test-drb April 2001

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Ever take a MicroVax through the car wash??

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 4, 21:33, Tony Duell wrote: > A word of warning. Do not use the water-boiling device often used to > prepare water for tea/coffee for boiling belts Similarly, the low-vacuum generator often found in the broom cupboard should be used with care. Whilst it is useful for gathering up small mechanical or electronic components dropped in awkward places, if it is of the type that "beats as it sweeps etc", it must not be used be used to recover the contents of a box of Winchester primers. The primers will not be usable afterwards. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

24 years, 2 months

Ever take a MicroVax through the car wash??

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello, What kind carwash do you recommend.... the kind with brushes, or no-touch? Will the brushes leave scratches in the finish? :-) Kidding.... Actually I just took the plastic case from my 3400 up the do-it-yourself car wash. I used the engine/tire cleaner on it, and then Comet Cleanser. It turned out nicely..... it is drying now. Usually I do this kind of thing in the bathtub, but since the Microvax case is quite a bit larger than a PC, I decided to do it outside. Since I live in an apartment..... that meant the carwash. The high pressure hose was nice :-) Once I get the case put back together, I'll set it up next to a PC, in a more permanent location. Then I'll get the capture file of "show ***", and post it to the list. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

24 years, 2 months

HP 7933 help (This is easy, trust me..)

by jarkko.teppo＠er-grp.com

Heeeeellllou all! So I'm going to be playing around with a 7933 disk drive during the weekend and I'd really appreciate some help. The 7933 is a big honkin' washing machine sized hard disk circa <1985 with a nice keypad and a nifty display (it's not seven segment, more likely ten-segment or something like that). The procedure for powering it up is something like this: connect power (normal single-phase 230V), hit circuit breaker, wait, hit "load/unload" button, wait 3 minutes for the disk to spin up, wait 4 minutes for airpurge (I gather this was simply "purge" in previous models, much to the delight of MPE users) and if you're lucky you'll get "drive #" on the display. So this much I know, but I was wondering if anyone has even a short list of the keypad commands (test numbers etc.) I think it has bad blocks and before I try mediainit I might as well run the built-in diags. TIA, -- jht

24 years, 2 months

Ever take a MicroVax through the car wash??

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Errm, since I'm assuming you're talking guns here, I'd imagine the vacuum stands a good chance of not being operable afterwards, too! Reminds me of my mom's friend's mother, who quit vacuuming forever after she mistakenly vacuumed up a bullet.. scratch one vacuum cleaner! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

24 years, 2 months

cdp1802

by Demon02554＠aol.com

could everyone who sent me an email about that cdp1802 chip resend please.... my little sister deleted them all before i had a chance to read them....thanks

24 years, 2 months

Teledisk not working

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I have a copy of Teledisk, but have not used it, so my comments might not be on the mark. But, I have used other disk format copy programs and know that they have trouble copying Kaypro disks unless the source disk was formated on the target (non-Kaypro) computer. Apparently the Kaypro (and also Zorba) format had some strange features. Might the unusual formatting be the source of Joe's problems? Robert Feldman Robert_Feldman(a)jdedwards.com -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Lane [mailto:kyrrin@bluefeathertech.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 9:55 AM To: Joe Cc: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Teledisk not working At 10:10 04-04-2001 -0500, you wrote: >Bruce, > > I just tried Teledisk again with the SAME results. This time I used two >known good Kaypro 2 disks. Teledisk copied them to files with no >complaints. TDChck said that the files were OK. However each file was only >281 bytes in size. When I tried to make disks from the files it said that >the data had a CRC error. <snip>

24 years, 2 months

New Toys - Kaypro II & 2

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

I went scrounging last week with one of my buddies and we found some new toys. A Kaypro 2 and a Kaypro II along with a good size pile of Kaypro software. Both of the Kaypros are in mint condition. I kept the 2 and Bob kept the II. Upon checking the 2, I found that it has the Micro Cornicopia Pro-8 ROM. I'm not sure what all it does but it will support up to four 80 track drives in the Kaypro. Now if I can just find that stash of HH 80 track floppy drives! More checking revealed that it also has the 5 MHz Z-80B speedup from Micro C and the Micro C enhanced version of CPM 2.2 (CPM 2.2E). It also has the 88-CoPower card with the 128k daughter board that lets you run MS_DOS on the Kaypro. All in all, a very nice find! Does anyone have the docs on these upgrades? Does anyone have the MS-DOS that runs on the 88-CoPower card? Joe

