plan on selling it, or keeping it. I would definitely build & use it. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Cini, Richard [mailto:RCini@congressfinancial.com] ! Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 3:20 PM ! To: 'ClassCompList' ! Subject: Keep or assemble??? ! ! ! Hello, all: ! ! I'm wondering, without creating flame bait, the pros and cons of ! keeping a computer kit versus assembling it? ! ! I have an unbuilt Sinclair ZX81 kit that I'm toying ! with assembling. ! I also have a TV Typewriter-6 kit. I bought the TVT6 for my ! KIM-1 and the ! ZX81 I got in a trade. ! ! Thoughts? ! ! Rich ! ! ========================== ! Richard A. Cini, Jr. ! Congress Financial Corporation ! 1133 Avenue of the Americas ! 30th Floor ! New York, NY 10036 ! (212) 545-4402 ! (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) !

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Keep or assemble???

by kapteynr＠cboe.com

Without question, I would keep it as an unbuilt kit. For one, it is much more of a rarity that way. Second, the unassembled parts can more easily be copied for new "reproduction" kits. I believe that someone is now selling IMSAI reproduction kits. Just my opinion, Rob BTW: I retrieved much of my Altair stuff from my parents attic yesterday. I did not see the VDM-1 manual, but I will look again. -----Original Message----- From: Cini, Richard [SMTP:RCini@congressfinancial.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 2:20 PM To: 'ClassCompList' Subject: Keep or assemble??? Hello, all: I'm wondering, without creating flame bait, the pros and cons of keeping a computer kit versus assembling it? I have an unbuilt Sinclair ZX81 kit that I'm toying with assembling. I also have a TV Typewriter-6 kit. I bought the TVT6 for my KIM-1 and the ZX81 I got in a trade. Thoughts? Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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Retired Arete / Arix Manuals

by MMuller＠chrm.com

Looking to purchase retired software and / or installation guides or manuals for both the Unix based software and hardware made by Arete [Arix] in the mid-80's. Please contact Malinda Muller @ 213.689.6418 with information or offers. Los Angeles Librarian Crosby Heafey Roach & May 700 S. Flower St. Ste. 2200 Los Angeles, Ca. 90017 213.689.6418 fax: 213.896.8080

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Geek Button Sayings

by foxnhare＠jps.net

Ok, I took some of your suggestions, added some of my ideas, etc. and instead of working on my exhibit (I have pleeennnttyyy of time!) I designed & printed buttons today. Here is a pic of 20 of the 25 or so designs: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/badges.jpg (I left the jpeg maxed at 312k, just so you can read the small print.) Many of those I have 3 or more, and a few I did one shot ones. These are all saved and they also make great stickers. (=)) comments? I have 10 still to re-do if you have any last requests. Larry -- 01000011 01001111 01001101 01001101 01001111 01000100 01001111 01010010 01000101 Larry Anderson - Sysop of Silicon Realms BBS (209) 754-1363 300-14.4k bps Classic Commodore pages at: http://www.jps.net/foxnhare/commodore.html 01000011 01001111 01001101 01010000 01010101 01010100 01000101 01010010 01010011

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HeathKit H-89 boot disks ? (fwd)

by donm＠cts.com

Hopefully, there is one amongst you that can give this chap a leg up on getting his H-89 going with a boot disk. Regrettably, I am unable to help him. Please contact him directly. - don ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 03:31:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Sledz <nsledz(a)yahoo.com> To: donm(a)crash.cts.com Cc: nsledz(a)yahoo.com Subject: HeathKit H-89 boot disks ? Dear Mr. Maslin, I am don't know if you deal with the Dina-SIG archive anymore, but perhaps you could forward it to someone who does.... I am attempting to locate a copy of the cp/m boot disks for a HeathKit H-89 (circa 1981) which I recently acquired. It uses hard sector 5 1/4 floppies which is a real pain. I remember seeing a newsgroup post that said you folks had some H-89 stuff in your archive. I may need to write a program to do a serial transfer files onto the H-89 machine. Do you have any programming languages available as well? If you have this available, please let me know the cost, and I'll send a donation. -Thanks for your help! Nick **************************** Nicholas Sledziona 304 Winston Drive Ithaca, NY 14850 Phone: 607-266-0374 email: nsledz(a)yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com

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I've got the PA-RISC Blues . . .

