September 2001 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Today Tim Olmstead passed away from a battle with cancer. A great loss. For those less familiar with his efforts for the classic computer community the _Unofficial CP/M Web_ site is his effort. For me I lost a friend and someone that shared the love of a system he could totally understand to the very hardware and bits that made it run. Allison

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World Trade crash...

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/11/01 10:19:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, edick(a)idcomm.com writes: > Yes ... Dubya must have REALLY pissed someone off! Reports are that these > were > specific attacks, and that there was also an apparently intentional crash on > a > helipad near the Pentagon ... <sigh> You'd think they'd get closer than > that > ... > > Dick For those of you with friends and loved ones in these areas my heart and prayers are with you. At 10:40am here on the east coast there have been 4 attacks so far. The world trade center twice, the pentagon, and the state dept bldg in washington. -Linc Fessenden In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

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ENOUGH ALREADY

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

-----Original Message----- From: Jay West [mailto:west@tseinc.com] I sincerely agree as to the tragedy of recent US events. My heart goes out to all affected. HOWEVER, this is a classic computer mailing list. The discussion on the WTC stuff is very interesting, but it belongs on all the myraid of other lists present on the net for this purpose. What on EARTH posessed people to think we needed blow by blow updates on this list about current world events? Think - if you have to put "OT" in the subject of your message, it probably doesn't belong here. Regards, Jay West Jay --- Thank you for your sympathy... What possesed us to post updates here? Since I was the first to mention it (IIRC, I might be wrong), I'll answer... Simple. Many people here were stuck at work, without any source of news, to find out what was happening. Major news websites were useless, since they were all swamped yesterday. I know of a couple people, who didn't know a thing about it, until I sent a message. They were then able to take care of necessary business in due time. If I upset someone by posting an OT message to one of my mailing lists, and helping someone in the process, I say too bad. Suck it up. There are a few times when an OT post is accepted. Yesterday was one of them. But, yes, now is the time to kill this thread from the list, now that everything has calmed down some... It's time to help your neighbors. Call your local Red Cross, and make an app't to donate blood. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu <mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu> --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Where are the Anti-OT measures?

by celigne＠tinyworld.co.uk

I'm not disputing the importance of this issue, but this isn't the place.

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essential CP/M files

by frustum＠pacbell.net

Since somebody brought up the issue of CP/M, I have a question for the old CP/M hands out there in classiccmp-land. Short version: If you were stuck on an island with a solar-powered CP/M machine and only one floppy disk in CP/M 2.2 format, which programs and utilities would you want on that disk? Longer version: I've been (slowly) adding support for emulating a double-density (dual density, actually) northstar disk controller in my Sol emulator, Solace. When I release this version of the emulator, I was wondering what disk images to present with it. I know full well that I might be the only person who will really use this, and a few dozen people may fire it up, mess with it a bit, and that's all. Still, having spent so much time developing it, I'd like to present a polished package. There is, fortunately, a wealth of CP/M files still out there on the net, but my goal isn't to collect them all and put them on my site. What I want is to have some essential/useful general CP/M programs, then collect just those that are specific to the Sol version of CP/M (or another S-100 machine using a VDM). Any opinions of what I should distribute with the emulator? Here is what I am planning on so far: STAT PIP ASM MAC DDT ED DUMP LOAD SUBMIT XSUB This list was chosen simply because these are the standard programs/utilities that D.R. shipped with CP/M 2.2 and are described in their user's manual. Unfortunately, I don't have FORMAT, MOVCPM, PUTSYS, GETSYS, or SYSGEN since all this has been bootstrapped up off of the single floppy that was in my machine when I got it, and that disk didn't include much of anything other than the boot tracks. I could recreate them, but it would take some time and it is time I'd rather spend in other ways. It probably doesn't matter anyway since there is no good reason to SYSGEN as the emulator has only one memory size. Although there are lots of replacement programs for those listed above that are undoubtedly better than the stock CP/M 2.2 programs, I am going to use the originals from D.R. and leave it up to any user who cares enough to customize it as they see fit. I plan on adding one disk utility to allow making a sector-by-sector copy of virtual disks so that new boot disks can be created. NSCOPY is the one I use on my real Sol, so it is probably the one I will distribute with Solace. As a reminder, the Sol uses an 8080, so I can't use a lot of the fancy Z80-ified programs that are out there. Thanks for any opinions you can share. ----- Jim Battle == frustum(a)pacbell.net

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OT: Some new WTC pics...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

I got a couple more pictures of the World Trade Towers... http://pages.cthome.net/squeege/wtrade/updates.html --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Please, more computers...

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:10 PM Subject: Re: ENOUGH ALREADY >volume lists than this one! I for one would like to read something about >classic computers, as I'm feeling the need for a refuge from the madness! Please, radio, TV and whatnot is saturated with the news. I need a break >from it. Right now I need something else even if off topic just not that one. Allison

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New scores!

by west＠tseinc.com

Just unpacked a truely rare and valuable item.... A CE alignment disc cartridge for an HP 7900A disc drive! woohoo! (also about five 7900A disc cartridges) Also just obtained three 7906D disc drives, three 13037 disc controller subsystems, three 13037 disc interface cards, about ten 7906 disc cartridges, and all associated cables! Of course, I am truely not worthy to own such gear, since I seem to think FOUR is 101 *GRIN* Jay West

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ENOUGH ALREADY

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I couldn't agree more! I'm down to three mailing lists anymore, and this list is the only one I activelly read. I'm also noticing that it has more posts about this than the other two put together, and they're BOTH higher volume lists than this one! I for one would like to read something about classic computers, as I'm feeling the need for a refuge from the madness! Zane > Well, I'll second Jay's opinion. I hope others who feel likewise will > do the same. > > I understand your need to discuss these events. I suggest you do so > with your family, friends, and co-workers. > > Respectfully, > > John > > Jeffrey Ingber wrote: > > > > Thanks for the HTML. > > > > Right now, it would seem that you are in the minority - as most people > > seem to have more pressing issues than Classic Computers. > > > > Jeffrey H. Ingber (jhingber _at_ ix.netcom.com) > > > > On Wed, 2001-09-12 at 16:21, Jay West wrote: > > > I sincerely agree as to the tragedy of recent US events. My heart goes out to all affected. > > > > > > HOWEVER, this is a classic computer mailing list. The discussion on the WTC stuff is very interesting, but it belongs on all the myraid of other lists present on the net for this purpose. > > > > > > What on EARTH posessed people to think we needed blow by blow updates on this list about current world events? Think - if you have to put "OT" in the subject of your message, it probably doesn't belong here. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Jay West > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature >

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Fwd: gulovsen@law.uiuc.edu: Wang disk conversion referral

by dtwright＠uiuc.edu

Hey all, If anyone can help this guy out, it'd be greatly appreciated... if you can help, please contact him directly. It sounds like they're willing to pay for the help too. Thanks... ----- Forwarded message from "Gulovsen, Grant" <gulovsen(a)law.uiuc.edu> ----- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:20:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Gulovsen, Grant" <gulovsen(a)law.uiuc.edu> From: "Gulovsen, Grant" <gulovsen(a)law.uiuc.edu> Subject: Wang disk conversion referral To: CCSP(a)LISTSERV.UIUC.EDU X-Loop: dtwright(a)uiuc.edu Despite asking all College of Law faculty members to convert their WANG-based documents to WordPerfect/Word many (many, many) years ago, we have a faculty member who now needs to pull an old article off of two 8" WANG disks (ugh). Does anyone out there know anyone who is capable of performing this onerous task? Obviously we would prefer to find something reasonably priced on campus, but he is willing to pay for a commercial service. Thanks (and he promises to convert all of his old WANG disks as part of this process). Sincerely, Grant Robert Gulovsen Director of Information Services University of Illinois College of Law 203A Law Building, MC-594 504 East Pennsylvania Avenue Champaign, IL 61820 phone: 217.244.0157 fax: 217.244.1478 email: gulovsen(a)law.uiuc.edu url: http://www.law.uiuc.edu ----- End forwarded message ----- - Dan Wright (dtwright(a)uiuc.edu) (http://www.uiuc.edu/~dtwright) -] ------------------------------ [-] -------------------------------- [- ``Weave a circle round him thrice, / And close your eyes with holy dread, For he on honeydew hath fed, / and drunk the milk of Paradise.'' Samuel Taylor Coleridge, Kubla Khan

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Tim Olmstead passed away

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> > >Why can't someone simply inherit Tim's license and pass it on to someone >else who is willing to take over? Is it non-transferrable? There is no license, it was a handshake between people in Caldara and Tim. Allison

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We're saved!

by foo＠siconic.com

I just heard on the news: no steak knives in First Class anymore. That'll thwart those pesky terrorists!! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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still more OT

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Now CNN is reporting some people arrested on the George Washington Bridge driving a van full of explosives. It isn't "over" yet, --Chuck

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ebay: Intel SnapIn 386 upgrade for IBM 5160 AT or IBM PS/2 models 50 or 60

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

Just posted it - 286 to 386 upgrade in box. Item 1273362665 for non-html readers. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1273362665

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August was the month for the Hayes Chronograph

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

Apparently, I shouldn't have left town. Someone here mentioned the Chronograph that went for $39 on eBay during the third week of August. Shortly thereafter, from St. Louis, another one went, with box, for $10.50 after two bids. :-( Foo! -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com

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Hayes Chronograph on eBay

by rcini＠optonline.net

No bids as of 9pm EST. Item 1266277281. $9.00 I'm not connected to the auction in any way. I was just browsing and throught I'd let everyone know. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

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Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Since you don't know what to do with either, here is a little warning, >they're big. I'm going to guess the 11/730 is a 19" rack, and the 11/750 >will be bigger. YIKES... humm... then maybe I don't want them (although, still, if they are going to the dumpster, I would probably play with them for a while before returning them to the dumpster, or passing them on to someone else) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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OT: World Trade crash...

