September 2001 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

by marvin＠rain.org

I just received about 80 HP Cassette tapes today, and have no idea what these things might be used on or for. They appear to be about DC-100 size and have names such as "64850-10005 Z8 asm/lnk", "64815-10002 68000 Pascal Compiler", "64816-10005 Z8001/2 Pascal Compiler", "Z80 Emul/Asm", etc. Anyone have any idea of what machine these things might be used on?

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> > > > The VAXstation 4000/90 is a 42 VUP system and the VAX 4000/400 is a > > > > 16 VUP system, so you aren't doing too bad. I seem to recall the > > > > VAX 4000/700A is about 40 VUPs and the /705A is about 45-50 VUPs. > > > > > > The VAX CPU Summary lists these numbers: > > > > > > VS4000/90 32.8 VUPS > > > 4000/700a 40 VUPS > > > 4000/705a 45 VUPS > > > > The numbers I have are from DSN, and the 42 VUP rating for the 4000/90 feels > > right to me. > > The "VAX CPU Summary" numbers above are their SPECint92 numbers, NOT their > VUP rating. I'm glad to finally see VUP ratings for these systems. Eric, I > don't suppose you've also got any kind of full list from DSN? If not do you > happen to have info on the VS4000/90A and /96? I have the full list available from DSN, but it isn't complete. I can't post it here, though, due to it being copyrighted, but I can post VUPs for requested systems from the list, if you ask. The numbers above are the VUPs. The DSN listing for the /90 and /90A are off by 10. I got ambitious and ran some more tests. The /90 is 32-33 and the /90A is 38-39. The VAX 7730 systems at work are 150 VUPs. What's interesting when reviewing the list is to see how the bus architecture impacts the VUPs on identical CPUs. For instance the 7610 is 35 VUPs but the 6610 is only 32 VUPs. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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VAX to play with

by dec.parts＠verizon.net

Hello Bill, The URL is ... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1277142640 Sincerely, Bennett Bill Bradford wrote: > > Please ! Let me know the auction number as soon as it goes up. > > Bill > > On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 06:19:14PM -0400, Info from LSI wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > > > I don't mind putting my VAXstation 4000/60's, "box > > only", up on eBay, starting at $1.00, under their > > "Auction for America" program where eBay donates the > > selling price to the NYC WTC Disaster Fund. 8 Mb on the > > board. Both checked to power up and generate video output. > > You scrub the magic marker markings off the front which > > is easy to do with isopropol alcohol and comet. However, > > regardless of how eBay wants to run that program, packaging > > materials ( low cost because I get them wholesale ) and > > shipping costs ( low cost because I ship FEDEX Ground at > > the FEDEX Center ) would have to be covered, else buyer > > picks up. But with "buyer picks up" terms, it should sell > > dirt cheap. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Bennett > > > > > > > Speaking of which, anybody know where I can get a decent desktop > > > VAX to play with again? VLC or better... > > > > > Bill > > -- > Bill Bradford > mrbill(a)mrbill.net > Austin, TX

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someone grab that TU81+ in St Louis please?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, a TU81+ (9-track tape drive, the latest and best that DEC came up with) is up on ebay with only 17 hours to go. It is in St. Louis. So, Buckaroo may want to get it. I think someone should drop in a bid on it just so it is not lost in the dumpster. I have already two of those outstanding (still need to actually go and get them.) The TU81+ works nice with a VAX 6000 or a UNIBUS vax. Not sure the smaller 4000s have an interface, they probably do. The interface is the KLESI on the BI bus (it's actually a UNIBUS adapter with the TU device driver right on the same card and no way to connect more UNIBUS.) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1275105774 -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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by dec.parts＠verizon.net

Hi Bill, I don't mind putting my VAXstation 4000/60's, "box only", up on eBay, starting at $1.00, under their "Auction for America" program where eBay donates the selling price to the NYC WTC Disaster Fund. 8 Mb on the board. Both checked to power up and generate video output. You scrub the magic marker markings off the front which is easy to do with isopropol alcohol and comet. However, regardless of how eBay wants to run that program, packaging materials ( low cost because I get them wholesale ) and shipping costs ( low cost because I ship FEDEX Ground at the FEDEX Center ) would have to be covered, else buyer picks up. But with "buyer picks up" terms, it should sell dirt cheap. Sincerely, Bennett > Speaking of which, anybody know where I can get a decent desktop > VAX to play with again? VLC or better... > Bill

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who's got an M88k Aviion?

by dan＠ekoan.com

On Wed, 19 Sep 2001 at 13:40:10 "r. 'bear' stricklin" <red(a)bears.org> wrote: > I do, in fact, have several releases of DG/UX on both QIC tape and CD-ROM. > I'd be interested in trading a copy of one for a dump of the NVRAMs. I can > tell you how to get the dump, too. I'm just catching up on my Classic Computer reading... I've got four DG AV 4300's sitting in the next room. Each of them has a QIC tape drive. I got them without documentation and I haven't had time yet to even boot them up. If someone has instructions on how to break into root I'd be happy to try it out, and/or if there's a way to read the NVRAM without booting the OS I'll be happy to try that, too. BTW, I'd love to trade the 4300's for classic HP gear... Cheers, Dan www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html

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who's got an M88k Aviion?

by dec.parts＠verizon.net

Hello Salo, > btw. i have another problem. i have Sony GDM-1601/8 monitor > (shipped by Data General with own logo) connected to my AV 530 > with graphics card by 3 BNC RGB cable made from standard 50ohm > coaxial cables (i know there should be 75ohm ones, but i just > wanted to try it). i am not sure if 3 cables are enough because > that monitor has 5 BNC connectors (2 additional ones for horizontal > and vertical sync). i tried to find any docs but without success > (no info about 1601/8, just 1601 and 1601/6). problem is that > picture on monitor looks like with higher frequency than monitor > can handle or without some sync, lines are shifted to each other > and it is shaking a bit. i hoped that sync on green was enogh but > now i am not sure. graphics card i have is some data general 8 > B/P GRAPHICS CARD shipped with that AV 530 (monitor was probably > used with another machine). > any help will be appreciated.. thanks If you don't mind experimenting, under the hood, and can do so without electrocuting yourself, I believe on the left side of the monitor you will find some adjustments, some of which might be labeled, horizontal frequency, horizontal phase, horizontal size, horizontal center, etc. You might try tweaking some of those and seeing if that stabilizes the image. Or you might try a 5 BNC variety Sony multisync, just hooking up R, G, and B. or if you have a multisync with a HD15M pigtail, I have hooked these up by coming out of computers with BNC video out by connecting to a BNC to HD15 cable hooked up so that the BNC's are to the computer, then used a HD15F-HD15F gender changer to join the BNC to HD15 cable to the monitor's HD15M pigtail. Just some experimental options to possibly try. Sincerely, Bennett

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> > > > > Actually that rack contains two VAX 4000/700As. > > > > Ahhhh! I get jealous reading that. The 4k VAXen are quite nice and the > > > > 700A has around 33VUPs. My best VAXen are a 4k400 and a VS4k90. > > > > > > The VAXstation 4000/90 is a 42 VUP system and the VAX 4000/400 is a > > > 16 VUP system, so you aren't doing too bad. I seem to recall the > > > VAX 4000/700A is about 40 VUPs and the /705A is about 45-50 VUPs. > > > > The VAX CPU Summary lists these numbers: > > > > VS4000/90 32.8 VUPS > > 4000/700a 40 VUPS > > 4000/705a 45 VUPS > > The numbers I have are from DSN, and the 42 VUP rating for the 4000/90 feels > right to me. Maybe the /90 is 32 VUPs and the /90A is 38.8, which would make sense if the list on DSN is off for both system. What leads me to believe the DSN listing is in error now is I just ran a test program on a /90, 90A, /400, and /500, and the numbers for the /90 and /90A are way off from what I'd expect if the ratings from DSN are correct. I'm going to run some tests this weekend to try to get better numbers. I wish the original DEC test program was available. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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paging Brian Chase

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, does anyone know where Brian Chase is? He dropped from my radar screen about two months (or more?) ago. He used to live in Bloomington, IN, not far from me, and we had hauled the VAX 6420s from my workplace in spring this year. He wanted to check out some job opportunity in California, and then he was never seen again. Does anyone have more recent information? His Web site still exists, without any news however. thanks, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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Cromemco 16FDC and IMSAI front panel

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Doug Coward <mranalog(a)home.com> wrote: > PROT & UNPROT pins 20 & 70 - The IEEE 696 standard > says that these pins will be at ground. Some > motherboards ground these lines. But grounding > these pins on the IMSAI front panel will disable > the front panel. To fix this, cut the traces, > on the front panel, right at edge connector > pin 20 and 70. I'm thinking that some CPU boards expect the front panel to ground one of these signals when the panel is putting something on the data bus via the panel connector (and the CPU board should therefore use the data bus on the panel connector instead of the one on the motherboard). Maybe I am confusing this with some other signal? I ran into this in 1989 with a CCS Z80 board and no-name chassis with apparent 696 motherboard. Took me a while to figure out why it wasn't coming up. -Frank McConnell

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Altair floppy controller

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: Work on the Altair32 emulator is progressing and I'm up to getting the floppy controller code working, but I've run into a snag. Has anyone ever used this controller? Does anyone know if it has a BIOS or something *other* than the 256-byte bootrom? I disassembled the bootrom that I borrowed from the Elena Altair simulator and it seems to reference addresses outside its execution range. Thanks. Rich ========================== Richard A. Cini, Jr. Congress Financial Corporation 1133 Avenue of the Americas 30th Floor New York, NY 10036 (212) 545-4402 (212) 840-6259 (facsimile)