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 09/01/2001 12:27:42, you wrote: > >I recently aquired an HP-9000/735-120, minus the RAM >and (I've just realized) the CPU! Grrrrrr. > >Anyone know of a reasonably-priced source for these >items? > Try Mike Nicewongers site twmaster.com

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

This reminds me of Stomp and The Blue Man Group (http://www.blueman.com/)... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de [mailto:jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de] ! Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 4:23 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: symphony for dot matrix printers ! ! ! On 1 Sep, Glen Goodwin wrote: ! ! > Some useable sounds might be: ! > ! > (printers, of course) ! Don't forget pen plotters hamering the pen down on to the ! paper, sirring ! steppers, ... ! ! > hard drive spinup & chatter ! load and unload of removable media (MOD, ...) ! ! > crt charge & discharge ! > floppy drive stepper motors ! > ps fans ! > cpu cooling fans ! and the pumps of the water cooling... ! ! > tape drives ! Uhhh. I have to record the sound of my 9 track pneumatic autoloader ! (cipher F880): ! klick, KLACK, (tape gets locked...) ! bss, bssss, (and rewound) ! fffffFFFFFFF.... (fan spins up), ! bss-shldl-shldl-shldl-shldl, (tape gets roled off and blown throgh the ! drive mechanics) ! klick-klack, klick-klack, klick-klack (tape gets caught at the other ! spindle) ! bsss, BSSS, BSSSSSSSSBSSSBSSS, (tape gets positioned at BOT) ! ! > ASR 33s ! > PAC readers ! > card readers ! modems and acoustic couplers ! beepers (in terminals) ! typing on a keyboard (with micro switchs) ! power and other switches ! start up sounds (Apple, SGI) ! opening and closing enclosures ! roling enclosures (with wheels) around ! -- ! ! ! ! tschuess, ! Jochen ! ! Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz !

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8" Floppies

by vance＠ikickass.org

For those who asked, I need DSDD 8" Soft-Sectored Disks. Peace... Sridhar

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DEC Design

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 1, Bill Pechter wrote: > Actually, DEC's tape drives were abysmal in design (not counting the > DECtapes which were really reel-to-reel disk drives. Yes, DECtapes are very cool. DLTs are pretty nice too; they FINALLY fixed the TK50 after a few iterations! ;) > The RL0x's were pretty slick and the RK05/6/7's were ok. RM80's needed > the RA81's 400+meg hda to be competitive... The RA81's would've been > nice if the breather glue problem didn't occur. RLs and RKs (especially RK06/7) are wonderful drives. I've used a lot of both and I love 'em. Anybody know if DEC ever made a Qbus RK06/7 controller? -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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HP 800/F20

by workstations＠poczta.onet.pl

Hello, I have an HP 9000/800 F20 machine that I don't have a video card for, so I cannot just plug a monitor to it. I also don't have a keyboard. The machine powers on and has HP-UX on it. I bought a cable that is supposed to connect my PC to the serial console connector on the F20. When I connect I can see HP-UX booting, but nothing I type seems to be getting through to the F20. I wonder if it is due to some password protection, or is it due to wrong terminal settings? I'd be grateful for any hints. Jacek Artymiak -- OnetKomunikator - porozumiesz sie z innymi [ http://ok.onet.pl/instaluj.html ]

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2114 RAM chips

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 3, 20:11, Tom Uban wrote: > Jameco electronics still sells them. > > At 01:12 AM 9/4/01 +0100, Adrian wrote: > >Does anyone have any spare 2114 (or alternative pin compatible 1KBx4) SRAM > >chips hanging about doing nothing useful? > > > >I have a PET 2001 with one blown chip, and neither Farnell nor RS do them > >any more :( Ade, I have a few. Email me your address off-list, and I'll post you one. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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HP to buy Compaq!?!?!?!