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/11/2001 10:15:10 AM Central Daylight Time, fernande(a)internet1.net writes: > How big is a 737? I didn't think an airplane would do that much > damage. The Empire State building has been hit before, by accident, > although, it prpbably wasn't a direct hit. > > I see it on TV, However. I'm stunned, really. > > looks like it hit sideways on edge, taking out that side of the building. a B24 hit the ESB, not that much damage.

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anyone have a wire disc cartridge rack?

by west＠tseinc.com

Since I've finally gotten my 2000Access system up AND obtained a fair number of 7900/7906 cartridges for it, I was looking for a cartridge rack. The style I'm thinking of is simply thick metal wire/rods, formed into a long tripod affair. This type was typically put on top of the computer rack or on a table, and 7900/7906 media (think RK05 or IBM 2313 cartridges) just got set in each slot on their side. This rack just held the media until use, very much like the wire tabletop mag tape racks. I'm looking for one that holds about 7-10 cartridges or so. If anyone has one of these to part with (or is willing to cut a long one in half and give up half) let me know. Thanks! Jay West

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Introductory Electronics Book?

by alan.pearson＠cramer.com

> Chuck McManis wrote: > > > The Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill > > > > Great book, but definitely NOT as an introductory book. I'm not sure that it falls into either category... I bought it recently - it does start off assuming no prior knowledge, so from that point of view it's suitable for beginners. It does however get very "involved" quite early on... to me though this is a good thing, and I wouldn't hesistate in recommending the book to other beginners like myself as long as you're genuinely motiviated enough to want to learn - I had to re-read some sections several times before the mental light clicked on :-) The "eureka" moment in the bath when I finally understood how the NAND transistor circuit worked was too cool for words ;-) The writing style is very clear, they give "real world" examples, sample circuits (both good and bad, to illustrate common gotchas), and cover a huge range of topics. It's a MUST HAVE in my opinion. --al

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OT: World Trade crash...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Like I said, this is a reckoning. > > > It is only a reckoning in the eyes of a select few -- such > as those firing guns in the air in celebration of the many > dead. There is no way that the taking of thousands of > "innocent" lives balances out anything. Just as nothing > will be resolved when we inevitably do the same in > retaliation. I think the point he was trying to make regarding reckoning is that America's foreign policy doesn't take into account (or does a poor job of doing so) the reactions of various peoples who think of themselves as disaffected. So, our nation throws it weight around long enough, and eventually, push comes to shove. I had expected something like this for a long time; the recent economic good-times had lulled me into a false sense of security (things are great all over, no?)... It's not about whether they are justfied (in reality) or not, but how they feel about their situation. They feel put-upon, and they hold us partly (w/r/t Palestinians) or totally (Iraq) to blame. Should we therefore have a foreign policy that is doomed to forever "walk on eggshells"? No; but status quo clearly isn't working. -dq

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OT- Re: World Trade Crash and a bit about computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Keep in mind, Arthur, that you can't have it both ways. You've got to choose > between security and freedom. I think what Sellam is driving at is that every > externally imposed effort to ensure your security impairs someone's freedoms. > Perhaps we don't all see it that way, but it could be argued. Nonetheless, I > don't feel that letting someone look in my carry-on luggage to make sure I don't > have guns, knives, bombs, etc. is a reasonable infringement, partiticularly > since I've effectively agreed to allow this invasion of my privacy as part of > the contract associated with air travel. This will certainly lead to fewer men packing women's underwear in their suitcases, not to mention various flesh-tone plastic toys... Should anyone else care to enumerate the "legal things I'd hate to get caught with in my suitcase", please reply privately... -dq

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OT: World Trade crash updates...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

All my prayers go out to all the victims... Some updates & summary from various sources... Two planes have flown into both towers of the World Trade Center, one plane (an American Airlines 767) is known to have been hijacked from an airport in Boston. The towers have been evacuated. Uh oh, some are still in the towers, two people just jumped. Part of the World Trade tower has collapsed All traffic in and out of NY has been stopped, no one in, no one out. All airports in US have been shut down. No flights in, no flights out. 1-800 phone calls apparently not working... A commercial airplane has flown into the Pentagon, Pentagon has been evacuated too. UNCONFIRMED reports of several more (possibly hi-jacked) planes still in the air. All other planes have been ordered to land. A fire has started in front of the White House (they are calling it the Mall of the White House) and the White House has been evacuated too. Capitol, treasury, White House, and State Department have been evacuated. Boston and many other major cities are evacuating all potential taget sites/buildings also... As the White House was being evacuated, a threat came in, a credible threat, and the evacuation process went even fast, at first they were evacuating in an orderly fashion. Supposedly the president was supposed to be heading back from Florida. I'm sure that's going to be detoured somewhere else. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Asunto: Re: World Trade crash...

by David.Neal＠ubsw.com

$20 worth of flight sim should be enough for the job. -----Original Message----- From: jss Sent: 12 September 2001 14:58 To: classiccmp Cc: jss Subject: Re: Asunto: Re: World Trade crash... On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Chuck McManis wrote: > Don, you forget [...] training I bet this was the biggest cost; you just don't learn how to fly a big commercial jet overnight. -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments.

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World Trade crash...

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/11/2001 11:37:26 AM Central Daylight Time, fernande(a)internet1.net writes: > Richard Erlacher wrote: > > The networks are issuing conflicting reports about that, but it's clear it > > wasn't a helipad on a nearby building. The Pentagon is apparently > severely > > damaged and there's been considerable loss of life. Of course that's > nothing as > > compared with the WTC disaster, now that both towers have collapsed. > > Doesn't the pentagon hold many many people as well? > > > The heart of Washington D.C. OTOH is apparently being (relatively) quitely > > evacuated. I don't know how the key government agencies can function if > they're > > not going to work, however. They've shut down the CIA, the NSA, and other > > security-related agencies. You (Jeff) can probably provide more detail, > since > > you're there. > > I'm sure the core parts of the agencies are working very hard right > now. They'll be in the field and in other lesser known offices. If > another plane hit the main offices of our security agencies, with our > people inside, then we would be in a lot more trouble. It's better to > have them in other places. > > > > > I note that Dubya is on the tube. I wonder where they set him down. He > was in > > the air when this happened. Likewise, Colin Powell apparently turned > around > > from his trip to Columbia, or wherever he was going. > > I haven't seen him yet. I did just see Arafat. He looked shocked, > althoughm he might be a good actor too? Don't know, just speculating. > > Chad Fernandez > Michigan, USA > my brother says AF1 came in andrews AFB with fighter escort and it's locked up there better than alcratraz. Im sure there's plenty going on in DC as theres lots of information that doesnt get fed to the general populace.

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World Trade crash...