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by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Huw Davies [mailto:Huw.Davies@kerberos.davies.net.au] > systems. All of these systems used either a PRO-350 or PRO-380 as the > VAXconsole. Later (when all the PROs were used up?) the console was > replaced with a uVAX-II and the systems renamed 88x0 (for > x=1,2,3 or 4 CPUs). Actually, the Nautilus family underwent a slight redesign (or possibly a major redesign) and became the Polarstar family. This was the VAX 8810 (1 cpu) through to the VAX 8840 (4 cpu). Up to 2 CPUs per cab, max 2 cabs for a full system. The system bus was renamed from NMI to PMI (and presumably underwent some changes). The PRO console was replaced with a MicroVAX II. There was some confusion about the 8700 and 8800 machines and so they were (IIRC) renamed VAX 8810-N and VAX 8800-N. I never saw one of these so I don't know whether they were real VAX 8700 and VAX 8800 or whether they were a VAX 8810/VAX 8820 but with a PRO console ( or even a MicroVAX II console!). The maintenance manual for the Nautilus series was online at http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm but that seems to have slipped two months backwards in a time warp and all that has vanished! I've never seen a similar manual for the Polarstar series, but I have seen the corresponding lists of modules and they did look quite different to Nautilus IIRC. Antonio

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by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: >There is the 8600 (aka 11/790) listed as a SBI machine. That's correct. It was going to be known as the VAX-11/790 until someone changed their mind (it was very late, so they had plenty of time to play with the name!). >There is no reference to the 8700. The VAX 8700 is a single processor VAX 8800. >The 8800 is listed as: > Basically an 8550 processor in a bigger box with space for additional > processors to make it into an 8820 or 8840 No. The Nautilus family started out as the single processor VAX 8700 which could have a few more (or many more, I forget) cards added to become the dual processor VAX 8800. The VAX 8550 was a VAX 8700 in a (big) cab that could *not* be upgraded to a VAX 8800. The VAX 8500 was a VAX 8550 with microcode deliberately slugged to slow it down. This was soon followed by a microcode update that removed the NOPs ... *all* 8500s were supposed to be upgraded and the machine was renamed the VAX 8530. The processor(s) live(d) on the NMI bus (Nautilus Memory Interconnect, I assume). The I/O bus was the VAXBI. This is in contrast to the VAX 8200/8300 which came out at the same time and used the VAXBI as their system bus as well as teh I/O bus. >The 8550 is listed: > XMI processor/memory backplane with VAXBI I/O XMI is wrong ... it's NMI. The VAX 6000 series was the first family (IIRC) to use the XMI. >So I assume the "base" machine is the 8550. In a biger chasiss it is >named 8700 and with a second CPU the 8700 is called 8800? Yes, that's a good summary but don't forget the runt of the litter, the VAX 8500 (which rapidly became the VAX 8530). Antonio

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microcoding a PC into a PDP-11 (was: RE: Classic Computers v s. Classic Computing)

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

Bill Pechter wrote: > Actually much of the 11/780 microcode is in rom. > The stuff loaded from RX01 is mostly bug fixes to the rom code. > The patches went into the Writeable Control Store board. The VAX-11/750 did the same thing (IIRC the first microcode patch required a large number of roms to be changed by field service ... the control store was redesigned to allow patchable code a-la 780). > The 11/785 went to completely RAM loaded microcode. > The 11/780 did have an optional second User Writeable Control Store > board. In one or other of the DTJ articles, the development of the MicroVAX II is described. They used the VAX-11/730 with new microcode to simulate a MicroVAX II: the 11/730 was *completely* soft. Antonio

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> At 10:53 PM 9/19/01 -0500, Eric wrote: > > but I can post VUPs for requested systems from the list, if you ask. > > Ok, what are the VUPs rating of the > MicroVAX 3400, 3500, 3800, and 4000/200 (KA640, KA650, KA655, and > KA660) Here there are, plus a couple of extras: System VUPS 3200 2.7 3300/3400 2.4 3500/3600 2.7 3800/3900 3.8 4000/200 5.0 4000/300 8.0 4000/400 16.0 4000/500 24.0 4000/600 32.0 -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> >So I assume the "base" machine is the 8550. In a biger chasiss it is > >named 8700 and with a second CPU the 8700 is called 8800? > > As far as I recall, the first two products were the 8700 and the 8800, the > only difference was the number of CPUs (one and two respectively). There > were two slower implementations (8550, 8530) that were both single CPU > systems. All of these systems used either a PRO-350 or PRO-380 as the > VAXconsole. Later (when all the PROs were used up?) the console was > replaced with a uVAX-II and the systems renamed 88x0 (for x=1,2,3 or 4 CPUs). The 8700/8800 used a Pro-350 or Pro-380 as the console. Later, DEC renamed them the 8810 and 8820. Later on DEC introduced a new 8810 and 8820 that were different and could be upgraded to an 8830 or 8840. Unfortunately they aren't compatible and this leads to problems when you need to get repair parts. You need to be specific on whether your 8810 or 8820 is a -N or not. I can't remember whether the -N is the newer model or not. The easiest way to tell is whether your system has a Pro or a MicroVAX II as the console. When DEC introduced the newer models they really should have used a new model number or renamed the older models the 8710 and 8720. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> > Actually that rack contains two VAX 4000/700As. > Ahhhh! I get jealous reading that. The 4k VAXen are quite nice and the > 700A has around 33VUPs. My best VAXen are a 4k400 and a VS4k90. The VAXstation 4000/90 is a 42 VUP system and the VAX 4000/400 is a 16 VUP system, so you aren't doing too bad. I seem to recall the VAX 4000/700A is about 40 VUPs and the /705A is about 45-50 VUPs. > > That thing that looks > > like a BA215 is actually an external DSSI cabinet full of disks. > Ahh, I know that. I got such a thing with my MV4k200... > > > I now have craploads of 2 GB DSSI disks. > I know people that would kill for 2GB DSSI disks (and a KFQSA). ;-) I would rather go with a QBUS SCSI or HSDxx controller. Once I find one I"ll get rid of my DSSI disks. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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MC68881 vs MC68882 (was Re: Mac Plus as a webserver...)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 19, Ethan Dicks wrote: > My memory is that the parts were interchangable in hardware (presuming > the speed was OK) but the performance was better at a given speed > for the 68882 over the 68881. I never did any rendering on my Amigas, Yup. I've replaced many 68881s with 68882s in Sun3/50 and /60 machines when I was doing lots of raytracing with them back in '90 or so. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 19, Eric Dittman wrote: > Maybe the /90 is 32 VUPs and the /90A is 38.8, which would make sense if the > list on DSN is off for both system. What leads me to believe the DSN listing > is in error now is I just ran a test program on a /90, 90A, /400, and /500, > and the numbers for the /90 and /90A are way off from what I'd expect if the > ratings from DSN are correct. I'm going to run some tests this weekend to > try to get better numbers. The CPU Summary lists the /90A at 38.5. > I wish the original DEC test program was available. Me too. :-/ -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 19, Absurdly Obtuse wrote: > > Very nice toys. I have a MV4k200 in a BA215. A very handy QBus VAX and > > it is nice to work on the BA215. No finger breaking and flor crawling > > like on the flor stand BA23. > > This one is an even nicer toy. This one is two 4K/700As in a rack. That > thing on the floor is an external DSSI box. There is one more like it in > the rack. You're welcome, fanboy. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> > The VAXstation 4000/90 is a 42 VUP system and the VAX 4000/400 is a > > 16 VUP system, so you aren't doing too bad. > The VS4k9 is around 24 VUPs. It compiles quite exact twice as fast as my > 4000/60 that is rated at 12 VUPs. I have seen many confusing ratings for > the VS4k90. It is a nice desktop machine. Especially as mine has 128MB > RAM. But it is a joke to that VAX7650. Damn. I would sell my grandma > for that machine. ;-) I have a couple of VAX 7730 systems at work. They're pretty nice, and they each have 2GB of RAM. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> > > The VAXstation 4000/90 is a 42 VUP system and the VAX 4000/400 is a > > > 16 VUP system, so you aren't doing too bad. I seem to recall the > > > VAX 4000/700A is about 40 VUPs and the /705A is about 45-50 VUPs. > > > > The VAX CPU Summary lists these numbers: > > > > VS4000/90 32.8 VUPS > > 4000/700a 40 VUPS > > 4000/705a 45 VUPS > > The numbers I have are from DSN, and the 42 VUP rating for the 4000/90 feels > right to me. The "VAX CPU Summary" numbers above are their SPECint92 numbers, NOT their VUP rating. I'm glad to finally see VUP ratings for these systems. Eric, I don't suppose you've also got any kind of full list from DSN? If not do you happen to have info on the VS4000/90A and /96? Zane