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Well, according to the New York Times (as seen on /.) it looks like HP is buying Compaq for 25 Billion dollars!?!? It looks like I've gone from being a DEC collector, to a Compaq collector, to a HP collector. Huh! Zane (who is wondering what this means for OpenVMS) -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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Looking for VAX Computer systems

by XWingFhtr＠aol.com

I am looking for a VAX computer system, such as the DEC VAX 11/780. I am also looking for its hardware, Monitors, Keyboards, Printers, Disk Drives, Hard drives, Tape drives, etc. Please E-mail me at XwingFhtr(a)aol.com. Thank you.

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DEC Design

by dittman＠dittman.net

> > Actually, DEC's tape drives were abysmal in design (not counting the > > DECtapes which were really reel-to-reel disk drives. > > Yes, DECtapes are very cool. DLTs are pretty nice too; they FINALLY > fixed the TK50 after a few iterations! ;) The TK50 was not so great; the TK70 was much more reliable. I don't have any experience with the TZ30 (although I do have one somewhere). The Tx85, Tx86, Tx87, Tx88, and Tx89 all seem to be exceptionally reliable (along with the equivalent DLTx000 drives). I used to use DAT at home. Now I use a DLT4700 system. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

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2114 RAM chips

by avickers＠solutionengineers.com

Does anyone have any spare 2114 (or alternative pin compatible 1KBx4) SRAM chips hanging about doing nothing useful? I have a PET 2001 with one blown chip, and neither Farnell nor RS do them any more :( Cheers! Ade. -- B-Racing: B where it's at :-) http://www.b-racing.co.uk

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installing VMS

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

You need release media that supports your VAX. In this case either 5.5H4 or 6.x VMS. Once you have the appropriate media, then you can stick it into the CD and boot Standalone backup from the disk, then type: BACKUP/IMAGE/VERYFIY DKAxxx:VMS06x.B/SAVE DKAyyy: which will copy the first part of the install from the CD (DKAxxx:) on to the disk (DKAyyy:) When that finishes boot that disk and continue by following the prompts. --Chuck At 08:49 PM 8/31/01 -0400, you wrote: >I had originally planned to install VMS 5.5-2 from a CD I'vfe had kicking

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

Hey Tony -- I wrote: > > I considered that but don't know of any way to consistently get heads to > > crash in such a controlled manner as to be useable musically (i.e., makes > > pretty much the same sound every time). > > > > Do you? Tony replied: > If I was mad enough to attempt this, Is this your opinion of my state of mind? ;>) > I'd record the sound of a head > crash, and then replay it as necessary. Either digitally (whereupon you > could vary the pitch, etc I believe) or on good old analogue tape, and > then fiddle with the speed on playback if necessary). Sure, I can record to my hard drive and then manipulate the resultant file in all sorts of ways. But I want to "play" the device -- like a musical instrument -- for at least a few dozen times in order to gain some control over the sound which is produced. Ideally I want to write a program to crash the heads so that I can play the drive the same way I push the buttons on a printer to obtain certain sounds. Let's say I take an ST-225 and a WD controller and stick them in a PC and I want the heads to bang out a rhythm, then screech to a halt. Any suggestions? Glen 0/0

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

This is fantastic -- thanks for sharing. Being a musician, this conjures up all sorts of ideas for using computer sounds to make music. I have a recording studio hung off my main non-classic box, so I can add this to my List of Unfinished Projects. Some useable sounds might be: (printers, of course) hard drive spinup & chatter crt charge & discharge floppy drive stepper motors ps fans cpu cooling fans cd drives (opening, closing, and spinning) scanner sounds tape drives ASR 33s PAC readers card readers So what did I miss (classic or non)? Glen 0/0 ---------- > From: James Carter <james(a)cs.york.ac.uk> > > i don't know whether this has been sent to the list before, but it > tickled me. most of the "performers" appear to be classic, so it is on > topic. > > http://www.sat.qc.ca/the_user/dotmatrix/en/intro.html

