September 2001 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >The later SBBs used SCA drives, which makes things much easier. > > Wouldn't that be on the wide drives for BA356's though? Or did they use > them for Narrow SBB's? That would be the wide drives for BA356's. Do they still make the narrow SBBs? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/ For the Afghanistan weather forecast, see http://www.dittman.net/weather.html

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DEC SBB boxes, what drive?

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >The problem is, which drive, depends on which ribbon is in the SBB. > > Sigh, I was afraid of that. The one in at least one of them is 17-03503-01. The later SBBs used SCA drives, which makes things much easier. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/ For the Afghanistan weather forecast, see http://www.dittman.net/weather.html

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Next Megapixel display

by lgwalker＠mts.net

I'm gradually getting my collection esconced in my new home in the boonies of central Manitoba. In trying to set up my beloved Next Color slab I'm dismayed that the 17" Megapixel isn't functioning. Before, the monitor was a bit flakey and would go to sleep on me occasionally. I've tried to find specs but the only useful one I've found is in the Peanuts FAQ archive. Unfortunately it gives no descriptions of the external controls. On the lower left side of the display is a button with a screen and vertical line symbol which doesn't appear to be working. What is it's function ? I had imagined it was a screen blanker. Also since I get static discharge on the screen when I depress the on-off in either position what is the ON position of the switch. In to the cabinet or protruding from the face. I've forgotten. I've been avoiding opening up since there's so many other pressing things to be done and you can't see thru the air-vents to see any life. Thanks for any help. Lawrence appear to be working. Reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net

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DEC SBB boxes, what drive?

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Hello Everyone, I've got some DEC SBB (Storage Works disk cartridges) boxes that the previous owner "liberated" the SCSI drives from. I thought I might put some drives that I have in them however they are clearly set up so that one "backplane" was used for each particular drive. So to use these I'd need to replace their innards with 4.3GB drives. I would like to know which 4.3 gb SE SCSI drive DEC/Compaq/HP :-) used in these so that when I find one or two I can replace them. Conversely, if someone needs/wants an empty SBB box let me know. --Chuck

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Nec Multisync II monitor

by technos＠nerdland.org

On Saturday, September 15, 2001 11:14 PM, Mike Ford [SMTP:mikeford@socal.rr.com] wrote: > >>I have a pretty rough looking Nec Multisync II monitor in my car, > >>hope it > >>works, but more so hope its one of the "good" monitors to have the > >>list has > >>talked about in the past, is it? > > > >It certainly is. It's a multisync which will sync down to 15KHz (same > >as TV > >modes and "RGB" monitors) analogue as well as digital. > >Watch out for its big brother, the 3D. > > Thats what one of my other friends said, NEC II good, 3D better. I > haven't > even tested this one for working yet, and it is ROUGH from poor > handling > (ie gash in the case side). Still if it works I'll keep it for bench > use, > or wait til I find a dead one in a nicer case. > I'm sorry to say I sent two dozen 3D to a scrap company six months ago.. Jim

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computingt

by dittman＠dittman.net

> It's not an Emulator is better or worse thing for me. I cant yet buy a > z80 > that runs faster than MyZ80 on a PIII/550. At the other extreme that > said > PIII still cant emulate the keyboard layout of a Vt100 or VT220 worth > poop. The PIII will emulate the keyboard layout of a VT220 if you use an LK461 keyboard. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Some new stuff. What is it?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! ...and two RJ-style(6 pins, and an offset clip) COM ! ports.... Those would be DEC MMJ ports... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Zap-a-pal

by zaft＠azstarnet.com

I have a zap-a-pal PAL programmer card, but just the bare card, no programming pods or docs, not sure if I found software or not. Does anyone know anything about this? If someone knows the pod pinouts I assume I could rig one up myself. Gordon Zaft zaft(a)azstarnet.com

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric Dittman <dittman(a)dittman.net> > >My AmproLB doesn't have the SCSI daughterboard so I prefer an emulator. Mine is the later LB+ that has the SCSI chip {5380} on board. My box is one I got at DEC that is exactly the same size as a BA11-VA with same openings but from a proto so it's light grey {DEC 68} and aluminum and compact. It has: Fujitsu 45mb 3.5" SCSI Two 3.5" floppies (720/781kb) I use it with VT240 or 330. Allison

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VAX 7800 CPU and Memory Modules

by dittman＠dittman.net

> That must be why I repeatedly get out bid by the same guys over and over > again. Sometimes I don' even bother because I know they'll outbid me. Yes, I know of at least three bidders that are businesses. I also know that they can always outbid me, and at least two of them use some kind of automated sniping tool. > While bidding on a DSSI drive, I actually won the auction, then the > seller "elobby" went awol.... he's no longer registered, and I had > already paid him. It's odd, he has nothing but glowing feedback. It's > not due to the WTC either, it was before that. I bought a DSSI drive from elobby, and it did arrive. I see their last feedback entry was on Sep. 7, and you are right, elobby is now unregistered. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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VAX 7800 CPU and Memory Modules

by dec.parts＠verizon.net

Hi Gang, With our contacts to 1200 companies, in 100 countries, on 6 continents, my company is going to try to source these parts. It's doubtful they would buy directly from private individuals in single quantities, but we will. If any of you have CPU and Memory modules for VAX 7800's that you would like to sell, email back the module numbers and your asking prices immediately. Sincerely, Bennett

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dittman＠dittman.net

> I like to and MyZ80 allows it to be more portable than my S100 crate or > the Kaypro. > Then again, my AmproLB system with 45mb disk is far smaller than most > PCs. My AmproLB doesn't have the SCSI daughterboard so I prefer an emulator. I used to have the LB stuck in a full-size tower with my Wintel system along with a couple of 5.25" floppies. The primary serial port went back to one of the Wintel system's serial ports and the light and reset button went on another 5.25" cover plate. Unfortunately an emulator was more convenient. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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L@@K and L@UGH!

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >Well if its a KA694 then that wouldn't be a horrible price. I don't > have my > >KA670 out of the machine so that I could check against that one. It > > >definitely doesn't look like the KA692. > > The REX520 screams Rigel to me: KA670. > I don't have one handy to visually > inspect though. > > Look at the AlphaServer 2100 memory auction too: same price! The specs (28ns) are definitely KA670, plus it looks like the KA670 I sold just this past week. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

You, sir, are a freak. ;) -Dave On September 15, Chad Fernandez wrote: > Well, Okay, which one of you is the Queen? :-) > > Chad Fernandez > Michigan, USA > > Brian Hechinger wrote: > > > in most cases i speak for dave and myself. we're a collective. :) -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Solomon Splitting the list... (was: Classic Computers vs. Classic

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>> > I've never seen SPDT dipswitches in computers. I have some. Also I have some S100 boards that used them for address selection. Allison

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Ok, We all need a topic to take our minds of the WTC attack. Here's one I've been meaning to bring up, surely it will generate a lot of discussion. In a recent thread, Tony Duell expressed a lack of interest in the emulators and simulators of old iron that are now circulating. His reasons centered around his love of hardware. From my perspective, it appears that for Tony, the experience of computing cannot be separated from the experiencing of the computer. My reading of this mailinglist's charter leads me to conclude that the group is here for the benefit of the Tonys (BTW, Tony, I'm *not* picking on you) in the world, those for whom the hardware *is* the end-all be-all of the Classic _Computer_ experience. I confess I don't like that- the Classic Computers for which I lust the most will forever remain inaccessible (and few examples will even continue to exist). However, as both an RJE operator and as a mainframe user, I found the experience to be more about the _computing_ and less about the _computer_. Exceptions included (back in the 70s) of building an IMSAI, a SOL, hacking a KIM-1, etc. But after we got the hardware running, the fun part was in creating the _computing environment_. So, I think the formal name and the charter of this group should change to reflect an interest in Class Computing. The only real change would be that discussions about the eumlators and simulators would no longer be OT unless they drift into details of programming the emu/simulators themselves. Additionally, more detailed discussions of the Classic Operating Systems would be similarly on-topic. I'm not sure how many of you have ever thought about this; but now that I've broached the subject, whaddy'all think? Regards, -doug quebbeman

