At last memory there was the OS/278 (OS/8 for decmates) on I think it was
uu.se. There was cp/m-80 for it and of course WPS which if you had all
the
optional software for it included a list processor, spreadsheet, and I
forget the other applications.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Saturday, April 14, 2001 1:36 PM
Subject: DECmate II stuff
> Since we have so many DEC enthusiasts on this list, I was
>wondering if anyone had any of the OS's for the DECmate II on RX50
>disks? I have WPS and the APU board with CP/M but would like to get
>some of the other OS variants for the machine. Other than the APU
>option, it also has both the hard disk and color graphics option
>boards. Was there ever much of anything that took advantage of the
>color graphics board?
>
> Thanks
> Jeff
>--
> Collector of Classic Microcomputers and Video Game Systems:
> Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
> http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
>
Very impressive level of completeness, here. Bravo!
-Dave
On April 12, Musicman38 wrote:
> Here's a partial list of my collection.
> I have many more just not cataloged yet..
> My Favorite is the Original Commodore Pet 8K,
> and Original Osborne 01 Tan case..
> All my computers are working with the exception of 2 or 3..
> Phil...
>
> Apple 2C Mint Monitor, Prtr,Manuals
> Apple 2GS Mint Prtr,Monitor,Drive
> Apple II Mint Assorted cards
> Apple IIe Mint 80 col card
> Apple IIe Mint DuoDisk,SCSI,Manuals
> Apple Iie Platinum good Asst Cards
> Apple II-plus dead Assorted Cards
> Atari XE Mint Kybrd, lots games
> Atari 400 Mint Many Extras + Carts
> Columbia XT Portable Mint 10 Meg Hard Drive
> Columbia XT Portable Dead Dual Floppy drives
> Columbia XT Portable Good Dual Floppy
> Columbia XT Portable Good 20 Mag HD
> Corona Portable XT VGood Dual Floppy
> Commodore 128 Mint Mint, Floppy, Printer
> Commodore 128 Good Missing 2 keys works
> Commodore 128 Ukwn Not Tested
> Commodore 16 Mint Box,Cassette,Manuals
> Commodore 16 Mint Box, Manuals
> Commodore 64 mint Box,Manuals
> Commodore 64 Mint Box,Manuals
> Commodore 64SX Exec Mint Runs great
> Commodore 64SX Dead Very Clean
> Commodore 8032 vgood 32K Ram
> Commodore Amiga 500 Mint Stock
> Commodore C128D Mint W/Kybd
> Commodore C128D Dead W/Kybd
> Commodore Pet Good
> Commodore Plus/4 Mint Box, Manuals
> Commodore Plus/4 Vgood Box, Manuals
> Commodore Plus/4 Mint In Box w/Manual
> Commodore Vic-20 M1 Mint Box, Manuals
> Commodore Vic-20 M2 Mint Box, Manuals
> Compaq Portable XT mint Dual Floppy
> Compaq Portable XT Mint Dual Floppy
> Compaq Portable XT Good 10 MB Hard Drive
> Compaq Portable XT Plus Dead 10 MB Hard Drive
> Compaq Portable II 286 Mint 20 MB Hard Drive
> Compaq Portable II 286 Mint 20 MB HD & Modem
> Franklin Ace 1200 Mint Dual Drive, Manuals
> IBM PC-Junior Mint Monitor, Expanded
> IBM PC-Junior Mint Monitor
> IBM PC-Junior Ukwn
> IBM PC-Junior Ukwn
> IBM Portable XT 5155 VGood Hard Drive, Floppy
> IBM PC-XT VGood Dual Floppy,10MB HD
> IBM PC-XT Mint Color,HD,20MB
> Kaypro 1 Vgood Works Perfectly
> Kaypro 1 Vgood Manuals Software
> Kaypro 10 Good Bad Hard Drive
> Kaypro 10 Vgood Works Fine
> Kaypro 10 Mint Perfect all Books/Sftwre
> Kaypro 16 Vgood Work Fine
> Kaypro 16-F Mint Dual Floppy - Rare
> Kaypro 2 Vgood Manuals, SOftware
> Kaypro 2X Good Mint CP/M & Manuals
> Kaypro 4-84 Mint Carrying Case
> Kaypro II Mint Manuals, Carry Case
> Kaypro II Good Works OK
> Laser 128 Vgood Manual
> Mattel Aquarius Mint Manuals, Cassette
> Mattel Aquarius Good Manuals
> Mattel Aquarius Mint Boxed w/All Periferals
> Osborne 01-A Mint White Screen
> Osborne 01-A Mint Green screen
> Osborne 01-A Dead Tech Manuals
> Osborne 01 Vgood Complete w/Manuals
> Osborne Executive Mint Manuals, Software
> Osborne Executive Poor Manuals, Software