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> > > > Actually that rack contains two VAX 4000/700As. > > > Ahhhh! I get jealous reading that. The 4k VAXen are quite nice and the > > > 700A has around 33VUPs. My best VAXen are a 4k400 and a VS4k90. > > > > The VAXstation 4000/90 is a 42 VUP system and the VAX 4000/400 is a > > 16 VUP system, so you aren't doing too bad. I seem to recall the > > VAX 4000/700A is about 40 VUPs and the /705A is about 45-50 VUPs. > > The VAX CPU Summary lists these numbers: > > VS4000/90 32.8 VUPS > 4000/700a 40 VUPS > 4000/705a 45 VUPS The numbers I have are from DSN, and the 42 VUP rating for the 4000/90 feels right to me. > > I would rather go with a QBUS SCSI or HSDxx controller. Once I find > > one I"ll get rid of my DSSI disks. > > Get rid of 'em in my direction, please. 8-) Okay, when I do you've got first shot. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 19, Eric Dittman wrote: > > > Actually that rack contains two VAX 4000/700As. > > Ahhhh! I get jealous reading that. The 4k VAXen are quite nice and the > > 700A has around 33VUPs. My best VAXen are a 4k400 and a VS4k90. > > The VAXstation 4000/90 is a 42 VUP system and the VAX 4000/400 is a > 16 VUP system, so you aren't doing too bad. I seem to recall the > VAX 4000/700A is about 40 VUPs and the /705A is about 45-50 VUPs. The VAX CPU Summary lists these numbers: VS4000/90 32.8 VUPS 4000/700a 40 VUPS 4000/705a 45 VUPS > I would rather go with a QBUS SCSI or HSDxx controller. Once I find > one I"ll get rid of my DSSI disks. Get rid of 'em in my direction, please. 8-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Embedded PDP-11 Processors

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Another place where T-11 (PDP-11 cpu) was employed were the VT-240/241 Allison

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 19, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > > The 8700 and the 8600 are very different machines. The 8700 uses > > VAXBI, and is mounted in a chasiss similar in size to that of the > > 8600. I don't think there's any XMI in there. > > > > Incidentally, the 8700 can be turned into an 8800 by plugging a > > second CPU card set into the machine. > Hmmm. I got confused by: > http://www.de.netbsd.org/Documentation/Hardware/Machines/DEC/vax/sections.h… > > There is the 8600 (aka 11/790) listed as a SBI machine. > There is no reference to the 8700. > The 8800 is listed as: > Basically an 8550 processor in a bigger box with space for additional > processors to make it into an 8820 or 8840 > The 8550 is listed: > XMI processor/memory backplane with VAXBI I/O > > According to http://anacin.nsc.vcu.edu/~jim/mvax/vax-perf.html the 8k > VAXen, except the 8600, are pure VAXBI, no XMI. XMI came with the 6k > VAXen. The only 8K machines that I have personal experience with are the 8200, 8250, and 8350. They're definitely all pure BI machines...the CPU and memory are BI cards. The 8700 has BI busses for I/O but the CPU (made up of multiple large boards) is definitely *not* BI. > So I assume the "base" machine is the 8550. In a biger chasiss it is > named 8700 I've never seen the innards of an 8550, but I can tell you that the 8700 processor is several very large non-XMI boards...maybe six boards in all, about twice the size of XMI boards, that use ZIF connectors similar to those used in XMI and BI. The VAX CPU Summary lists both the 8550 and 8700 as 6 VUP machines. > and with a second CPU the 8700 is called 8800? Yes, I can confirm this. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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by vance＠ikickass.org

To all those that wanted to see the pictures of Brian Hechinger and I unloading a truckload of IBM S/390 and DEC VAX equipment (you know who you are), the pictures are up on http://www.users.cloud9.net/~sridhar/mainframe/ Peace... Sridhar

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> On September 19, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote: > > BTW a stupid question: What is a 8700? Is it SBI based like the > > 11/78[05] and 86[05]0, or is it XMI / VAXBI like the 85x0 or 6k VAXen? > > I asume that a 8700 is a 8600 in a biger enclosure? > > The 8700 and the 8600 are very different machines. The 8700 uses > VAXBI, and is mounted in a chasiss similar in size to that of the > 8600. I don't think there's any XMI in there. > > Incidentally, the 8700 can be turned into an 8800 by plugging a > second CPU card set into the machine. The 8700/8800 systems were changed in designation about half-way through their production. The 8700 became the 8810 and the 8800 became the 8820. There was also another set of 88x0 systems that were different internally in that they could be upgraded to more CPUs. All to confuse the customer, I guess. Does the 8700 have the VAX Console? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> > I missed the 4000 due to the shadow and the BA215 as I didn't scroll all > > the way down. More nice toys. > Very nice toys. I have a MV4k200 in a BA215. A very handy QBus VAX and > it is nice to work on the BA215. No finger breaking and flor crawling > like on the flor stand BA23. Even worse is a rack-mount dual BA23. I used to have to pull all the cards out and reseat them on one system. The quad-width cards had locks, but the dual-width didn't, and I couldn't easily get to the dual-width cards to properly reseat them with the quad-width cards in place. I really like the BA213 and BA440. I have a 4000/500 in a BA440 at home. > > As someone that cares for an 8820 at work, > A 8820 still in production use?! > I know from ragge, the NetBSD/VAX port-master, that there is a 8800 in > north Sweden runing. AFAIK it is the machine behind ftp.luth.se, as the > folowing picture implies: > http://www.ludd.luth.se/gallery/ludd1-mII/ftp.luth.se_mark_IV-4.jpg Yes, indeed. All because of licensing costs. The 8820 is their slowest system and all it does is run that one piece of software. Never mind the environmental and service costs are more than a new system and license. > > I really think the 8700 is nuts, but fun. > Nuts are fun. ;-) Yeah, people think I'm a nut, and my computer collection is not nearly as large as it should be. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Does anyone have RM03 prints?

by dseagrav＠sakura.lunar-tokyo.net

I'm rebuilding an RM03 head stack (I have two crashed drives, making one good one from the two), and I got a problem here... Drive one has all of the heads bad except for platter 2, head 1, and surface 3, head two. (That is, I have one good UP head, and one good DOWN head.) Drive two has all of the heads good, except for the heads for platter 1. That is, I have both the UP and DOWN heads for the topmost platter dead. The problem is, the good UP head from the first drive is the servo head, apparently - The pigtails for this head come out on the opposite side from the others, and it has a double-ended connection. Can this head be used as a normal data head anyway? The pinout looks the same, except that it has two endings, both of which look alike... Can someone look at the RM03 prints and find this out for me? This is my only good UP head, so if I roach it, I'm done for. PS: Ripping the drive apart and getting the head stack out to play with was somewhat easier than it looked like; All I had to do was get the big magnet out of the back, have someone hold the logic cage while I undid the drive head pigtails, undo the track 0 microswitch, disconnect the big coil at the end of the head assembly, and pull the whole mess out the back of the drive. Oh, and I'll have to take pictures of the crashed heads later; They're really impressive! The original top head for the second drive is COMPLETELY GONE. I have both the head and the platter it crashed onto stored upstairs to take pictures of as soon as the camera works again.

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Interdata 7/32 C maintenance manual

by engdahl＠cle.ab.com

I was rummaging in the attic looking for my IBM 1130 listings, and came across this Interdata 7/32 C Maintenance Manual. It includes detailed schematics of the CPU, and the microcode listing. Is anyone interested in scanning or copying this? -- Jonathan Engdahl???????????????? Rockwell Automation Principal Research Engineer????? 24800 Tungsten Road Advanced Technology????????????? Euclid, OH 44117, USA Euclid Labs????????????????????? engdahl(a)cle.ab.com 216-266-6409

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Philips P850 (Was: Classic Computers vs...)

by alan.pearson＠cramer.com

"Tony Duell" wrote: > It is worth seeing just how a processor can be built from > gates and flip-flops (and this will hopefully remove the myth that > there's something magical about the design of a CPU). A good book was written about this back in the late 80s by the bloke who taught us about digital design. I forget the title, but the author is Peter Thewlis and the book was published by the Oxford University Press. Takes you all the way from the basics of how to build various flip-flops to how to build registers and an ALU. Excellent fun :) --al

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Small Vaxen (was Re: Mainframe stuff...

by cmcmanis＠netapp.com

Does anyone know how to take the rolling feet off a BA215? Its really straightforward on the BA213 (I assume the same for the BA440) but the BA215 has recessed hex head screws and I can't get to them. I was wondering if there was some "preliminary" step that exposed them. --Chuck >Very nice toys. I have a MV4k200 in a BA215. A very handy QBus VAX and >it is nice to work on the BA215. No finger breaking and flor crawling >like on the flor stand BA23.

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Mainframe stuff...

by dittman＠dittman.net

I accidentally deleted the message before I read it completely, so I don't know what you said after commenting about the VUPs rating for the 7650, but the 7650 is about 155 VUPs, not 175, according the table I got from DEC. The 7610 is 35 VUPs, and each processor adds 30VUPs. You lose the rest due to overhead. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Two DEC LN03 toner / maintenance kits available

by jfoust＠threedee.com

I picked up two each of the toner cart kit and the user maintenance kits, at $2 each. They're available at that cost plus shipping. New in box, unused. - John

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MC68881 vs MC68882 (was Re: Mac Plus as a webserver...)

by Lee.Davison＠merlincommunications.com

> 68882 is right for 68030 & 68020. 68881 only foir 68020. > (talking about hardware, no software) My memory is that the parts were interchangable in hardware (presuming the speed was OK) but the performance was better at a given speed for the 68882 over the 68881. They are. Lee. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This email is intended only for the above named addressee(s). The information contained in this email may contain information which is confidential. The views expressed in this email are personal to the sender and do not in any way reflect the views of the company. If you have received this email and you are not a named addressee please delete it from your system and contact Merlin Communications International IT Department on +44 20 7344 5888. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

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Tru64 V5.1

by dittman＠dittman.net

I know this is off-topic, but earlier there was some discussion that included comments about people buying the Tru64 hobbyist kit. If anyone has the Tru64 V5.1 CD set, I need to get an ISO image of the Associated Products CD 1 of 2. I damaged my CD. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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MC68881 vs MC68882 (was Re: Mac Plus as a webserver...)

by dittman＠dittman.net

> My memory is that the parts were interchangable in hardware (presuming > the speed was OK) but the performance was better at a given speed > for the 68882 over the 68881. I never did any rendering on my Amigas, > so my use of the floating point was rather limited. I skipped over > the '020 when I was heavily into Amigas, leaping from a massively > expanded A1000 (Rejuvinator, Spirit InBoard, Microbotics Starboard w/Star- > Drive, ROM switcher, etc.) to an A3000/25. I had a Mac II, which used a 68881. I remember the 68882 being sold by some people as a speed-up for the Mac II. I bought a 68851 MMU so I could run A/UX on my Mac II. The 68851 added functionality necessary for A/UX but did slow down memory access slightly. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Wang 8" disks

by fire＠dataflo.net

good reputation, don't know how expensive... http://www.discinterchange.com/ they claim to be able to read media >from the following machines... Wang OIS Wang PC IWP Wang PC running WP Plus Wang VS (WPS Archive Disc) Wang VS Alliance Wang WITA Wang WP Plus High Density Wang WP Plus OIS, Wangwriter Wang WPS Wangwriter Bradley Slavik

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who's got an M88k Aviion?

