test-drb May 2001

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by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Joe: You've just described the power supply for one of our Intel ICE's (one of the *really* old ones). The sides a slightly sloped like a FLUKE PTI style case, right? Almost certainly used with one of their (Old) emulator or dev products. Jeff On Mon, 14 May 2001 10:28:52 -0400 joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> writes: > I went scrounging this weekend and found an Intel power supply. > It's > a stand alone uinit that runs on 115 or 230 volts AC and it has two > output > connectors. They look like Molex connectors but they're bigger than > the > ones used in the PCs. Each connector has nine pins and puts out 5 > VDC@8A > and + & - 12 VDC @ .5 A. The box is about a foot long and 6 inches > wide and > about 5 inches tall. The ends are white and the sides and top are > made of > perforated metal painted black. The Intel part number is > 108399-003. Does anyone know what this is for? > > Joe > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

23 years, 7 months

Vintageness

by mtapley＠swri.edu

Iggy, You are in a rare and enviable position, if you really don't care whether what you get is the original or a copy. To you, if I interpret what you say correctly, - A CD and Walkman is better than a night at the symphony (cheaper, can be replayed at will). - Safeway (a chain of grocery stores in the US) generic root beer is better than A&W (cheaper, still floats ice cream) - A Saturn (car) is better than a BMW M3. (cheaper, more dealers, still gets up to the speed limit) - A print of the Mona Lisa is as good as the original (and can be rolled up and stuffed in a tube for transportation or mailing). - This year's repro Mark-8 is as good as a 1970's one (and more reliable). - Corner liquor-store champagne is as good as Dom Perignon (still bubbles, you still get tipsy when you drink enough). This is wonderful for you because you can afford all the ersatz experiences a *lot* more easily than I could afford all the originals. It's also slightly good for me, because it means you won't be competing with me if I should ever have a chance to buy the Mona Lisa (or a BMW, ...). I *know* there are differences between the originals and the copies, in all of the cases I listed above. In three out of six, I am well enough equipped to appreciate them, and I would *really* want to see/use the original at least once, even if budgetary constraints forced me to live with the copy long-term. (ie: go to the symphony and then buy the CD, hoping it would help me remember some of what the symphony was like). In the other three cases, I don't appreciate all of the differences. But because they *are* copies, I *know* they are there, and if I ever become better educated, I may regret owning a copy when I learn what they are - or I may forever miss out on some subtle beauty of the original, because I settled for a copy. Suppose I never drove a BMW - a Saturn always got me where I was going. I could easily sneer at people who "wasted their money on BMW's", out of ignorance. The fact that I really wouldn't be able to tell the difference as I was learning to drive doesn't mean I'd never be able to tell. The same applies to research on the history of the creation of the original. Maybe the PC board was laid out a certain way to facilitate test during assembly, or because the designer knew his PC etching technique wouldn't support two vias too close together. If Speedy Circuits can now put 10 vias in the same space, and the "copy" is laid out to take advantage of that, some history is lost, whether original 1970's parts are used or not - and if I am researching the copy, I'll never notice it. And I don't buy the argument that any copy will ever be the true equal of the original - it may be pretty close, *in the characteristics that the copiers care about*, but it won't be the same. Finally, and this may be the point that you and Sellam are most at odds about, there is a component of emotional state that is important to any experience. If you are able to put yourself into the same emotional state before and during viewing a copy of the Mona Lisa as you would be viewing the actual Mona Lisa - good for you. It'll save you the price of admission to the Louvre (or where-ever the Mona Lisa is). I can't. I think, based on his arguments, Sellam can't (correct me if I'm wrong here, Sellam). To us, the knowledge of what we are looking at is a critical part of experiencing it. It's worth something (though it may not be worth the cost of buying the thing, either), and it means we do not regard people who value originalty (and pay a lot for the originals) as "idiots" - we share some of their values. It doesn't mean we won't use copies either. I've never seen the real Mona Lisa, but the copies I've seen are good, and I've enjoyed them. But I want to see the real one, someday. - Mark

23 years, 7 months

FREE AMIGA MAGAZINES in Montreal -- They are gone...

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Never expected this response to a bunch of magazines Already have 4 - 5emails. Talking with people in order of emails received, if they look at shipping and pass, I go on to next. But already have 5 so thats pretty much it I guess someone in those 5 will be willing to pay shipping. Thanks Claude

23 years, 7 months

Vintageness ( was Re: Serious Request For Moderation (On

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Another good fact to add to the Apple I vs. Sun analogy is the fact that Apple is credited with pioneering the desktop/home/personal computer market (mass market that is), while Sun didn't invent the workstation (though they'd like you to think so). For what it's worth, Apollo invented the workstation, though Sun was around fairly soon afterwards.. What irks me is that I read an interview with some Sun guy about the Sun Blade and they claimed they invented the workstation, which is untrue.. ugh. The Apple I also, as was stated, had a very small production as well, and it was the very first product of a company that is still around and very famous, though I'll exclude any thoughts I might have about their hardware... Along those lines, think what a PDP-1 would be worth, with a production of 50 or so, and being A. DEC's first computer system, and B. the machine upon which Spacewar was created.. It is irrelevant if you like or dislike DEC (or Apple), you still can't deny they have made a lasting mark upon the computer industry, unless you like to make yourself look at least somewhat clueless... Just like Da Vinci's ideas, though not so much his paintings, have had a profound influence on Western civilization... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