> Radio Shack CoCo 1 Good 4K,Gray,Chicklet keys
> Radio Shack CoCo 1 Mint 16K, Manuals
> Radio Shack CoCo 1 Good 16K Ram
> Radio Shack CoCo 2 Mint 32K Ram, manuals
> Radio Shack CoCo 2 Good 32K Ram
> Radio Shack CoCo 2 Mint 64K Ram, Newer Kybd
> Radio Shack CoCo 3 Mint 64K RAM
> Radio Shack MC-10 Mint Box, Manuals,PS
> Radio Shack MC-10 Mint PS
> Radio Shack Model 1 Dead
> Radio Shack Model 1 Mint Level II Basic 16K RAM
> Radio Shack Model 100 Vgood Manual
> Radio Shack Model 102 Vgood
> Radio Shack Model 4 Good
> Radio Shack Model 4P Mint Manuals, Software
> Radio Shack Model 4P Good
> Tandy 1200FD Vgood
> Texas Instruments 99/4A Mint Silver/Blk
> Texas Instruments 99/4A Mint Beige/Tan
> Texas Instruments 99/4A Mint Mint in Box, Manual
> Texas Instruments TI99 Mint Silver/Blk
> Texas Instruments TI99 Mint Box,Manuals Beige
> Texas Instruments TI99/4A Good Beige/Tan
> TI-Expansion good Expansion Box Loaded
> TI-Expansion & Manuals Mint Manuals, Everything Loaded
> Timex 1000 poor Works
> Zenith Z170 Mint Manual, Very Clean
> Mac SE/30 Mint Clean, HD, SCSI
> Mac Plus Vgood Clean
> Mac Plus Vgood Clean
> Mac II LC Vgood Kybds
> Mac SE Vgood Clean
> Mac Laptop Bad Clean
> Mac 512 Vgood Clean
> Mac Classic II Mint Clean, SCSI HD
>
On Apr 10, 19:13, THETechnoid(a)home.com wrote:
> I'd like to see some of your lists.
I may as well join in. Not all of my collection is accessible, some of it
is on the "fix, one day" list, and it's in no particular order, but here
goes:
BBC Microcomputer Model B (1 working, 1 not quite, parts for 1-2 more)
BBC Microcomputer Model B Plus x 3/4 (needs serious work)
Torch Z80 Card x 2
Acorn 6502 2nd Processor
Acorn Z80 2nd Processor
Acorn Electron
Acorn Atom
Archimedes 310
Archimedes 440
Acorn R260
Acorn R260 with non-Acorn SCSI (so basically an A540)
Apple ][+
Apple //e
Apple Mac Plus x 2 (one has a hard drive)
Apple Mac IIvx
Sharp MZ80K
Atari MegaST
Exidy Sorcerer
Dragon 32
Nascom 2
Commodore PET 2001-8K
Commodore 128 (US version)
Commodore VIC-20
Amiga 500 (incomplete)
homebrew Z8 SBC
Sinclair ZX81
Sinclair Spectrum
Sinclair Spectrum +
Sinclair QL x 2
Sparcstation 1+
Sparc Classic
SGI Indigo R3000, "song and dance machine" graphics
SGI Indigo R3000, XZ graphics
SGI Indigo R3000, Elan graphics
Silicon Graphics Indy R4600SC
Silicon Graphics Indy R4600SC
NeXTstation
XT-compatible
AT-compatible
386SX-16
486DX-66
486DX4-100
PDP-11/03 x 2 }
PDP-11/23 x 2 } but only 2 x BA11 to run them in
PDP-11/73 x 2 }
PDP-11/34
PDP-11/24 (boards only, no backplane/panel/box)
microPDP-11/83
microVax I
Vaxstation 3100
WP78 (PDP-8)
Sage II
Cambridge Z88
Psion Organiser
Microwriter AgendA
At any given time, between 12 and 18 of these are on the network, which is
mostly 10baseT with some 10base2 and 10base5, and to which I'm about to add
some FDDI. Also on the net are:
HP 1600CM network printer
Star laserprinter
GatorBox CS
a couple of printer server boxes
three managed hubs
assorted other network devices
and lurking in odd places:
too many monitors
uncertain number of printers
probably half a dozen assorted terminals
far too many assorted PCBs
uncounted keyboards of odd types
uncountable disk drives
various Zilog boards looking for a backplane
260 drawers of components
What I'm lookng for:
1) anything free :-)
2) 1/4 of the Origin 2000 from work ;-)
3) more space
4) more time
5) bottom half of a case for an Acorn Atom
6) fibre optic cables
7) QBus SCSI disk controller
8) TU56
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
>>
>> I've revisited the RS232 signal definitions and can't see one called
"busy". I
>
>Seriously, I guess such printers probably shouldn't be called 'RS232'
>because they most definitely use some of the hardware handshake lines in
>ways that the standard forbids. On the other hand, just about all
'RS232'
>devices do that now.