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

I work in midtown Manhattan...both buildings have collapsed. There is nothing but blue sky where the Twin Towers once stood. ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile) -----Original Message----- From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:23 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org (E-mail) Subject: OT: World Trade crash... Importance: High I take it you all heard about the two 737s (?) hitting the world trade buildings... one was possibly a hijacked airliner... each hit a seperate tower, I believe... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Tandy 1400 LT

by pjschilling＠gcstech.net

Mike, There were a few before the 1400. The 100/102/200 for sure. There are many 100's and 102's still in use. I know a few journalists locally using them. Phil -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Mike Ford Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:13 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Tandy 1400 LT I bought a Tandy 1400 portable today. Not bad shape, a bit of plastic damage in a couple places on the case, but it lights up and asks for a floppy and the battery doesn't even appear totally totally dead (only mostly dead). Is this the first Tandy laptop? Anybody interested before eBay? NEC 8088 4.77/7.00 MHz CPU (V-20) LCD Backlit CGA Display Panel Dual 3.5" 720k Disk Drives 640k RAM Serial/Parallel/CGA/TV Connectors

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A great loss, on topic...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 11, 21:42, ajp166 wrote: > Today Tim Olmstead passed away from a battle with cancer. > A great loss. I'm very sorry to hear that. He was a nice guy and made a significant contribution to our hobby. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Some new stuff. What is it?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 10, 14:30, John Rollins wrote: > >Those would be DEC MMJ ports... > > What's an MMJ? It stands for Modified Modular Jack. DEC took a standard RJ12 plug and moved the position of the latch off to one side. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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OT: halfmast.jpg (non-political)

by lance＠costanzo.net

Like most of you, I sat around most of Tuesday watching/listening to the news, but mostly being unable to concentrate on work. I needed to do something, so I created a small graphic (I'm definitely not a graphic designer, but I got the proportions reasonably correct) of a US flag at half mast and will be using it on my web sites as a remembrance of today's tragedy. If you'd like to do the same: http://www.webhighrise.com/halfmast.jpg

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Administrivia - Billion Second Day

by lance＠costanzo.net

While IBM, HP, Dec, Intel, Microsoft, and a cast of thousands have been duking it out for the past 31-3/4 years, UNIX time() (ref: man 3 time) has been steadily plodding along and has quietly ticked past 1 billion seconds within the last day or so.

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ok, so no explosives

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

The NY police are now denying that the van had any explosives. Still, I can't sleep.

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Administrivia - Billion Second Day

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>So... what are the most outstanding examples of classic systems whose >timekeeping mechanisms have withstood the passage of time (including any >that would have if they were still running today)? Big Ben in London? :-p -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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A great loss, on topic...

by lance＠costanzo.net

That hits home. I had a some email exchanges with Tim a couple of years ago when I discovered his site and sorted through some of the disk images he had online. A great guy, and truly a great loss. At 09:42 PM 9/11/01 -0400, you wrote: >Today Tim Olmstead passed away from a battle with cancer. >A great loss. > >For those less familiar with his efforts for the classic computer >community the _Unofficial CP/M Web_ site is his effort. > >For me I lost a friend and someone that shared the love of a system >he could totally understand to the very hardware and bits that made >it run. > >Allison > > >

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OT: 767 specs

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

In case someone was curious - not sure which model of the 767 was used in each event. http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family/index.html

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May be of interest for some - list of those alright in each area.

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

Prodigy has this posted for people to be listed as OK. Not sure how accurate it might be but it might help some people. http://okay.prodigy.net/

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Sridhar?

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 09/11/2001 14:25:22, you wrote: >I think he is in Florida with Dave Mcguire and Brian Hechinger rescuing some > >machines. > > Zach yes, they are due back today or tomorrow - hopefully tomorrow.

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3 (!) building next to WTC collapsed seconds ago - (was live on German TV)

by pricomu＠compuserve.de

To all of you over there: I can?t describe what I felt when having heard those bad news an seen the first pictures... Tears are in my and many German eyes feeling with everyone injured or the people who have lost relatives or friends... As my English is not very good I?m not going to try to say more. Words are missings for those feelings... Thomas (from Germany)

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World Trade crash...

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/11/2001 11:18:39 AM Central Daylight Time, DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu writes: > > >> >> Of course the intelligence community is busy evacuating their buildings so >> it can't be reached. How they're going to do their jobs is another >> mystery. >> >> >> > > You do know that they have a second HQ hidden in a mountain somewhere... > yea, my brother said mount weather's going to get used now...

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OT: World Trade crash...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

The second plane was confirmed to be a 767, not a 737... Please contact the Red Cross to donate blood... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net] ! Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:00 AM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: OT: World Trade crash... ! ! ! How big is a 737? I didn't think an airplane would do that much ! damage. The Empire State building has been hit before, by accident, ! although, it prpbably wasn't a direct hit. ! ! I see it on TV, However. I'm stunned, really. ! ! Chad Fernandez ! Michigan, USA ! ! David Woyciesjes wrote: ! > ! > I take it you all heard about the two 737s (?) hitting the ! world trade ! > buildings... ! > one was possibly a hijacked airliner... each hit a seperate tower, I ! > believe... ! > ! > --- David A Woyciesjes ! > --- C & IS Support Specialist ! > --- Yale University Press ! > --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu ! > --- (203) 432-0953 ! > --- ICQ # - 905818 !

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[alphant] Moderator note RE: Attacks

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Dan (the moderator) is right. All of our prayers go to all those involved and hurt... Let's keep the mailing lists on topic now. I'll keep updating this page as I can. http://pages.cthome.net/squeege/wtrade/updates.html Hit refresh every once in a while... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Dan Schwartz [mailto:Expresso@snip.net] ! Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:00 PM ! To: AlphaNT Mailing List ! Subject: [alphant] Moderator note ! ! ! ! OK, folks, we know what the main details are: One World ! Trade Center tower is ! completely gone, the other is at least half gone ! ! David Woiciesjes up at Yale University Press is ! maintaining a low-bandwidth ! text site with up-to-the-minute info: ! http://pages.cthome.net/squeege/wtrade/updates.html ! ! Let's use the lists for what it's for, OK? ! ! God Bless, ! Dan ! ! ! [DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] This is a posting from the ! AlphaNT Mailing List. To unsubscribe, forward this message ! (Including these lines) to: ! <unsub-AlphaNT(a)lyris.sunbelt-software.com>. List Charter and ! FAQ at: <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/alphant-list_charter.htm> !

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World Trade crash...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Yuck, > I am already seeing mild racism from people that I run into on the > street, aimed towards people of middle eastern descent (hey look! theres a > terrorist, etc.), this is a tradgedy, and I am not looking forward to how > this country reacts. I encountered a woman with her head covered, as the Muslim women >from the Balkans wear... I smiled and nodded my head, an attempt at demonstrating that at least some Americans retain their civility during such trying times as these... -dq

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recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >I asked about PL/I not being included in the Hobbyist licensing program and > >was told that was because Compaq no longer owns PL/I. I guess APL isn't in > >the Hobbyist license set as that hasn't been a deliverable for a long time. > >Does anyone know when it was last included in the ConDist sets? If so I > >can look for it. I have several year's worth of ConDist CDs but have lost > >the paperwork that listed the included products. > > The first disk of every ConDist has the all paperwork on it as postscript > and text files. You can print it out again if you lose it :-) I believe the > '94 and '96 ConDists both have APL on them. Yes, but having someone point to the set saves me having to go through all my sets looking at the first CD. I'll check my '96 set. > >Of course a PAK generator solves the problem of missing PAKs quite nicely. > > Yes it does, however I am dearly afraid that with HP and Compaq doing the > dance that the lore of such things will be permanently lost at some point. > If Compaq would just say "screw it, the next time someone requests a > license give them a non-expiring one." my heart would rest easier... Do you mean you are worried the Hobbyist program will go away? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Sridhar?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

This is from Sridhar... ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Absurdly Obtuse [mailto:vance@ikickass.org] ! Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:17 PM ! To: David Woyciesjes ! Cc: NetBSD/Vax Mail List (E-mail); NetBSD/Sparc Mail List (E-mail) ! Subject: RE: Sridhar? ! ! ! ! I worked for some years for 3DG in the World Trade Center. I ! left about a ! year ago to join IBM. I have lost friends and colleagues ! there, that I ! know, love, and respect. I lost my former secretary. ! Luckily the office ! hadn't started up operations for the day yet, so the majority ! of the staff ! wasn't there. My brother was in the World Trade Center a ! mere two hours ! before the attack. He was back in midtown at that time. He ! is fine. My ! cousin works at 112 Wall St., and he's also fine. I count my ! blessings. ! I pray for the souls of my absent friends. ! ! Peace... Sridhar ! ! On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, David Woyciesjes wrote: ! ! > ! -----Original Message----- ! > ! From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] ! > ! ! > ! Sridhar I believe worked in a financial capacity somewhere in ! > ! Manhattan. ! > ! I hope I'm wrong. Has anyone heard from him or know if he's OK? ! > ! ! > ! I realize it's probably impossible to get any sort of ! > ! communications in or ! > ! out of that part of the city right now. ! --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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World Trade crash...

by spedraja＠ono.com

Taliban Regime ambassador on Pakistan has said that they don't have any relation with this terrorist act. He told too that Bin Laden it's not implied in the attack. Yasir Arafat, in absolute shock state, has manifested its condenation of the attack and its solidarity with the american people. Hundreds of Palestinians are celebrating the attack in the streets of the Occupied Territories in Palestina/Israel. France are in National Emergency State. Spain has reunited its basic crisis cabinet, compound by the Security Minister, the Defense Minister and the Prime Minister Cabinet Minister. One political analyst here speaks about the impossible capacity of any Medium Orient organization about organize one thing like this. I appoint, by my side, that this matter is equal to the end of the movie "The Fight Club" of David Fincher. And has one strange smell to anti-globalization, appoints another analyst. That's what we know about the matter here in Spain. All my condolences to all the victims, sincerely. Like we know well in my country, ANY terrorism is ansolutely SHIT. Regards Sergio