24 years, 2 months

RCA Cosmac cdp1802

by Demon02554＠aol.com

does anyone know where i could purchase an RCA Cosmac CDP1802 microprocessor? i've looked for one on ebay and at random antique places.... if anyone could help i would appreciate it

24 years, 2 months

Teledisk not working

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

At 10:10 04-04-2001 -0500, you wrote: >Bruce, > > I just tried Teledisk again with the SAME results. This time I used two >known good Kaypro 2 disks. Teledisk copied them to files with no >complaints. TDChck said that the files were OK. However each file was only >281 bytes in size. When I tried to make disks from the files it said that >the data had a CRC error. Since they're so small I'm attaching the files to >this message. You can look at them and see what you think. <snip> Joe, and other Teledisk group buy participants, I've got some bad news. It appears that, within the last year or two, Sydex has completely sold off the rights to Teledisk, and the product itself, to a company called Forensics International. FI's web page clearly states that they will sell only to law enforcement agencies and Fortune-1000 companies that can show a need for the software. I've written FI a note giving our group license info, and asking if they picked up tech support responsibility for existing customers when they bought TD. I would certainly think they would have! However, I think we also need to be prepared for the worst (read: no more support.) I will also drop a note to Sydex, but I don't hold out much hope at this point. Joe, I'll see if I can do anything with the files you sent. Stay tuned... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 (Extra class as of June-2K) "I'll get a life when someone demonstrates to me that it would be superior to what I have now..." (Gym Z. Quirk, aka Taki Kogoma).

24 years, 2 months

HP 3388 Integrator?

by jss＠ou.edu

Yesterday, while prowling through the University of Oklahoma surplus shop, I found a HP 3388 Integrator. It looked vaguely computerish, with ports for a terminal and tape, and a power switch with a label like "memory contents zeroed when set to off". The only relevant thing returned by a quick Google search for "hp 3388 integrator" is this page: http://www.alphaomegatech.com/datahint.htm Have I found anything interesting (for the $10 it costs)? -- Jeffrey S. Sharp jss(a)ou.edu

24 years, 2 months

Getting stuff _back_ from standalone backup

by cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com

Argh, Ok, this is perhaps a dumb question, and I need to go find my VMS system managers manual, (no doubt it will be at the _bottom_ of my pile of VMS docs). When I have a tape that I created with SYS$UPDATE:STABACKIT.COM and I want to restore that tape on to a disk, what do I type to it? I tried this: BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY MIA2: DIA0: but it complained that it couldn't open [SYSEXE]. on DIA0 (which makes sense since DIA0 doesn't have anything on it yet!) --Chuck

24 years, 2 months

uses for 386sx/NBI OASYS 8

by dasqua＠yahoo.com

I have a few 386sx boxes configured in various ways: - DOS/linux based test environment for developmental ISA cards - windows - print server for two printers serving around 10 computers of various kinds (win nt, 98, linux) - linux - data concentrator for a network of controllers (provides ethernet gateway for a large number of C64s used for controlling greenhouses) A large number of others perform other tasks, often in 1MB RAM with no real video or keyboard. most of them talk via ethernet or serial to ethernet (PPP). some are windows based, others DOS, others linux. As for booting win95 on 386sx it takes awhile, but 10mins is exaggerating. oddly, some tasks are the same speed as on pentium, but you can almost see it drawing the graphics. given I have crippled it with not even a 1MB card I'm not surprised. (256K I think). After patching the windows box it has now stayed online for approximately four years, with downtime for maintenance, upgrade of memory, and installation of printer drivers/redirectors. The patch is needed since the old version of 9x has a timer overflow which crashes it after a certain number of days of uptime. go figure. ..... Anyone have information on the NBI OASYS 8 system? It was a wordprocessing system made in the 80s (late 70s?). It all works fine, and has a 10MB harddisk (SCSI I think), system unit, and two terminals. My basic question is: how do I talk to the terminals? when they boot up they instantly contact the system unit. this is fine, except I want to use the terminals for something else... they are mostly motorola gear: 6809 cpu, sram, io, video etc. I think the networking used is ethernet... the terminals connect via a coax at least (but this is only a guess) I also have two daisy wheel printers. These have print server boxes on the back which put them on the network. the system uses basically 6809 CPUs in various flavours, although the harddisk has a relative of the 8086 onboard. any thoughts? Unlike the rest of my old computers this one is staying in the original number of pieces from the factory! Darrell _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