There are RS232 lines to arbitrate TX/RX data flow. Though the better
Serial
interfaced printers not only allowed for this they also used Xon/Xoff
serial
protocal for buffer management.
>I have just picked up the user manual for the DEC Letterprinter 210
>(basically an LA100 in a different box!). There is a table (page 25 in
my
>edition) that is headed :
I have one and it's one very nice printer still. It's used is mostly on
the
DEC and CP/M systems that didn't support parallel IO or as a connector
convenience on my part. All of those systems the driver supports the
Xon/Xoff flow control as it was very easy to do.
>
>'The printer supports the folloing RS232C interface signals
>
>Pin Source Name Function
>
>[...]
>
>11 Printer BUSY Restraint
>
>[...] '
>
>Now, I happen to know that is not part of the official RS232 spec, but
it
>certainly seems to be a de-facto standard...
It is but look at the EIA line there and its name and function.
Different
name is the problem. It was used for HALFduplex modems to arbitrate
flow.
The DEC parlance prefered the three wire signaling with signal common
and TXD and RXD using xon/xoff flow control. If the connection was
used with wider signals then DTR/CTS were added to signal mostly
that something was connected.
Allison
On April 14, John Foust wrote:
> At 12:06 PM 4/14/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >You and I both Sellam - this is like looking at stuff when we were in grade
> >school - like the fly that looked like a monster. Is this machine one the
> >large heavy ones I've seen in older books or have they brought the
> >electromicrograph machines to a reasonable size? I'd hate to even ask what
> >one surplus would set a person back.
>
> They'll be as easy to get as a PDP, I suspect. From reading the
> microscopy mailing list I mentioned a few messages ago, when these
> electron microscopes get to be 10-25 years old, people tend
> to give them away for the hauling.
I wouldn't say that's a universal thing. I personally know of about
30-40 perfectly functional, daily-use SEM installations, NONE of which
are less than 20 years old.
-Dave McGuire
On Apr 13, 16:42, Joel Ewy wrote:
> Pete Turnbull wrote:
> > Sage II
> Sage II -- I wonder if that's the same Sage that I'm aware of.
[...]
> It had an MC68000 and ran it's own proprietary operating system, as
> far as I can remember, and a Pascal P system. I remember that it used
> some kind of 80 track 5.25" floppy drives
I'm sure that's the same one. I didn't know about a proprietary OS, I've
only seen p-System on them, but I think you could get CP/M-68K. I met
someone who claimed to have CP/M-68K for a Sage but when pressed, he
couldn't find the Sage version.
> and there was this game on it called
> "Kings & Castles." It was just a little metal box with text terminals
> hooked up to it, I believe.
Yes, it has two (? I can't see it to check) RS232 ports for terminals, a
printer port, and an IEEE-488 port.
> Every now and then my friend and I talk
> about trying to get the thing to run again so we can play that game.
Probably not hard. It's a simple layout, it only uses standard ICs, and
it's easy to get into and get at the PCB.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com>
>Speaking of classic chips, I've got an 8080A and a TI 9918 I'd be
willing
>to trade for a DEC BCC08 cable (VAX 9 pin to female DB25 pin cable).
The cable you can make. 8080As are common enough I have a tube of them
as well as NEC8080, 8080AF and a few Intel White ceramic with date codes
in the 1975 region.