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

r-- I own an AV-400, and a 412. In addition, I have enough parts to turn my 400 into a AV-530. The 400 could be a single or dual processor machine, mine uses a 'stock' framebuffer. There used to be a page that had some of the NV-RAM info on it; I'll have to see if I have it stashed away somewhere. Do you have the DG/UX install CD/Tape? Jeff On Tue, 18 Sep 2001 01:47:02 -0400 (EDT) "r. 'bear' stricklin" <red(a)bears.org> writes: > > I'm looking for list members who own functioning M88k-series DG > Aviion > machines for a research base, so I can finish resurrecting my 310CD. > I > need some NVRAM information. > > Let me know if you have one; include the model and graphics type, or > at > least as much as you know about either. > > I'll follow up with more information in a week or so, depending on > what > kind of response I get. > > Thanks, I'd really appreciate it it! > > > ok > r. > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

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Hardware races

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 17, 23:33, Mike Kenzie wrote: > On another list someone mentioned that a PDP11 ran at about the same > speed as a 486-66. > > I don't have a 486-66 but do have a PDP11/34 in the garage so I > suggested that if a 486-66 could be found we could have a race. I don't think an 11/34 or similar would come anywhere close to a 486DX2-66 in terms of processor speed. More like a slow 286. The real advantage of a mini was the architecture, which was designed to reap the benefit of multiple intelligent DMA subsystems and perhaps multiple busses. The same is true now, comparing expensive SGI kit with fast Pentiums -- you only see the advantage on specific tasks, like certain kinds of rendering. > Any suggestions for a fair race? Something that reflects the sort of use a mini would be put to; something with multiuple users or at least multiple processes, and a healthy mix of I/O. A Dhrystone test is definitely not what I'm thinking of :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Interdata 7/32 C maintenance manual

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

What's the rev of the manual? I might need it depending on the rev. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Leicester (Donnington) show

by andyh＠netcomuk.co.uk

> Can you let us have some more info? It's one of the biggest Amateur Radio events of the year (and, as such, has quite a high computer-related content) Two days (Friday and Saturday*) at the Donnington International Exhibition Centre Donnington Park Castle Donnington (near junctions 23A/24/24A of M1) 0930-1730 (1700 Saturday) lots of trade stands/flea market/bring and buy admission ?3 parking free - free bus from airport (and cheap bus from railway station Loughborough or Derby to airport) see www.lars.org.uk * but I think there is a big Touring Car race on the Saturday at the adjacent racetrack so getting there/back on Saturday may be less than pleasant. Andy

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Someone needs help for research paper

by vcf＠vintage.org

Can anyone help Dianne out with some computer wisdom? See message below, and please remember to CC your message to <dfmedic(a)msn.com>. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 06:32:53 -0700 From: dfmedic <dfmedic(a)msn.com> To: vcf(a)vintage.org Subject: Assistance Please Hi, I have been researching for information on comparing and contrasting mainframes and personal computers, but have not been able to locate any specific information. This information is required for a paper I have to present at the university I am attending. Could you send me some information on this or direct me to the appropriate resource? Thank you for your time and assistance. Sincerely, Dianne Fisher -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

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Mainframe stuff...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 18, Eric Dittman wrote: > Okay, you've got a 35 VUP system (VAX 7610), a 32 VUP system (VAX 6610), > and a 6 VUP system (VAX 8700). However, it looks like you are missing > the power controllers. The power controller for the 8700 is still down here in storage. It is stored at another location separate from the 8700 and we couldn't pick it up while Sridhar and Brian were here. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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microcoding a PC into a PDP-11 (was: RE: Classic Computers vs.

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> Does anyone on this thread even understand microprogramming? > > Apparently not. > > Pentium CPU's can't be microprogrammed, unless your Intel. Even microcode > updates cannot replace the basic instruction set. > > If you write a program in Pentium assembly code to run PDP-11 instructions, you > have just written an 'emulator', even if it does not run under windows. > > But an writing such an emulator is not 'microprogramming'. I was wondering about this! In all honesty I don't see any reason to go this low level, by doing this you're making it less portable. Ideally you want something like a stripped Linux or QNX system sitting on top of the hardware, with the system emulator sitting on top of that. If you want to avoid UNIX altogether, just take simh, and set it up so that it's started when the system boots, and you boot all the way up to the OS of your choice. Go one step further and hack simh so that if you shutdown the OS running on top of simh, that it shuts down the host OS. If you want to do hardware, go with FPGA's and reimplement the CPU and controllers like Neil Franklin is trying to do with the PDP-10. The tricky part here of course being the disk and tape controllers (unless you want to write your own device drivers). Zane

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Embedded PDP-11 Processors

by dittman＠dittman.net

> Brian Hechinger and I just got a few HSC95s. They've got J11s in > them. Do they have the STI bus, UNIBUS, or QBUS? Can they run standard RT-11? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Embedded PDP-11 Processors

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 18, Eric Dittman wrote: > > Brian Hechinger and I just got a few HSC95s. They've got J11s in > > them. > > Do they have the STI bus, UNIBUS, or QBUS? Can they run standard RT-11? They look to contain HSC-specific cards. They sorta resemble VAX-11/750 cards in size and card-edge connectors. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Embedded PDP-11 Processors

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 18, Bill Pechter wrote: > > DEC used embedded PDP-11 processors in many different places. There's > > the console for some of the VAX systems, and I've read some of the > > DECsystem-10 or DECSYSTEM-20 systems used a PDP-11 as a console system. > > Other uses of the PDP-11 that I know of are the HSCxx controllers and > > some of the printers. Where else did the PDP-11 get embedded? I know > > the HSZxx/HSDxx/HSJxx controllers used an Intel i960 processor, so > > there's no PDP-11 there. > > > > And speaking of the HSCxx controllers, are the PDP-11 controllers > > customized or is there a standard QBUS or UNIBUS system in there? > > My last DEC Field Service experience was with HSC-50's. > They had their own bus (no name known by field service). > I thought they went from F11 CPUs to J11 CPUs in the later ones (HSC70). > > I wondered if they ever used 78032 (uVaxII chips) in some of them. Brian Hechinger and I just got a few HSC95s. They've got J11s in them. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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CIQBA

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 18, Eric Dittman wrote: > Does anyone have a spare CIQBA for sale? Heh...me too! :-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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microcoding a PC into a PDP-11 (was: RE: Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 17, 9:42, Jonathan Engdahl wrote: > Have you ever soldered down a flash ROM? Not fun. I used 36 gauge self-strip > magnet wire and tweezers under a 40X stereoscope. I'd rather buy one > prebuilt if available. If you build you own, it might be hard getting the > interfacing and timing compatible with DRAMs. The ones I've seen have been regular SMD (0.5" pitch) devices which are not too hard to do with hot air, or are ordinary DIL (0.1" pitch). The last one I soldered was a DIL chip. Timing might be a problem; I have almost no idea what access time DIMMs are supposed to be but I expect it's faster than SIMMs. SIMMs are usually in the 60ns-120ns range, and it's not too hard to get FLASH or EPROM in that range too. You'd just need to demultiplex the addresses (latch the addresses presented on the first part of the memory cycle). Of course, modern motherboards use DIMMs. > Of course it would be feasible to implement a PDP-11 emulator in the BIOS > ROM, it just would not be as fast as the one I'm thinking of. Back in the > days of QEMM/386, I remember allocating 64K for the BIOS ROM. I haven't > really looked that closely at a BIOS ROM since then. I was wondering if > modern mainboards had larger ROMs, or if they still are stuck with 64K. I don't know for sure, but I seem to recall seeing at least 128KB. Not megabytes, though! -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computingt

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >> >The PIII will emulate the keyboard layout of a VT220 if you use an LK461 > >> >keyboard. > >> > >> What makes the LK461 special? > > > >The LK461 (and related keyboards, like the LK46W) have the same layout as the > >LK401, including all the keys. I use a couple on my Alphas and VT525. > > What about electrical or connector differences? > > I'm curious as a bunch came into a surplus place, and one of the other > junkies grabbed them all, but had no interest in the LK401. The LK461 has a PS/2 connector. The LK401 has a phone-jack connector. The LK401 can only be used with a VT2x0/VT3x0/VT4x0 terminal. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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CIQBA

by dittman＠dittman.net

Does anyone have a spare CIQBA for sale? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Embedded PDP-11 Processors

by dittman＠dittman.net

> My last DEC Field Service experience was with HSC-50's. > They had their own bus (no name known by field service). > I thought they went from F11 CPUs to J11 CPUs in the later ones (HSC70). > > I wondered if they ever used 78032 (uVaxII chips) in some of them. We have HSC95 controllers. I haven't looked inside as they are 24x7, but in the next month I'll be taking two of them out of service (and leaving two just to serve some 3480 and 9-track tape drives). Is the OS RT-11? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Embedded PDP-11 Processors

by IVIE＠cc.usu.edu

> Where else did the PDP-11 get embedded? There's a T-11 on the RQDX disk controllers. I've also been involved in a couple of projects which embedded complete MicroPDP-11s, but you're not likely to have heard of any of them. Roger Ivie ivie(a)cc.usu.edu