24 years, 2 months

Historical Research project

by office＠jortberg.com

Hello: I am looking for the following items as well as their manuals dating back to the mid 1980's. I am willing to pay fair market value as well as all shipping charges. Please email me if you have any of these items or any leads as to where I may obtain them. Thanks. 1. GammaFax Board 2. IBM Scanmaster 3. TITN, Inc. "TWICE X.25" software 4. Xerox "Netmaster" software 5. Wang PIC Cindy Taubert Jortberg Associates

24 years, 2 months

UPDATE (was: Re: VAX 6000-400 series and NetBSD, I have machines)

by geoffrob＠stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gunther Schadow" <gunther(a)aurora.regenstrief.org> To: <port-vax(a)netbsd.org> Cc: "Lord Isildur" <mrfusion(a)umbar.vaxpower.org>; "Brian Chase" <bdc(a)world.std.com>; "J. Buck Caldwell" <buckaroo(a)igps.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:19 AM Subject: UPDATE (was: Re: VAX 6000-400 series and NetBSD, I have machines) > O.K. I now have the inventory of the VAXen. You can see the listing at > > http://aurora.regenstrief.org/VAX.html > > It's quite extensive. These are indeed four 6420 cabinets, though > basically 4 times an identical parts list, and no disk support at all. Typical Cluster setup. Pity you didn't get the HSC and other bits too. I'd give you one, but it's a little far to ship it. > One has a bad power unit. I will use that one as a resource for spare > parts. Unless anyone wants to repair the power unit, that will go to the > junk yard. Which PSU is crook? The mains input box, the 300V supply or one of the LV supplies? > One of the other machine's cabinets lacks a back door, so > I will even use the door from the machine with the broken power unit. > I'll save all boards, cables, and screws that I can get off easily. These are like a meccano set, everything unbolts pretty well, but you will wind up with a mountain of screws and washers. They suffer from what we used to call in the domestic electronics servicing industry 'cousin effect' - the designer had a cousin who owned a screw factory. :^) Someone once mentioned that a friend was attempting to build up one of these minus the cabinet, ie just the cages and psu's, it would be a little tricky, but probably possible, and it would make it a lot more compact. LV and HV PSU's may fail occasionally, and the TK70's are painful at times, everything else in there is ultra reliable. > The two machines I will give away will have 2 CPUs each and 256 MB RAM. Nice. > I will hold on to the spare parts in order to trade them for other > interfaces if necessary. We should get one SDI and one DSSI interface > at least, if not an SCSI interface. That would be good, the SDI would probably be the easiest to find, though not necessarily the easiest to support, with the XMI-BI stuff in the middle. <SNIP> > Matthew Hudson offered to donate SDI disk drives and perhaps a DSSI > interface card. The SDI drives are heavy (64 kg, according to Geoff.) If they are RA8x's, yes, big, awkward, heavy suckers, I can barely carry one on my own. RA9x's are around 30kg, weighty but tolerable, quite reliable and 1/3 the power/noise of the RA8x's. The RA8x's are power hungry and unreliable (the spindle bearings tend to pack up - the platters are 1/2 metre across and are belt driven!) not to mention very noisy. I have several, but do not use them anymore. RA7x's are house brick size/weight, with usual 5v/12v power, but you need at least the SA70 and the right SDI cabling (The cabling is the same for any SDI drive.) Trickier than it sounds, since you can't connect the black SDI's leads directly to the SA70 RA9x, RA8x, you need the cable and socket affair that is on the rack cabinet. You should be able to find some without too much trouble, if the RA8x's are in cabinets, the same cable loom will work with the SA70 enclosures or RA9x drives. 81's are 480mb, 82's are 620mb. 90's are 1Gb 91's 1.2Gb. 70's are 250mb, 71's 750mb, 72's 1Gb, 73's 1.2Gb (I think). You would just about fit one Ra8x in the bottom of a 6k, maybe, 2 RA9x's fit comfortably, and an SA70 is virtually the same dimensions as a single RA9x drive, so in theory you could fit 8 x RA7x's in their SA70s' in the bottom of a 6K, but you would need 2 KDB50s to support them. > Brian, you're organizing the truck for shipment to Bloomington? I'd > be most grateful if that truck would also bring my machine home in > Indy. We may need about 3 to 4 more hands. Ideal number for manual handling of 6k's is about six, and if the truck bed isn't too high, you can stick a thin mattress under them, lay them on their side on it, and slide them off onto a hard surface, then wheel >from there, if the floor is smooth enough. A forklift is much easier though. ;^) Done it both ways. > If need be I'm willing to > accompany you to Bloomington to help with carrying the stuff you take. > Make sure you get a heavy cart and lots of strong and long straps. There > are carts that have a strap so you can get a tight hold of a > refrigerator or laundromat. > This works fairly well, but ask them what > the maximum load is, these boxes are about 300 kg (according to Geoff) > though mine may be lighter 'cause there are no disks or power backup > unit inside. The 318kg is bare machine weight, and does not include disks (which are not mounted internally in 6ks - my setup is nonstandard) or optional extras like the Battery backup pack, (do any of these have one??) which weighs about 40kg or so, (mostly the SLAC batteries). If you intend to do the 3phase-single phase conversion, you can save around 30kg by removing that bloody great autotransformer between the mains input box and the 300V supply. It's surplus to the conversion. Every little bit helps when you are moving something this heavy.