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > For a monitor, I followed Lancaster's instructions on how to take > > an old B&W TV set and pull the unneeded circuitry (except for the > > tubes; they stayed in, heaters wired in series). The mods all helped > > In the UK, most series-string valve TV sets had a hot chassis (directly > connected to one side of the mains). Actually, a number of transistorised > sets did as well. [..snip..] > Did US TVs have proper isolating mains transformers, even though they had > series-string heaters? No; I bought an isolation transformer, a stand-alone unit. > > And I think I even got to like the smell of solder.. especially > > the Ersin Multicore stuff made in the U.K... why, there's some > > Nice, isn't it :-) Yup! > > yes, I've used all kinds of techniques to repair such damage. > > As have I. It gets more fun when it's an SMD-built board, with tracks > very close together :-) Haven't ever had to *fix* a multilayer board, but did hack on one (early Mac). > > > > But you can't damage software... which is one of the things that > > Hmmm... If you don't have backups you can :-) Oh, I got the backup religion long, long ago... > Actually, one thing I tend to worry about it misconfiguring a piece of > software and not being able to go back to the original configuration that > worked at least partially. Doing the same with hardware never bothers me. On the tricky stuff, I try to save the configurations, either in files, or on paper. > I gurss it comes down to experience. I know enough about hardware to see > what I've done and put it right. The same is not true of software... I've also done some embedded systems hardware development. But it tended to be taking the evaluation design from the databooks and massaging it into a working design, so I can't take too much credit. > > resisters, capacitors, transistors, and 7400-series chips. It > > How good will that emulation be? If I accidentally connect a pin on the > TTL chip to the -15V rail, what happens? Does the chip fail in the same > way that a real one does? Are you going to be able to emulate every > possible circuit (hint : No CAD system's simulator has ever maanged to > 'pass' my tests (namely a dozen or so nasty circuits). Would you settle for a graphic rendering of the magic smoke escaping? ;-) > > could also have an emulated soldering iron & solder. Ever wish > > I suppose you're going to add a little heater element and some flux so as > to give the right smells (a bit like those smoke generators the model > railway crowd use). And a device that burns my fingers from time to time. That might have to wait for the development of tactile interfaces, but rest assured, that's well underway... > I suppose next you'll be suggesting the floor of the emulated machine > room does not magically transport small components dropped on it into > another room.... So, your shop has funky space-time problems, too? ;-) -dq

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On the real machine you can solder up a few TTL chips, wire them to the > bus connector and add another peripheral. You can't easilly do that on an > emulator. Or you can solder wires onto the chips on the CPU board of a > mini, clip a logic analyser to them, and watch the data flow through the > ALU and registers. > > Yes, you can do _similar_ things with emulators, but not quite the same. > No flames intended, but I'll stick to the real machines ;-) BTW, if it wasn't implicit (it is to me), I wouldn't have much of a need for an emulator for a machine that's readily available, or if rare, easy on the pocketbook to keep running (parts, electricity, etc). We can't all be Megan Gentry, Eric Smith, or Daniel Seagraves (owners of DEC-10&20s who come immediately to mind)... Now, Jim Battle's doing a SOL emulator. Great idea, I might want to play with a SOL at work. But my SOL was the machine I did exactly the kinds of things you describe. Unlike many, I didn't buy even the complete SOL kit. I bought only the motherboard and a folder of schematics and instructions for component assembly. By December 1976, all it could do was display a test pattern consisting of essentially a dump of the character generator ROM. As time went by, I continued buying components. It was getting close to being finished, but I needed a keyboard. I bought one surplus, taken from a TI Silent 700. However, the strobe was inverted and either too long or too short (can't recall). So I fingered through Don Lancaster's TTL Cookbook until I came across the 74121, which I hadn't used yet. I used it to change the strobe width, and one gate in a NAND wired as an inverter to flip the logic direction. Next, I needed some kind of key-repeat. Like many early terminals, there was no auto-repeat, but instead, the keyboard included a REPEAT key. A couple of 555s and some more gates from the NAND, and I was almost done. I ended up adding a lightpen interface to the design, then built it up permanently using a Rat Shack proto board. Stuck that inside a generic keyboard enclosure along with the TI keyboard, and I could now talk to my SOL. For a monitor, I followed Lancaster's instructions on how to take an old B&W TV set and pull the unneeded circuitry (except for the tubes; they stayed in, heaters wired in series). The mods all helped boost the bandwidth of the monitor a bit. The image quality ended up being quite good, and I sold it to another guy who'd bought a complete SOL kit sans monitor (I'd bought an actual monitor by this time). I enjoyed every minute of the 18 months it took me to make that forty-dollar naked PC board into a usable computer. Or termninal, actually... its raison d'etre was to hook up to my beloved and much missed CDC 6600 & DEC-10! And I think I even got to like the smell of solder.. especially the Ersin Multicore stuff made in the U.K... why, there's some now, and no iron in sight... But as much as I enjoyed fooling with hardware, the software had an even stronger draw. Just as you can only erase a piece of paper so many times before it disintegrates, you can only re- solder a PC board so many times before you've fried it. And yes, I've used all kinds of techniques to repair such damage. But you can't damage software... which is one of the things that I find attractive about it. Emulators represent the ultimate convergence of hardware and software... Hey, I just had an idea... how about an emulator that goes all the way down to the component level? One which actually emulates resisters, capacitors, transistors, and 7400-series chips. It could also have an emulated soldering iron & solder. Ever wish you had three hands for a difficult assembly? No problem in this proposed emulator! We'll just add an emulated hand... or two... or... ;-) -dq

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Q. Who remembers the "see" editor for the ibm pc?

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

I just realized that every now and then I still use the first editor that I learned for the ibm pc, whenever I'm too lazy or don't need the power of vi (and the file that I want to edit is less than 64K in size). It is called see.exe and it is 32768 bytes long. The version string reads SEE: Screen Editor V2.0: (c) 1982,83,84 Michael Ouye The file date is 3-16-84. For its size, it is actually pretty useful and you can even record and replay macros. It is one of the first programs that I copy to any pc-compatible even if it (the pc) has been winblowsized. Is anybody acquainted with this program? carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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VAXEN

by donm＠cts.com

Looks as though there is a growing demand for them. - don -------- Path: nntp.cts.com!galanthis.cts.com!newspeer.cts.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3BA123E5.CCB1F35C(a)iu.net> From: Bob C <bc(a)iu.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: VAX 7800 Systems or CPUs needed ASAP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:28:22 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-JMoUAGiispUQRU0wjhKYuMTuQMXLo3hljdoJWqTau+DeJJ1pFvbWSWDRk+pkOKwIVY/GNjelq2JqzY3!5//51v4yYd2SKBszu/VredTz1sjnRL367Ttr614cxdfTn0ewLiOGSGhQ9wM= X-Complaints-To: abuse(a)GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:28:22 GMT Xref: nntp.cts.com comp.os.vms:104521 One of our customers lost a lot of VAXes in the WTC attack. If you have any excess VAX 7800 let me know and I'll connect you with the right resources. Thanks Bob Comarow -- end of forwarded message --

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L@@K and L@UGH!

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Chuck McManis wrote: >Well if its a KA694 then that wouldn't be a horrible price. I don't have my >KA670 out of the machine so that I could check against that one. It >definitely doesn't look like the KA692. The REX520 screams Rigel to me: KA670. I don't have one handy to visually inspect though. Look at the AlphaServer 2100 memory auction too: same price! Antonio

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Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 14, Gunther Schadow wrote: > Here are the "winners" according to my notes: > > VAX 11/730 - John Allain > VAX 11/750 - Sridhar, Vance, Master of all that Sucks, Absurdly Obtuse > HP 3000 - Lee or Bob Uhhhh...Crap, I thought those VAXen were ours, Brian...whaddup wit dat? -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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RT11 basic commands

by mirko.pikalo＠guest.arnes.si

Please, somebody helps me with RT11 basic commands. Where I can find them on the net? Mirko

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ENOUGH ALREADY

by west＠tseinc.com

I sincerely agree as to the tragedy of recent US events. My heart goes out to all affected. HOWEVER, this is a classic computer mailing list. The discussion on the WTC stuff is very interesting, but it belongs on all the myraid of other lists present on the net for this purpose. What on EARTH posessed people to think we needed blow by blow updates on this list about current world events? Think - if you have to put "OT" in the subject of your message, it probably doesn't belong here. Regards, Jay West

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L@@K and L@UGH!