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 3, Bill Bradford wrote: > > > Do you mean gas discharge (like the Sumlock Compucorp on my desk with a > > > Panaplex display), or vacuum fluorescent (the green displays used on a > > > number of 1970's hand-held calculators)? > > Probably vacuum fluorescent. Gas-discharge would be more like Nixies, right? > > Speaking of, kinda related, anybody know where I can get one of the > 21" DEC orange gas plasma displays? I forget the model number right > now, but I've been looking for one of them for quite a while... It's called a VRE01. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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HELP on Laserjet Plus error code 60

by harryb＠charter.net

I am getting a blinking 60 on the panel of my trusty Lasjet Plus printer. Was attempting to set up a parallel port scanner, and plugged the printer on passthru. This is on a W2K system (sorry guys). Scanner no work, and error code started. Have re-installed driver, plugged printer back in direct, but still get error code. No help on printer or HP web sites, cause unit is too old (like its owner). Has someone got docs, or a link to the user manual ? Any hints welcome. Harry

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Nabu Computers Available...

by hardwire＠ptd.net

This might be of interest to somebody here (hopefully)... Surplus Traders (www.73.com) currently has 35 Nabu computers for $29.00 a pop, plus shipping. Normally they do bulk sales, but they will sell the Nabu individually. (Search for item CR356.) I picked one up a while ago, and mine was still 'new', in the box, with a factory seal. Then again, since this surplus, it might be best to verify that the units are 'new' if that's important to you. Unfortunately, I haven't really toyed with the Nabu hardware too much (yet), and if anyone else has, I'd love to hear about it. Either way, these machines are certainly an interesting part of computing history. Here's a small blurb about the Nabu: http://ieee.ca/millennium/telidon/telidon_nabu.html

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Altair benchmark

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hi: I came across a very simple benchmark program that I'd like to use in comparing the speed of a real Altair to that of the Altair32 emulator: org 0 start: ei lxi b,0 ; inner loop = 65536 times mvi d,50 ; outer loop = 50 times loop: push b ; this is just to increase the instruction count push d push h push psw pop psw pop h pop d pop b dcx b mov a,b ora c ; done with inner loop? jnz loop ; if not, keep going dcr d ; do this 50 times jnz loop hlt ; done with speed test end start I would appreciate it if someone with an Altair could put this in and time, in seconds, how long it takes to perform this test. I already know that the Altair32 is painfully slow, primarily because of the graphics routines used to draw the front panel LEDs. Disabling LED updating improves the speed greatly. Doing this, unfortunately, results in you have a Turnkey system... Thanks to all. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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Must be a typo!

by benwarden＠earthlink.net

Don't smoke - corrected the typo, and sold it for $14.98 on 4 May 1999 Bennie R Warden - Bookseller 39 South Alhambra Lane 561.878.9645 Port Saint Lucie FL 34952-2832 VISA - Master Card - Discover/Novus - Check/MO

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DEC Design

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jerome Fine <jhfine(a)idirect.com> >Do you mean the TU-58? I am looking for one!! I have one that does not >work and I want to replace the bad part. The rollers are OK. This is >the external TU-58 with two drives in a black box. Does anyone have one? >Even if it is not working, perhaps I can cut and paste. Err what part are you looking for so it could possibly be found? I have one of the external TU-58s, no I'm not scrapping it. Allison

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TRS-80 Model III and Model 12 have to go....

by nerdware＠laidbak.com

I had mentioned these before, but unfortunately dumped the email by accident..... I have a Model III complete with software and Model 12 with 2 external hard drives and keyboard. I assume they work (at least the Model III had worked the last time the donor who gave it to me used it....) I'm in Northwest Indiana, about 40 minutes East of Chicago. These are too big and bulky for me to deal with packing and shipping....I would prefer that they be picked up. I'm never gonna get around to playing with them, and they are taking up a huge amount of shelf space that I need for other things. I don't want to scrap 'em....but I would like them gone by the end of the month. I've already done my big Tandy display at the local library, and I realized just how bulky they are when I tried to shoehorn 'em into my Impreza.....I'm sticking with smaller stuff from now on. Ok, the Lisa II is and exception. ;o) Please. Give these a good home. Thanks. Please contact me off-list and we can arrange something Paul Braun WD9GCO Cygnus Productions nerdware_nospam(a)laidbak.com "A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without a bunch of bricks tied to its head."