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Sridhar?

by foo＠siconic.com

Sridhar I believe worked in a financial capacity somewhere in Manhattan. I hope I'm wrong. Has anyone heard from him or know if he's OK? I realize it's probably impossible to get any sort of communications in or out of that part of the city right now. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Sridhar?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! -----Original Message----- ! From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] ! ! Sridhar I believe worked in a financial capacity somewhere in ! Manhattan. ! I hope I'm wrong. Has anyone heard from him or know if he's OK? ! ! I realize it's probably impossible to get any sort of ! communications in or ! out of that part of the city right now. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Vector 3/Teledisk

by mranalog＠home.com

"Bob Stek" <r.stek(a)snet.net> said: > If it provides motivation for one of you hardware types with nothing > better to do, I'd lend my support to requesting an add-in card which > could handle the 10 and 16 hole 5.25" disks and the 32 hole 8 inchers as > well (I have a lot of ProcTech Helios disks). I'm confused (which happens often). Isn't this one of the reasons we keep these old machines running. If I need to read a 10 sector N* disk, I setup a Horizon with a laptop as the terminal. And then using the N* monitor I load a group of blocks from the disk into memory and then dump that memory to the terminal with logging turned on. Dumping 32K at a time, it takes several dumps before I have the whole disk, but it's a whole lot easier then building a special controller. Just one lazy man's solution. --Doug ========================================= Doug Coward @ home in Poulsbo, WA Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog =========================================

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OT: World Trade crash...

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >Looks like it hit sideways on edge, taking out that side of the building. a > >B24 hit the ESB, not that much damage. > > Yeah I knew the ESB was hit quite some time ago, A B24 sounds right. I > imagine a B24 would be much smaller. The plane that hit the Empire State Building was a B-25, which is smaller than a B-24. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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OT: World Trade crash...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

I do believe it is for the fire sprinkler system. But I'm sure someone else knows better... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Chad Fernandez [mailto:fernande@internet1.net] ! Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:42 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: OT: World Trade crash... ! ! ! What do they have water tanks on top for? Is that a standard ! thing with ! sky scrapers? Is it for fire fighting, or is it just part of the ! running water system of the buildings? ! ! I'm from West Michigan and we don't have very many tall buildings. ! ! Chad Fernandez ! Michigan, USA ! ! Carlos Murillo wrote: ! ! > I think that the fire finished both towers. When the water ! tanks on top ! > of both towers spilled inside those superheated infernos, ! > the buildings collapsed. ! > ! > carlos. !

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Pin compatibility of 2716, 8316, 9218

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 11, 7:17, Paul Williams wrote: > Pete Turnbull wrote: > > I'd be interested to know which VT100 ROMs you have > > The standard VT100 ROMs are 031 (or 061), 032, 033, and 034, but > > there are lots of variants. > > 061, 032, 033, 034, exactly as the FMPS says. > > > I have images (and original ROMs) of 061, 032, 033, 034 but I'd > > like to get any others to add to the archive. > > They're not online, Pete! No, they're not, because they're copyrighted. But I'll make them available to you. Aside: there was a short discussion a while ago about DEC and copyright and copies and what DEC still sold. I can't remember the conclusion. What was the concensus? And does DEC still sell these ROMs? > I would like a copy of those, please, because > there is a guy on comp.sys.dec who is planning a VT100 front-end to Bob > Supnik's SIMH (thread called "Need VT100 Expert"). I would also like a > copy of the chargen ROM, 23018E2-00, if you've got it. On mine (which is actually a VT131) it's soldered directly to the board, and I'm disinclined to take it off at the moment. > Would you like a copy of the VT320 ROM? I've got that handy. Yes please :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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World Trade crash...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Of course the intelligence community is busy evacuating their buildings so it can't be reached. How they're going to do their jobs is another mystery. You do know that they have a second HQ hidden in a mountain somewhere... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu <mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu> --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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World Trade crash...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

And Camp David, no structures hit, though. THey missed thier target.. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: LFessen106(a)aol.com [mailto:LFessen106@aol.com] ! Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:34 AM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: World Trade crash... ! ! ! In a message dated 9/11/01 10:19:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ! edick(a)idcomm.com writes: ! ! > Yes ... Dubya must have REALLY pissed someone off! Reports ! are that these ! > were ! > specific attacks, and that there was also an apparently ! intentional crash ! on ! > a ! > helipad near the Pentagon ... <sigh> You'd think they'd ! get closer than ! > that ! > ... ! > ! > Dick ! ! For those of you with friends and loved ones in these areas ! my heart and ! prayers are with you. At 10:40am here on the east coast ! there have been 4 ! attacks so far. The world trade center twice, the pentagon, ! and the state ! dept bldg in washington. ! ! -Linc Fessenden ! ! In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... ! ! Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11. ! !

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World Trade crash...

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

any details on the plane crash south of PGH?

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World Trade crash...

by marino13＠btinternet.com

Yeah I agree wholeheartedly - just a tactless comment. I know everyone here in the UK will join me in sending our best wishes to everyone in the States both directly or indirectly involved. We're all absolutely stunned and sickened :( Shaun > In a message dated 9/11/2001 9:19:47 AM Central Daylight Time, > edick(a)idcomm.com writes: > > > > Yes ... Dubya must have REALLY pissed someone off! Reports are that these > > were > > specific attacks, and that there was also an apparently intentional crash > > on a > > helipad near the Pentagon ... <sigh> You'd think they'd get closer than > > that > > ... > > > > Dick > > > > oh yea, that's a really nice thing to say....

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OT: world trade updates...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Refresh this page, I add news as I get it... http://pages.cthome.net/squeege/wtrade/updates.html My main sources are my local radio, 99.1 WPLR (New Haven CT, clasic rock, www.wplr.com), who is reading the AP wire and monitoring CNN, ABC, MSNBC, and other big networks... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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OT: world trade updates...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

A page, I'll update as I can... http://pages.cthome.net/squeege/wtrade/updates.html a news page copied from cnn.com http://pages.cthome.net/squeege/wtrade/wt.html --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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World Trade crash...

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

That was shot down by the USAF before it reached its target. I think that the Pennsylvania one was also shot down. At 11:27 AM 9/11/01 -0400, you wrote: >And Camp David, no structures hit, though. THey missed thier target.. > >--- David A Woyciesjes >--- C & IS Support Specialist >--- Yale University Press >--- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu >--- (203) 432-0953 >--- ICQ # - 905818 -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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World Trade crash...

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/11/2001 9:19:47 AM Central Daylight Time, edick(a)idcomm.com writes: > Yes ... Dubya must have REALLY pissed someone off! Reports are that these > were > specific attacks, and that there was also an apparently intentional crash > on a > helipad near the Pentagon ... <sigh> You'd think they'd get closer than > that > ... > > Dick > oh yea, that's a really nice thing to say....

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[mac-nt] Re: OT: World Trade crash updates...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Both towers down now!! --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: stb [mailto:stb@scides.canberra.edu.au] ! Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:30 AM ! To: Mac-NT Mailing List ! Subject: [mac-nt] Re: OT: World Trade crash updates... ! ! ! Absolutely incredible. ! ! any list members involved ? ! ! Jees 2nd tower just collapsed..... ! ! ! Stef ! ! ! [DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] This is a posting from the ! Mac-NT Mailing List. To unsubscribe, forward this message ! (Including these lines) to ! <unsub-mac-nt(a)lyris.sunbelt-software.com>. List Charter and ! FAQ at: ! http://www.sunbelt-software.com/mac-nt-list_charter.htm <http://www.sunbelt-software.com/mac-nt-list_charter.htm>

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World Trade crash...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Pentagon too... what's next? > -----Original Message----- > From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:23 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org (E-mail) > Subject: OT: World Trade crash... > Importance: High > > > I take it you all heard about the two 737s (?) hitting the world trade > buildings... > one was possibly a hijacked airliner... each hit a seperate tower, I > believe... > > --- David A Woyciesjes > --- C & IS Support Specialist > --- Yale University Press > --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu > --- (203) 432-0953 > --- ICQ # - 905818 >