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, see this http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1274886271 he's trying to sell a VAX 4000 CPU for $999.0 and no, it's not a typo, BuyItNow says $2000 something. cheers, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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Free: Sony CPD-1320 VGA monitor

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

This is one monitor I can no longer justify owning. It is a nice trinitron VGA monitor with few hours on it, however it is a fixed frequency 31.25Khz/60Hz monitor. It makes an excellent "spare" monitor for a laptop with a damaged screen or a rack mounted system, etc, etc. At 13" it doesn't take up too much space and its easily lifted by one person. Its in Sunnyvale, CA. If you're willing to pay the packing and shipping (I do not have the original packing material so I would have to take it to be packed) I can mail it to you. Fortunately, it looks like tomorrow I'm going to finally get my mailings done for those of you who are patiently waiting. --Chuck

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Qualstar 1260 9-track tape drive manual anyone?

by djenner＠earthlink.net

Perchance does anyone have an operations and/or maintenance manual for the Qualstar Model 1260 9-track tape drive? This was a popular drive in the late '80s and early '90s, especially for use with PCs. It's very compact, works in vertical or horizontal attitude, and is basically reel-to-reel without any tensioning mechanism. It was sold by Qualstar and in systems by other vendors such as Overland Data and Chi Corporation. Thanks. -- David C. Jenner djenner(a)earthlink.net

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > In a recent thread, Tony Duell expressed a lack of interest in the > > emulators and simulators of old iron that are now circulating. His > > True. But let me say a couple of things here... Ok... > > reasons centered around his love of hardware. From my perspective, > > it appears that for Tony, the experience of computing cannot be > > separated from the experiencing of the computer. > > That much is also true. As I've said a few times before, I am an > electronics hacker primarily. My interest in computers is to consider > them as (fairly) complex electronic circuits to be investigated, hacked, > modified, repaired, etc. This is (I know) somewhat unconventional, but.... No so unconventional... I started with hardware (hacking the family TV, stereo, and phones)... > Since you can't (usefully) take a soldering iron to an emulator, it > explains why I am not interested in them. Isn't rosin (ersin) carcinogenic? Just kidding! > > I confess I don't like that- the Classic Computers for which I > > lust the most will forever remain inaccessible (and few examples > > You can probably gather from the above that I don't like it either! Sure, > _I_ am interested in the hardware, but this list would be very boring if > all memeber were like me. I feel that this list should cover other > aspects of classic _computing_. Yes, keep the hardware repair and > preservation (the bits I am interested in), but also include stuff on > emulators, programming techniques for the older machines, software > preservation, and everything else related to _computing_ 10 years or more > ago. Again, I didn't want you to feel picked-upon. However, for each of us who posts, I'd bet there are ten who don't. Of those of us who do post, each of us appears to represent yet a different facet of this interest area. You post a lot, and I believe, whether you realize it or not, that you represent a viewpoint held by many subscribers. In siezing upon your words, I was really trying to focus on one particular viewpoint, in order to place it in comparison and contrast with a different viewpoint. > > So, I think the formal name and the charter of this group should > > change to reflect an interest in Class Computing. The only real > > I am assumeing that's a typo for 'Classic Computing'. In which case you > have my vote... @*#$^@*#& Where's that damned DWIM keyboard when I need it??? ;-) > > change would be that discussions about the eumlators and simulators > > would no longer be OT unless they drift into details of programming > > the emu/simulators themselves. Additionally, more detailed discussions > > Why the last exclusion? I've never heard of a discussion on how to > diagnose hardware faults using modern test equipment being branded as > off-topic. Nor using modern parts to repair old machines. Nor using > modern machines as an aid to restoring/preserving old hardware. Why > should writing emulators be any different. It can quickly degenerate into "this version of GCC does <x> but doesn't do <yz>"... most of the sims are relying on GCC for portability. Or, do we build it as one huge monolithic source, or modularize the source? Separate execution modules running as native processes, or one big carefully-coded "superloop" that polls everything? For that level of discussion, it may prove beneficial to have a mailinglist dedicated to emulator/simulator theory. But if there is insufficient interest to mandate a separate list, ok, this is as fine a place as any for the discussions. > I don't particularly want to see complete listings for emulators (many > megabytes of C source) posted here, but certainly techniques for writing > them could be classed as on-topic, I think. Agreed... -dq

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Why is this so slow?

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: >Rich --- > Actually, my time estimate was a little wrong. The messages take >about an hour and a half... [snip] I've not seen lags anywhere near that -- mebbe 5-10 minutes at most. My Eudora checks mail every 4 minutes, and it's usually 2 checks & it's there. Methinks it might be something on your end... Have you called your ISP? I'll time this one and see what I end up with... HTH, "Merch" -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> What really puts me off emulators is that they're so awfully lame. How can an > emulator be lame? Well, it's not as much the emulators as the crowd > surrounding them. They're usually Win#? kids who know nothing about old > computers, really don't care, and just want games, games, games, all for free. Apples and oranges, Iggy. That's a totally different emulator world than the one I'm talking about. In the world I'm talking about, I don't think anyone creating emulators is under 40 years of age (well, Daniel Seagraves is under 40, I think). However, MAME32 which I assume is one of the game emulators to which you're referring, is well-constructed. And since the mainframe that I'm working to emulate had a vector graphics display as its system console, rather than reinvent the wheel, I intend on using the MAME32 codebase to build the CDC 6602/6612 display console emulator. This is a serious project that will be able to run all the operating systems and product set software that the real iron was running in 1976. Eventually, it will even have emulated card readers and punches; a web page will provide the user the ability to create what appear to be perfect IBM unit-records (punch cards), in the form of an image, then the punched card will go into a visually-represented deck. Then, you'll be able to grab the deck with the mouse, with the pointer changing into a hand, as you drop the deck into the image of a card reader. The job will then be read by the emulated mainframe, and processed until completion. Simulated lineprinters will be constructed using captured images of the actual "fonts" used by the printer (chain, band, etc). I may even include an option for greenbar paper. But ultimately, my underlying motivation is the same as the "game-kiddi3s" to which you refer: they can't afford the real thing, and neither can I. If I owned the mainframe of my choice, running it for a single week could consume my entire year's salary. Now, I don't want to dissuade you from your opinion. But I think perhaps you hadn't thought about emulators in the broader context to which I'm referring... Regards, -dq

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computingt

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >> PIII still cant emulate the keyboard layout of a Vt100 or VT220 worth > >> poop. > > > >The PIII will emulate the keyboard layout of a VT220 if you use an LK461 > >keyboard. > > > Thats one solution. The other is a real VT{100|125|330|340} or H19 since > I do have them and prefer the feel of the keyboards and their respective > layouts. The LK461 has the same feel and layout as the LK201 used on the VT-330 and VT-340. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Mac Plus as a webserver...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! >Properly known as the 'Macintosh SE FDHD'. Yep, I got one of ! >these, running ! >OS 6.0.7, 50MB HDD, and 4MB RAM... ! ! I've got both kinds, one of which which is equipped with a ! 3Com Ethernet card. ! Unfortunately, 3Com seem to have forgotten all about making ! such a beast, and ! have even managed to reuse its model number on some PCMCIA card. =/ 3Com? I didn't know that they believed in Macintosh! ! >Yeah, the SE/30 is a 68030, 16MHz; with 68882 FPU and 0.5K ! >of L1 cache! Have ! >two of these, OS 7.1 and 7.0.1... ! ! Me too, but shouldn't that be a 68881? My info is taken from the Apple Spec Database, and that's what they wrote... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Bob Shannon <bshannon(a)tiac.net> wrote: > Can you tell me anything about the HP3000/48? Physically, it's the size and almost the shape of a desk, meaning there's a woodgrain top and it can double as the console table. However, what's under the desk is the processor, memory, I/O interface cards, and power supply, which makes the whole lot kind of heavy. Oh yes, and if you use it as the console table, look down by your right knee for a power switch. Think about "right knee" and "power switch" a bit, and then go find something to keep them safe from each other. This will be faithful to contemporary practice; I've seen cardboard taped over the switch, and also seen those magnetic covers used by telco guys to cover mated 50-pin jacks (and stick them to a nearby steel desk, cabinet, or radiator) in office settings. -Frank McConnell

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DEC Keyboards (was: Re: Classic Computers vs. Classic)

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I wonder if the mushiness of the LK201 was a response to complaints that > the VT100 keyboard was a little too heavy at times. As a VT100 keyboard > aged the keys seem to develop little "catches" that made some keys more > difficult to depress. I'm guessing it's more the type keyswitches they bought, or did they outsource the entire keyboard? > A VT2x0/VT3x0/VT4x0/VT5xx can emulate a VT100, so use an emulated VT100 > with an emulated PDP-10. :-) I'm already doing that with a VT420 :^) Zane

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 14, 8:18, Jonathan Engdahl wrote: > An idea that I've been thinking about is the re-implementation of a classic > architecture (for me, probably a PDP-11) using entirely modern hardware. [...] > Another approach would be to view a Wintel > PC as a microcoded platform, and reimplement the PDP-11 on that hardware. > The microcode would be written in tightly crafted Pentium code. The machine > would bootstrap itself by loading the microcode from a special partition on > the hard drive. Why not burn it into (EP)ROM? 64K for the opcode jump table fits in a 27512, you maybe want about the same again for the code, and that would fit in some devices used for BIOS ROMs these days. Or put it on a SIMM or DIMM. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Cromemco 16FDC and IMSAI front panel

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

I'd have to see the schematics but I'd bet a timing difference or a conflict on a bus line usage. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sudbrink <bills(a)adrenaline.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, September 14, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: Cromemco 16FDC and IMSAI front panel >I brought this up some time ago, but never >got a satisfactory answer... > >When I use the above combination (regardless >of CPU board), while the system in general >works fine, the deposit/examine functionality >of the front panel stops working. Somebody >said they knew of a fix, but then never posted >anything else. I've looked at the schematics >(I have them for both items) and can't for the >life of me see anything that would conflict. > >Any help greatly appreciated. >