The 9918 however is a bit more scarce.
Allison
Welcome to TK50 terrorism. The only thing now is to rewind manually. I
typically use a battery drill with a Phillips bit. You will find a hole in
the center of the PCB directly under the cartridge that exposes a Phillips
screw. This is the cartridge drive spindle. On slow speed rewind it back
into the cart. with the drill.
What did you in are the sensors on the 2 tape rollers. If either of the
rollers stick in either direction the drive decides it does not know where
on the tape it is and shuts down. I use a marker on the top of the rollers
to determine which roller is causing the problem. Then just watch the marks
while loading a tape.
Don't feel bad - I have gone through over a dozen drives to get good ones
and the biggest cause failure are those roller bearings.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Ya know, I really dislike TK50 drives...
>At 04:26 PM 4/13/2001 -0700, Zane wrote:
>>Have you powercycled the system and told it to unload the tape? I've seen
>>this before, unfortuantly I don't remember what I did to fix it.
>
>Yup, this was one of my first things I tried. Then running it not connected
>to the TQK50. Neither will get it to rewind.
>
>--Chuck
>
From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com>
>Regarding the port-vax development of GPX and SPX support for VAX. I
don't
>believe it is lack of information, Bruce Lane sent Ragge the complete
>technical manual on the frame buffer, rather the problem was motivation.
>Ragge has lots of stuff to do and framebuffers are fairly low on the
list.
I'd forgotten that. Unfortunately many NetBSD users want a canned
functional
OS and cannot contribute. Ragge has done a lot fo the work and could
really use help.
Allison
On April 14, Russ Blakeman wrote:
> You and I both Sellam - this is like looking at stuff when we were in grade
> school - like the fly that looked like a monster. Is this machine one the
> large heavy ones I've seen in older books or have they brought the
> electromicrograph machines to a reasonable size? I'd hate to even ask what
> one surplus would set a person back.
They're all large and heavy. Because semiconductor and computer
technology shrinks constantly, there's a natural assumption that
everything else does too, and thus anything that's large is ancient.
There's really no way to shrink the vacuum valves, pumps, high-voltage
power supplies, and stuff like that...what does shrink is the control
electronics, but that's really all. Generally speaking, there have
been NO applicable significant advances in the major technologies that
make SEMs work in the past 30 years...electron beam generation,
acceleration, and steering, vacuum chamber control, phosphorescent
electron->photon conversion, and high-speed scintillation detection.
Until fairly recently, all new SEMs had huge panels of lights,
switches, and knobs. Nowadays manufacturers are shipping SEMs with a
power switch and a PeeCee running Windows that does everything between
crashes. The average scientist hasn't really embraced this approach,
so there's a huge business building around maintaining older-style
manual-control SEMs. My SEM does happen to be pretty old, but not too
old as SEMs go. It was made in 1981. I have been in contact with the
guy who had maintained it under a service contract at its previous
installation. He is a former employee of the company that
manufactured the unit. He runs a fairly tidy business maintaining
only this make and model of SEM within driving distance (he's north of
me in Southern PA), he maintains fifty or sixty of them...indicating
that a significant number of these 20-year-old instruments are still
in service.
For your SEM hunting information, count on about a ten-to-one age
ratio compared to computer hardware...a 20-year-old SEM would be
approximately comparable to a 2-year-old computer.
> Maybe Dave can get a photo of his stuff in place and put it in the image
> library as well for use to take a look at.
I did that yesterday. Have a look at http://www.neurotica.com/sem.
-Dave McGuire
On April 13, Eric Chomko wrote:
> Interesting regarding chips and SBCs. Who collects them, other than
>Allison?
I collect SBCs, eval boards, and trainers. I find that, if
operable, they're a wonderful way to learn the architecture of a given
microprocessor, and an excellent way to compare architectural features
and shortcomings.
-Dave McGuire
>Is there anyone here with experience working on a PDP-11/24 in a BA11-A
>box?? I am trying to more mine from a broken BA11-L to a working BA11-A
>and I need some help with where one of the cables from the control panel
>goes.
>
>Anyone??
>
>bill
One goes to the CPU backplane and the other goes to the power supply. The
power supply connector is kind of hidden. You will need to slide the supply
out about 1.5 inches in order to see it.