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TRS80 Model III broken wire puzzle

by witchy＠binarydinosaurs.co.uk

Hi folks, My gf brought me back said TRS80 MIII (16K model, no floppies) from her trip to New Jersey a couple of weeks ago, surprisingly it's a 240V model. Anyway, it suffered the usual airport baggage handling 'techniques' and the VDU broke away from its mountings. Fortunately the neck hasn't broken so it should be salvageable unless there's a hairline crack somewhere I've missed. Anyway, I've glued everything back in place and it's whole again; however there's 1 wire that's broken free from *somewhere* on the screen itself but I can't see where. It's black and goes to a post marked E306 on the VDU board that's normally screwed to the left hand side of the case. E306 itself is part of the grounding circuit, so have any of you TRS80 III owners got the schematics for the VDU circuit? Thanks in advance, -- adrian/witchy www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - The online Computer museum www.snakebiteandblack.co.uk - monthly Gothic shenanigans

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Would anybody like these?

by fernande＠internet1.net

Free + shipping costs -Teac 1.2meg 5.25" floppy drive -DOS Customized, by David Busch.... it's a Brady book, nice shape -Simpson Microamperes round gauge, maybe 2.5", glass loose, 0 to 200 Microamps, direct current, fairly old... neat, but I don't know what to do with it :-) -Seagate ST-4053 with microchannel controller, drive needs to be low-leveled, but I don't know how. it's from an IBM Model 60 -full height bezel for Seagate ST-225, from a XT or PC -5.25" half height mounting bracket for IBM optical drive, 74F8785, from an external IBM drive case Model 3510, but I think it'll fit into a Model 77. -Power supply, it's from a piece of VME scrap I bought on Ebay, it wasn't what I thought it was, so I am recycling it. I figured someone might want the power supply. It's an ACDC Electronics unit. will do 5volts at 20 amps and +-5 volts at 2 amps. Has 3 output blocks (sets of terminals at +-5 volts) and a larger pair that must be the 12 volts. Huge heat sink. Model RT101-3 115VAC input. It's about the size of an AT power supply, but with the heatsink sticking out... no fan. Please reply privately. Thanks, Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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Yet Another Board Cleaning Thread

by jss＠subatomix.com

Well, all, it's time for me to clean boards for the first time. After doing a practice run on a nonessential board, it will be time to begin on the KA11 and friends found inside my PDP-11/20. I've done some research already, but several questions remain. I'd like to get answers to them and have some comments over my tentative cleaning methods. First, let's talk about fluids. It's been a while since I took a chemistry class. Questions: * Is there no difference between 'isopropanol', 'isopropyl alcohol', and 'propan-2-ol'? * Are there any better fluids (methanol?) for certain situations? * Can I find these at a hardware store? * Is there anything I should look out for when using those fluids? That is, is there anything (glue?) they can damage? My most important question deals with core stacks. Most of the board cleaning info I've found steers clear of core. This is unfortuante, as my core is not immune from dust and grime. What I have are H207s, each consisting of a quad-width G616 and a smaller G617 daughterboard. The small space between these boards is exceptionally dirty. My current plan for cleaning them is: (0) Leave the two board assembleds; disassembly would likely cause breakage. (1) Blow canned air over the assembly and through the inter-board space. (2) Dip and swish the assembly in isopropyl alcohol. (3) Blow air over the boards with an unheated hair dryer or more canned air. (4) If the assembly is still dirty, go to step (2). I've got more cleaning subjects to learn about, but in the interest of keeping the discussion more focused, I'll ask about them later. As always, I'm extremely grateful for all help that comes my way. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