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Why is this so slow?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>From: "David Woyciesjes" <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> >To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:06 AM >Subject: Why is this so slow? > > >> Does anyone have any idea why it takes upwards of 15-20 minutes >> (seems longer sometimes) for my postings to this list to get sent back out? Fire your ISP or find out why they use a string for a link. Allison

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric J. Korpela <korpela(a)ssl.berkeley.edu> >In the case of CP/M machines, running an emulator on a modern machine with >a decent OS greatly improves the development environment. I find myself >developing software on my PIII in a native editor, compiling/assembling with >MyZ80, and transfering it to the CP/M machines for use there. (Not that I do >a lot of CP/M development.) I like to and MyZ80 allows it to be more portable than my S100 crate or the Kaypro. Then again, my AmproLB system with 45mb disk is far smaller than most PCs. Allison

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[Donna.Deleon@COMPAQ.com: Urgent Vax 7800]

by cmcmanis＠netapp.com

Maybe the Pentagon is going to use VAX 7800's in their retaliatory strike for the WTC attacks. They are certainly as heavy as DU rounds :) Seriously though, a couple of things have come to light in the aftermath of this event: 1) VAXen are so reliable that several people keep them in production envirionments even today. 2) When you destroy a facility at large as the WTC and Pentagon off site backups don't help if they only system of capable of running your backups gets destroyed as well. Only the very serious disaster recovery plans consider the case that the entire datacenter is destroyed. At 01:50 PM 1/6/80, you wrote: >Area code 719? THAT'S NEWFOUNDLAND! SOMETHING IS UP!

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! ...In a recent thread, Tony Duell expressed a lack of interest in the ! emulators and simulators of old iron that are now circulating. His ! reasons centered around his love of hardware. From my perspective, ! it appears that for Tony, the experience of computing cannot be ! separated from the experiencing of the computer.... ! ! ...I'm not sure how many of you have ever thought about this; but ! now that I've broached the subject, whaddy'all think? I dunno about splitting the list. Even my interest is in the hardware side, like Tony, I'm sure there are many here that go both ways. And there will be new guys, that are unsure about thier preference, and seeing discussions about both sides in one place here, will definitely be helpful to them... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Wanted: QBus ESDI controller

by matt＠knm.yi.org

Hi, Before I get swamped with "Hey, why not get a SCSI controller instead" replies - I have a few unused fullheight ESDI drives, and I figure the best box I have to put them in is my MV3300. Sooo... poor little me sat here in Manchester, UK has a MV3300 just waiting for an ESDI controller, and I figured someone out there in vaxenland might have one going spare for the cost of postage, and maybe a contribution of some sort (but not too much cause I am but a poor student). So - anyone out there think they can help? :&) -- Matt --- Web Page: http://knm.yi.org/ http://pkl.net/~matt/ PGP Key fingerprint = 00BF 19FE D5F5 8EAD 2FD5 D102 260E 8BA7 EEE4 8D7F PGP Key http://knm.yi.org/matt-pgp.html

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Paging Bill Bradford

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 13, 13:05, Bill Bradford wrote: > bash-2.03$ nslookup subatomix.com > Server: localhost > Address: 127.0.0.1 > > Name: subatomix.com > Address: 24.94.226.65 > > bash-2.03$ nslookup 24.94.226.95 > Server: localhost > Address: 127.0.0.1 > > Name: okc-94-226-95.mmcable.com > Address: 24.94.226.95 > > DNS be brokie. I guess I"ll have to turn off the reject-mailhosts-with-bad-dns > requirement.. Um, not necessarily. You mis-typed the IP address on the second lookup. subatomix.com is indeed a valid domain name, registered by Tierranet whose nameserver (ns1.domaindiscover.com) will give you the A record and MX record for subatomix (both point to 24.94.226.65). However, there's no necessary correspondence between the domain name registrar, DNS provider for forward lookups, and ISP who provides the actual connection and address (usually also the DNS provider for reverse lookups). The reverse lookup for 24.94.226.65 comes out as okc-94-226-65.mmcable.com which isn't surprising. The reverse lookup is done by the mmcable servers, since they own the address space. If you look at Jeffrey's home page, it's URL is http://home.mmcable.com/xoraxax/, so that fits. Whether your mailserver will accept mail directly from Jeffrey's machine probably depends on what his machine is calling itself in the HELO and whether your mailserver does a reverse and forward lookup to check (as you've implied). If so, possible solutions are (1) turn off the double check, (2) have Jeffrey's machine give its mmcable.com name when sending mail, (3) have Jeffrey's machine relay mail through mmcable's server (assuming mmcable really is his ISP), or (4) persuade mmcable (again, assuming they're his ISP) to include his properly registered domain name in their DNS. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Why is this so slow?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] ! ! I suspect that this delay is provided so that one can figure ! out how to word an ! apology for having made an inane comment in the midst of an ! OT thread. It's ! seldom used, though. Rich --- Was that a poke at me? :-) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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DEC Keyboards (was: Re: Classic Computers vs. Classic)

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >Okay, this lead me to pull an LK201 out of the closet. You're right, the > >LK401 > >is not as mushy as the LK201. > > That's only part of it, the angle of the keys are slightly different, and > (and this is the part that is really hard to explain) somehow the LK201 > seems to have sharper corners to me, with the LK401 seeming to be a more > polished feel to it. A big difference is the LK201 uses those easily-lost black plastic posts to raise the back of the keyboard to a decent height. The LK401 does have a more polished look and feel. The LK201 keyboard always looked to me like the case was a temporary prototype. The old flip-top version of the LK201 struck me as too much for what it does. The simpler slot for the strip in the later version was simpler and less trouble. > BTW, I just checked and it's a pair of LK450's I got recently, though I > think I've got a LK461 up in storage. The LK450 is almost identical to > LK401, except it's got the PS/2 interface, and the keyboard is about as > mushy as the LK201. I wonder if the mushiness of the LK201 was a response to complaints that the VT100 keyboard was a little too heavy at times. As a VT100 keyboard aged the keys seem to develop little "catches" that made some keys more difficult to depress. > Of course for the people that prefer a VT100, none of these keyboards are a > substitute, but for those that want a proper keyboard for VMS, they're > great. I personally don't really care for the VT100 keyboard, though I am > trying to figure out where in here I can set one up as I want to use it to > access the PDP-10 emulators. A VT2x0/VT3x0/VT4x0/VT5xx can emulate a VT100, so use an emulated VT100 with an emulated PDP-10. :-) -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Why is this so slow?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Rich --- Actually, my time estimate was a little wrong. The messages take about an hour and a half... And the speed some discussions go at sometimes, it is almost like a chatroom. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick@idcomm.com] ! Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:18 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: Why is this so slow? ! ! ! I'm curious why it's important that it be quick? This is a ! mailing list, not a ! chat room. ! ! Dick ! ! ----- Original Message ----- ! From: "David Woyciesjes" <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> ! To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> ! Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 9:06 AM ! Subject: Why is this so slow? ! ! ! > Does anyone have any idea why it takes upwards of 15-20 minutes ! > (seems longer sometimes) for my postings to this list to ! get sent back out? ! > ! > --- David A Woyciesjes ! > --- C & IS Support Specialist ! > --- Yale University Press ! > --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu ! > --- (203) 432-0953 ! > --- ICQ # - 905818 ! > ! > !

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computingt

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >The PIII will emulate the keyboard layout of a VT220 if you use an LK461 > >keyboard. > > What makes the LK461 special? The LK461 (and related keyboards, like the LK46W) have the same layout as the LK401, including all the keys. I use a couple on my Alphas and VT525. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Why is this so slow?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Jay --- Actually, the messages I sent in this thread, I've been checking the time, and they're taking 1.5 hours to come around... Is that normal? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Jay West [mailto:west@tseinc.com] ! Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:31 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: Why is this so slow? ! ! ! Yes, I know exactly why it takes 15-20 minutes for postings ! to be echoed to ! the list. ! ! How is this a problem? There's several reasons why it is set ! this way, but ! if it's a problem for folks that classiccmp reflections take ! 30 mins to go ! out, just let me know. ! ! Jay West ! ! ! ----- Original Message ----- ! From: "David Woyciesjes" <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> ! To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> ! Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 10:06 AM ! Subject: Why is this so slow? ! ! ! > Does anyone have any idea why it takes upwards of 15-20 minutes ! > (seems longer sometimes) for my postings to this list to ! get sent back ! out? ! > ! > --- David A Woyciesjes ! > --- C & IS Support Specialist ! > --- Yale University Press ! > --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu ! > --- (203) 432-0953 ! > --- ICQ # - 905818 ! > !