23 years, 7 months

FDCs -- was Re: TELEDISK Problem

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> >> some don't, but I can't remember which FDCs do/don't (I think WD 37C65 etc >> need it but NatSemi DP8473 and WD 1770/1772 don't care). > >I seem to remember a problem something like : 765s and related >controllers (by practical experimentm, the 37C65 is one of these) will >miss a sector header (and thus be unable to read the sector) if it comes >too soon after the index pulse. The WD177x and 179x, etc don't seem to care. Yes, that is a spec'ed item delay after index. The cheap fix, delay index about 95% of one revolution, fakes it into thinking it occured earlier. >The 765 and the 8272 are essentially the same chip. They use an external No the ARE the same chip, at one point NEC made them for Intel. >data separator circuit, and in most PC disk controllers this is >configured for DD operation only. If there's the well-known 9216 8 pin data >separator chip, you might be able to get that to run in single-density >mode (Inverting the MFM select output of the 8272 and feeding it to pin 5 >(cut the track that grounds this pin of course) of the 9216 often works >for _reading_. Writing involves modifying the write precompensation circuit. Depends on the precomp needed. for single density it's fairly lax, for DD that might require tweeking or not. >If the data separator is several smaller chips (like the original IBM FDC >card), it's a lot more work. If you have the drawings, it may be easier. Many more parameters are alterable that way. >I think the 37C65 should work in single density mode, but it's a long >time since I read the datasheet. It will do single and double 8", unless the board compromized and used a half speed clock. >And my experience of other disk controller chips (UMC, etc) is that while >they may be documented as working in SD mode, they don't. At least not >reliably. It's a setup and config issue. Allison

23 years, 7 months

FREE AMIGA MAGAZINES

by sheldon＠ameritech.net

Claude, I'm interested in the last couple of AmigaWorld issues to complete my collection, March 1995-onward. Thanks, --Sheldon

23 years, 7 months

ldb4401 can be replaced by .....?

by General＠cyber.net.pk

dear sir please address the issue regards nasir

23 years, 7 months

VCF East 1.0 - July 28/29 in Marlborough, Massachusetts!

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

I'll be there, barring any catastrophe. -Dave McGuire On May 14, Cini, Richard wrote: > Who's going to VCF East?? I was toying around with going and wanted to see > who from the list would be there. > > Rich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vintage Computer Festival [mailto:vcf@siconic.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 12:46 AM > To: Classic Computers Mailing List > Subject: VCF East 1.0 - July 28/29 in Marlborough, Massachusetts! > > > > It's finally official! > > VCF East 1.0 > July 28-29, 2001 > 10am to 5pm daily > Best Western Royal Plaza Hotel and Trade Center > Marlborough, Massachusetts > > Admission > > $10 daily at the door > > Speakers > > Want to give a talk at VCF East 1.0? E-mail me at <sellam(a)vintage.org>. > > > Exhibitors > > Sign-up your exhibit at http://www.vintage.org/2001/east/exhibit.php3 > > > Vendors > > Want to sell vintage computer stuff at VCF East 1.0? Contact me at > <vendor(a)vintage.org>. > > > More info to come soon, including updated VCF East 1.0 web pages with > speaker schedule, exhibits and more! > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer > Festival > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger > http://www.vintage.org

23 years, 7 months

Vintageness ( was Re: Serious Request For Moderation (On

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

The DN10000 is the bit-slice implementation of the RISC chip Apollo designed.. Here's a note from a computer architecture site: PRISM (3-wide LIW), 1988 - Barry Flahive, Rick Bahr, and John Yates John Yates contributed the multi-issue idea. PRISM was a 3-wide machine -- in each successive clock tick, you could do a floating-point add, a floating-point multiply, and an integer operation (typically a LOAD, for instance of two floating point registers). Perfectly balanced for single-precision Linpack or FFT. DN10000 - the first (and last) model, 54 MIPS, 36 megaflops in 1989. Paul Mageau and Andy Milia were chiefly responsible for the memory system. Doug Voorhies, Olin Lathrop, and Dave Kirk were chiefly responsible for the graphics system. Therefore, the DN10000 is the bit-slice implementation of PRISM... A bunch of the stuff in PRISM went into PA-RISC 1.1, I believe... The date for PA-RISC 1.0 is 1987, don't know now of any machines besides one model of 3000 that use it... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

23 years, 7 months

FREE AMIGA MAGAZINES : 1989-1995 Amiga World, .info, Amigo Times, Amiga Transactor...many, or to reclycling they go

by claudew＠videotron.ca

Hi all from Montreal. Big piles of Amiga mags. Donated from frequent collection contributor (ex local DEC employee). Mostly Amiga World 1989 - 1995. A few .info, Amigo Times, Transactor, Amazing Amiga etc...All great shape. Sorry no time to list issues here. Not even time to go through them...Perhaps you are looking to complete some years or whatever. Ask for issues, Ill get back to you quick, I check email often. Free for just shipping You can ask for one (cheap to ship) or some....or all of them ($$$ to ship...) Please hurry cause these will go in recycling bin in a few days. This is not a trade - these are offered free....but you can always remember me now or in the future....I collect mostly "home" micros 197x-198x 8 and 16 bits...some machines rare here in Montreal...and common in US... Thanks Claude http://computer_collector.tripod.com

23 years, 7 months

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