test-drb March 2001

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by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

I'll catalog everything and figure out a fair distribution scheme as soon as I receive the package. Any thoughts from the group about the legality of copying the CDs? The 10.X stuff was available for free from HP as Y2K updates and I see install packages being sold on Ebay all the time. Thanks again Paul, Steve Robertson >From: "Paul Braun" <nerdware(a)laidbak.com> >Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org >Subject: HP-UX librarian has been chosen >Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 23:25:45 -0600 > >Hi, group. > >Steve Robertson has volunteered to be librarian. I'll be boxing the >discs up this weekend and shipping them out, and I'm assuming >he'll catalog 'em and post what he's got after he gets 'em (would be >kinda hard for him to do it *before* he gets them.....) > >Thanks again to everyone who volunteered to help. Hopefully, this >system will help the greatest number of you *nix-heads. > > > > > > >Paul Braun WD9GCO >Cygnus Productions >nerdware_nospam(a)laidbak.com > >"A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without a >bunch of bricks tied to its head." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

23 years, 9 months

Fw: "lusher file?"

by xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com

Commode-ore? Maybe its the flusher file then? Does the machine stall instead of crash? hehe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

23 years, 9 months

8080 Programs to be posted

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Hello, all: If anyone's interested, I've been working on producing compilable source for some printed 8080-based programs. I have to do some final proof reading, but I will post shortly to my Web site the source for Lawrence Livermore BASIC (from an early DDJ issue) and the Amsat-Golem monitor program (from an early BYTE magazine). Enjoy. Rich

23 years, 9 months

Rescue of Four Phase Systems mini-computer from Tampa (long)

