December 2001 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

by Golemancd＠aol.com

thanks for the info i bought an apple 2c at a thrift for 99 cents no adapter. thinking about making one thanks for the info joee

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I've discovered a new pleasure.

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I've discovered a new simple pleasure. Sitting in my storage locker with > a space heater and my IBM Portable Personal Computer (thanks again, Jeff) > programming in BASIC in the middle of the night. Ahhh. *I* could enjoy programming in BASIC on an IBM Portable, too, if I was sitting in a storage unit filled with the kind of goodies you've got in *yours*, Sridhar! With all that iron, ya gotta throw a party sometime soon! -dq

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11/44 power problem... (Oh, not again...)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 9, Daniel A. Seagraves wrote: > [Is she cute?] > > I dunno. She's my sister. She's more of a pain in the ass than anything. ^_^ > http://www.lunar-tokyo.net/pictures/ she's in there somewheres. Hmm, yes, quite cute. You can tell her I said so. :) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Smoking around computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

That's funny! [Ctrl][D]... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] ! Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 2:55 PM ! To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' ! Subject: RE: Smoking around computers ! ! ! On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Dave McGuire wrote: ! ! > I'm going to uuencode a fart and email it to you! ! ! Don't bother: ! ! http://www.farts.com/ ! ! Sellam Ismail Vintage ! Computer Festival ! -------------------------------------------------------------- ! ---------------- ! International Man of Intrigue and Danger ! http://www.vintage.org !

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apple 11c power supply

by Golemancd＠aol.com

anyone know what the power supply amps are for the apple 11c i have the pin out and i know it is 15v but how many amps or ma joee

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Smoking around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, David Woyciesjes wrote: > ! > ! Dave McGuire wrote... > ! > ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the > ! > ! best friends I've ever had, so if letting her go where she > ! > ! wants means some extra filter cleaning for me, then so be it! > ! > > ! > Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P > ! > > ! > --- David A Woyciesjes > ! > ! Hey now.. Ophilia is cute - just ask her and she'll tell ya > ! herself! :-) > > Wait sec there buddy... Never said cats weren't cute (my lil' Isabelle is > the best!) I was just commenting on Dave M. being such a pushover for his > kitties... > :) Yeah, I admit it, she controls me... -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Smoking around computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > ! Dave McGuire wrote... ! > ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the ! > ! best friends I've ever had, so if letting her go where she ! > ! wants means some extra filter cleaning for me, then so be it! ! > ! > Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P ! > ! > --- David A Woyciesjes ! ! Hey now.. Ophilia is cute - just ask her and she'll tell ya ! herself! :-) Wait sec there buddy... Never said cats weren't cute (my lil' Isabelle is the best!) I was just commenting on Dave M. being such a pushover for his kitties... :) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Q: "purple"ish" Intel C80287-3 from '83 with gold legs/top

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

Ok while going through the mass of crap I've collected together and finally gotten losse from my storage trailer, I came across an Intel math coprocessor, with gold legs and cap on the "purplish" grey ceramic. On the pin 1 side you can see a thin gold plate (the chip itself I guess) in the index spot and on the opposite end it has a rectangle filled with epoxy. It also has a gold stripe from the center cap to the #1 pin index mark. Is this worth a crap or am I just disillusioned by the enormous amount that the 8080a went for on eBay a few weeks ago?

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Smoking around computers

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > I wouldn't want anybody smoking near my computers! I've been chain-smoking around computers of various sorts for 20 years, and I've never seen any evidence of smoke-related problems. I prefer that computers don't smoke around me, however ;>) OTOH, audio gear seems to be very susceptible to my smoke, and I have to clean all the switches and pots every three months or so. Glen 0/0

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Q: "purple"ish" Intel C80287-3 from '83 with gold legs/top

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 11, Russ Blakeman wrote: > Ok while going through the mass of crap I've collected together and finally > gotten losse from my storage trailer, I came across an Intel math > coprocessor, with gold legs and cap on the "purplish" grey ceramic. On the > pin 1 side you can see a thin gold plate (the chip itself I guess) in the > index spot and on the opposite end it has a rectangle filled with epoxy. It > also has a gold stripe from the center cap to the #1 pin index mark. > > Is this worth a crap or am I just disillusioned by the enormous amount that > the 8080a went for on eBay a few weeks ago? They're all over the place, man. Sorry. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Smoking around computers