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PDP 11/34 work party

by KenzieM＠sympatico.ca

Well this is the weekend that I'll try and get the PDP 11/34 running as well as the AS400's in the garage. Anyone who will be in the Ottawa area is welcome to come and help. I'd like to see some signs of life before packing the magnetic media into the basement for the winter. Mike Collector of Vintage Computers (www.ncf.ca/~ba600)

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Who neded that DEC BA440 power supply?

by fernande＠internet1.net

I deleted your email. Did you find one? I have an extra, from a R400X, but am not sure how to test it. Would $20 plus shipping be appropriate? Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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Stupid Powersupply question

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Subject says it all. If I've got a StorageWorks shelf with a 150W Powersupply, I don't draw 150W do I? I simply draw the sum of the number of disks in the shelf. Trying to see if I've got this down right as I need to add some disks and the cost of power is going up again. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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DEC rack header plates

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Anybody know a source of DEC rack header panels (the maroon/red ones) with or without logo, or for the black "cover panels"? I've got a maroon/red pdp11 header panel, and a "blank" maroon/red one, but not the black panels to cover the rest of the cabinet.. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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New Finds on the first day of a long weekend

by jrkeys＠concentric.net

Spent most of the day hunting at flea markets and a few thrift stores and this what I have so far: 1. Felt & Tarrant Comptometer missing two key covers but otherwise OK. 2. TI Dataman and manual 3. Several mousepads for that part of the collection. 4. The VMS User's Guide by James F. Peters and Patrick J. Holmay 5. Heathkit Student Workbook on Microprocessors And many more to new to list here yet. Have a fun holiday to all and keep computing.

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NOTICE FROM THE LIST HOST -- a vote in favor of limited moderation

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

>There are three things that need to be corrected on this list: > >- off topic volume is way too high >- we need to eliminate insults, personal attacks, and language that is >obviously intended to offend >- subject lines need to correctly identify the content of the message when >the topic has drifted Personal attacks, insults, and incorrect subject lines are symtoms of the underlying problem which is OT posts. We're all adults here. Let's take it upon ourselves to correct the problem and move forward. It's pretty simle really: 1.) The list "owner" should make rule(s) about how the list is run. 2.) Anyone that wants to participate in the list must follow the rules. That's all... This does not need to be a democratic process. Anyone that doesn't like the rules or won't comply, can start their own damned list. My $.02 SteveRob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Don't forget pen plotters hamering the pen down on to the paper, sirring > steppers, ... > load and unload of removable media (MOD, ...) > and the pumps of the water cooling... > modems and acoustic couplers > beepers (in terminals) > typing on a keyboard (with micro switchs) > power and other switches > start up sounds (Apple, SGI) > opening and closing enclosures > roling enclosures (with wheels) around Thanks for these very fine suggestions! I can also use the tape-loading sounds from my ZX81 and TS2068! Glen 0/0

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Unibus/QBus boards available FT

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I dont currently have a system that I can use these in, so I'd like to trade them for LSI-11 stuff, DEC rack pieces/parts/header panels, or ham radio-related equipment. If you can help me ID the couple of boards I couldnt find in the field guide, please do. H215 (core! qty. 2) 8-Kword 18-bit (parity) (used in MM11-LP, ME15) M7850 Parity board for G651, MS11-EP/FP/HP/JP M920 (qty. 2) UNIBUS connector G727A Grant continuity card G231E (Qty. 3) 16K XY Selection, Current source, Address Latch, 8K Decode. G109 ("CONTROL AND DATA LOOPS" ?) ???? ("16K MOS UNIBUS MEMORY") M9760 ? M957 ? bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Altair benchmark