by vcf＠siconic.com

The rescue of a very obscure 70s era mini-computer was accomplished last Thursday and Friday. It had been sitting in a storage shed on a forsaken piece of property in Tampa, Florida, for at least 15 years, quite possibly 20. Although it wasn't exposed to the elements, the humidity, termites and rats did a number on the machine. I was told of the machine by a man related to the person who used to own the property, but has been passed away now for several years. The property was tied up in probate, and he invited me to just come and take the machine whenever I wanted. The machine was made by Four Phase Systems, somewhere in the 1972-73 timeframe. Four Phase Systems was a company that ran out of Santa Clara, California, from the late-60s through the 80s. I believe they were eventually bought out by Motorola. One of the biggest technological achievements of Four Phase was in producing a sort of microprocessor before Intel, in the 1968-1969 timeframe. It was called the AL1 and was intended to be a general purpose CPU for mini-computer systems. I don't have many details on it yet but I'm awaiting more literature. I became aware of it from my research during VCF 2.0, when I was promoting the unveiling of Ray Holt's F14 CADC "microprocessor". I don't know if the AL1 has all the elements of a "microprocessor" as defined by the base standard, which is the Intel 4004. But one professor at North Carolina State University wrote a paper arguing that FPS could have called it a microprocessor, but chose not to. He's sending me a copy of the paper he wrote and I'll report further when I receive it. The rescue was not without its challenges. Louis and his wife met me at the airport and we drove over to the site. It was a dark storage shed cluttered with junk. We immediately set about pulling out the computer hardware. Luckily, it was all in racks on rollers, but we still had to roll it out onto dirt to get it onto the truck. The machines were filthy, having been infested with rat's nests. We didn't realize the extent of it until we got them to Louis' warehouse. Louis had made a couple prior visits to investigate the site and to round up various bits of documentation. Some of the manuals were almost complete destroyed by termites. They looked simply water damaged until you opened them up, where you would find that they were almost completely eaten out by termites (with still live termites running around inside). Fortunately, a lot of the documentation did survive in relatively good shape. We grabbed up all the docs worth saving and stuffed them into two big garbage bags. I'll have to sort through them (and hopefully not introduce a horrible strain of termites to the California environment :) Some of the manuals that survived included schematics of the various boards that comprise the system. We loaded everything up onto the truck within the limits of the sunlight we had. We then drove it over to Louis' warehouse. The next morning we palletized everything for shipping. We had a 5' tall 19" rack for the CPU, another for the tape drive, and then a 3' tall cabinet that housed a removeable platter hard drive. We also got a smaller Xerox 800 word processing machine. All the racks had a tremendous amount of shredded paper, Spanish moss, and other undesirable elements from the rat's nests. One nest even contained the remains of one of its previous inhabitants. Luckily, Louis' shop had an air compressor. We tried to blow everything out as thoroughly as possible. Here are the pictures of the machine: CPU card cage http://www.siconic.com/computers/Four%20Phase%20Systems%20CPU.jpg CPU Front Panel (front cover removed) http://www.siconic.com/computers/Four%20Phase%20Systems%20Front%20Panel.jpg CPU (left) and tape drive http://www.siconic.com/computers/Four%20Phase%20Systems%20Mini-Computer.jpg This picture shows the grime and yuck that was inside the hard drive unit. A lot of the mess was the decayed sound-dampening foam lining the inside: http://www.siconic.com/computers/Inside%20Four%20Phase%20Systems%20Hard%20D… This picture shows the rat's nest inside the Xerox 800 unit: http://www.siconic.com/computers/Xerox%20800%20Rat's%20Nest.jpg I didn't take any pictures of the terminals, but we saved four out of the 8 or 9 that were there. We also found an old Televideo all-in-one CP/M machine inside the house on the property. We put the CPU and tape drive on one pallet, and the hard drive on another. I left the Xerox 800 behind, for now. Louis is holding it for me until I can determine if it is significant enough to save. The reason I left it is because it is fairly rusted inside. I don't like to trash anything, but the circumstances being that it was very rusted and I didn't want to fill another pallet, I decided to leave it until I could research it further to determine if it is worth saving. It looks like it might be some predecessor of the Xerox 820 computer, as it has the same color scheme and badge. Or it may be related to the 8010 in some odd way. I'm not sure. But if someone has information on this machine I'd certainly appreciate you sharing it. It had a typewriter attached by a thick cable, and two digital cassette drives on the front. If anyone has any info on this machine then please let me know. If it ends up being worth saving, Louis will ship it out to me. If not, Louis will dumpster it. I shoved the rest of the terminals, keyboards and documentation inside the open space of the cabinets, first wrapping them in cardboard to give them some cushioning. Everything was very snug. We wrapped the machines in cardboard and then Louis banded them. Everything was tight. We had a guy from the business next door load everything onto the U-Haul we rented with a forklift. If we'd thought about it, we could have gotten by without the U-Haul, since we originally were going to use pallets that would not have fit inside Louis' pickup. But we ended up using very narrow pallets. Oh well. Something to keep in mind for next time. We drove the pallets out to Forward Air in Tampa for shipping. (http://www.forwardair.com). Forward Air is a favorite shipper amongst arcade game collectors (and myself) because it is so cheap. They charge USD$0.20/lbs from Tampa to San Francisco (rates vary depending on distance and other factors). The only drawback is that you must haul your pallets to and from their depots, which are located throughout the US (check their website for locations). But it's entirely worth it. The pallets weighed way more than we anticipated: 1,377 pounds total! I was thinking, based on the weight estimates I initially got, that it would cost me only around $120 to ship. It ended up being $294. Still, not bad for almost 3/4 of a ton. I will have more information about the machine once I retrieve it from Forward Air's depot in San Francisco either today or tomorrow. I'll have a chance to look over everything over the weekend. I'd like to profusely thank Louis Schulman and his wife for their help with this project. I certainly would have had extraordinary difficulty trying to do this whole thing without his help. While we're on the topic of Louis, I would just like to give a plug to his business, Island Wood Works. He makes fantastic outdoor wood furniture. This is real quality stuff. You folks in Florida (and just about anywhere for that matter...they've shipped furniture to places all over the country, including the San Diego Zoo) should definitely give Louis a call and buy some furniture from him. His number is 727/572.1119, or find him on the web at http://www.islandwoodworks.com. He's in Clearwater. Thanks, Louis!!! Lessons learned: I planned well in advance for this adventure. You all might remember me posting a message back in January asking for assistance on this project. I got a few responses (thanks, all), but Louis was right in the Tampa area, had a truck, the facilities to palletize everything, and a keen sense of adventure, so it worked out perfectly. I checked where everything was in advance (the nearest U-Haul location, the location of Forward Air, the hotel I'd be staying in, etc.) from MapQuest which helped me get an idea of the geography and how much driving/hauling would be involved. It was very, very helpful having Louis pre-field the site and try to determine how much everything weighed so I could estimate the shipping costs for my budget. This, it turns out, is more difficult to estimate than one might think. We thought each rack weighed only a couple hundred pounds but it turns out each must've weighed 400-500 each. U-Haul is always a fricken nightmare. Just trying to get them to answer the phone is a challenge. I've used them many times before, but I'm pretty well aware of what goes on inside U-Haul because they were a client of the last company I worked for, and I've visited their coporate HQ. The place is a mess. Still, it is the only game in town, and the best value (as long as the truck doesn't break down :) It cost $42 to rent a 10' truck, but only for the 4 hours they allowed us to keep it (their rentals are not "daily", but they still charge you the full 24 hour rate). Don't get me started on how much I hate U-Haul, but as I said, they are the only game in town unless you want to shell out a hundred bucks to use a truck for a day with a company like Ryder or something. Forward Air is a great company to use for shipping large loads of old computers. I used them before on a haul of Xerox 6085 "Daybreaks" from Raleigh, North Carolina, and that went well. Be aware that Forward Air does have a reputation for dropping things and damaging them. I hope my machine arrived OK, but I won't know until I go get it. I'll report on it once I do. Still, the value can't be beat. Always give yourself enough leeway in terms of time. Everything went as well for us as it could have, and so we actually finished quicker than I originally scheduled. I planned to leave on Saturday morning for Fort Lauderdale, but ended up taking off at 4pm on Friday instead. Retrieving the computers only took about 2 hours. Palletizing everything took about 4 hours. We did this leisurely. If we'd have rushed we probably could have done it all in 2 hours. This was a very fun project. Every serious big iron collector should do at least one long distance haul like this. Even you guys who only collect micros should try something like this once. It always makes for good stories to share with other collectors. :) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