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Worm/Virus alert

by Marion.Bates＠dartmouth.edu

Hey all, Sorry bout the spam (and sorry if you already know about this) but I figured you folks might want to know to watch out for a new Code Red-esque worm that's running rampant...below is from SlashDot. http://slashdot.org/articles/01/09/18/151203.shtml -- MB ************** New (More) Annoying Microsoft Worm Hits Net Posted by CmdrTaco on Tuesday September 18, @10:10AM >from the what-a-pain-in-the-arse dept. A new worm seems to be running rampant Unlike Code Red, it attempts to hit boxes with many different exploits (including what looks like an attempt to exploit boxes still rooted by Code Red). It looks like each IP tries 16 attempts on its neighbors. There is also a new mail worm mailing WAV files or something with bits of what appears to be the registry... it may or may not be related. Got any words on this? Shut down those windows boxes and stop opening attachments. And make that 21. Got another one while writing this story. All my hits are coming from 208.n.n.n (where I am) I'm sure it'll keep moving to nearby boxes. Here are examples of the requests it's sending: GET /scripts/..%%35%63../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir GET /msadc/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c/..%c1%1c../..%c1%1c../ ..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir GET /_vti_bin/..%255c../..%255c../..%255c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir While writing this story I was hit a total of 4 times, 16 GET attempts per attack. In only 4 minutes. Also of interest, My desktop has now been hit about 500 times today, all from 208.x.x.x IPs. This might be really bad. I still haven't read anything about this anywhere else, so you heard it here first ;) Update: Web servers compromised by this worm apparently attach a "readme.eml" to all web pages served... and due to a bug in IE5, it will automatically execute the file! Yay Internet Explorer!

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So I finally had time to pick up my MMJ crimper....

by fernande＠internet1.net

It came in last week, I ordered it from Kendall electric. It's an Ideal Industries Crimpmaster. I was a little disappointed to find that it was made in Taiwan. Oh well, at least they are allies. I bought the connectors to go along with it too. I got home, promptly cut off the filed down standard RJ11 connector off of one end of my cable. THEN, I tried putting a new connector into the crimper.... I couldn't figure out how the dumb thing was supposed to work! I was thinking GREAT, I just dumped 70 bucks into a specialized tool I can't seem to use. I checked part numbers several times. Turns out the MMJ die set was in wrong.... they misassembled it at the factory. It worked fine once I straightened it out :-) Now I have a proper cable :-) Maybe sometime soon I can start messing around with the Vax again.... still need to break into VMS. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

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Embedded PDP-11 Processors

by dittman＠dittman.net

DEC used embedded PDP-11 processors in many different places. There's the console for some of the VAX systems, and I've read some of the DECsystem-10 or DECSYSTEM-20 systems used a PDP-11 as a console system. Other uses of the PDP-11 that I know of are the HSCxx controllers and some of the printers. Where else did the PDP-11 get embedded? I know the HSZxx/HSDxx/HSJxx controllers used an Intel i960 processor, so there's no PDP-11 there. And speaking of the HSCxx controllers, are the PDP-11 controllers customized or is there a standard QBUS or UNIBUS system in there? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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Worm/Virus alert

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> OK, I know this is not exactly on-topic, but I thought it was > ridiculous enough to share. > > Here's what I get from the logs on my IRIX web server running apache: > > > egrep "scripts/\.\..*" access_log | grep "18/Sep/2001" | wc -l > 7273 > > > egrep "msadc/\.\..*" access_log | grep "18/Sep/2001" | wc -l > 809 > > > egrep "_vti.*/\.\..*" access_log | grep "18/Sep/2001" | wc -l > 811 > > so, that's 8,893 bogus MS exploit requests. note too, that those numbers grew > by about 5% in about 5 minutes. Damn, I'm glad I don't run a windows machine > :) We do, and it isn't causing us any more trouble than *nix servers. 'Coz we patch. Surely the *nix sysadmins spend as much time writing Perl scripts as we do patching MS bugs... ;-) -dq

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Social Studies, mature student.

by d.quigley＠ntlworld.com

Can anyone give me any information on the definition of the word ' family '.

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IBM 1130

by jruschme＠Mac.com

> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:00:34 -0700 > From: "Brian Knittel" <brian(a)quarterbyte.com> > Subject: Re: IBM 1130 > > Good to hear there some other 1130 fans out there! > > I should have added that we have ten disk cartridges with our 1130. > One is labeled "IBM Only" and we hope it's a CE disk. We didn't > find any punched card based software other than four IPL (boot) cards. > One is labeled "APLIPL" and we have an APL typeball, so we think > one of the cartridges has APL on it. However, we're a long way from > trying to spin it up to see if the disks are still readable after > what must be 20 years. APL/1130... Lord, that brings back a couple of memories. FWIW, the language is very similar to APL/360. The nasty part was the special symbols. The console keyboard (basically a 029 keyboard) was mapped into three shift states (3 symbols per keycap) with the shift state being indicated by banks of front panel lights. IIRC, make sure to make lots of copies of the APLIPL card as my experience was that the reader/punch would occasionally munch it. Also IIRC, the correct name for the IPL card is a "Cold Start" card. > We also have the maintenance manuals and schematics, but > no diagnostic software listings. We'd be interested in getting > copies of anything you get scanned or OCR'd, Hans. > Norm is setting up a boffo website for it all. A grand > opening announcement will be coming soon! Can't wait to see it... <<<john>>>

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To garbage or ask for it: Commodore printer MPS801, TIs, Commodore 1525, DEC LA50, TRS80 Mod II exp box etc...

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi Garbage day tommorow and I will be scrapping more stuff I have accumulated too much of... This all going to charity (they probably wont want this) or garbage in about 24 hours or pick it up if you want it. I dont wanna start packing -- you have to have someone to pick this up. I know this is quite a long shot since I am in Montreal, Canada but who knows... A shame because most was cleaned and is working....most of this is stuff I have more than one of or just no space for... I anticipate more stuff getting junked so anybody with a large car or van that can pass by here can probably fill it up. MPS801 Commodore printer Commodore 1525 printer DEC LA50 printer TRS80 model II "8" floppy expansion box" with no drives Compaq portable II TI994a beige version TI994a black version Several MAC Plus and SE (no se-30s) Apple IIc Several C64 and Apple books some in french Some C64s and 1541 drives Untested 1084S monitor Stuff I cant see myself throwing in garbage but would like to see go to a good home : several Atari STs and Amiga 500s... Claude http://www.members.tripod.com/computer_collector

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microcoding a PC into a PDP-11 (was: RE: Classic Computers

by dittman＠dittman.net

> >Very good point. I was thinking that it would be nice to have a machine that > >was a PDP-11 as soon as you flipped on the power, but probably not worth the > >cost and hassle of the flash. Didn't some of the VAXen boot their microcode > >from a floppy? > > Yes, the VAX 11/780 does. I remember an early brochure for the 11/750 talking about how it would be easy to load custom microcode to emulator other processors. This wasn't in later brochures or product descriptions for the 11/750 that I've seen. > Interestingly, the DEC DSSI drives are nearly already "there" when it comes > to this sort of scenario. There already is a communications protocol that > lets you "log in" to the drive and talk to a variety of programs that are > stored in the Disk drives flash. It may actually have a real PDP-11 on it, > I don't know who might know what all the parts are on a DSSI drive. I don't think the DSSI drives have a PDP-11, but they are pseudo-CI. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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HP Cassette Tapes

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Marvin Johnston <marvin(a)rain.org> wrote: > I just received about 80 HP Cassette tapes today, and have no idea what > these things might be used on or for. They appear to be about DC-100 > size and have names such as "64850-10005 Z8 asm/lnk", "64815-10002 68000 > Pascal Compiler", "64816-10005 Z8001/2 Pascal Compiler", "Z80 Emul/Asm", > etc. Anyone have any idea of what machine these things might be used on? HP 64000 cross-development system. Some used DC100 tapes as distribution media, others used 5.25" floppies. -Frank McConnell

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microcoding a PC into a PDP-11 (was: RE: Classic Computers vs

by dittman＠dittman.net

> > My Mac IIfx used a ROM SIMM. The IIfx was the last Mac I ever > > bought, too, after the way Apple treated IIfx owners. > > One hell of a Mac, though. I only wish the thing was documented so > I could get from Apple OS 7.x and/or A/UX to something like NetBSD on > it. Apple's refusal to document the system was one problem. Another problem I had (that I started griping about during the A/UX 3.0 beta test) was Apple wouldn't let the engineers support the GPi pin on the serial ports under A/UX because not all Macs had the GPi pin. I continuously pointed out that all Macs that could run A/UX *DID* have the GPi pin, and they could allow this to be a configuration option. Without the GPi pin there was no way to have secure dial-in and hardware flow control, which means you really didn't want to have a dial-in connection on your A/UX system. There's a lot of other ways Apple mistreated IIfx owners. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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DEC DESPO-A Transceiver?

by lipo.ml＠gmx.at

Hi, does anybody know something about the DEC DESPO-A BNC Ethernet Transceiver? Its a small box (about 115*60*35 mm) with a BNC connector and a MMJ connector on the otherside. And ther is a cable wich on one side has the MMJ and on the other side a big black connector (don't know the name) which I have seen at token ring MUAs only. I haven't seen those token ring connectors for ethernet, and no BNC connectors on token rings. So I am a little bit confused about the purpose of these boxes. Looks like a ethernet/tokenring bridge but I don't believe this. Regards, Lipo -- Roland E. Lipovits Vienna, Austria

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Final numbers on Apple IIgs computers for sale

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Sorry to reply to myself.... PLEASE send all replies OFF-LIST for the IIgs systems posted previously .... Thanks! Rich B.