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard A. Cini, Jr. <rcini(a)optonline.net> org 0 start: 4 ei 10 lxi b,0 ; inner loop = 65536 times 7 mvi d,50 ; outer loop = 50 times ;;; one time setup 21 cycles (10.5 uS) loop: 11 push b ; this is just to increase the instruction count 11 push d 11 push h 11 push psw 10 pop psw 10 pop h 10 pop d 10 pop b 5 dcx b 5 mov a,b 4 ora c ; done with inner loop? 10 jnz loop ; if not, keep going Main loop 108 cycles, 8080A JNZ is 10 tcy pass or fail condition. 65536*108=7077888cy (3.538944 sec)... assuming one wait state per memory access the 108 becomes 138cy, 65536*138=9043968cy (4.521 sec) this adds 15cy or 7.5us to the loop 50 times. 5 dcr d ; do this 50 times 10 jnz loop The two loops total 176947575uS (176.947 sec) or 353895150 clock cycles assuming NO wait states. one wait state per memory access will add considerably to the loop times (>226sec!). housekeeping 3.5us 7 hlt ; done with speed test end start I would appreciate it if someone with an Altair could put this in and time, in seconds, how long it takes to perform this test. About an hour.... first 55 minutes to toggle it in and watch it crash repeatedly. Then there were the crashes due to bus noise... Seriously if you have the 8080 book you can calculate it as the basic altair was 2.00 mhz (500ns Tcy) with no wait state ram. if you had 88S4k the wait states for refresh were asynchronous and hard to predict. If the ram was 88s4k the refresh was invisible as it was synchronous. If you got it right.... roughly 177 seconds for no mait memory and somewhere around 227seconds for memory requiring one wait state per access. 8085 and z80s execute this faster for the same clock due to different numbers for instructing timing such as jumps which have shorter timing if the condition fails. Allison

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Yet Another Board Cleaning Thread

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Jeffrey S. Sharp <jss(a)subatomix.com> >Do you suggest I dip the core stack in distilled water instead of >isopropyl alcohol? Isopropanol is ok for the core stack but only if seriously required. Use only the pure {99.5%} as rubbing alcohol can be up to 70% water! >How about if I blew the air from a distance? There's got to be a happy >medium between a point-blank discharge and spraying from across the room. Do so with the greatest care. Allison

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The "MEX" program & is ron Fowler still around

by pdan＠primenet.com

Yes, still using the MEX program for my UNIX dialup on my 1GH computer and since the upgrade, haven't been able to upload or download, the error message being "serial input errors". Is Ron Fowler who wrote the program still around or Al Jewer who worked on it? Alternatively, anybody here know what I'm talking about and who might have a suggestion for a fix? Any assisstance greatly appreciated.

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I've got the PA-RISC Blues . . .

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

I recently aquired an HP-9000/735-120, minus the RAM and (I've just realized) the CPU! Grrrrrr. Anyone know of a reasonably-priced source for these items? Thanx-- Jeff ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Geek Button Sayings

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Existed as large button and also a teeshirt. |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| (digital keys logo in BLUE) the word unix in the no symbol (red circle with slash) and the words.... unix the unsystem, never had it never will. ca.1984 Allison

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Geek Button Sayings

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

: p1 OOLCAY IT-TAY (or however it appears at the end of the book... I can't find my copy right now) ---------------------------------------------------- Swapped Out ---------------------------------------------------- Core Dumped ---------------------------------------------------- Carrier Lost ---------------------------------------------------- Lost Cluster ---------------------------------------------------- Hard Wired ---------------------------------------------------- Liquid Cooled ---------------------------------------------------- Simulation Only! ---------------------------------------------------- Overflow again? Somebody get the bit bucket. ---------------------------------------------------- Abort, Retry, Fail? ---------------------------------------------------- I'm with the head crash ==============>

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Geek Button Sayings

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

You forgot... WYSIWYG ... What You See Is What You Get (first generation pagelayup editors) WYGINS.... What You Get Is No Surprize (Runoff, TEX, LAtex users know this) -----Original Message----- From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Saturday, September 01, 2001 1:38 PM Subject: RE: Geek Button Sayings >DON'T ANTHROPOMORPHIZE COMPUTERS - THEY HATE IT WHEN YOU DO THAT > >MAKE BILL GATES A MILLIONAIRE (too subtle for most people) > >W.I.B.A.S - WINDOWS IS BUGGY AND SLOW (from about 1990) > > > >