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computingt

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >The LK461 has the same feel and layout as the LK201 used on the VT-330 and > >VT-340. > > Oh, I'm going to have to disagree there! The LK201 has the same layout, > but the LK401 has a better look and feel! The only advantage the LK201 has > is the place to stick something that tells what the function keys are > mapped to. In fact the LK401 feels about as good as my Apple Extended II > Keyboard! Okay, this lead me to pull an LK201 out of the closet. You're right, the LK401 is not as mushy as the LK201. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Cromemco 16FDC and IMSAI front panel

by bills＠adrenaline.com

I brought this up some time ago, but never got a satisfactory answer... When I use the above combination (regardless of CPU board), while the system in general works fine, the deposit/examine functionality of the front panel stops working. Somebody said they knew of a fix, but then never posted anything else. I've looked at the schematics (I have them for both items) and can't for the life of me see anything that would conflict. Any help greatly appreciated.

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Solomon Splitting the list... (was: Classic Computers vs. Cl assic Computing

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > Now, if anyone's ever *heard* of a SPDT DIPswitch bank, let ! >alone where I ! > could find some... otherwise I'll be stuck with jumpers ! >(which is O.K., but ! > dip switches would look nicer & be harder to lose from the finished ! > project...) So far, Jameco, JDR Microdevices & B.G. Micro ! >don't list them... ! > ! > == I'm sure I haven't said this enough, so: "Thanks, Tony!" == ! > ! > "Merch" ! > -- ! > Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers ! > Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. ! ! I've never seen SPDT dipswitches in computers. ! ! The closest thing I've seen, I believe, are the dip switches ! in Sears Garage Door Openers and the handheld clicker for them. ! ! They've got two positions + and - but a central neutral ! position IIRC which makes them kind of SPDT with a neutral position. ! ! Hope this is some help. ! ! Bill Well, you could always take a DPDT switch, and wire up only one half of it.... Try Radio Shack? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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essential CP/M files

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

It would be great if you could do WordMaster, the precursor to WordStar. It was a very useful editor for programming and its pattern of control-keys for cursor movement and editing was used by many other programs. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Battle [mailto:frustum@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:34 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: essential CP/M files Allison wrote: <snip> >How about a decent editor? I used CP/M just a bit back in the day, and I'm only now learning a bit more about it. Do you have any recommendations? I've seen TED in one of the CP/M archives, but I haven't gotten far enough along to see if I can get it to run on a Sol. <snip>

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Incompatible Timesharing System (ITS) Starter Kit Available

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Of course, you'll need Bob's simulator; you can check out > > Zane Healy's emulators page, or pick up a copy at: > > For those that don't know my page is at: > http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp10emu.html > and Bob's pages are at: > http://www.tiac.net/users/mps/retro/ > > I've got links to all the ITS related materials on the net that I'm aware > of. If anyone knows of any documenation of any sort on the net besides what > is at Mirian's site, or the ITS reference manual, version 1.5 from MIT, I'd > appreciate knowing about it. The same goes for any other documenation for > TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 that isn't already listed on my site. On your ITS page, the last link: http://bony.umtec.com/pdp10.html appears to be stale... might just be down at the moment, but the sources for ITS can also be found on John Wilson's FTP site. He requests that downloads take place after hours or on weekends. -dq

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essential CP/M files

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

>If you were stuck on an island with a solar-powered CP/M machine and only one floppy disk in CP/M 2.2 format, which programs and utilities would you want on that disk? I'd have two floppies. Any opinions of what I should distribute with the emulator? Here is what I am planning on so far: STAT PIP ASM MAC DDT ED DUMP LOAD SUBMIT XSUB How about a decent editor? >Unfortunately, I don't have FORMAT, MOVCPM, PUTSYS, GETSYS, or SYSGEN since None of those are very meaningful for an emulator. >Although there are lots of replacement programs for those listed above that are undoubtedly better than the stock CP/M 2.2 programs, I am going to use the originals from D.R. and leave it up to any user who cares enough to customize it as they see fit. Why? will the emulator provide a way to create a new disk drive? Allison

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Solomon Splitting the list... (was: Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 14, 11:02, Roger Merchberger wrote: > Now, if anyone's ever *heard* of a SPDT DIPswitch bank, let alone where I > could find some... otherwise I'll be stuck with jumpers (which is O.K., but > dip switches would look nicer & be harder to lose from the finished > project...) So far, Jameco, JDR Microdevices & B.G. Micro don't list them... You certainly can get them. I have some in my junk box and they're listed in the Farnell catalogue over here (http://www.farnell.co.uk/). Farnell, incidentally, have outlets in the US. Depending on exactly what you want to do there are various options. Tyco make a "subminature washable PCB mounting" SPDT switch with pins on a 0.1" pitch which are side-stackable (part number SE1DGPCFN). EAO make one that's explicitly listed as stackable, 0.1" pitch, SPDT is part no 09-03290-01. ERG make SPDT (and others) as part of their 014 DIL switch series (the ones with colour-coded sliders), SDC1014, SDC2014 and SDC4014 are 1, 2, and 4-section respectively. They also do a recessed SPDT (SCD1 023 to SCD5 023 for 2/4/6/8 pole), slide switches in similar style which are 1-pole/8-way, 2-pole/4-way, and 4-pole/2-way (DS16C18, DS16C24, DS16C42). Enough? -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Olivetti ETX II

by sstratford＠mbbc.edu

Can anyone point me in the right direction to someone who might have information about an old CP/M machine and/or parts (specifically, keyboard): Olivetti ETX II. Thanks. --Steve

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Why is this so slow?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Does anyone have any idea why it takes upwards of 15-20 minutes > (seems longer sometimes) for my postings to this list to get > sent back out? Echelon? -dq

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Emulators (was: Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > Unfortunately, last year, one of our administrators hauled off all of our > > > file cabinets of punched cards, and I don't know where else to find a > > > copy. > > > > Is he a preservationist? Or was he just cleaning shop? > > He filled several dumpsters with irreplaceable classic computer stuff, > without asking whether we wanted to part with any of it, and on a weekend, > so that we didn't know about it until it was gone. Molten iron would be > too gentle. Epithelial vaporization by carbon-dioxide laser over a 10-year period? -dq

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[Donna.Deleon@COMPAQ.com: Urgent Vax 7800]

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Some people in the Pentagon have a need for CPU and RAM for a VAX 7800.. Please contact Donna if you can help. Bill ----- Forwarded message from "Deleon, Donna" <Donna.Deleon(a)COMPAQ.com> ----- From: "Deleon, Donna" <Donna.Deleon(a)COMPAQ.com> To: "'mrbill(a)decdocs.org'" <mrbill(a)decdocs.org> Subject: Urgent Vax 7800 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 14:42:28 -0500 Good afternoon Bill, I am a Compaq employee and participated on a North America conference call. During the call many things were mentioned re: the devastation that we all faced here in America. During the call it was asked that if there were any contacts that could be provided in search of as many as 70, 7800 Vax system that are needed at the Pentagon with deep urgency. Do you have any that you are willing to loan/donate etc.....or know of anybody that would be able to provide the same? Please feel free to contact me @ 719 592-6767 with any additional questions or leads that I can follow up on. Your help is greatly appreciated! Sincerely, Donna L. DeLeon ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

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Need Electronic Soldering help....

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

***This is sent to the whole ClaasicCmp list, since others may/will have 166Alpha Multias too...*** Pat --- Well, the Multia Heat Death Syndrome (MHDS) is mentioned here... http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha/multiafaq.html#heat-death ...it seems to affect only Multias with the 166MHz Alpha processor. It is on the underside of the board, at the edge closest to the power supply, label E215. One of my Multias just froze, and won't boot up since. Probably MHDS... Common recommendations for Multias is to replace that chip right away. Forgot to do that myself :-/ Doh! Second is to remove the red thermal resistor from the cooling fan (2 yellow wires), which then allows the fan to run at full speed all the time. Or just replace the fan with something that has more cfm output. Once you've got that covered, you should be all set. ---If you put a 2.5" IDE laptop HDD in it, remember that SRM console cannot see it, and therefore cannot boot a kernel off it. You have to either boot from a SCSI HDD, or load the kernel off the floppy, which then can see the IDE HDD and use it. ARC console can boot from either SCSI or IDE. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Pat Barron [mailto:pat@transarc.ibm.com] ! Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 1:06 PM ! To: David Woyciesjes ! Subject: Re: Need Electronic Soldering help.... ! ! ! David, ! ! I wish I could help you (if I was closer, I'd be happy to). But, your ! message caught my attention - could you explain what you mean ! by the "heat ! death chip"? I am guessing you are referring to a chip that ! has a history ! of failure due to overheat, but which one is it? I have a ! Multia that I ! have not done much with just yet; wondering what sorts of ! problems I can ! expect .... ! ! Thanks, ! --Pat. ! !