24 years, 2 months

vaxstation 4000/vlb

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Anything I should know about my new vaxstation 4000/vlb that I picked up on ebay for 47 bucks plus shipping? My intent is to replace my somewhat dead 3100 with it. (I sort of got the replacement memory board installed *backwards * and things went downhill from there. It's probably not really dead, but 8 megs of RAM just isn't enough.) I intend to run the thing headless, btw. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BeOS Powered! -----------------------------------------------------------------------

24 years, 2 months

Need help identifying HP part

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Apr 3, 12:29, Dan Veeneman wrote: > At the bottom of the > box was a Hewlett-Packard IC labeled 1820-0076. It's a > 16-pin DIP plastic package with the following stamps: > > 7476N 7751 > SA 1820-0076 > Any ideas what device and purpose this IC might be for? Just a dual J-K flip-flop made around Christmas 1977 (a 7476 is a standard 16-pin DIP TTL JK F/F, and date code 7751 would be week 51, 1977). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager Dept. of Computer Science University of York

24 years, 2 months

Pro380 LEDs

by dittman＠dittman.net

Does anyone have a list of what LEDs 1-4 are on the back of a Pro380? -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net

24 years, 2 months

Digital Board ID request please

by hsappleton＠sprintmail.com

Board has 3 notches. on back it says "DEC DMV11 Microprogram Control". It also has the following numbers: M8053 on one of the top fingers. Also CS*ABCDEFHJKLMNPRS also DDCMP ADDR BOOT enable. Can anyone tell me what this is and what it does? Headley

24 years, 2 months

IBM 3380 drive pictures

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Hmm, maybe I should take pix of the assembled drive unit? They are no smaller than 1.26GB each, since the smallest 3380 model was a 2.52GB total unit.. I have no difficulty believing the age of the drives, they're fast as hell and store a huge amount of data, my 3380 is an AE4, which makes it a 5.04GB unit. Average seek time of 17ms or less, depending on the model, and data rate of at least 3MB/sec. Average latency of 8.3ms _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

24 years, 2 months

Need help identifying HP part

by dan＠ekoan.com

Hello, At the Baltimore hamfest last weekend I picked up several 9825 HP-IB interface cables in a box. At the bottom of the box was a Hewlett-Packard IC labeled 1820-0076. It's a 16-pin DIP plastic package with the following stamps: 7476N 7751 SA 1820-0076 The chip looks to be in good shape and is in anti-static foam inside a plastic box. Any ideas what device and purpose this IC might be for? Another mystery device in the box was a 98028A "Resource Management Multiplexer" that has four DB-15 female connectors and what looks to be a 50-pin harmonica-style connector at the end of a short cable. Cheers, Dan PS At the 'fest I also picked up an HP 9915B (with option 002) along with a 98155A keyboard and three interface cables (two serial and one HP-IB) as well as an HP 82905B printer. I also bought three TI-99/4As and two expansion chassis for them (one new in box and the other populated with floppy disk drives and additional memory).