I hope you are using a BA11-A that has the H7140-AA (IIRC) in it. IIRC the
H7140-CA is only for expansion chassis. IIRC the -CA has only +5 and
+/-15v. The -AA has +5, -5, +/-12v, +/- 15
Also be careful using backplanes from expansion boxes in the CPU box of the
11/24. They often have some jumpers on the supply lines ( soldered where
the supply wires meet the backplane) that short the 2 sets of +/- supplies.
A while back I scanned some stuff that may help you. Poke around
ftp://zane.brouhaha.com
I am sorry but most of the originals have been destroyed by a fire 2 months
ago. Not to mention a LOT of PDP11 equipment at the same time.
Dan
On 2001-04-14 classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org said to kees.stravers(a)iae.nl
8< snip >8
>I am also looking for the pinout of the TK50 connector if anyone
>has it.
>-tony
TUK50 board J1 Connector signals and pin numbering
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Pin number Signal name Pin number Signal name
-----------------------------------------------------------------
J1-01 Ground J1-14 DR RD CLK L
J1-02 WRT Data H J1-15 DR RD CLK H
J1-03 WRT Data L J1-16 Ground
J1-04 Ground J1-17 Read Data L
J1-05 DR CMD H J1-18 Read Data H
J1-06 DR CMD L J1-19 Ground
J1-07 Ground J1-20 DR Status H
J1-08 WRT Gate H J1-21 DR Status L
J1-09 WRT Gate L J1-22 Ground
J1-10 Ground J1-23 DR WRT CLK H
J1-11 Erase L J1-24 DR WRT CLK L
J1-12 Erase H J1-25 Ground
J1-13 Ground J1-26 Ground
-----------------------------------------------------------------
BTW, I am looking for a TUK50 board if anyone has a spare.
My 11/84 won't read TK50 tapes. The drive is OK, and sending
commands direct to the CSR of the board does not provoke a
reaction, so I assume the board is broken.
Kees.
--
Kees Stravers - Geldrop, The Netherlands - kees.stravers(a)iae.nl
http://www.iae.nl/users/pb0aia/ My home page (old computers,music,photography)
http://www.vaxarchive.org/ Info on old DEC VAX computers
(Mirrors: http://vaxarchive.khubla.com/ and http://vaxarchive.sevensages.org/)
Net-Tamer V 1.08.1 - Registered
From: Fred deBros <fdebros(a)bellatlantic.net>
Does anybody here have the sourcefiles (or a source for them) that drive
the SPX and GPX framebuffers of vax 3100 or so vintage (the terminal
vt1300 seems to support them too) ?
Possibly in ASCII, as I can't read microfiches...
I'd like to try my hand at an 8bit xserver on netBSD/vax on these
machines.
No: port-vax(a)netbsd.org is not a source.
I dont believe they ever got it working or at best only tentatively. If
memeory serves
a lack of information about it was a problem.
Allison
Without conducting a detailed inventory:
TI:
TI 99/4 (1) Currently disassembled, as I received it.
TI 99/4A (I'd have to count them all) Enough to build 3 or 4 full
systems with loaded p-boxes. Much software, documentation, and
literature, including sekrit internal TI software specs, source code,
etc. 3rd party hardware and addons eg ramdisk, 128/512K cards, DSDD
controller, graphics tablet, barcode reader, p-code, etc. etc. etc.
Myarc 9640 Geneve (1) 512K TMS9995/V9938 SBC for TI p-box. Full system
includes Myarc HFDC MFM disk, floppy, QIC-02 controller. Multi-tasking
OS, 5-6x 4A speed, 4a hardware emulation. Licensed native-mode P-system
port specifically for this machine.
TI VPU200 (1) This is basically a "luggable" (49 lbs) TM990-100M micro
with a 5TI sequencer interface. Options for other TI PLC interfaces and
has CRU bus to interface to 990 and 960. Need software and docs.
TI 990/1 (1) Intelligent Terminal or Small Business Computer. Needs
FD800 or FD1000 disk subsystem and software. Have *ample* docs.
TI 990/10 (1) 13-slot chassis, TTL, mapping option. DS10 and DS50
drives on separate consoles. Need software, more docs, tape, drives need
*much* work. In 70"(?) 990/4 rack cabinet. Assorted extra boards,
cabling, leased-line modems (P202T mostly.)
TI 911 VDT's (3)
I'm hoping to get an Explorer real soon now, along with a lot more TI
stuff.