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Has anyone heard from Bennet (dec.parts@verizon.net)?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Bennet's okay. He was just busy with other stuff, because of Tuesday. He sent this message to me... "...A lot of things went on hold due to the WTC attack... ...My brother-in-law was our only person in NYC, and while close enough to see the WTC, he was far enough away to have been in no immediate danger, though he had a time getting out of the city and home that day. I checked into taking my 10,000 lb. GVWR Ford Dually and 12,000 lb. GVWR 16' Beavertail Flatbed up to NYC for vehicle and debris removal, but alas, we don't have the funding to support that operation, and would have required corporate sponsorship. So it probably can't happen. Sincerely, Bennett --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Eric Dittman [mailto:dittman@dittman.net] ! Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:18 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Bennet (dec.parts(a)verizon.net)? ! ! ! > Has anyone heard from Bennet (dec.parts(a)verizon.net)? ! ! The last email I had from him was just before 8:00AM on Tuesday. ! -- ! Eric Dittman ! dittman(a)dittman.net ! Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/ !

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Need Electronic Soldering help....

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Is there anyone in the CT area (I'm in New Haven) who is good at replacing the soldered chips? I have 3 (or is it 4?) DEC Multias, with the infamous Heat Death chip. I can pay/barter for the parts and labor... Replies should pobably be direct to me, off list... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Why is this so slow?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, the message below took over an hour. I sent it at 11:00, and now it's 12:26 when I got it back... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: David Woyciesjes [mailto:DAW@yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu] ! Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:06 AM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org (E-mail) ! Subject: Why is this so slow? ! ! ! Does anyone have any idea why it takes upwards of 15-20 minutes ! (seems longer sometimes) for my postings to this list to get ! sent back out? ! ! --- David A Woyciesjes ! --- C & IS Support Specialist ! --- Yale University Press ! --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu ! --- (203) 432-0953 ! --- ICQ # - 905818 !

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Emulators (was: Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > For example, the IBM 1620 emulator, written in Java, is > > very nice graphically; the 1620 had a great front panel. > > About 35 years ago, I was using a 1620. The two main programs we were > using were a PDQ FORTRAN compiler, and ... > > a 1401 EMULATOR! > > I wonder if the 1401 emulator that ran on the 1620 would run on the 1620 > emulator? > > Unfortunately, last year, one of our administrators hauled off all of our > file cabinets of punched cards, and I don't know where else to find a > copy. Is he a preservationist? Or was he just cleaning shop? -dq

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Apples and oranges, Iggy. That's a totally different emulator world > > than the one I'm talking about. In the world I'm talking about, I > > don't think anyone creating emulators is under 40 years of age > > (well, Daniel Seagraves is under 40, I think). > > Why did you put this limit on 40 ? > ;-) > Most people I know working on emulations are just few years around the > 40 ... Precisely what I said. -dq

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VCF 5.0 Postponed

by vcf＠vintage.org

An Important Message About VCF 5.0: Due to the recent events that have affected all Americans this week, it has been decided to postpone the fifth annual Vintage Computer Festival until further notice. We regret this decision, but in light of the problems being faced by out of town travelers, not to mention the trauma that we have all experienced as a result of the terrible events in New York and Washington, D.C., we felt that this was the right decision to make. We regret any inconvenience this may cause to those who had made arrangements to attend the event this weekend. The VCF wishes to express its sorrow to everyone who has been touched by this tragedy. We encourage everyone to do what they can in the coming days to help those who are in need, including donating blood at your local Red Cross. Please be aware that the California Extreme event will still be taking place this Saturday and Sunday, September 15-16, at Parkside Hall in San Jose, California. Please continue to check the VCF website at http://www.vintage.org/ for updates on when VCF 5.0 will be re-scheduled. We hope and pray for peace to prevail in the comings weeks and months, and we hope you will do the same. Best regards, Sellam Ismail Producer Vintage Computer Festival Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Jerome Fine wrote: > I could probably use the TU58 manuals, however, I would > rather see them > sent to someone who will scan them and make them available to > everyone. I've already scanned the TU58 user manual and if it's not already on its way to DFWCUG it soon will be (for some suitable value of "soon"). > Since I have only RT-11/PDP-11 hardware stuff, what might help? What > about a set of out of print RT-11 DOCs? As far as I know, these are > allowed to be reproduced since they are no longer available? I know someone was trying to get Mentec to give permission for certain manuals to be made available. If this has already been done, then point me to something >from Mentec that says it's OK and your wish may be granted. > Can these be > scanned as well? They can certainly be scanned. Can they legally be made available? > Also, I hope to soon receive an 11/73 manual? Could this > also be scanned? Easily! In fact, as long as it's not available from COMPAQ, years ago DEC gave (almost) blanket permission for anything pre-1985(?) to be made available. > I realize that it is great to have our own copies of these > manuals, but I am > now hoping that they can all be scanned and thereby preserved > before that > is no longer possible. You do know about the DFWCUG scanning project? Pointers to them (and a bunch of other individuals doing the same sort of thing) can be found at http://www.decdocs.org . Antonio

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > But it has no facilities to load/save programs to/from disk. > > It will have when it's done. It's still a work-in-progress. Our plan is > to have console typewriter, paper tape reader/punch and card reader/punch > done graphically like the front panel. Dave- The one I've been laying with is from Richard Jowsey... are you working with him, or is yours a separate project? -dq

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I diagree. > > We need both the emulation-simulation fans, AND the hardware fans. I keep reading my original post to see where it is that I suggest a split; I don't. But you're not alone in having mis-read my post. I've felt that discussions about emulators and simulators weren't quite welcome here. I want to see them included. [..snip..] > As for the computing experiuance being computing, I also disagree. Again, a misunderstanding... I consider the term "Classic Computing" to be more inclusive than "Classic Computers". The latter implies (to me) a hardware focus; the former is more inclusive, describing both hardware and software. > Building devices and interfacing them to the hardware has always been > a major attraction to computing, and this is nearly all the original > personal computers were able to do. Hell, I know a guy that did this with mainframes as well. I'm glad to have stimulated conversation; sorry so many are misreading my intentions. Regards, -dq

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OT: World Trade crash...

by marino13＠btopenworld.com

I have to say that I agree with the original part of this - I have been discussing this with my colleagues and I know for a FACT (and yeah its a lot easier to say this when you're not involved) that I would definately take the risk... the chances are you're gonna die anyway. If the plane was on the ground or part of a "hostage scenario" thats different but I am surprised not one person would have tried anything. But who knows... perhaps they did. Just my thoughts. > Unfortunately, I think you're mistaken here, Bill. The typical American of > today hasn't the courage to risk his life as an individual, even if it means > being slaughtered as part of a group. That same American hasn't the courage to > call the cops if he sees someone breaking into his neighbor's house or car, > because he fears being singled out as an honest individual, rather than part of > the corrupt masses. > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Sudbrink" <wh.sudbrink(a)verizon.net> > To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:10 AM > Subject: Re: OT: World Trade crash... > > > > > > Mike Ford [mikeford(a)socal.rr.com] wrote: > > > > > Very sadly I suspect this type of attack to be > > > repeated soon. It was simply too easy and too > > > effective, for other organizations not to try > > > it again. > > > > I doubt that. As a matter of fact, I think that > > most airline hijacking will cease to be effective. > > I think that, after this, any able bodied person > > on a hijacked plane will resist with their life. > > I know that I would, rather than die as part of > > an instrument used to kill many more. > > > > >

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OT: World Trade crash...

by wh.sudbrink＠verizon.net

Mike Ford [mikeford(a)socal.rr.com] wrote: > Very sadly I suspect this type of attack to be > repeated soon. It was simply too easy and too > effective, for other organizations not to try > it again. I doubt that. As a matter of fact, I think that most airline hijacking will cease to be effective. I think that, after this, any able bodied person on a hijacked plane will resist with their life. I know that I would, rather than die as part of an instrument used to kill many more.

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Has anyone heard from Bennet (dec.parts@verizon.net)?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Has anyone heard from Bennet (dec.parts(a)verizon.net)? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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OT: World Trade crash...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

I take it you all heard about the two 737s (?) hitting the world trade buildings... one was possibly a hijacked airliner... each hit a seperate tower, I believe... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Mac Plus as a webserver...