24 years, 2 months

Just getting started with a MicroVax 3400

by mtapley＠swri.edu

>>Question: I thought that the hobbyist program had been >>slowed to a ... standstill >> John A. > >...I'm thinking the problem people are having is getting their Encompass >(DECUS) memberships.... > Zane More or less true for me. I have hit the "Register" website twice, first time in February. I must exist there, I got the March "Quadwords" (hardcopy) newsletter, but no response email and no membership number so far. No real problem, since no time to fool with the Hobbyist VAX at the moment, but if I were in a hurry I'd be a little frustrated. But if I were in a hurry I'd probably have called or emailed someone about it, which may work better. - Mark

24 years, 2 months

Macintosh Network Games

by catman＠dia.net

Hi, cafe.ambrosiasw.com used to have Mac network games. It is no longer available. The link suggests http://www.macledge.com/netgames/netgames/ but that site says "opening again shortly." Hmmm. Is that a long shortly or a short shortly? Yuh can't lurk forever... Greetings to Paul Braun! Steve C. Williston, ND

24 years, 2 months

IBM 3380 drive pictures

by ip500＠home.com

In case anyone wants to take a look ... I shot a couple of quick pictures of these huge IBM disk drives and stuck them: http://members.home.net/ip500/ibmdiscfront.JPG http://members.home.net/ip500/ibmdisccu.JPG http://members.home.net/ip500/ibmdiscback.JPG No good reference for scale, but they are about 4' long X 2' dia and weigh approx 140 pounds [that's not including the motor & belt drive visable in picture 1]. These were mounted as pictured [upright], 2 to a cabinet, the motors were mounted above the drives and ran a 1.5" width belt down to the drive pulley. I can hardly beliefe these are circa 1985! Cheers, Craig

24 years, 2 months

NEC APC TU001 Memory boards

by amichael＠nortelnetworks.com

Charlie, I have the small tape reader that attaches to the side of the Model 33. Unused, in the box, yours for the asking (although a swap for something useful is always nice). Contact me off-list. Arlen Michaels amichael(a)nortelnetworks.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles E. Fox [SMTP:foxvideo@wincom.net] > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 11:53 AM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: NEC APC TU001 Memory boards > > > > We are trying to get an APC operational, and would like to ask if > > anyone has a couple of the optional memory expansion boards that they > would > part with for a reasonable price? > Also, does anyone know where I could track down a tape punch and > reader for a Model 33 Teletype? > Thanks > Charlie Fox > Chas E. Fox Video Productions > 793 Argyle Rd. Windsor ON N8Y 3J8 > foxvideo(a)wincom.net > Check out: > Camcorder Kindergarten at http://chasfoxvideo.com >

24 years, 2 months

HP 9845s? (And an original IBM PC.)

by RebelTerry＠home.net

> How did you come to write games for the 9845 anyway? Did you sell them? > It's not exactly the most popular game platform. Well, this friend and I worked at NASA JSC. We were shuttle flight controllers in the early STS days, including STS-1. (You should see my collection of stuff from the first shuttle flight!) In our off hours, we played with the 9845, writing games: lunar landing simulator (which I did rewrite into C++ and still play), submarine search and destroy (which I rewrote and was published by Broderbund Software as "Search and Destroy", car race, solitaire, blackjack, Star Trek, GREAT baseball and 1-on-1 basketball games, and several others. FAR better than anything on the market in the early 80s. (Of course, that's the advantage of having a $70,000 machine at your disposal!) Never sold them. I left NASA in '82 (to come to Boeing) and interviewed an HP rep from Corvallis, showed her all the great stuff. Her response: "Outstanding! How about coming to work for us and writing aero engineer software for wind tunnel testing and such?" No thanks. > And do you have any other fun toys in your collection? I'm being nosy since > we're both in Seattle. Actually, I do have an *original* IBM PC. March 82, 48k motherboard (not the later 64k), SINGLE side 160K floppy, Amdek color monitor. And some games I wrote for that. I'm heartbroken that I threw out my original DOS 1.0 disks/book back in about '84, when DOS 2.1 came out. (I do still have all the 2.1 disks & books.) So, if anyone knows where I could beg, borrow, or steal a DOS 1.0... ;-} BTW, my wife's uncle still has his original IBM PC Jr, complete with chicklet keyboard. Gonna half to try to scam him out of that. > BtW, whenever I try to mail to RebelTerry(a)home.net, I get a message saying > "Relaying denied". I have to use tlb55(a)home.net instead. No idea what's going on there. Relaying bumps usually happen when the sender tries going through the wrong SMTP server. Don't know why the other would work. > P.S. If the BASIC listing uses keywords in optional ROMs, and the working > machine doesn't have those ROMs, what happens when you try to print out the > listing? Good question.... Thanks. RT

24 years, 2 months

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