10-year-rule PC's:
Televideo 1605C (1) Disassembleed to install HD and repair keyboard
Runs DOS 5.0 just fine.
Compaq Deskpro 386s (1) I believe this may be one of, if not the
first, Compaq 386 desktop model.
KLH 195 (1) 286-12 AT clone with VGA graphics, 4Mb RAM.
Assorted Tandy 1000's (3)
Commodore Colt (1) bad mobo
Commodere PC (2) unknown working order
I have stacks of 386 and 486 machines, of course, which I mostly rob for
parts, or upgrade to socket 7, having plenty of Pentium mobos lying
around, but these are not classic yet, even if they are thoroughly
"obsolete".
Others:
Altos 8000 (1) HD model, have docs and schematics, some software.
Rums MP/M.
C64 (1) have a couple of C64 floppy drives and monitor, too, can't
remember the models.
Commodore/Diablo daisywheel for CBM 8032, I think, plus parts unit.
Apple IIc (1)
Had an Apple IIe but I just sold it to some kid for $10.
Apple Mac SE (1) flaky ps., w/ImageWriter, mice,3rd external 800k
floppy, no HD, much lit, all docs except oper. manual, no software.
Probably more that I'm forgetting.
Wanted: TI computers, peripherals, software, docs. Interested in all
kinds of stuff, but that's what I focus on.
--
Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
-- Pablo Picasso
Paul never tried to build or restore one.
-- jbdigriz
From: James B. DiGriz <jbdigriz(a)dragonsweb.org>
>
>A corporate budget backing you up would help.
Only a little. It was the chip level microprocessor and memory
marketing arm. Total number of people about 100.
Allison
I have a bit of down time, so I wanted to make archival copies of the
Commodore disks that I have. I have an old copy of X1541 which I was going
to use, but I wanted to take a quick survey and see what other methods list
members use?
Rich
Rich Cini
Collector of classic computers
Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project
Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/
/************************************************************/
Does anybody here have the sourcefiles (or a source for them) that drive the SPX and GPX framebuffers of vax 3100 or so vintage (the terminal vt1300 seems to support them too) ?
Possibly in ASCII, as I can't read microfiches...
I'd like to try my hand at an 8bit xserver on netBSD/vax on these machines.
No: port-vax(a)netbsd.org is not a source.
Fred
If there is enough interest I might make a trip from Kansas City to St.
Louis to visit some friends and pick up the load. I bet I could take my
wife's Ford Aerostar extended cab.
Mike
mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu
In a message dated 4/14/01 8:35:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
tony.eros(a)machm.org writes:
<< I'm in Delaware, so the neighborhood's not that much bigger!
-- Tony >>
hey hey
im in Northern Virginia....
Robert
Well in classic style I was restoring a MicroVAX II (and this one is a true
classic as its in the BA23 pedestal case and everything). It is still
missing a couple of bits (like the brackets that keep the BA23 in side the
plastic area of which it has only one, apparently its previous owner liked
being able to pull out and re-insert the BA23.) So it also has a TK50 and I
took it apart, blew out the dust checked it over, and even loaded a test
tape (had standalone backup on it) and booted it and removed it. Great, a
working TK50. So I put what alleges to be a Ultrix 2.2 install tape, and
boot that. It boots! Yippee, and then rewinds the tape (I've got no idea
how to install Ultrix and typing 'install.1' got me a screen that said "no
devices to install on" :-(. So I figure it should at least see the tape and
I look back at the TK50 and it thinks its unloaded (green light on, red
light off) I pull the handle up and the red light comes back on, cartridge
comes half way out. I know that the solenoid has re-engaged for some reason
so I push the cart back in and do the unload fan-dang-go (you know push the
putton in and out, per the manual, six times) whiz, whirr, whiz, whirr,
ka-chunk. Green light comes on. I pull the handle and the red light comes
on again. So shut everything off, pull the tape unit, remove the cover and
1/2 of the tape is still on the take-up reel!
So this is a new failure condition I've not yet met, and I'd really, really
like to keep this tape. So does _anyone_ know of a way to "force" the motor
under the cartridge to rewind? A test point would be great but even just
"put 12v across it here and here and off it goes" would be doable. I'm
willing to sacrifice the drive to save the tape but don't want to if I
don't need to.