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Geek Button Sayings

by technos＠nerdland.org

"I [heart] my Wang" Might also appeal to readers of Penny Arcade.. Jim On Saturday, September 01, 2001 1:30 AM, Larry Anderson [SMTP:foxnhare@jps.net] wrote: > > If you had the opportunity to write a classic computer related phrase > (or whatever will work) on a 2.25" diameter button, what would you > like > to wear? > > Of course some of the classics are: > > //////////// > > BYTE ME! > > //////////// > > DANCE > ALGORITHM 1.0 > > 0A ASL ;SHIFT TO > THE LEFT! > 4A LSR ;SHIFT TO > THE RIGHT! > 48 PHA ;PUSH A! > 68 PLA ;PULL A! > EA NOP ;BYTE! > EA NOP ;BYTE! > EA NOP ;BYTE! > > //////////// > > 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 > 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 > 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 1 > 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 1 > 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 > 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 > 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 > 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 > 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 > > (this one is a bit harsh, I'd prefer to use a different phrase) > > ////////////// > > My other computer is an Apple I > > ////////////// > > My computer > takes up half a room > draws 500 watts, > has 4k of RAM, > and runs at only 500khz... > > Beat That! > > //////////////// > > > > reason: I have a bag of old buttons I am relabling (sticking new > labels > over the previous 1996 dated event designs) to give away at VCF 5.0, > besides the Commodore related ones (of course) and those above, I am > open to do other designs (I have already did a nice "I'd rather be > playing Spacewar" in button form). Just let me know, I have about > 60-100 buttons I'm doing. (color and photos are doable, fonts too if > I > have em.)

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com> > There is the well-known software package for DEC's pdp8/e (and >perhaps other -8 models) that makes quite reasonable music from a >nearby AM radio, if memory serves the "interference" was generated by >the core memory drivers...you took the chassis cover off, put an AM >radio near the machine, ran the program, gave it a "song" file, and >away it played. > > -Dave There was also a pack of routines that used the link bit driving an amplifier to a speaker... much cleaner. Then there is also software for the A/D board... fairly decent. Other classic music hardware was the ALS-8. As to sounds, the best is my S-S100 boot test, series or disk seeks beeps to a speaker (coded) and the vt100 terminal beep after it finally says hello to the serial line. It's the best for the one reason, they indicate boot progress and success. ;) Allison

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HP2000 BASIC

by west＠tseinc.com

As a followup... Today I got the mux board put together and hooked up a few terminals. I hit return and was greeted with the infamous "PLEASE LOG IN". Then I created an A000 account, logged in, and entered/ran some basic programs... WOOHOO! It's all up 100% now. Funny how I just got the system completely usable today, and already I'm thinking about hardware upgrades *smile* It will take me some time - weeks at least & maybe months to get around to putting a FreeBSD machine on front of the system so people can telnet to the HP2000 box across the internet. However, if someone just can't wait to play with it (yes, a few people have already asked me about this) - send me a private email and I'll slap a modem directly on the system so you can dial in. All you'd have is long distance fees. Regards! (time for me to go have lots of beer to celebrate) Jay West

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Lubert Trek

by CELang＠worldnet.att.net

I was just reminded this evening about a program I've been looking for on and off for years now. It was a Star Trek game written by Col. Lubert. I think he was Air Force, but I don't remember for certain. It was a battle; Enterprise vs a Klingon battle cruiser. I found the program on the University of Minnesota's CDC Cyber 74 in 1979 and did a conversion to Apple ][. Someone asked to borrow my only hardcopy of the program, and like a good little idiot I gave it up. Then the cassette with the Apple copy died. Of course, the guy I loaned the hardcopy to had no recollection of it and by this time I no longer had access to the Cyber. Does anyone out there have a copy of this game? Thanks for reading. Craig

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