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Final numbers on Apple IIgs computers for sale

by r_beaudry＠hotmail.com

Hello all, First let me say that I hope all of you are all right, and that your lives are as normal as possible given the recent events. I know it's hard to think about old computers at a time like this, but I did at least want to let you all know what was happening. Obviously, if there are any delays in our transactions, I certainly understand ... Take care of what's important first.... Bear in mind that these systems are school surplus. They WILL need cleaning, and many have stickers, sticker residue, magic marker writing, etc. They are all in good physical condition (no rust, no cracks in the cases, etc.), but they all need to be cleaned. Here are the final counts on the IIgs stuff... These are all tested and working: - Qty. 14 ROM 3 IIgs CPUs, with power cord, NO internal cards. - Qty. 8 ROM 01 IIgs CPUs, with power cord, and memory expansion card (only one bank full on each). - Qty. 22 5.25" Floppy Drives, Model # A9M0107, with cable - Qty. 23 3.5" Floppy Drives, Model # A9M0106, with cable - Qty. 12 AppleColor RGB Monitors, Model A2M6014, with power cable AND signal cable (see below ... more available) - Qty. 9 mice, with ADB connector, labelled as Model # A9M0331 - Qty. 7 mice, labelled "Apple Desktop Bus", "Family # G5431" - Qty. 3 Apple Desktop Bus keyboards with cable (see more below) - Qty. 2 Macintosh LC II CPUs, with power cable - Qty. 2 Macintosh Color RGB Monitors, with power AND signal cables - Qty. 2 Apple IIc computers, with power supplies The following are untested: - Qty. 5 Imagewriter II printers, with power AND data cables - Qty. 17 Apple Desktop Bus keyboards and cables I am willing to test the remaining keyboards, and the Imagewriters if people want them. I also can get more monitors, but again, I only want to lug them here and test them if people want them. Please, even if you have responded before, respond with a specific list of what you want. Don't tell me "a complete system", because I have no idea what that means (mouse? 1 floppy? 2 floppies? ROM version? Monitor?). BE SPECIFIC. The two types of mice listed work with the IIgs, but I don't know if either is "correct" in that I don't know which version shipped with the IIgs. Because some items are limited in supply, if I get more offers than items, I will throw names into a hat to decide who gets what. PLEASE INCLUDE A ZIP CODE OR COUNTRY WITH YOUR RESPONSE so I can determine shipping costs... Once you respond with a want list, I will determine if I can fulfill it, then weigh everything, and get a shipping quote. In terms of money and shipment ... Payment must be in US funds, and I accept PayPal, or Money Order (International Money Order for overseas). The cost of each order is a minimum of $5.00 + "shipping". What this means is that a single cable will cost at least $5.00. A complete system will cost at least $5.00. Anything over $5.00 is up to you, bearing in mind that ALL proceeds will be donated back to the school I got the computers from. There is no special priority given to people who donate more money. "Shipping" includes actual postage (USPS from Westminster, MA USA 01473), plus actual cost of boxes and packaging (no more than $5.00, even for a complete system). Monitors and printers will be shipped in SEPARATE boxes from CPUs. If you come to my house to pick them up, you can "cherry-pick" for the best cosmetic condition. Thanks! Rich B.

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IBM 1130

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

Good to hear there some other 1130 fans out there! I should have added that we have ten disk cartridges with our 1130. One is labeled "IBM Only" and we hope it's a CE disk. We didn't find any punched card based software other than four IPL (boot) cards. One is labeled "APLIPL" and we have an APL typeball, so we think one of the cartridges has APL on it. However, we're a long way from trying to spin it up to see if the disks are still readable after what must be 20 years. We also have the maintenance manuals and schematics, but no diagnostic software listings. We'd be interested in getting copies of anything you get scanned or OCR'd, Hans. Norm is setting up a boffo website for it all. A grand opening announcement will be coming soon! And as for Jonathan's observation: > Oh my, an 1130! I don't think we've ever encountered such a severe case of > the classic computers disease. Brian, you need help. I don't think we can claim to have the worst case around here, no sirreee. On the other hand, Norm was suggesting that we port the 1130 emulator to the Palm platform and ... Brian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _| _| _| Brian Knittel / Quarterbyte Systems, Inc. _| _| _| Tel: 1-510-559-7930 Fax: 1-510-525-6889 _| _| _| Email: brian(a)quarterbyte.com _| _| _| http://www.quarterbyte.com

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microcoding a PC into a PDP-11 (was: RE: Classic Computers vs

by dittman＠dittman.net

> > >Cool idea -- flash on a DIMM. Has anyone ever heard of such a beast? > > > > The Apple Set Top box uses flash SIMM/DIMMs for it's boot > > code. At least the one I have does. It's a 68pin SIMM with 8 Intel > > E28F020 flash memory chips (256k x 8). > > Additionlly, several models of Macs have had either SIMM or DIMM > sockets for ROMs; in the case of the Mac IIci, it's unpopulated, > and my guess was there either for upgrades or for some special- > order boxes used by an unnamed customer... ditto the Quadra 605 > (LCII format). My Mac IIfx used a ROM SIMM. The IIfx was the last Mac I ever bought, too, after the way Apple treated IIfx owners. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Ethusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

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who's got an M88k Aviion?

by red＠bears.org

I'm looking for list members who own functioning M88k-series DG Aviion machines for a research base, so I can finish resurrecting my 310CD. I need some NVRAM information. Let me know if you have one; include the model and graphics type, or at least as much as you know about either. I'll follow up with more information in a week or so, depending on what kind of response I get. Thanks, I'd really appreciate it it! ok r.

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UK members - Leicester (Donnington) show

by andyh＠netcomuk.co.uk

Anyone else going to the Leicester show at Donnington on Friday? Not that the chances of finding anything really classic - as far as computers are concerned, anyhow - are that brilliant. But probably better than the last Ally Pally Rally. Andy

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HP Cassette Tapes

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On September 17, Marvin Johnston wrote: > I just received about 80 HP Cassette tapes today, and have no idea what > these things might be used on or for. They appear to be about DC-100 > size and have names such as "64850-10005 Z8 asm/lnk", "64815-10002 68000 > Pascal Compiler", "64816-10005 Z8001/2 Pascal Compiler", "Z80 Emul/Asm", > etc. Anyone have any idea of what machine these things might be used on? I'd guess they'd be for the HP64000 dev/emul system. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Laurel, MD

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Alpha CPU

by workstations＠poczta.onet.pl

I'm still looking for a DEC Alpha 21066A 233MHz chip to upgrade my AXPpci 33 motherboard. I want to either buy that CPU, or swap for other DEC Alpha chips. I have two 21064A 166MHz CPUs and one 21164-AA (266MHz) CPU. Jacek Artymiak -- r e k l a m a Lista Plac [ http://listaplac.onet.pl ]

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Philips P850 (Was: Classic Computers vs...)

by cmurillo＠manizales.autonoma.edu.co

"Tony Duell" wrote: > How long have you been on this list :-). You mean I've not waffled on > about it recently??? I've been on this list for about 2 years, but I have to say that sometimes I miss some of the posts because I can't cope with the traffic. > To answer the last part first, yes the P850 was perfectly operational > last time I used it (about a year ago), and I don't see any reason why it > should have failed since then. > > OK, to the programmer it looks like a 16 bit machine, but it's actually > got an 8 bit ALU and 8 bit data path to memory. Every word is processed > in 2 cycles, one of the low byte, one for the high byte. [very interesting description of the machine deleted] > -tony Thanks Tony! looks like a rather interesting machine to learn about processing units. I don't have any machine with a TTL-implemented processor. I'll keep my eyes open for one... carlos. -- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez email: carlos_murillo(a)ieee.org Universidad Autonoma de Manizales, Manizales, Colombia ---- "I've always thought that underpopulated countries in Africa are vastly underpolluted." -- Lawrence Summers, chief economist of the World Bank, explaining why we should export toxic wastes to Third World countries.