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated Tue, 11 Dec 2001 2:17:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, David Woyciesjes <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> writes: > ! Hmm, I have a kitty who spends some time in the computer > ! room...there's one particular machine in there that moves a LOT of air > ! and needs its filters cleaned frequently, but aside from that I've had > ! no issues with kitty fur. > ! > ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the > ! best friends > ! I've ever had, so if letting her go where she wants means some extra > ! filter cleaning for me, then so be it! > > Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P > > --- David A Woyciesjes Hey now.. Ophilia is cute - just ask her and she'll tell ya herself! :-)

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by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! Hmm, I have a kitty who spends some time in the computer ! room...there's one particular machine in there that moves a LOT of air ! and needs its filters cleaned frequently, but aside from that I've had ! no issues with kitty fur. ! ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the ! best friends ! I've ever had, so if letting her go where she wants means some extra ! filter cleaning for me, then so be it! Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > > But, expect cat and dog hair. In particular, expect cat hair in ! > > keyboards; cats take to keyboards like taxi drivers take ! > > to beaded seat ! > > cushions! ! ! On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote: ! > My cats have always been more intent on distracting me than ! > playing with ! > the computer, or sleep on it. They'll walk on the keyboard ! > while I'm ! > using it, or walk in my line of the monitor, etc. ! > I think what happens with keyboards is that the cat hair ! > settles in it ! > from the air..... cat hair becomes air borne very easily. Since you ! > can't really wipe the hair off from in between the keys.... ! > like you can ! > wipe the hair from the desk, so it just builds up. ! ! I deal with all of the computers for the Berkeley East Bay Humane ! Society. The resident cats in the office all like to sleep ! on keyboards. ! ! I set them up with keyboard drawers whenever I can get them ! cheap, or they ! get donated (hint. HINT!) But training the office staff to shut the ! drawers when not in use isn't easy. Hmmm, spring-loaded drawers? Low-stregth springs, of course. ;-) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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testing

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> F...E...D...C...B...A...9...8...7...6...5?..4_..3_..2_..1?.. > > ? E 0040 0000.0045 > ? D 0050 0000.0005 > ? C 0080 0000.4001 > ?? 5 0001 0000.0002 > ?? 1 00C0 0000.7004 > > > b dka2 > > -DKA2 > > bootstrap ..... Deep Thought v31.45 > > And the ANSWER is ............................ > .............................................................. > .............................................................. > .............................................................. > .............................................................. > .............................................................. > .............................................................. > .............................................................. > .............................................................. > 42 ! Feynman lives!

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H89 docs/help requested

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> > The H89 is a little strange. It's really a serial terminal (almost the > same as a H19) and a Z80-based computer in the same box. Yes, they > communicate via an RS232 link between the terminal logic board and the > CPU board. A *little* strange? > So the problem could be in just about any area of the unit. Great! ;>) > I would start by ignoring the computer part for the moment and turning it > back into a terminal. Disconnect the 0.1" header jumper between the > terminal logic PCB and the CPU PCB. Connect one of the serial sockets on > the back (normally connected to the triple serial card plugged into the > CPU board) to the connector on the terminal logic PCB. And then short > pins 2 and 3 on this serial socket. [snip a lot more really expert advice] Tony, thanks a million. I'd really like to get this baby up and running, as it's the only machine I have which uses 5.25" hard-sectored floppies. I'm pretty sure I'll be able to identify the components you mention by eyeballing them (I have no docs) and am looking forward to doing this in the next week or so, but in the meantime, can you answer just one more question for me: How do I open this friggin' box!@!$#&! TIA, Glen 0/0

