In a message dated 7/26/01 10:25:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
vaxman(a)qwest.net writes:
> Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap!
>
> How would YOU feel if someone broke into your computer system and took
> YOUR files to do whatever he felt like with? Or hacked your voicemail
> system and listened to your messages?
>
> I know your knee-jerk reaction... I don't have anything I care about
> on my computer...
First off, there is a HUGE difference between Hackers and Crackers. Hackers
generally DO NOT make it a point to cause dammage - they are just "browsing"
for the most part.
> If your name, DOB, and SSN are ANYWHERE on your computer, a hacker can
> steal your identity. A credit card number (perhaps from an letter you
> typed in and FAXed to purchase something because you didn't want to
> send your CC# across the internet)? Bank account numbers? ETrade
> account numbers?
You would FAX a credit card or account number? Why not just buy a billboard
for it somewhere. Computer systems for online purchases use encryption for
this information and I know we all know that on this list.
Now before you go getting bent about my reply, let me quantify a little bit:
I am not promoting hacking into someone's computer nor am I saying I want
anyone roaming around in any of mine for any reason. What I am saying is I
would much rather have a "hacker" in there than some damn "script kiddie"
(which wasn't covered really in the show).. They are the bad ones - the
crackers.. Now as far as the show, I though it was pretty good and tastfully
done. On a personal note, while people like Kevin Mittman might "legally" be
considered criminals my opinion is since they caused little or no dammage,
and made no money off their "efforts" the FBI would have been better off
spending my taxpayer money catching murderers or drug dealers, etc.. But,
like I said, that's only my opinion. If you want to throw someone in jail
for computer crimes, catch some of those 13 year old script kiddies that keep
crashing computers and running DDOS attacks and hang them - AND their
parents. At least with Mittman in your system, your system is still running.
-Linc Fessenden
In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.
Hey, group.
A friend of mine just acquired one of those big programmable
highway emergency signs (the one with the little flourescent flip
segments). It works, except the computer that runs it is flaky on a
good day. It's an Epson HX-40 with a cassette interface that
connects to the sign-control circuitry, running a proprietary control
app.
Anybody here have one in good working order that they wouldn't
mind parting with? Let me know.
Thanks!
Paul Braun WD9GCO
Cygnus Productions
nerdware_nospam(a)laidbak.com
"A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without a bunch of bricks tied to its head."
It appears that the engineers at DEC who designed the VAX4000-200
power supply may have been short on functional brain cells. Although
due to a lack of MMJ or RJ-14 (I'd just cut the tabs off) connectors,
I can't properly test this VAX, I thought I'd at least power it up,
check the PSU and look at the LEDs. This was foiled by the need for a
special power cord, or at least a, literally, hacked power cord.
For those who haven't seen this PSU mains connector, it looks sort of
like illustration A below, where the 'o' represents a piece of
plastic sticking out to block a standard cable from being plugged in.
- -
o- -
- -
A B
Did DEC have a reason for doing this, other than to be able to extort
money from people who need replacement power cords, or to sell them
new systems when they make replacement power corde obsolete?
--
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All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such
http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.
> Nothing wrong with newer versions, personally I prefer running 7.2 on my
> VAXen, though I do keep one at 5.5 for compiles. Still for systems without
> a lot of RAM V5.5-2 choice.
I picked up a TZ867 yesterday and the cartridge library had what might
be a TK50 distribution of V5.5-2H4. I'm going to check this week and
if it is, I'm going to install it on a secondary drive. I seem to
recall -2H4 is the earliest release that runs on the 4000/300.
> > This far, I haven't noticed anything truly remarkable with regards to
> > software, although at first glance, it looks like nothing is missing.
> > Fortunately, someone installed kermit, so that will make things,
> > such as installing TCP/IP, easier. :-)
>
> You've a couple choices with VMS 5.5, the easiest is the freeware stack
> CMUIP, I used it before the V2 Hobbyist program. I'd recommend a TCPIP
> stack from Process software, one or both supports V5.5-2.
I prefer Multinet.
> > DECnet is installed and apparently configured, so I guess this means
> > that I can use my DEC terminal server with this machine... do I need
> > to do anything other than connect the terminal server to the VAX and
> > then use it? I know nothing about DECnet.
>
> Try saying 'connect {hostname}' on the terminal server, and see what
> happens. If that doesn't work, you might need to turn on the software that
> is needed for LAT.
The configuration needs to be checked before connecting to the network
if you've got any other systems running DECnet to make sure there are
no conflicts.