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Scanning (was Re: recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Jim Battle wrote: > At 02:16 PM 9/10/01 -0700, you wrote: > excess. The KA655 TM > >that is on the DFWCUG site appears from the PDF to be 100 > DPI/8 bit (note > >that's 800 bits per inch net and the result is harder to I don't know where 100dpi/8-bit came from - its 600dpi/1-bit (apart from maybe one or two pages which are 600dpi/8-bit). I don't know how to persuade Acrobat to tell me what the underlying resolution is, but I expect it's possible! > I agree that 300 dpi @ 1bpp is superior for text and line art > than 100 dpi > @ 8bpp, but I think your math is askew. You need to compare > the # of bits > per sq in, not inch. So 100 dpi @ 8bpp is 10KB/in^2, while > 300 dpi @ 1bpp > is 11.25 KB/in^2. For text and line art, though, the 1bpp image will > compress a lot better. I make 600dpi/1-bit to be a smidgen under 44KB/sq-in. This is an A4 scan (of a photocopy of an original which is less than A4 in all dimensions IIRC) so thats 8.5x11.5in i.e. anything less than ~4MB/page is compression kicking in! I think the pages average something like 300KB/page. I get PDF direct from the scanner but I don't think it does G4 compression. If anyone has a tool which will take in a PDF and spit out a G4-compressed PDF, I'd be very interested. I think I've seen people claim that 300dpi/1-bit scans run at about 60KB/page so I assume that G4 compression would bring these documents down to about 250KB/page (15-20% smaller). Of course, "perfect" OCR would knock it down a good deal more than that! Antonio > > And if, for some reason, you want to scan line art and text > in gray scale, > 4bpp is plenty enough. Use 8bpp only for continuous-tone images. Possibly true (although almost every page that I use 8-bit for does have a photo of some gubbin or other). But the scanner spits out 1-bit or 8-bit and there are not that many knobs available for tweaking. Antonio

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Scanning (was Re: recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Jim Tuck wrote: > To convert to PDF, I normally use ABBYY FineReader 5.0, a > very nice bit of OCR software. It preserves layout well, does > near-font conversion of readables, and includes images of > whatever is questionable. >From my pov, the most interesting question is how close to 100% correct conversion does it manage to do? Give an A4 (or US Letter) page full of text, how many errors (i.e. incorrect letter or punctuation mark) would you expect to see after proof-reading manually? (Questionable usages where the character is inserted as an image don't really count since there is no "loss" of information ... they don't help reduce the size either though). Does it take PDF wrapped around TIFF as an input? Antonio

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Scanning (was Re: recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by technos＠nerdland.org

For me, it's usually Kofax Imagecontrols for capture, destripe, deskew, and char rebuild. (I happen to have a nice Fujitsu high- speed document scanner with Kofax accelerator). I have used Photoshop and a series of filters to do the same thing, albeit slower. Gimp works just as well as PS. Photoshop on Macs, Kofax on NT, and Gimp on *nix. To convert to PDF, I normally use ABBYY FineReader 5.0, a very nice bit of OCR software. It preserves layout well, does near-font conversion of readables, and includes images of whatever is questionable. I have also used tif2ps and ps2pdf on *nix, operating on the source tiff. This is usually best if I want near-perfect PDFs >from the source images. I'll be honest; I don't have that much demand for PDF. Most of my work product is either plain ASCII text or multipage TIFF. I'll do an odd PDF once every few months for Marketing, that's it. Other people could comment much better on PDF conversion. Jim On Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:21 AM, Bruce Ray [SMTP:bkr@WildHareComputers.com] wrote: > Jim > > ...so what tools do you find adequate/appropriate for scanning > manuals, > "cleaning" them up, and converting to Adobe .pdf format... and on > what > platform(s).. > > Bruce

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Pin compatibility of 2716, 8316, 9218

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 10, 23:26, Paul Williams wrote: > I'm looking at dumping the ROMs from a VT100 board, but I'm having > trouble finding pinouts of the ROMs. > > The VT100 FMPS says that locations E40, E45, E52 and E56 on the basic > board are 8316E 2Kx8 ROMs. However, the schematics don't show the > designations for all 24 pins. The online Chip Directory doesn't contain > the pinout for the 8316 either. > > My PROM Programmer will handle 2716 EPROMs, which the Chip Dir. does > contain a pinout for, and looks compatible with the 8316. I'd be tempted > to try dumping one of them, were it not for the fact that E45 on my > board is actually labelled "AM9218CPC", the pinout for which is also > absent from the Chip Dir. > > Could anyone please tell me definitively whether the 8316, 9218 and 2716 > are pin-compatible? Nearly, providing you're referring to the 5-volt-only 2716. The polarity of the chip selects is mask-programmable on the 8316. I don't know which way DEC used for the VT100, but the way they usually did it was CS1 and CS2 (pins 18 and 20) active-low with CS3 active high (pin 21, Vpp on a 2716, which is usually at +5V for reading). The alternative is CS1, CS2, and CS3 all active-low. So if you are reading DEC 8316's on a programmer, set it for 2716, and if it reads as if empty, bend out pin 21 and ground it. I'd be interested to know which VT100 ROMs you have, since I collect such things. The number that matters is something like 23-031E2 (23- means ROM, 031 is the code number, and E2 means 16K bit). The standard VT100 ROMs are 031 (or 061), 032, 033, and 034, but there are lots of variants. I have images (and original ROMs) of 061, 032, 033, 034 but I'd like to get any others to add to the archive. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Scanning (was Re: recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Chuck McManis wrote: > This topic has gone over the list a few times, from > experience, the "best" > scans are 600 DPI black and white compressed into PDF files. No problem here. > The KA655 TM that is on the DFWCUG > site appears from the PDF to be 100 > DPI/8 bit (note > that's 800 bits per inch net and the result is harder to > read) The KA655 TM was done at 600dpi ... the source, however, was a none-too-good photocopy. Remember that Acrobat will display however you tell it to and fit-to-page on a 17" monitor looks quite different to the same on a 19" or 21" monitor. Try fit-to-width and see if that helps. > scanning this manual to my list. They don't appear to have > come up with a > 'standard' for their scans. That would help too. I suspect that if they mandated a standard then they might put off people who might otherwise contribute (and I still say that any scan is always better than no scan!). The scans just need to be good enough to be able to be OCRd perfectly 10 years from now (once someone gets around to writing OCR software that works almost perfectly rather than the current crop which seems to fail most of the time). Antonio

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by technos＠nerdland.org

I work in digital imaging for part of my living, and do work for a number of archival projects as well. 600dpi@1bpp is insane. 300dpi is usually fine, if there is a prob increase the image depth. Jim On Monday, September 10, 2001 5:17 PM, Chuck McManis [SMTP:cmcmanis@netapp.com] wrote: > > > This topic has gone over the list a few times, from experience, the > "best" > scans are 600 DPI black and white compressed into PDF files. This > achieves > exactly what is needed, get the data without a lot of excess. The > KA655 TM > that is on the DFWCUG site appears from the PDF to be 100 DPI/8 bit > (note > that's 800 bits per inch net and the result is harder to read) I'll > add > scanning this manual to my list. They don't appear to have come up > with a > 'standard' for their scans. That would help too. > > --Chuck >

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Apple ][ disk controller state machine

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Thanks, dq. I have seen that doc, but it speaks mainly of the > 3.5 drive, which had several enhancements not available on the > 5.25 drive. Was the Apple ][ controller sufficiently similar to > the IIgs and progeny that this documentation is appropriate for > it also? I've never heard the Apple ][ controller chip referred > to as 'IWM' -- is that my ignorance, or was the chip renamed, or > are they (maybe slightly) different beasts? It's my understanding that the single-chip Integrated WOZ Machine replaced and duplicated the function of the discrete-component-based equivalent on the Apple II family... FWIW, the Lisa 1 and the very first non-production Macs used a strange 5.25 inch floppy known as the Twiggy Drive... I can show you photos of Macs that had been retrofitted for the 3.5 inch drives, but those drives are visible through huge 5.25 inch gaping holes... So while I can't say with certainty, I doubt the original circuit has any capability not duplicated in the IWM chips. Regards, -dq

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IEEE-488 interface and Commodore Pet

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Sorry but your wrong. Here in the USA IEEE-488/GPIB cards are considered industrial interfaces and command premium prices. I bought one for a control system and paid $399US!! That was for a cheaper non-dma slow GPIB. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Louis Schulman <louiss(a)gate.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:13 PM Subject: Re: IEEE-488 interface and Commodore Pet >On Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:55:38 +0100 (BST), Tony Duell wrote: > >#> > I don't know if the Brain Box supplied software only works >#> > with their card or any card. >#> >#> The card claims to be compatible with the IBM IEEE card, ># >#Which IBM IEEE card? There are at least 2, and they are totally >#different. I was given an IBM IEEE488 card which uses a pair of 9914 >#chips (one for data transfer, one to send commands, I think). The one in >#the O&A Techref is based round a NEC 7210 chip. > >The information I received from Brain Boxes is that their card uses the NEC 7210 chip. They still have some >of these cards in stock, although they are no longer in production. They sent me a very helpful e-mail. The >only problem is that they want 320 pounds for one card. > >Well, I don't know what things cost in Britain, but out-of-production DOS-based ISA cards generally don't >sell for US $540. Usually, it is more like US $5, maybe new US $50. So, I don't think I will be doing any >business with Brain Boxes. > >Louis >