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Apple Set Top Box

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>What was that machine? I remember seeing one a while ago and never figuring >out what it was. It was a custom designed interactive TV unit, used for some test program in Texas and I think the UK. I think it was tested in a few schools, but I really don't know how far it went (it was probably slammed out of existance either by cost, or more likely by Channel 1 if it was meant for the educational market). I don't personally know of anyone that has gotten theirs to do anything, although I have read posts of a few people that got theirs to at least boot to an Apple logo screen. Mine just sits (it gets a red "starting up" light, but never gets past that to the yellow "standby" or green "on", or even the red blinking "busted" light). I got mine from a garage sale just recently (paid $5 for it, no remote, no anything, just the unit)... the guy selling it said his son went off to college, and he was getting rid of some of his "junk" he had kicking around the house while his son wasn't there to complain... my guess is, when the son gets home for vacation, he will be mighty pissed off (I also got a vintage 2 foot Godzilla with working shoot out hands and flicking fire breath... paid $2 for that). I have seen them come and go on ebay, usually selling for between $10 and $20 if you want to pick one up. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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microcoding a PC into a PDP-11 (was: RE: Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing)

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>By Apple set top box, do you mean the Mac that was black, and had a TV? Or >do you mean that device that was never released, is Apple branded, and >plugged into a TV? Or another machine all together? Can you elaborate? I think he means the black decoder like unit that was never released... at least his flash DIMM description fits the one that I have. (I just need a remote for mine, anyone have one?) Now if I can just find a MacTV (the first thing you mentioned) or a Pippin (the Apple/Bandi "Playstation" like thing), I can be a happy camper. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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microcoding a PC into a PDP-11 (was: RE: Classic Computers vs . Classic Computing)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >Cool idea -- flash on a DIMM. Has anyone ever heard of such a beast? > > The Apple Set Top box uses flash SIMM/DIMMs for it's boot > code. At least the one I have does. It's a 68pin SIMM with 8 Intel > E28F020 flash memory chips (256k x 8). Additionlly, several models of Macs have had either SIMM or DIMM sockets for ROMs; in the case of the Mac IIci, it's unpopulated, and my guess was there either for upgrades or for some special- order boxes used by an unnamed customer... ditto the Quadra 605 (LCII format). Regards, -dq

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Free printer supplies in Milpitas CA

by bob＠jfcl.com

We have several (about six or so) full boxes of fanfold, tractor feed, printer paper, both 8.5 x 11 and 11 x 14 sizes, that are free to anybody who wants to pick them up in Milpitas. We have lots (a couple dozen at least - I'm too lazy to count them) "data binders" for 11 x 14 printouts. These are the nice, heavy covers that fit printouts on tractor feed paper and keep them clean and pristine. Also free, in Milpitas. We have have a printer stand for a 11 x 14 tractor feed printer, complete with a sound proof enclosure and fan. No printer, I'm afraid, but still free. Contact me if you want any or all of them. Bob Armstrong bob(a)jfcl.com

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Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Bob Brown <bbrown(a)harper.cc.il.us> wrote: > The one I heard about was called a 'micro 3000' and was described as > desktop sized...(I thought this was diffeent from the model 48 that was > also being described).... Oops, sorry about that! I was thinking about the series 48 that had been mentioned in this thread. Yes, a Micro 3000 is more "desktop sized", or at least the processor is. Peripherals like disc and tape drives are in separate boxes so it's easy to end up with a system comprising several small boxes (e.g. a Micro 3000, a 9144 cartridge tape, and a couple of 79[45][1-9] disc drives), and once you've got all that they can be stacked inside a desk-side cabinet that HP used to sell for the purpose. If you look at the cover of the September 1985 HP Journal you will see a 3000 series 37 in this sort of cabinet. Note there are also "Micro GX", "Micro RX", and "Micro LX" models that are usually mounted in desk-side tower cabinets that have room for a 9144-like cartridge tape drive in the top and two disc drives in the base, and also keep the ATP/M mux panels (serial connectors) inside the cabinet. They weigh about 70 pounds and can be moved by a single person reasonably easily. -Frank McConnell

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[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #714

by pete.rickard＠carlingtech.com

[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #714 9/11/01 I'm on vacation and will return on Monday, September 17th. Thanks! -Pete

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scosug-talk: funny thread from other list

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> ! rm -rf /bin/laden = force the recursive removal of bin laden. > ! This would include himself, as well as all of his subordinates There is actually already in production a line of t-shirts, sweatshirts, and a coffee mug with this on it. > ! chmod a+x /bin/laden = allow anyone the permission to execute > ! bin laden heh... hadn't seen this one. -dq

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Sync on Green Monitors and Others

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 17, 10:05, Dan Wright wrote: > Info from LSI said: > > > > my multisync Sony's have worked with just about every type system > > I have ever tried them on except my SGI Indy's, and that might be > > because the SGI's 13W3 pin-out might not be compatible with the > > 13W3 to HD15 adapter I use with the Sun's? It's been very > > That's correct, the SGIs actually so SOG over the 13W3 connector. I don't > know what the pinout is, but I DO know that the 13W3 to HD15 adapters sold for > Suns don't work with the SGIs. Some SGIs do put out a separate sync signal; some Suns do as well. However, SGIs tend to provide separate hsync and vsync while Suns mostly do composite sync. Moreover, they use different pins for the sync and monitor type sense. I'm sure I posted the two pinouts to the list a while ago. But I've found almost all my multisync Sonys work with mu Indys and Indigos, providing I have the relevant 13W3-3xBNC or whatever cable. I think the only exception I've found was a Sun-badged Sony that wanted composite sync. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by fmc＠reanimators.org

Bob Brown <bbrown(a)harper.cc.il.us> wrote: > What happened regarding the desktop hp3000 that was being discussed? "desk-sized", not "desktop". It looks sort of like one and takes up about that much floor space, which is handy to know when one is figuring out how to lay out one's computer room. Speaking from personal experience, you may have to un-bolt the top (the woodgrain bit) to get a /44, /48, or /58 to fit around corners and through doors. -Frank McConnell

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FW: scosug-talk: funny thread from other list

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! -----Original Message----- ! Subject: Re: unix ! From: "Brad Brown" <brad.brown(a)openwave.com> ! Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 10:48:55 -0700 ! X-Message-Number: 10 ! ! rm -rf /bin/laden = force the recursive removal of bin laden. ! This would include himself, as well as all of his subordinates ! ! chmod a+x /bin/laden = allow anyone the permission to execute ! bin laden --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Some new stuff. What is it?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! >Modified Modular Jack. It's DEC connector, a bit like a ! >telephone plug ! >with the locking clip offset from the middle... ! ! Can someone get me a pinout of that? I suppose it shouldn't be too ! hard to change out for a normal jack. Pins: 1 - DSR 2 - RX+ 3 - RX- 4 - TX- 5 - TX+ 6 - DTR As seen here... http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#WIRES1 --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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IBM PowerStation 530

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Roger Merchberger replied to Blair Miller... >>now, so I've never seen the monitor hook-up either... it's mini-coax and >>looks like the diagram below: >> >>(o)(o)(o) >> >>I'm assuming that's RGB... > >Yep... As the ascii graphic (while pretty) is not completely informative, >if it's three mini-coax in IIRC a DB shell, it could be the same cable as >is used on some DEC machines, notably some of the older RISC boxen & the >DEC 3000/300 (which I have)... A cable meeting a similar description (dunno if it's identical?) to go from my VAX 4000 VLC to its VRC-16HA monitor carries the label: BC29G-09. When I google-searched for it, I found it available for prices ranging from around $15 to around $120 (!) on the net. This was several months ago. - Mark

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Classic Computers vs. Classic Computing

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

Recall that Jonathan Engdahl recently announced his development of MSCP device drivers for 2.9 BSD. That work was made possible by the availability of a reliable simulation environment. For this reason alone, simulators are indispensible to the real-hardware camp, as tools for supporting the maintenance and development of operating systems. Furthermore, I think simulators can play a big role in encouraging the long-term collection, retention and dissemination of legacy software to run on either real or emulated hardware. Norm Aleks and I just acquired an IBM 1130, and as far as I can see, there is NO software archived out there anywhere. It's very discouraging. You can bet that we're going to post whatever we can get our hands on, along with the simh-based simulator I'm 75% done with, to hopefully reawaken interest in the 1130. That's my .4 bits worth. Brian =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _| _| _| Brian Knittel / Quarterbyte Systems, Inc. _| _| _| Tel: 1-510-559-7930 Fax: 1-510-525-6889 _| _| _| Email: brian(a)quarterbyte.com _| _| _| http://www.quarterbyte.com

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Sync on Green Monitors and Others