Perhaps a signal pin on the conecctor? (I've yet to find a pinout for this
connector in my docs or a schematic of the M7546 (TQK50)).
Sigh,
--Chuck
I've received all the files from the guy who scanned 20,046
pages of the classic docs listed below, at 300 to 400 DPI,
as G4 TIFFs.
They fit on two CD-Rs, un-tarred in their own directories.
I'll send copies to anyone in the world for $8. This offer
expires May 30, 2001 but may be renewed.
Payment accepted in PayPal to 'jfoust(a)threedee.com', or
check, or postal MO, 6-pack of microbrew or 4 ounces of
good chocolate.
I'm at 235 South Main St., Jefferson, WI 53549 USA.
- John
www.threedee.com/jcm
6502
MOS 6502 datasheet
6502 Assembly Language Subroutines (Leventhal)
AMD
AMD 29000 Memory Design Handbook
Am29027 Arithmetic Accelerator
Am29C327 Floating Point Processor
Data General
C Language Reference Manual
GATE User's Manual
AOS/VS Internals Manual
AOS/VS Programmer's Manual, volume 1
AOS/VS System Calls Dictionary
CEO User's Manual
Eclipse 32-bit Principles of Operation
Eclipse 32-bit System Functional Characteristics
Fortran-77 Environment Manual
Fortran-77 Reference Manual
Fairchild
Clipper User's Manual
IDT
RISC System Programmer's Guide
R3000 Assembly Language Programmer's Guide
R3000 Hardware User Manuals
R3000 Language Programmer's Guide
High-speed CMOS databook
Motorola
68000 Family Reference
68020 User's Manual
68851 User's Manual
88100 User's Manual
88200 User's Manual
Linear Interface Integrated Circuits
NCR
53C90A/B Advanced SCSI Controller (2 different manuals)
53C94/5/6 databook
53CF94/96-2 Fast SCSI Controller
Disk Array Controller Firmware
Disk Array Controller Hardware
Disk Array Controller Software
Floppy Disk Controller (SCSI-to-FD)
National Semiconductor
NS32532 Datasheet
Series 32000 Programmer's Reference Manual
DP8490 Enhanced Asynchronous SCSI Interface
NS32CG16 Programmer's Reference Supplement
Graphics Handbook
Series 32000 Databook
DRAM Management databook
Embedded Controller Databook
Ohio Scientific
C4P User's Manual (2 different manuals)
65V Programmer's manual
Schematics for:
502 CPU board
505 CPU board
527 24K memory board
540 Video board
542 Polled Keyboard
Pinnacle Systems
2 User's manuals for their 68k machine (My P-system machine)
P-system manuals IV.12
Operating System Reference
Program Development Reference
Application Development Guide
Fortran 77 Reference
Assembler Reference
Weitek
WTL4167 Floating-Point Coprocessor datasheet
Most of these are from about 1988 to 1992, with the exception of the OSI
documentation, of course, which is from 1979.
On Apr 13, 11:12, Jerome Fine wrote:
> Also, I am not surprised, but no one seems to consider software as part
> of their collection. Is it because they are mostly copies that have been
> "acquired" or because software is not really considered collectable by
> most list participants?
> Does anyone on the list run RT-11 still other than Megan Gentry?
Yes, two of my systems run RT-11 (V4.00 and 5.01). One 11/73 normally runs
RSX-11M (4.2). The 11/83 runs BSD 2.11, and an 11/23 runs 7th Edition
UNIX. The Microvax runs VMS, or at least, that's what's on the disks and I
will figure out how to make it do things one day, honest. I also have
various versions of XXDP on 5.25" and 8" floppies, and an RL02 pack.
I'm not quite sure what I have for the VT78 as it's been in storage since I
got it and I can't find the disks right now. David Gesswein has been
helpful in pointing me to some software, and I expect I'll end up
installing something something liek OS/8 or OS/278.
The SGI machines mostly run IRIX 5.3 (one Indy has 6.5), and several of
them have applications software (like MediaMail, Netscape, Acrobat Reader,
..) which I use regularly. One of them is the local mail server and
fileserver, an also acts as a modem server for some home-grown viewdata
software; one manages the print queues. The one with the modem is likely
to have HylaFAX added to it (fax server software). Two of them are the
machines my wife and I use for most day-to-day stuff.