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recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Chuck McManis wrote: > > something up for me. Where exactly has the DFWCUG ever indicated that scans >sent to them will be made available to others? If you go to their home page ><http://www.dfwcug.org> there is no mention of it, there are no links to >any scans in their "resources" section, there is nothing at all to indicate >such things will ever become available. I'm guessing you never read John Wisniewski's post in one (or more) DECnotes conferences on the Easynet where he announced the project - several years ago now! I've sent them about 6 CDs worth of stuff (like the uVAX 2K Tech manual and the KA655 tech manual and the TU58 user guide that appeared over the weekend) so it certainly looks to me as though if you send them scans, they'll make them available. A goodly chunk of the stuff has never been through my hands so either others are sending ready made scans (which they have asked for) or they have scanned manuals themselves which others have sent to them (one of the status messages indicated that they have 500lbs of docs waiting to be scanned). AFAIK they had Digital's blessing to do this (John was openly soliciting information within Digital). Don't take my word for it - scan that 11/730 docset and see if it appears or not - the 11/780 one seems to have made it! >Actually a much better link is this one: ><http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm> OK - I see the problem now. I pointed Bill at a bunch of places when he announced decdocs.org - it's a nice easy URL and I can remember it without having to search (or organise!) my bookmarks. From there you hit the DFWCUG link and end up at http://montagar.com/~patj/dec/hcps.htm . If you go via the DFWCUG site at http://www.dfwcug.org/, hit the Cheshire cat link near the bottom. I cannot find their "mission statement" anywhere there (I'm sure it used to be there!) but a quick search turns up an update: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=Patrick+Jankowiak&hl=en&safe=off&rnum=48&s elm=3A6AA429.5241E8F5%40worldnet.att.net >However, someone decided to scan some of the manuals as low resolution 8 >bit grey scale (what a waste of someone's scanning time!) Maybe, I usually resort to greyscale for pages with photographs or fine detail that B&W seems to miss. Greyscale is better than nothing ! Antonio

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Administrivia - Billion Second Day

by cmcmanis＠netapp.com

In california that was : orbit% ./bday Time to roll is Sat Sep 8 18:46:40 2001 orbit% cat bday.c #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h> #include <sys/time.h> int main(int argc, char *argv[]) { unsigned long now; now = 1000000000L; printf("Time to roll is %s\n", ctime(&now)); exit(0); } orbit% At 02:36 PM 9/10/01, you wrote: >While IBM, HP, Dec, Intel, Microsoft, and a cast of thousands have >been duking it out for the past 31-3/4 years, UNIX time() (ref: man 3 time) >has been steadily plodding along and has quietly ticked past 1 billion seconds >within the last day or so.

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Pin compatibility of 2716, 8316, 9218

by celigne＠tinyworld.co.uk

I'm looking at dumping the ROMs from a VT100 board, but I'm having trouble finding pinouts of the ROMs. The VT100 FMPS says that locations E40, E45, E52 and E56 on the basic board are 8316E 2Kx8 ROMs. However, the schematics don't show the designations for all 24 pins. The online Chip Directory doesn't contain the pinout for the 8316 either. My PROM Programmer will handle 2716 EPROMs, which the Chip Dir. does contain a pinout for, and looks compatible with the 8316. I'd be tempted to try dumping one of them, were it not for the fact that E45 on my board is actually labelled "AM9218CPC", the pinout for which is also absent from the Chip Dir. Could anyone please tell me definitively whether the 8316, 9218 and 2716 are pin-compatible? Cheers, Paul

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Vector 3/Teledisk

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Doing it for N* and any other IE: multiple hard sector formats would be a challenge as the structure of the data differed greatly and also the timing. Also most of the hard sector controllers were uniquely dumb. By that I mean they depended on the CPU (even the lowly 8080) to do a great amount of the work. for example stepping the head in or out was usually done by setting a direction bit and timing out a step pulse(s) as needed. Sector read and write were assisted at the byte level with a usually simple FM/MFM/M2FM encode decode and a shift register plus a simple sync recognizer. Of course all of them went about it differently with variations abounding. Me I'd do a ISA to S100 adaptor and write code... ah foo it's easier to use a real ns* and far more productive. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Bob Stek <r.stek(a)snet.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, September 10, 2001 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Vector 3/Teledisk >FWIW, I did once correspond with the Catweasel guy and he said it would >do N* 10-hole hard-sectored disks, but he had never had a request or >seen a N* disk. I was supposed to send him some samples but never got a >round tuit. > >And don't forget, it has already been done - the Microsolutions >MatchPoint card allows your PC to read N* disks. Of course, just try to >find one! > >If it provides motivation for one of you hardware types with nothing >better to do, I'd lend my support to requesting an add-in card which >could handle the 10 and 16 hole 5.25" disks and the 32 hole 8 inchers as >well (I have a lot of ProcTech Helios disks). > >Bob Stek >Saver of Lost Sols > > >

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DOS 1.0 copyright string

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

The are several strings embedded in the dos bot in command.com and IBMdos. The bios was uniquely IBM and not a copy. Also there are embedded characters in the code like: code.... move a,h ret DB "D" modecode... push D RET DB "R" and so on, it's spread out a bit. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Cini, Richard <RCini(a)congressfinancial.com> To: ClassCompList (E-mail) <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:18 AM Subject: DOS 1.0 copyright string >Hello, all: > > I was able to get my hands on the two DOS 1.0 disks. So, I spent a >few minutes with Sourcer and a good hex editor in search of the DR copyright >notice. I didn't find it. > > Maybe I misunderstood the timing of the message, but I thought that >the 1.0 version of DOS contained copyright information from Digital Research >and when IBM found out, they compelled MS to expunge it, resulting in the >1.1 version. > > The file dates are as follows: > >c:\>dir a: > Volume in drive A is 3COM53_D1 > Volume Serial Number is 11DC-3A5E > > Directory of A:\ > >07/23/81 12:00a 1,920 IBMBIO.COM *** >08/04/81 12:00a 3,231 COMMAND.COM *** >08/13/81 12:00a 6,400 IBMDOS.COM *** >09/10/01 09:28a 66,235 COMMAND.LST >09/10/01 09:27a 4,374 IBMBIO.SDF >09/10/01 09:28a 143,874 IBMDOS.LST >09/10/01 09:28a 16,231 IBMDOS.SDF >09/10/01 09:27a 25,780 IBMBIO.LST >09/10/01 09:28a 10,141 COMMAND.SDF > 9 File(s) 278,186 bytes > 1,177,088 bytes free > > The files are all dated before the PC's release. I find it >interesting that the file date for DOS proper was one week before the PC >announcement. Microsoft tweaking until the last minute. > > IBMBIO contains only a revision mark and no copyright notice. IBMDOS >contains a header common to all versions of DOS ("M;S<>=~KRAA") and no >copyright notice. COMMAND contains a copyright message which is the one >probably displayed upon execution: > > The IBM Personal Computer DOS > Version 1.00 > (C)Copyright IBM Corp 1981 > Licensed Material - Program Property of IBM > > So, where did I go wrong?? > >Rich > > >========================== >Richard A. Cini, Jr. >Congress Financial Corporation >1133 Avenue of the Americas >30th Floor >New York, NY 10036 >(212) 545-4402 >(212) 840-6259 (facsimile) >

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Scanning (was Re: recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> This topic has gone over the list a few times, from experience, the "best" > scans are 600 DPI black and white compressed into PDF files. This achieves > exactly what is needed, get the data without a lot of excess. The KA655 TM I know in my case the max I can manage is 300dpi optical, but that will produce a usable document as long as it doesn't include circuit diagrams. Zane

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Scanning (was Re: recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by cmcmanis＠netapp.com

This topic has gone over the list a few times, from experience, the "best" scans are 600 DPI black and white compressed into PDF files. This achieves exactly what is needed, get the data without a lot of excess. The KA655 TM that is on the DFWCUG site appears from the PDF to be 100 DPI/8 bit (note that's 800 bits per inch net and the result is harder to read) I'll add scanning this manual to my list. They don't appear to have come up with a 'standard' for their scans. That would help too. --Chuck At 01:01 PM 9/10/01, you wrote: > > However, someone decided to scan some of the manuals as low > > resolution 8 bit grey scale (what a waste of someone's scanning time!) > >Do you mean low or high resolution? There's no need for 48 or even 16 >bit for anything not continuous tone. I got three manuals from DFWCUG >and am very happy with the quality. Perhaps they could look into more >efficient compression, though. > >John A.