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testing

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > > > > KA410-A V1.2 ! > > > > F_..E...D...C...B...A...9...8...7...6...5...4_..3_..2_..1_.. ! > > > ! > > > ?DKA0... ! > > KA410-W V2.3 ! > > ! > > F...E...D...C...B...A...9...8...7...6...5?..4_..3_..2_..1?.. ! > > ! > > ! > > ? E 0040 0000.0045 ! > > ? D 0050 0000.0005 ! > > ? C 0080 0000.4001 ! > > ?? 5 0001 0000.0002 ! > > ?? 1 00C0 0000.7004 ! > > ! > > >>> b dka2 ! > > ! > > ! > > -DKA2 ! > > ! > > >> NetBSD/vax boot [Jul 29 2000 02:31:03] << ! > > >> Press any key to abort autoboot 0 ! > > > boot netbsd ! > > -- ! > ! > ! > **** COMMODORE 64 BASIC V2 **** ! > 64K RAM SYSTEM 38911 BASIC BYTES FREE ! > ! > READY. Staring Windows 98 ... C:\> @ ECHO OFF Windows Protetion Fault... You didn't pay your fees. Please let the big ape-guys in the front door to collect. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Smoking around computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! David Woyciesjes wrote: ! > This is where a Keyboard tray comes in very handy! ! Not when they figure they make a great pillow for napping. The still ! will find a way to be the center of attention. ! -- ! Ben Franchuk --- Pre-historic Cpu's -- ! www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html Okay, I meant a keyboard tray that slides under the desk surface, or something like that... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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HP-Compaq Merger: All But Dead? (Was: RE: Smoking)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I feel the same way Zach, even being an ex-smoker but when someone > ingests/shoots/snorts/etc a substance that makes them a danger to the > general public like it does if a person is stoned or drunk and on the road > with me and my family then I tend to feel like personally tying them to a > stake in front of a firing squad. Agreed. I also feel that way about most proposed corporate mergers. Carly Fiorina is currently tops on the stakeout list... and it would appear that the Packard Foundation has joined with the Hewlett and Packard famlies in opposing the merger. Peter Coffee was talking about it in McNeil-Lehrer last night, and he seems to think the old-time techies who recall HP from their early days, and whom are now enjoying higher positions in many companies, are also actively opposing the merger. The consensus is that the technology what results from the merged firms will run only Windows and use only Intel processors, and that's (wisely) perceived as a negative. When technology abandons diversity, I think I'll abandon technology (unless it's vintage). -dq

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Smoking around computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

I must say, with having two cats, I've never had a problem... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Christopher Smith [mailto:csmith@amdocs.com] ! Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:37 AM ! To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' ! Subject: RE: Smoking around computers ! ! ! > -----Original Message----- ! > From: charles hobbs [mailto:chobbs@socal.rr.com] ! ! > Speaking of which, ever open a machine formerly owned by a ! > dog/cat owner? ! ! I have. Being a cat owner, I find that I need to clean my systems of ! cat-hair on a regular basis. ! ! Regards, ! ! Chris ! ! ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer ! Amdocs - Champaign, IL ! ! /usr/bin/perl -e ' ! print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ! ' ! !

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Yeah I know, but GI's have a regular falir for bastardizing about anything > they hear/see. I used to come up with all sorts of "cracks" when I was a > military instructor (course instructor, not drill instructor) at Chanute in > IL until it closed in 93. Heard of RETS in L'ville too, seems there's a > rivalry between students that go to ITT Tech and RETS on who picked the > right school. I worked with all sorts of them at Jabil Services in L'ville > both times I've been out there. yeah, RETS students who insist the ITT Tech students picked the right one... and vice-versa. ;)

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Smoking

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Yeah, > Does it bother you that much if someone else is smoking though? In all > honesty, IMHO people should be allowed to smoke, ingest, or shoot up with > whatever they feel like, as long as they are not harming others. Sure, the > smoke smells horrible, and I dislike being around people who are smoking > (this is also due to the second hand smoke issue), but I have no problem > with it. Agreed... but if they blow smoke in my face, I'm likely to have a "milkshake accident" in their direction (that's where someone tells you a funny while you've got a mouth- full of milkshake, and well, you probably get the idea). -dq

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Free DEC stuff in Milpitas CA