The other machines that get used regularly are an Acorn Archimedes A440,
used as a fax server and DTP machine, using ArcFax and Impression
Publisher, One R260 does a similar job at work, where it's used to print
CD-R labels -- Publisher again -- and also acts as a terminal emulator to
connect to serial ports on hubs and switches.
There's a boring PC that gets used to decode Word documents sometimes, if
the SGIs' can't read them, and occasionally to use Powerpoint, and
sometimes to run some network management software for fun.
The Exidy Sorcerer and one of the BBC Micros are sometimes used for games.
I have a pretty good collection for the Beeb, including classics like
Elite, and Revs; not much for the Sorcerer except Galaxians and Breakout.
Anybody got any Sorcerer software?
One of the Beebs is also used for programming EPROMs, assembling Z-80 code,
and general hackery.
I have quite a lot of software, I suppose (looking at all the disk boxes
around here) but a surprising amount of it is systems software rather than
applications -- most of the useful applications get run on Indys that
aren't yet classic by the 10-year rule. If you want a list of O.S's:
Paradox OS for a 68K machine (eg Sage II)
CP/M for the Amstrad and Acorn Z-80
CP/M-86 for an Apricot which I no longer have
CPN (CP/M-like OS) for the Torch
UCSD p-System for the Apple ][ , Sage II, BBC Micro, and 11/23
RT-11 V2.00, V4.00, and 5.01 for almost any of my -11s
RSX-11M 3.1 and 4.2 for the 11/23 and 11/73, and occasionally the 11/34
XXDP for any of the -11s
DOS 3.3 and PRoDOS for the Apple ][ and //e
RISC OS 2 for the Acorn Archimedes machines
RISC OS 3 for the Acorn Archimedes and R260 machines
Arthur (predecessor of RISC OS) for the Archimedes A310
RISC iX (BSD 4.3, ported) for the R260s
BSD 2.11 for the 11/83
7th Edition for the 11/23 (and for the 11/73 if I rebuild the kernel)
MOS 1.0 for the BBC Micros, plus a couple of modified versions, along with
lots of additonal ROM software
IRIX 5.3, 6.2, and 6.5 for various SGIs
Solaris 2.3 and 2.7 for the Sparcs
DOS 3.30 for the PC used to run 22-DISK etc
DOS 6.2 for other PCs
Windows 2.0, 3.0, 3.11, 95, and NT for PCs (English and German versions)
Mac OS 6.something for the Mac Pluses
Mac OS 7.something for the IIvx
There's obviously a lot more but that's what comes to mind because I use it
"every so often" rather than "once in a blue moon". For example, I have a
licensed copy of RT-EMT which is an RT-11 emulator for Unix (mine was
licensed to run under 7th Edition on the 11/23), but it's not something I
use every day or even every year. 20 years ago it was in regular use.
I also have some "classic" software, like Elite for the Beeb (I still have
over a dozen shrink-wrapped copies), lots more Acorn/BBC software,
HitchHiker's Guide to the Galaxy for DOS and CP/M-86, ADVENT for RSX and
RT-11, Star Trek for umpteen machines, Galaxians for the Sorcerer, Kermit
for almost everything I own that has a serial port (still extremely
useful), assorted Claris software for the Mac Plus, Impression Publisher
for the Arcs, Netscape (ie, version 1) and Mosaic for the SGIs, and
probably 101 other things I can't think of this late at night :-)
The point, I suppose, is that the hardware is more visible, while most of
the software I use daily isn't exactly part of the "classic" collection.
The software is at least as important, of course, as is the documentation;
it's just less tangible.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
I've been working with someone who has an old 8080-based single board
computer he's trying to get to work. We're investigating several
possible problems but it's starting to look like there's a problem with
the EPROM. I have the ROM code he needs and will be checking out the
EPROMS, but we may be faced with a need to reprogram one or both of
these. They're the old 256 byte 1702A Intel chips (ceramic). I've only
programmed the 27xx series but have read that the 1702's are "really
difficult" to program. Was wondering if folks in this group could
comment on how to proceed if/when we decide we need to reprogram one of
these. Are there more modern plug compatible alternatives? We may also
need to replace one or both - any sources known other than eBay?
thanks.
p.s. FYI, the computer here is the "MMD-1", an old 8080
trainer/breadboarding box. here's a picture i found on the web:
http://online.sfsu.edu/~hl/c.E&L-MMD1.html
- glenn