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Isn't the SE an 030 Mac? The Plus is only a 68000. No, the SE was an 8mhz 68000 just like the plus. The SE was basically a newer plus (it had a built in HD or 2 800k floppies, ADB, an expansion slot, and a newer ROM). Later the SE was upgraded to having the SuperDrive (not the NEW superdrive that apple has recycled the name for, but rather the original 1.4mb drive that could read MFS, HFS, DOS, and ProDOS) There WAS an SE/30 that was a 16mhz (33mhz?) 68030... it was basically an SE, but with the faster processor and 8 simm slots rather than 4... I think THAT is the Mac you are thinking of. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computingt

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Eric Dittman <dittman(a)dittman.net> >> PIII still cant emulate the keyboard layout of a Vt100 or VT220 worth >> poop. > >The PIII will emulate the keyboard layout of a VT220 if you use an LK461 >keyboard. Thats one solution. The other is a real VT{100|125|330|340} or H19 since I do have them and prefer the feel of the keyboards and their respective layouts. Allison

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computingt

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> > PIII still cant emulate the keyboard layout of a Vt100 or VT220 worth > > poop. > > The PIII will emulate the keyboard layout of a VT220 if you use an LK461 > keyboard. Also there is a shell script available that will turn an xterm vt100, I've got a copy on my ftp site if anyone wants to try it ftp://zane.brouhaha.com/pub just look for vt100.sh (I think it's in the VMS section). I use it all the time for telneting into my VMS systems. I've got to admit I like the LK461 idea, and just might have to give that a try. Zane

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symphony for dot matrix printers

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> > Being a musician, this conjures up all sorts of ideas for using computer > > sounds to make music. I have a recording studio hung off my main > > non-classic box, so I can add this to my List of Unfinished Projects. Some > > useable sounds might be: > > > > (printers, of course) > > hard drive spinup & chatter > > Head crashes :-) I considered that but don't know of any way to consistently get heads to crash in such a controlled manner as to be useable musically (i.e., makes pretty much the same sound every time). Do you? (Is this subject OT if I'm using > 10 year old gear? And if I'm deliberately causing classic hard drive heads to destroy themselves, hmm . . . is it okay if I only use ST-225s??? ;>) Glen 0/0

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Has anyone heard from Bennet (dec.parts@verizon.net)?

by dittman＠dittman.net

> Has anyone heard from Bennet (dec.parts(a)verizon.net)? The last email I had from him was just before 8:00AM on Tuesday. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Well then ther are those like me... I use MyZ80 as a platform to test z80 and cp/m software at the application level and a real (pat pending ;)) Z80 system with real VT100/125/340 to run it in reality. It's not an Emulator is better or worse thing for me. I cant yet buy a z80 that runs faster than MyZ80 on a PIII/550. At the other extreme that said PIII still cant emulate the keyboard layout of a Vt100 or VT220 worth poop. Allison

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by daveb＠cup.hp.com

> > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > > [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Douglas Quebbeman > > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:01 PM > > To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' > > Subject: RE: Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing > > > > > > > Doesn't it seem a little odd to be debating whether emulators and > > > simulators are on-topic when the bulk of the list traffic is about > > > politics, and even the list owner can't get full cooperation in > > an attempt > > > to end threads that have absolutely NO connection with computers nor > > > computing? > > > > Ah, you've seen right through me... > > > > We need to get our minds off it for a while, now, I think... > > > > However, I'd actually hoped the discussion would quickly > > leave the real vs. virtual iron and stimulate some interest > > in the simulators and their range of capabilities. > > > > For example, the IBM 1620 emulator, written in Java, is > > very nice graphically; the 1620 had a great front panel. > > You can toggle in a program and run it; additionally, > > it comes with a memory test (or somesuch) already "loaded". > > > > But it has no facilities to load/save programs to/from disk. It will have when it's done. It's still a work-in-progress. Our plan is to have console typewriter, paper tape reader/punch and card reader/punch done graphically like the front panel. The IBM 1620 History project (of which the emulator is one part) has been on hold for almost a year but is being restarted. > > OTOH, Doug Jones' PDP/8E emulator provides those capabillites, > > and if you haven't seen Bernhard Baehr's PDP8/E emulator for > > the Mac, you should, assuming you have a Mac on which to run it. > > > > Hands down, though, the DEC-10 emulators are most excellent! > > They are able to provide me with a nearly exact duplicate of > > one of the computing environments I grew up with and miss. > > The few differences are: I'm the only user (something we used > > to live for), and the machine name doesn't say I U P U I in > > it. But I can change *that*... > > > > I can also get other users online, but that's another story... > > > > Regards, > > -dq Thanks, DaveB

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Doesn't it seem a little odd to be debating whether emulators and > simulators are on-topic when the bulk of the list traffic is about > politics, and even the list owner can't get full cooperation in an attempt > to end threads that have absolutely NO connection with computers nor > computing? Ah, you've seen right through me... We need to get our minds off it for a while, now, I think... However, I'd actually hoped the discussion would quickly leave the real vs. virtual iron and stimulate some interest in the simulators and their range of capabilities. For example, the IBM 1620 emulator, written in Java, is very nice graphically; the 1620 had a great front panel. You can toggle in a program and run it; additionally, it comes with a memory test (or somesuch) already "loaded". But it has no facilities to load/save programs to/from disk. OTOH, Doug Jones' PDP/8E emulator provides those capabillites, and if you haven't seen Bernhard Baehr's PDP8/E emulator for the Mac, you should, assuming you have a Mac on which to run it. Hands down, though, the DEC-10 emulators are most excellent! They are able to provide me with a nearly exact duplicate of one of the computing environments I grew up with and miss. The few differences are: I'm the only user (something we used to live for), and the machine name doesn't say I U P U I in it. But I can change *that*... I can also get other users online, but that's another story... Regards, -dq

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> and if you haven't seen Bernhard Baehr's PDP8/E emulator for > the Mac, you should, assuming you have a Mac on which to run it. If you haven't seen it you should find a Mac and borrow it long enough to try it. I know of one list member that bought a Mac to run it (OK, granted it was a very old cheap one). When I got my PDP-8/m and was trying to get it running I used the emulator as a diagnostic aid, so I could see what I should be seeing on the real hardware and better understand what I was doing. Zane

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Introductory Electronics Book?

by cmcmanis＠netapp.com

The Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill He will have to read it a couple of times but damn if it isn't the best one. --Chuck At 06:44 AM 9/10/01, you wrote: >I'd like to get some recommendations from the list for a good introductory >electronics book for my 14 year-old son. He's interested in building an >intercom system (and other circuits) that he got off the Web, and I would >like something for him to read that will give him a good understanding of >how the circuit works. (For example, it uses the primary windings of a >120V:12V transformer as a coil.) TIA.

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > I'm not favoring splitting the list... just hoping to avoid barbs > > for discussing stuff that isn't 10 years old (the sims themselves). > > I hadn't noticed those barbs. Were they because there wasn't an > obligatory mention of WTC? I've been as guilty as others about maintaining OT threads, the recent one about carburetors comes to mind... no one's ever flamed me for it (which is great), but given that many listers want to avoid too much OT stuff, it seemed worth bringing up. Actually, it never really gets very heated here... you should check out alt.sysadmin.recovery, they drummed me right out of there recently for not having a proper sigdash in my posts. For the record, I *do* have a proper sigdash in my posts (but not here); Outlook Express strips the trailing space, and, well, I'm spinning off-topic again... ;-) -dq

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Incompatible Timesharing System (ITS) Starter Kit Available

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Of course, you'll need Bob's simulator; you can check out > Zane Healy's emulators page, or pick up a copy at: For those that don't know my page is at: http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp10emu.html and Bob's pages are at: http://www.tiac.net/users/mps/retro/ I've got links to all the ITS related materials on the net that I'm aware of. If anyone knows of any documenation of any sort on the net besides what is at Mirian's site, or the ITS reference manual, version 1.5 from MIT, I'd appreciate knowing about it. The same goes for any other documenation for TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 that isn't already listed on my site. Zane

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Perhaps I've been a little strong with my comments (about emulators, say) in > the past. If so, I apologise. I wasn't intending to flame anybody... Nope... didn't take it that way, anyway.... I don't recall when the list was founded ('97?), though I'm a latecomer ('00)... but I still consider a certain portion of the discussions here amount to each of us "feeling each other's callouses"... to abuse banker- talk... Regards, -dq

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Mac Plus as a webserver...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! They refused to swap my machine... and you can't tell me that ! they didn't ! already have the new ones on order if they were there 2 days ! later... the ! bastard was just trying to clear out inventory and take ! advantage of a ! young teenager. Ouch... That hurts! --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> ! ...I'm not sure how many of you have ever thought about this; but > ! now that I've broached the subject, whaddy'all think? > > I dunno about splitting the list. Even my interest is in the > hardware side, like Tony, I'm sure there are many here that go both ways. > And there will be new guys, that are unsure about thier preference, and > seeing discussions about both sides in one place here, will definitely be > helpful to them... I'm not favoring splitting the list... just hoping to avoid barbs for discussing stuff that isn't 10 years old (the sims themselves). -dq

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by cisin＠xenosoft.com

Doesn't it seem a little odd to be debating whether emulators and simulators are on-topic when the bulk of the list traffic is about politics, and even the list owner can't get full cooperation in an attempt to end threads that have absolutely NO connection with computers nor computing? -- Grumpy Ol' Fred

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Incompatible Timesharing System (ITS) Starter Kit Available

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

Calling all ten-heads... Thanks to the efforts of many people for preserving the ITS operating system, and to the more recent efforts by Mirian Crzig Lennox in creating an ITS starter kit, interested parties can now run ITS on Bob Supnik's SIMH PDP-10 sim. You'll find Mirian's ITS starter kit at: http://www.cosmic.com/u/mirian/its Of course, you'll need Bob's simulator; you can check out Zane Healy's emulators page, or pick up a copy at: http://www.cosmic.com/u/mirian/its/files/simh26b.zip Additionally, Mirian has also created a mailing list: "To subscribe, send an empty e-mail with "subscribe" in the subject to <its-hackers-request(a)cosmic.com>. The list address itself is <its-hackers(a)cosmic.com>. You must be subscribed to the list in order to post, to prevent spam (but the list is not archived on the web, so you don't need to worry about spam-bots. If I ever do archive the list on-line, I will munge all e-mail addresses to thwart the spam-bots.)" Mirian is providing only the OS for now, but expects to have MIDAS (the ITS assembler), TECO, and of course, EMACS up soon. Everyone is asking about MACLISP; anyone have a copy? Regards, -doug quebbeman

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Mac Plus as a webserver...