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Hi, I have a friend who may be interested if you're willing to ship some of the stuff. Since you didn't mention shipping, I thought I'd ask. I would be interested in the VMS docsets, myself. Otherwise, unfortunately, I don't know anyone in the area. Thanks, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' > -----Original Message----- > From: bob(a)jfcl.com [mailto:bob@jfcl.com] > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:57 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Free DEC stuff in Milpitas CA > > > > I have the following mostly (but not all) DEC stuff to give > away FREE. > All you have to do is pick it up in Milpitas CA (next door to > San Jose). > > * A VAXstation-2000. No disks (you'll need to find an > RD5x/3x for it). > No guarantees of condition, either, but then it is free :-) > > * A VAXstation-3100/30. No disks (but you can use almost any > SCSI drive). > No guarantees of condition, either, but then it is free :-) > > * A Sophia Systems SA-2000 8-bit ICE. This is a self > contained CP/M machine > from the early 80s in a "luggable" case something like the > KayPro or Osborne. > Includes SA-DOS boot diskettes but no pods (it boots and > runs just fine with > out them). > > * A DECmate-II RX50 system (no hard disk) WITHOUT the 6120 > CPU chip. System > unit only - no monitor or keyboard. > > * About half a dozen DEC orange binders (empty). > > * A MicroVMS (VMS v4.x) manual set, in orange binders. > > * Most of an OpenVMS v7.x manual set (perfect bound). > > * A padded, sound proof printer enclosure for a 14" dot > matrix printer, > including a fan. > > I only read this list in digest form, and I'm way behind on that, so > please write to me directly if you're interested in anything. > > Bob >

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Smoking around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Moth balls work too but you have to be careful holding the > moths down while you get their balls. Gosh, Russ, hadn't heard that one since I was teaching digital at RETS! ;)

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Prints for an 11/70

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! Actually, the earlier the better. I want to do it *old* but *fast*. ! ! Peace... Sridhar Sridhar --- Okay, we know you're missing a missus, but isn't that a little strange? ;) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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I've discovered a new pleasure.

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! On December 10, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: ! > I've discovered a new simple pleasure. Sitting in my ! > storage locker with ! > a space heater and my IBM Portable Personal Computer ! > (thanks again, Jeff) ! > programming in BASIC in the middle of the night. Ahhh. ! ! Uhhhh ! ! Sridhar, you ok man? ! ! -Dave I dunno, Dave. When he picked up that VaxServer3100 from me yesterday, he did have a funny look on his face, right before he went into the pizza shop... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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MIPS RISComputer M/120

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Hi everybody, I have -- in various stages of repair -- three MIPS RISComputers. The model is M/120. I'm in need of an operating system (and maybe even software :) that will run on these. They were given to me without hard drives. Any ideas? Also, can anyone tell me what's the normal amount of RAM for these to have? One of them has two or three (don't remember) RAM boards, and one has five. The third has no RAM, and I wonder whether I could divide the boards between them and still have something reasonable. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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ABS type glue / was ASR-33

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

There is a new multi-part bonder called "cyanopoxy" that can even glue nylon and "slippery engineering plastics" such as Delrin. It is, however, quite expensive -- $48.50 w/s&h for a small quantity; see www.mrhobby.com. I learned about it in an article in "Railroad Model Craftsman" magazine. Looks good and might work to glue broken switch paddles, but I haven't used it myself. -----Original Message----- From: Craig Smith [mailto:ip500@home.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 2:41 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: ABS type glue / was ASR-33 Check out a sporting goods store that sells whitewater canoes. Most are made from ABS of some sort [Royalite, Royaltex, Oltenar] all come from basic ABS sandwich stock. They should have a really tough glue for mounting tie points and thigh harness to the bottom of the interior. IN my experience .. NOTHING else will bond to the ABS. Tothwolf wrote: > > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Bill Sudbrink wrote: > > > Anyway, the metal on both machines seems to be in good shape, but the > > plastic leaves something to be desired. The ASR is mostly just dirty, > > but there is a crack at the left rear screw position. The KSR is > > cleaner as it was used less, but it was stored improperly in a box and > > dropped or something and the plastic upper case (the gray case, not > > the white/yellow cover over the carriage) is broken into several > > pieces. So does anybody have recommendations as to glue or other > > solutions? Is someone sitting on a big stock of spare upper shells? > > Use a glue specially for ABS plastic. Most so-called plastic and model > glues are for polystyrene and won't bond ABS since they are not strong > enough. Let me know what you find, since I'm also looking for glue to use > on tons of broken ABS cases. I've been told that there is a glue made for > an ABS type of drain pipe. PVC glue won't work either, it tends to damage > ABS plastics. > > -Toth