23 years, 9 months

Websites listing Apollo's for sale

by wstan＠localhostnl.demon.nl

Can anyone recommend any websites that may list Apollo's that are for sale? I have tried eBay and don't see anything there. I even checked the eBay sites set up for each country (ie. Germany, France, etc.) Also, what is the most common model of Apollo that I am likely to find? Are there any companies or educational institutions still using Apollo's and running Domain? -Bill wstan(a)localhostnl.demon.nl

23 years, 9 months

HP-UX librarian has been chosen

by nerdware＠laidbak.com

Hi, group. Steve Robertson has volunteered to be librarian. I'll be boxing the discs up this weekend and shipping them out, and I'm assuming he'll catalog 'em and post what he's got after he gets 'em (would be kinda hard for him to do it *before* he gets them.....) Thanks again to everyone who volunteered to help. Hopefully, this system will help the greatest number of you *nix-heads. Paul Braun WD9GCO Cygnus Productions nerdware_nospam(a)laidbak.com "A computer without a Microsoft operating system is like a dog without a bunch of bricks tied to its head."

23 years, 9 months

VAX question

by vcf＠siconic.com

VAX g00r00s! This question was posed to me: Did VMS have a built in utility that allowed to 1) time how long a given user was logged in, and/or 2) track what directories on the VAX the user entered? Answers appreciated. Thanks! Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

23 years, 9 months

Pair of CSA Transputer Education Kits on E-Pay

by rmeenaks＠olf.com

Hi, Currently on auction is a pair of CSA Transputer Education Kits: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2005933703 Cheers, Ram

23 years, 9 months

Apple II CP/M card

by paul＠orchard.wccnet.org

For a good overview of Apple II CP/M, please see http://www.blkbox.com/~jdbaker/SmallSys/AppleCPM.html Paul R. Santa-Maria Monore, Michigan USA

23 years, 9 months

Subject: Re: Contents overview of Transputer Applications Noteboo k

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Ram the book my local library has is: Title : Parallel processing : the transputer and its applications / edited by M.E.C. Hull, D. Crookes, P.J. Sweeney. Publication : Wokingham, England ; Reading, Mass. : Addison-Wesley Pub. Co., c1994. Description : xii, 328 p. : ill. ; 24 cm. Series : International computer science series Note : Includes bibliographical references and index. Subject(s) : * > Author(s) : Hull, M. E. C.Crookes, Daniel, 1956-Sweeney, P. J. (Patrick J.) ISBN : 0201627558 Holdings : Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

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test-drb March 2001