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VAX 11/780 documentation requested

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

Hey guys, (and gals) Help! : ) I'm trying to find documentation to help get my 11/780 fully operational. The PDP-11/03 starts the internal self-test, but fails right before actually reading the 8" floppy. There was a diagnostic guide on E-Bay that I really wanted, and bid a pretty decent amount on, but it seems someone else needed that document more than I did. Oh well...... If anyone has spare or unused documentation for the VAX 11/780, please let me know. This is needed to get my 780 back to operation. If you want links to a site showing my 780 for proof that I indeed have one, let me know. I realize that some don't want to give up stuff to those who will just turn around and E-Bay it. - Matthew Sell Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

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HP 3000 (Micro 3000) free in New Jersey

by sieler＠allegro.com

Hi, Is anyone is interested in a free, working Micro 3000 XE (desktop size Classic HP 3000), complete with disks, tape drive ... and is willing to pick it up (or pay to have it picked up), please contact me soon. Disk drives: HP 7958, and HP 7936. Tape drive: HP 35401 (9144 cartridge tape auto changer) MPE Version is V-Delta 5. It's in Lebanon, New Jersey, off of Route 78. thanks, Stan (cc: Gunther, who knows someone driving to New Jersey soon :) Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html www.allegro.com/sieler

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VMS Licenses (was Re: recent acquisitions for the House of VA X

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Chuck McManis wrote: > >Something to note is that the VMS licenses from the Hobbyist program will >work on VMS 5.x and beyond, they will _not_ work on VMS 4.x (the LMF >changed significantly between 4.x and 5.x). However, since most "classic" The most significant change being that it sprang into existence with V5.0 :-) Before that VAX/VMS, DECnet and Clustering (and some other SIPs I forget) were enabled or enhanced using patches. I *think* that these patches were being collected in order to be made available on some future Freeware CD but I may be wrong about that. Antonio

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VAX 11/780 documentation requested

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Matthew Sell wrote: > >I'm trying to find documentation to help get my 11/780 fully operational. As of last weekend you'll find a set of six technical manuals over at: http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm They're all technical manuals rather than user guides and maintenance guides but that's all I was sent. The HW user guide may well be on its way sometime ... if it turns up I'll scan it and let you know. I've seen people on this list state before now that they have the printsets so maybe they'll appear one day. >There was a diagnostic guide on E-Bay that I really wanted, and bid a >pretty decent amount on, but it seems someone else needed that document >more than I did. Oh well...... Eighty odd dollars! You could try the seller to see if it was a duplicate and/or you could try the buyer to see if he can either help out or scan it for you. >me know. This is needed to get my 780 back to operation. If you want links >to a site showing my 780 for proof that I indeed have one, let me know. I Links would be nice anyway ... I for one would like to see a VAX-11/780 again! Antonio

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Introductory Electronics Book?

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote: > >The book you _must_ get is 'The Art of Electronics' by Paul Horowitz and >Winfield Hill. Seconded and thirded :-) I also like A Practical Introduction to Electronic Circuits by Martin Hartley Jones. Electronics for Engineers by Ahmed and Spreadbury is quite good too. Antonio

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DOS 1.0 copyright string

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: I was able to get my hands on the two DOS 1.0 disks. So, I spent a few minutes with Sourcer and a good hex editor in search of the DR copyright notice. I didn't find it. Maybe I misunderstood the timing of the message, but I thought that the 1.0 version of DOS contained copyright information from Digital Research and when IBM found out, they compelled MS to expunge it, resulting in the 1.1 version. The file dates are as follows: c:\>dir a: Volume in drive A is 3COM53_D1 Volume Serial Number is 11DC-3A5E Directory of A:\ 07/23/81 12:00a 1,920 IBMBIO.COM *** 08/04/81 12:00a 3,231 COMMAND.COM *** 08/13/81 12:00a 6,400 IBMDOS.COM *** 09/10/01 09:28a 66,235 COMMAND.LST 09/10/01 09:27a 4,374 IBMBIO.SDF 09/10/01 09:28a 143,874 IBMDOS.LST 09/10/01 09:28a 16,231 IBMDOS.SDF 09/10/01 09:27a 25,780 IBMBIO.LST 09/10/01 09:28a 10,141 COMMAND.SDF 9 File(s) 278,186 bytes 1,177,088 bytes free The files are all dated before the PC's release. I find it interesting that the file date for DOS proper was one week before the PC announcement. Microsoft tweaking until the last minute. IBMBIO contains only a revision mark and no copyright notice. IBMDOS contains a header common to all versions of DOS ("M;S<>=~KRAA") and no copyright notice. COMMAND contains a copyright message which is the one probably displayed upon execution: The IBM Personal Computer DOS Version 1.00 (C)Copyright IBM Corp 1981 Licensed Material - Program Property of IBM So, where did I go wrong?? Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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Introductory Electronics Book?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I'd like to get some recommendations from the list for a good introductory electronics book for my 14 year-old son. He's interested in building an intercom system (and other circuits) that he got off the Web, and I would like something for him to read that will give him a good understanding of how the circuit works. (For example, it uses the primary windings of a 120V:12V transformer as a coil.) TIA.

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Vector 3/Teledisk

by r.stek＠snet.net

FWIW, I did once correspond with the Catweasel guy and he said it would do N* 10-hole hard-sectored disks, but he had never had a request or seen a N* disk. I was supposed to send him some samples but never got a round tuit. And don't forget, it has already been done - the Microsolutions MatchPoint card allows your PC to read N* disks. Of course, just try to find one! If it provides motivation for one of you hardware types with nothing better to do, I'd lend my support to requesting an add-in card which could handle the 10 and 16 hole 5.25" disks and the 32 hole 8 inchers as well (I have a lot of ProcTech Helios disks). Bob Stek Saver of Lost Sols

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VMS Licenses (was Re: recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >>Hello- > >>I have been pursuuing the OpenVMS license and media for > >>about 6 months with no success. > >>i.e. > >>http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/ > >>http://www.montagar.com/dfwlug/openvms-faq.html > >>I have an AlphaStation 200/233 that I would like to install > >>OpenVMS to. > >>Do you have any ideas on how I get a copy through legal > >>or hobbiest channels? > > > Something to note is that the VMS licenses from the Hobbyist program will > work on VMS 5.x and beyond, they will _not_ work on VMS 4.x (the LMF > changed significantly between 4.x and 5.x). However, since most "classic" > folks will want to use VMS 5.5x (all MicroVAXen before the 4000 series) or > 6.x (includes the 4000s) that should be fine. Also the older ConDists sell > for reasonable amounts on Ebay. Further, there is nothing particularly > "special" about the ConDist and they can be copied using a modern CD burner > on a PC using an image copy and work just fine (this was how I got my first > ConDist) LMF was introduced with VMS 5.0. Before that the licenses were actuall patch files. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Recent finds

by optimus＠canit.se

It's been a wet week in Stockholm, but nevertheless, thanks to the waste management of the technical university, we've managed to scrounge together some interesting pieces. A lot of HP things, mainly HIL mice and keyboards, much to my joy, since I can now use my 9000/380. But what does a HIL ID module do? We also found a more or less complete 9000/425 system (no hard drives, but a monitor and two tape drives which were buried too deep for us to get at). Then we found an Apple II clone by Copam, which I've previously thought was just a soul-less PC clone manufacturer. Now it turns out that they were once a soul-less Apple clone manufacturer as well. =) The unit is called the Base-64A, which sounds supiciously like a MIME encoding, and it's got a floppy drive, too. The Base-64 was perched atop some old cabinet with a lot of rain in it and warning labels about the Winchester drive, which is a hulking full-height fourteen-inch unit. I found a card outside the cabinet which looked like a full- height QBus card. It's got two AMD 2901s, which is a bit-slice processor. Another (half-height) card was left inside the cabinet, it, too, featuring a pair of 2901s. Because we were already loaded, and because of the rain and the size of the thing, we decided to leave it behind, but I took the card I'd found with me for further identification. The card and the cabinet are made by Plessey Peripheral Systems, and my quick research indicates that this is some PDP-11 (or should it be an LSI-11?) clone. Will those two cards we found really suffice for a functioning system? Four 2901s should only add up to four bits according to my calculations... There was a lot of old terminals there as well, but I've got enough of those already. It was rather interesting to see an old Tandberg terminal of ours, though, only branded with the Norsk Data label andfeaturing an orange colour scheme instead of Tandberg's brown/beige. I suppose it's been hooked up to some Nord mini once upon a time. -- En ligne avec Thor 2.6a. "Computer games don't affect kids, I mean if Pac Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive music." David McMinn

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Any Tektronix 4051, 5042, 4054, or 4662s or IBM 5100s out the re?

by monty.mcgraw＠rlxtechnologies.com

I was successful in finding not only a 4052 with 4662 multipen plotter and 4631 hard copy unit (lots of internet searching) - but also a 4054 on EBAY! I got the 4052 working after repairing the tape drive board and cleaning the tape heads. The 4631 needed new paper and one of the toothed belts - got both and it works fine. The 4054 repair consisted of replacing one of the 16k bit DRAMs! I have also added two Tektronix 4041 GPIB controllers with one line LED displays and built in thermal printers. I now have quite a collection of 4050 and 4041 series tapes - some with my old programs from the late 70's in the USAF, some including the Tek System Tapes and some game tapes, also some of the 4052 cartridges. Sorry, at this point I'm interested in keeping my collection. Contact me direct if you are interested in any tapes, though. Monty McGraw Spring, TX (near Houston)

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HP 3000 (Micro 3000) free in New Jersey

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/10/01 2:02:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sieler(a)allegro.com writes: > Hi, > > Is anyone is interested in a free, > working Micro 3000 XE (desktop size Classic > HP 3000), complete with disks, tape drive > ... and is willing to pick it up (or pay to have it picked up), > please contact me soon. > > Disk drives: HP 7958, and HP 7936. > Tape drive: HP 35401 (9144 cartridge tape auto changer) > MPE Version is V-Delta 5. > > It's in Lebanon, New Jersey, off of Route 78. > > thanks, > > Stan I would be interested possibly. I dont know a thing about them though. I live right off of 78 in Easton PA. -Linc Fessenden In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

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Guide to Collecting Computers - on-line edition.