As for the termina server, are you wanting to connect a serial port
on the terminal server to the console port on the VAX or do you want
to connect the terminal to a serial port on the terminal server and
connect to the VAX over the network?
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
I read this list in digest form so I get stuff a little
late. No need to worry Chad, the controller is an Emulex
Pertec-type controller - two 50-pin cables. I think
the model is TC02 (big chip label reads TC0210201-FSJ),
assembly # on pcb is TU0210401 rev G.
Re the Cipher C880 tape drive, I found some references in
Google but nothing panned out. There was supposed to be
a PDF version of the F880 manual on www.retrobytes.org
according to
http://www.classiccmp.org/mail-archive/classiccmp/2000-03/0050.html
but danged if I can find it there. Looks like the site
only lists used PC stuff for sale.
The back of the drive says it runs at 1600 or 3200 bpi.
That's a new one on me. Hope those old tapes I made
long ago are at 1600 and not 800.
Photos I saw of the F880 look just like my drive. That's
promising but superficial. Does anyone know the difference
between the Cipher C880 and the F880 series? Anybody
have any detailed info on either drive?
Brian
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2001; Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> wrote:
> You aren't REALLY a true packrat until you realize you can't bring home
> more than a small bag of groceries because of the computer stuff in your
> car that you don't have room to put in your house.
ROFL... The truth don't hurt as much when it is funny...
Seriously, thanks Mike. I knew that router was around here somewhere, and
it turns out it was right where I left it, in the back of my wife's car.
I just needed a little reminder.
Mike
Hi,
I just got a nice looking Limrose Microtutor
(MPT 8080/K-1) ... without any documentation :(
Does anyone have any?
thanks!
Stan Sieler
sieler(a)allegro.com
Stan Sieler sieler(a)allegro.com
www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.htmlwww.allegro.com/sieler
In a message dated Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:12:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "Clint Wolff (VAX collector)" <vaxman(a)qwest.net> writes:
> A point to ponder... Would it be okay for someone to enter your house
> and poke around in your closets? Watch your home movies on your VCR?
A point for you to ponder.. There is no such thing as complete security on your computer. You can't do it unless you never turn it on. Since that is true, realisticly I would much rather have someone browse than break/crack/destroy. Thats my only point. Stopping everyone from hacking would be like stopping everyone from speeding - just can't be done.
>
> PS Why do you think a FAX is equivalent to a billboard? It is a
> lot easier to break into an etailer's computer and steal the
> whole database of customer information.
Couple real logical reasons for this.. What if you send the fax to the wrong place? Who says how many people have access to walk by the fax machine with your credit card number on it before it's delivered to who it needs to go to? I work in a company office with only 50 other people and can't manage to get my faxes every time they're sent - somehow they "get lost" between the machine and me - this would horrify me if I were getting credit card numbers or account numbers, etc.. Who says the person delivering your faxed numbers is an honest person? etc..
It's easier to break into a secure encrypted computer and get information than to walk by a fax machine somewhere and grab some papers? NOT.
> There were thinnet repeaters which provided segment isolation and regenerated
> the signal onto other segments...
>
> The DEC Delni comes to mind.
I've got a DECrepeater 90C. It has six coax connectors for linking
segments. I don't use it for anything, but I can't see throwing it
away. Someone may need one sometime.
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
> Sean 'Captain Napalm' Conner wrote:
> > just how much has been lost to time in the onslaught of Microsoft and Unix
> > (the two worst things to happen to the industry but some might argue about
> > the Unix bit 8-)
>
> At the risk of pandering to a troll, what were/are the alternatives?
>
> I am not interesting in hearing about MS as having had to deal with it
> for 17 years, I've lived why it was a bad thing.
>
> Unix - well fragmentation is the only thing I can think of, which is
> being mirrored in Linux these days.
>
> what alternative(s) was there?
Why do you speak in the past tense? While at work, I do UNIX, at home I use
two *very* good alternatives, OpenVMS and MacOS (ok, so it's turning into
another OS, but I'm not using OS X). There is also Amiga OS, version 3.9
was released a couple months ago. TOS systems are still available new.
Then there are the various non-UNIX OS's that IBM has. Let's not forget the
PDP-11 OS's that are still in active use, and still seeing some development
(nor forget the fact you can still buy new PDP-11's). Shoot, TOPS-20 is
still around on XKL's hardware.
Of all of the above, as many here know, my personal favorite is OpenVMS, and
it's a very real, very good, and very actively developed alternative.
Zane