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Properly known as the 'Macintosh SE FDHD'. Yep, I got one of these, running >OS 6.0.7, 50MB HDD, and 4MB RAM... Yeah, I got screwed out of mine... I bought my SE and had heard rumor about them going to FDHDs, and I SPECIFICALLY asked the Computer Factory salesman if they were going to switch. He told me no, that the rumor was false, so I shelled out my $2500 for the SE. Two days later, I was in the Computer Factory, and what did they have... big signs talking about the just arrived SE FDHDs!!! Same price, newer drives! They refused to swap my machine... and you can't tell me that they didn't already have the new ones on order if they were there 2 days later... the bastard was just trying to clear out inventory and take advantage of a young teenager. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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IBM System 23

by mythtech＠Mac.com

Does anyone know what current options there are for using IBM System 23 software? This can include emulators, compatible machines or OSes, pretty much anything that is more current than a true 23 and will run the 23 software. I have ONE program that I can't convince the boss to upgrade, and it currently runs on the System 23... the problem is, I am down to my last working machine, and I fear it too will die soon. So I am looking for a way to move the software to a more current computer. I was thinking of a System 23 emulator running on a current Mac or PC, but I have not been successful in finding such (nor do I have any idea how I would transfer the software, but one step at a time) Anyone have any advice? (other than, stop using the software, or upgrade it to a new application... as both ideas have fallen on deaf ears for the last 4 years) Thanks -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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classiccmp-digest V1 #716

by alan.pearson＠cramer.com

> What kind of security is going to protect against that kind of attack? I > have a knife like object I use to open my mail, its called a CIA Letter > opener, made of glass reinforced nylon it has no xray image, yet is strong > enough to be pounded thru 5/8" plywood without breaking. Three things leap to mind: 1. ban all hand luggage 2. perform security checks right before boarding the plane as well as at the gate and departures entrance 3. have at least three armed counter-terrorist specialists on every flight to cover front, middle & rear sections of the plane. Maybe even six. One thing's for sure - until airlines/governments implement these kind of measures there's *no way* I'm getting on another plane. No way. -al

24 years, 6 months

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Paging Bill Bradford

by jss＠subatomix.com

My e-mail is not getting through to Bill Bradford: jss@lepton$ mailq /var/spool/mqueue (1 request) ----Q-ID---- --Size-- -----Q-Time----- ------------Sender/Recipient------------ f88GZoL28038 999 Sat Sep 8 11:35 <jss(a)subatomix.com> (Deferred: 450 <lepton.subatomix.com>: Helo command rejected:) <mrbill(a)mrbill.net> Bill, if you're listening, could you check this out? Thanks! -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)subatomix.com

24 years, 6 months

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Spliting a DEC BA350

by dittman＠dittman.net

> A BA350 is a StorageWorks shelf. It has a total of 8 slots, one of which > MUST be used for a power SBB (System Building Block), and a second that can > be used for one. The second power slot and the remaining 6 slots can be > used for drive SBB's, which are typically one slot Hard Drives, but can > also be CD-ROM's and DLT drives (both 3 slot I believe, and I don't think > there is a 8mm tape option), or a 1 slot 4mm tape drive. Unfortunatly all > I've got are disks. The BA350 shelf is Narrow SCSI, there is also a BA356 > which is wide SCSI and has an additional model where the cables plug in > that takes a 'personality model', this dictates if the shelf is Narrow or > Wide. The BA356 is a wide shelf even if the 8-bit personality module is installed. The 8-bit personality module just lets you use wide shelves/drives with narrow controllers. A wide drive will not work in a narrow shelf. > That's just the single shelf config's. There are also shelves that take > things such as a HSZ50 which plugs into a SCSI DIFF card and can do RAID > and stuff, or another HSsomething that plugs into a DSSI bus. The HSZxx are differential SCSI, the HSDxx are DSSI, the HSJxx are CI, and the HSGxx are fibre channel. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Mac Plus as a webserver...

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Mike Kopplin had an HP 200LX palmtop (i80186, 2MB Ram, MS-DOS 5.0, powered by AC wall wart or 2 AA batteries; not entirely OT, since the 200LX model didn't come out until 1994, but the LX line started in 1991) running as a web server for 16 months between April 16, 1999 and September 4, 2000. For more information see: http://www.technoir.nu/hplx/welcome.html

24 years, 6 months

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Spliting a DEC BA350

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I'm finding myself trying to bring another system online, needing more space on an existing system and running short of space in my server rack. I seem to recall that it is possible to split a BA350 in half by pulling something out. Am I correct in assuming that this lets you plug the shelf into two seperate systems (in this case one Alpha/UNIX, and the other VAX/VMS). Anyone have any experience with this? Zane

24 years, 6 months

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*sigh*

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Jay --- Thanks for the smack, honestly, really. I do owe you a big apology for my rash message. I forgot to count to 5 (and think) before hitting the Send button. I know this is no excuse, but I replied rashly, in the heat of the moment, and out of anger. I also didn't realize exactly who you were either, in relation to this list. Again, big apologies to you, Jay. My bad. ! ... And before ! you go and accuse me of insensitivity, you might consider that the WTC ! tragedy has affected me very personally and directly in a ! manner that I will ! not discuss here. I'm not gonna ask, don't want to know, but my prayers go to you and yours, along with everyone else affected by this... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

24 years, 6 months

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errata

by west＠tseinc.com

oops... it was a typo, I meant 100, not 101 *GRIN* Is *THAT* what none of the programs I enter from the front panel work :) Jay

24 years, 6 months

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*sigh*

by west＠tseinc.com

David and Jeffrey: (The few places where I'm being sarcastic are explicitly noted in a manner I hope Jeffrey will find amusing) David said.... ----------------- They were then able to take care of necessary business in due time. If I upset someone by posting an OT message to one of my mailing lists, and helping someone in the process, I say too bad. Suck it up. There are a few times when an OT post is accepted. Yesterday was one of them. But, yes, now is the time to kill this thread from the list, now that everything has calmed down some... ----------------- "They were then able..." I agree. You're (and others) first few OT posts were no problem. I think it was intended as a service, and I (as well as others I'm sure) appreciated it. "suck it up"? <sarcasm>Your sentiment is duly noted. Thanks. I appreciate it.</sarcasm> "There are a few times when an OT post..." Yup, you're absolutely correct. I agree. That is why I didn't say a single word for the first 100 or so posts. Matter of fact, it wasn't the fact there were 100 posts about the subject that set me off, it was two things: 1) when the last few in the thread started to become extremely inflamatory political rhetoric, and 2) when the discussion branched into a discussion of the skillset necessary to fly a 767 (and I'm a pilot, so I'm not unappreciative of the content of the discussion). Case closed - I'm not going to revisit that, it was hashed over excessively a month ago. "But yes, now is the time to kill this thread..." <sarcasm>Why thank you for your decision.</sarcasm> Jeffrey said... -------------------- However, I think some sensitiviy and leverage may be appropriate given the circumstances. The US has faced inarguably, the worst tragedy whithin it's history and thousands of lives we're lost yesterday. -------------------- "...sensitivity and leverage..." I couldn't agree more. As a point of reference, you might want to be aware that the majority of private messages I got about the last political discussion asked for the "reasonable limit of posts in an OT thread" to be FOUR. Or did they really mean 101 (geek humor, do the math). I have no intentions whatsoever to be a censor (or even a moderator as Sellam suggests). I had no problem with the sensitivity and leverage of allowing the thread to go on as long as it was. I ONLY stepped in when the thread starting branching out to other OT threads, AND the political rhetoric started becoming exceptionally inflamatory. And before you go and accuse me of insensitivity, you might consider that the WTC tragedy has affected me very personally and directly in a manner that I will not discuss here. Regards Jay West

24 years, 6 months

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Tim Olmstead passed away

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

I saw a note over on comp.os.cpm this morning saying that Tim Olmstead has succumbed to his cancer and passed away. Since the Caldera license to distribute CP/M was in his name, this will affect the free distribution of CP/M until someone can pry a new license out of Caldera. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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