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 5, Absurdly Obtuse wrote: > > In 1998 the book, A Guide to Collecting Computers and Computer Collectibles: > > History, Technique, and Practice was published. An abridged edition is now > > available at: www.unusual.on.ca/guidecollectcomputer > > > > Your comments are invited as are any hints where I might find a complete > > 370/165 or 168. I'm forever hoping. > > What kind of systems are these? I will keep my eyes open. If you are > talking IBM big-iron, that can be arranged. *evil grin* I saw a 370/168 once. I'd swear it was the single largest computer I've ever seen. The building it was in had a disk drive *floor*. I had to use bleach on that underwear. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by dittman＠dittman.net

> > you should really dump the license PAK's and print them out! > > I don't get this. Isn't this like walking up to a combination lock > and saying "SHOW COMBINATION". Shouldn't be possible, > should it? No, this isn't the same. These are licenses, not locks. If anyone is curious, the command is "LICENSE ISSUE xxx", and issuing the license disables it, so you have to "LICENSE ENABLE xxx" to reenable. Also, I'd recommend using the /OUTPUT qualifier if you are going to print the licenses and using both /OUTPUT and /PROCEDURE if you want a copy that you can easily reload later. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Recent finds

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 10, Iggy Drougge wrote: > research indicates that this is some PDP-11 (or should it be an LSI-11?) > clone. > Will those two cards we found really suffice for a functioning system? Four > 2901s should only add up to four bits according to my calculations... The 2901 is four bits wide. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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DOS 1.0 copyright string

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Hello, all: > > I was able to get my hands on the two DOS 1.0 disks. So, I spent a > few minutes with Sourcer and a good hex editor in search of the DR copyright > notice. I didn't find it. > > Maybe I misunderstood the timing of the message, but I thought that > the 1.0 version of DOS contained copyright information from Digital Research > and when IBM found out, they compelled MS to expunge it, resulting in the > 1.1 version. My recollection (often wrong) was that there was a sequence of code (load register, move to another register, do a call, etc) that was taken verbatim from CP/M and used in DOS; not an ASCII string containing a copyright notice. Regards, -doug q

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Free PDP 11/34 complete setup - Littlerock, CA

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Surely someone in CA can help rescue this system. Info below (I got this @ my pdp11.org address). Please email Kristina directly. pdp11/34 with rsts/e software up for grabs Hello, I have a pdp11/34 with rsts/e software up for grabs. It was my fathers, Bill Ramsey, and it needs a good home since he passed away. There are modems,books, software, tape decks, peripherial equiptment (monitors and computers) and spare PCB's. Just give us a call at 661-944-9550 or email us back at kaesplace(a)aol.com. We are located in Littlerock,CA. Thank you for your time. Sincerly, Kristina Roberts Hello Bill, the PDP11 and associated components roughly occupies the equivilant of 3 refrigerators. There is the main unit, about 8ft tall and width of a filing cabinet, the isolation transformers, the same width and 5ft tall, and then a dozen or so boxes of software, spare boards and literature, as well as a printer and the monitor, plus 2 remote processors. You may be able to get it all into a pickup truck with a large capacity bed. We live in Southern california 60 miles NE of L.A. regards Charles and Kristina Roberts. -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by dittman＠dittman.net

> > No, this isn't the same. These are licenses, not locks. > > No argument from me. I've been checking the document > archives and I used to know this, but how do you display > the system ID? There was a GetSYI parameter or some > such... I imagine the number can be displayed from the > console as well without an OS booted or even present. > > And... is this a number that Encompass will accept? Do you mean the hardware ID? If so, either enter the serial number or you can make one up. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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HP & Compaq

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! I've brought in consultants offering to do everything from a ! similar temporary fix to a complete re-wire.... but there's ! no acknowledgement on the part of said former supervisor ! who is also the closet thing we have to a comptroller that we ! actually have a problem. He said to drop it until I could ! PROVE the wiring wss the problem, and however that might be ! done would likely require resources I don't have. Sounds like you need to borrow cable testing equipment, and show him the results of your cables, compared to the results of a building wired properly... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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2.9BSD UNIX available for PDP-11/23 with MSCP

by engdahl＠cle.ab.com

A version of 2.9BSD UNIX which runs on a PDP-11/23 with MSCP hard drives is now available at: http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/PDP-11/Distributions/ucb/2.9BSD-MSCP/ I tested this on a PDP-11/23 consisting of a KDF11-A CPU, 256 Kb RAM, Andromeda UCD11, SLU card, and a 20 megabyte Seagate ST-225 hard drive. UNIX can be recompiled on this machine. Support for loading 2.9BSD via VTserver from a PC is also included. You have to have a UNIX license before you can access the files. You can get this for free starting here: http://minnie.tuhs.org/PUPS/ -- Jonathan Engdahl???????????????? Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer????? 24800 Tungsten Road Advanced Technology????????????? Euclid, OH 44117, USA Euclid Labs????????????????????? engdahl(a)cle.ab.com 216-266-6409

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recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by dittman＠dittman.net

> > >Of course a PAK generator solves the problem of missing PAKs > > quite nicely. > > > > Yes it does, however I am dearly afraid that with HP and > > Compaq doing the > > dance that the lore of such things will be permanently lost > > at some point. > > AFAIK, the PAKGEN program that third parties > were allowed to purchase would only > generate PAKs in the name of that > third party. So simply having PAKGEN > would not allow you to generate DEC PAKs! True, and PAKGEN was only available to run on a VAX, not an Alpha, so you had to keep a VAX around. > OTOH several people reverse-engineered > the PAK checksum and at least one > company were selling a PAKGEN-like service > until they were "leaned on". Reverse engineering is what most people did. I know of one company still selling a PAK generator, but like PAKGEN it only lets you generate PAKs for your own products. Was the company that was stopped selling a PAK generator or were they selling generated PAKs? If they were selling a PAK generator I don't see how they could be stopped. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 9/9/01 11:21:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gunther(a)aurora.regenstrief.org writes: > Hi, > > I have a contact who needs to get rid of a VAX 11/750 and an > 11/730 real soon and they are in Sommerset County, New Jersey. > A picker-upper would be preferred. There is also an HP 3000/48. > Let me know who wants them and can pick up. If there is contention, > I think one should try sharing, so let me know which one you > really really badly want if you have to choose. Please let me know. Would love to get a hold of a 750 :-) I can find homes for the others as well if nobody else shows an interest here. I am also fairly close by in eastern PA. -Linc Fessenden In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

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recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Chuck McManis wrote: > At 10:41 AM 9/8/01 -0500, Eric wrote: > >Of course a PAK generator solves the problem of missing PAKs > quite nicely. > > Yes it does, however I am dearly afraid that with HP and > Compaq doing the > dance that the lore of such things will be permanently lost > at some point. AFAIK, the PAKGEN program that third parties were allowed to purchase would only generate PAKs in the name of that third party. So simply having PAKGEN would not allow you to generate DEC PAKs! OTOH several people reverse-engineered the PAK checksum and at least one company were selling a PAKGEN-like service until they were "leaned on". Antonio

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recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Chuck McManis wrote: > A VAXServer 3100/M48 (yet another one I didn't have > yet.) with all the option cards (multi-serial, DMF32, > etc) I don't think a DMF-32 will even physically fit in a VAXserver/VAXstation 3100: it's a UNIBUS card! You probably have a DSH32 and/or DST32. > A bunch of manuals, including the VT103 users guide > and a bunch of VAX 11/730 manuals (including the CPU > technical manual!) It would be nice to see this scanned and made available (especially the VAX-11/730 stuff). Antonio

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