by dec.parts＠verizon.net

Hello Blair, It seems from your description of your video connector that it may in fact be the 3W3 video connector as used on some DEC systems. One list member indicated ... > to 3 BNCs to hook up to a decent monitor that does sync on green If you try to use a fixed frequency monitor, you must use one that is a sync on green model monitor and that syncs at the correct horizontal and vertical frequencies. If you can determine which model monitor originally went to that system, you might be able to research a DEC or HP model that syncs at the same frequencies at ... http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/dec/ http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/hp/ > Find yerself a DEChead or two, and they may have a cable to fit... While I don't have any spares myself, I recently bought a cable >from Barry's Supply. He has one currently available at ... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1275561813 > some older multisync Mac monitors with the 3-BNC input might work ^^^^^^^^^....... NOT .......... ^^^^^ Sony made monitors for DEC, HP, IBM, SGI, Sun, RasterOps, Radius, and possibly others. If a monitor has only 3-BNC inputs, it is most probably a sync on green fixed frequency model. If it has 4-BNC inputs, it is most probably a composite sync model ( the only exception I know of to that is a NEC model which also has a HD15 connector in addition to the 4-BNC's ). Any other monitor I have ever seen, other than those NEC models, that is a multisync had 5-BNC inputs. Note however that some 5-BNC input models are fixed frequency ( GDM-1950 and GDM-1952 come to mind ). Generally I have found that the Sony models that have 5-BNC inputs and rotary controls are the fixed frequency type. The models that have 5-BNC inputs and have push button controls ( digital ) have been multisyncs ( GDM-1971 and 2075RO come to mind ). http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/sony/ http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/radius/ http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/radius/0322precisioncolor20.html http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/rasterops/ http://www.monitorworld.com/Monitors/rasterops/2075ro20colorgraphicsdisplay… Those monitors that are considered multisyncs should be able to sync up on a horizontal scan frequency as low as, or slightly lower than, DOS's 31.5 kHz. The really nice thing about the 5-BNC Sony models, both fixed frequency and multisyncs, is that they auto-sense, and auto-switch sync types. So even though the monitor has 5 BNC inputs, you can still hook up to just 3 of them if your graphics outputs a sync on green signal, or 4 of them if your graphics outputs a composite ( H and V on the same line, but a separate line than R, G, or B ) sync signal. And of course if your graphics outputs a separate sync signal ( H, V, R, G, and B all on separate lines ) you would connect to all 5-BNC inputs. I use my Sony multisyncs to hook up to and test my DEC Alpha's (SOG), VAXstation 4000/60's (SOG), HP PA-RISC (SOG), Sun's (CS), Macintosh's (CS), and of course, PC's (SS). In fact, my multisync Sony's have worked with just about every type system I have ever tried them on except my SGI Indy's, and that might be because the SGI's 13W3 pin-out might not be compatible with the 13W3 to HD15 adapter I use with the Sun's? It's been very convenient, space wise, to use one monitor to test all those type systems, rather than have to store a different monitor for each one. Bennett Subject: Re: IBM PowerStation 530 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:40:00 -0400 From: "Blair J. Miller" <millerbj(a)umich.edu> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> References: 1 , 2 Emanual - Hrm... I guess if I'd have known from the beginning that the computer would be a '7013 model 530' I'd have been a lot better off. I didn't find the exact manual, but rather one for the '500' series, and though it was published in 1996 (this computer is from 1990 or so) most of the physical stuff still seems to apply. Thanks for the heads up... - Blair > Try www.ibm.com ;-) > Anyway, check the real product number of this machine. Should be > something like "7013 model 530" (?) Subject: Re: IBM PowerStation 530 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:45:29 -0400 From: "Blair J. Miller" <millerbj(a)umich.edu> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> References: 1 , 2 > Yup, it's RGB, sync on green. You need to get a cable to break that out > to 3 BNCs to hook it up to a decent monitor that does sync on green... Unfortunately, the monitor that may have been hooked up to the machine was nowhere to be found... and this being my first classic computer, I don't have such a thing lying around either. :o( I read something about hooking a serial terminal up to the machine directly... Forgive me for dumb questions, but I'm assuming a serial terminal is one of those boxes that I keep seeing that has hookups for mice, keyboards, SVGA monitors, and the like? Also called a 'Terminal Station' I believe... Will this work? I don't even know if I'm asking the right question here, and I could be horribly, stupidly, wrong. :o) This thing comes from 'way back in the day' for me, before I was even interested in computers, so I don't know a whole heck of a lot right now. More research I guess... Thanks again. Blair Subject: Re: IBM PowerStation 530 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:49:01 -0400 From: "Blair J. Miller" <millerbj(a)umich.edu> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> References: 1 > Without looking at your email address, it took me a moment to figure out > where you were... I'm up in Sault Ste. Marie, MI right on the Canadian I've been there once or twice... I believe I also have relatives living there, though that could just be my imagination. > Find yerself a DEChead or two, and they may have a cable to fit... and some > older multisync Mac monitors with the 3-BNC input might work with it as > well... Where would I find something like this... I've no problems driving around Michigan (I think of driving as a way to calm down, and I end up doing it a lot, especially when dealing with foreign territory in the world of computers) to get my hands on one, but I'm not sure where to look. I suppose another trip to property disposition is in order. :o) Thanks for the tips. Blair Subject: Re: IBM PowerStation 530 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:50:36 -0400 From: "Blair J. Miller" <millerbj(a)umich.edu> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> References: 1 , 2 > If you decide not to keep the 530 let me know Will do. You close to Ann Arbor? Blair Subject: Re: IBM PowerStation 530 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:53:16 -0400 From: "Blair J. Miller" <millerbj(a)umich.edu> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> References: 1 > You should be able to get it to use a serial console. Having the key to > get it into service mode is extra helpful. Fortunately, I've got the key. Unfortunately, I'm a newbie to ALL of this, and I'm not sure what a serial console is... can you elaborate? > Making sure the RAM hasn't been removed is important. The amount would > matter if you were going to try to move to recent versions of AIX. I doubt it has. It was just sitting there, and it doesn't appear that anyone has opened it in a LONG LONG time. As for AIX, I'll figure that out when I can actually use the system. I also read something very brief that this machine would run LinuxPPC or YellowDog (forget which). Any idea if that's true? Thanks for your help. Blair

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Why is this so slow?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, I asked this, just in case there was a problem somewhere. Every other mailing list I'm on does not have a delay this bad. I'm not worried about a delay, but with it being 1.5 hours, it seems like there's a problem somewhere. We're using Exchange here at work, so that might be it. If anyone has any hints of stuff for me to check out here at this end, let me knwo, off-list... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Roger Merchberger [mailto:zmerch@30below.com] ! Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 4:22 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: RE: Why is this so slow? ! ! ! Rumor has it that David Woyciesjes may have mentioned these words: ! >Rich --- ! > Actually, my time estimate was a little wrong. The messages take ! >about an hour and a half... ! ! [snip] ! ! I've not seen lags anywhere near that -- mebbe 5-10 minutes ! at most. My ! Eudora checks mail every 4 minutes, and it's usually 2 checks ! & it's there. ! ! Methinks it might be something on your end... Have you called ! your ISP? ! ! I'll time this one and see what I end up with... ! ! HTH, ! "Merch" ! -- ! Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers ! Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. ! ! If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead ! disarmament should *not* be your first career choice. !

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IBM Keys was: IBM PowerStation 530

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I'm missing a key for one of my AS400's Does anyone know about >getting keys made or picking the lock? I don't know what key is on the AS400, if it is a round key, just call a locksmith, if it is a regular straight key, it may be like the ones on the PS/2's I have, which are single tumblers, and can be picked with a paperclip in about 10 seconds (take a small paper clip, straighten it, and then bend into a U... insert points first into the lock, and jiggle while turning it, you should be able to hit the right spot in a few soconds). The more tumblers, the harder it is to pick, but generally, anything 3 and under can be done with a paper clip, over that, you might want to call a locksmith or get a lock pick kit. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

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[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #712

by pete.rickard＠carlingtech.com

[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #712 9/11/01 I'm on vacation and will return on Monday, September 17th. Thanks! -Pete

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Anyone want an 11/750 & 11/730 out of New Jersey?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, I have a contact who needs to get rid of a VAX 11/750 and an 11/730 real soon and they are in Sommerset County, New Jersey. A picker-upper would be preferred. There is also an HP 3000/48. Let me know who wants them and can pick up. If there is contention, I think one should try sharing, so let me know which one you really really badly want if you have to choose. Thanks, -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

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[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #715

by pete.rickard＠carlingtech.com

[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #715 9/11/01 I'm on vacation and will return on Monday, September 17th. Thanks! -Pete

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[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #713

by pete.rickard＠carlingtech.com

[1]classiccmp-digest V1 #713 9/11/01 I'm on vacation and will return on Monday, September 17th. Thanks! -Pete

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Why is this so slow?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Does anyone have any idea why it takes upwards of 15-20 minutes (seems longer sometimes) for my postings to this list to get sent back out? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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recent acquisitions for the House of VAX

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

I got a great bunch of artifacts recently from an ex-Digit (DEC Employee) who was finally not going to use his VAX for anything else any more. These included: A set a PAKs that rivals the Hobbyist offering and exceeds it in that it has a PL/I and APL PAK. Several RRD40 caddys and a couple of the SCSI version of the RRD40 (I'm on the look out for the non-SCSI version, will trade one for one!) A VAXServer 3100/M48 (yet another one I didn't have yet.) with all the option cards (multi-serial, DMF32, etc) A bunch of manuals, including the VT103 users guide and a bunch of VAX 11/730 manuals (including the CPU technical manual!) An Ultrix-32 Condist for VAX (v3.0) Three VMS Condists (5.2, 6.0, and 6.1) Cables for various things. Some RTL replacement parts for the PDP-5 !!!! Bits of ephemera from the DEC hey day (VAX brochures, DECUS disks, etc) Some more docs Available for trade: TU58 Technical Manual TU58 User's Guide RL02 User's Guide RL01/RL02 manual Some DECConnect stuff and a crimping tool with about 20 MMJ "heads" Lots of little detail parts that are so hard to come by when you need them. --Chuck

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scanned DEC manuals

by lipo.ml＠gmx.at

Hi, recently somebody (Chuck?) posted an URL for scanned DEC manuals <http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm>. Today I've seen that a lot of manuals are no more available. Does anybody know something about this or about other sites where the manuals are still available? Regards, Lipo -- Roland E. Lipovits Vienna, Austria

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Practical Electronics and D. Bollen

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Sep 16, 13:07, Doug Coward wrote: > Does anyone have a near complete collection of > Everyday Practical Electronics (EPE) Magazine? Maybe > the magazine has an author's index. Can anyone think > of the name another similar magaazine that fits this > description? That used to be two separate magazines, "Practical Electronics" which was been around for, well, forever (mid '60s); and "Everyday Electronics" which was more recent (mid '70s, aimed at beginners). EPE is the result of a merger. I bet some of the current staff have been around long enough to know what you're looking for. Try http://www.epemag.wimborne.co.uk/ -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Need IBM PC Server 320 bay filler plates (6)

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

In search of 6 of the vented original 5.25" half height filler plates for my new Server 320 - just mainly for looks. I have all the bays full of hard drives so that's why I need to fill all 6 bays. I understand that Server 325 hot swap trays fit the 320 so maybe the 325 filler plates work as well. Will pay up to $1 each for them (plus mailing of course) and would love it if one person has all of t hem but can get one or two from each person until I get what I need. OR I have some excess SCSI controllers and memory cards (no ram) for microchannel 286 and 386 level machines I can trade if possible, as well as various ESDI hard drives from PS/2 55SX and 70 machines.Drop me a note direct if you have these plates to spare. I'm in the middle of the US (KY) so postage isn't much from any part of the US or Canada.

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