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Availability of DSP56K chips

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Hi Carlos Try Dial Electronics, www.dialelec.com, they may be able to get some 56001's, they are resonably priced and don't have a minimum order charge. Unfortunately the rest of the 56k family comes in 144pin quad flat pack, even the 56002. One solution might be get a TQFP to BGA adapter board. The BGA adaptors usually have long enough pins to wrap and solder to. Winslow in the UK may have these in stock. Also, look out for an old style DSP56303-EVM evaluation module. These had pin headers connected to the data, address and control busses. I may have an old one lying around somewhere. Don't bother with the new EVM modules if you need to interface to any hardware - they only have headers for the control bus and 8-bit host port. Note: The 8-bit host port is a slave port only and needs to be driven from external processor. I've been using the 56300 family for quite a while now. The 24-bit instructions let you do one arithmetic op and two data moves in one cycle. The DMA channels allow you to move data without interrupting the core. You also get a lot more internal memory with the 563xx parts. My personal preference is to run these processors using internal memory only. Just use slow 8-bit flash to load programs. It saves having to use fast SRAM and you can do all of your I/O with fast serial links if need be. 56303 - 4k program, 2k X and Y ram. 3.3V core and I/O. I/O is 5V tolerent. Speed 80-100MHz. 144pin TQFP 56309, 20k program, 7k X and Y ram. 3.3V core and I/O. I/O is not 5V tolerent. Speed 80-100MHz. 144pin TQFP or PBGA (Plastic Ball Grid Array) package. 56307, 48k program, 8k X and Y ram, or 16k P ram and 24 X & Y ram 1.8V or 2.5V core and 3.3V I/O. Speed 100-160MHz. BGA package only. 56307 also comes with an independent Co-processor on board. All the Motorola tools are free even the gnu C compiler. I used the C compiler once and didn't like it. It produced slow code and didn't even support a fractional data type !! Not much use if your processor work in fractional arithmetic. I do all of my DSP programming in assembler. Alternatively try Texas or Analog Devices. Chris

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Smoking around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > > Bear in mind that I'm a FORMER smoker, and that there's no Catholic like a > > > convert, as they say ... > > > I've disassembled a number of CDROM drives that clearly suffered from > > > > D'ya mean that retractable ashtray holder? > > > Gee ... I thought that was a cup holder ... Just wondering... do you drive a Volvo? ;)

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Smoking around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > > > I once encountered a TRS-80 whose keyboard wasn't working due to a > > > > > chronic accumulation of marijuana seeds that had fallen in. > > > > > > > > I understand they're high in protein. Maybe this person ate them over > > > > their keyboard like others eat snacks? :) > > > > > > If they weren't eating snacks before they ate the marijuana seeds, they > > > certainly were afterwards. :-P > > > > Sounds like this comes from someone who knows? :) > > I'm less than two years away from my MD -- of course I know! ;-) Great... another reason to fear doctors! ;)

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VAX 8650 want a good home ...

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> Well, if you tell us what you're looking for, we might just > find it. Docs & prints would be nice :-) Must be one of the few major machines for which virtually nothing seems to be available on the net! Antonio

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Anyone want a 386/33?

by vcf＠vintage.org

Here's a guy in Minneapolis with a 386/33 to unload. Please reply directly to him. Reply-to: <joel_muscatello(a)securecomputing.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 14:15:04 -0600 From: "Muscatello, Joel" <joel_muscatello(a)securecomputing.com> To: 'Vintage Computer Festival' <vcf(a)vintage.org> Subject: RE: Any need for a 386 computer? Hello. Thanks for your reply. I am located in Minneapolis, MN. I would appreciate any help you could give me in finding a way to get rid of the machine. :-) Joel -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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VAX 6400 booting saga: how to transfer binaries to VMS with k ermit?

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

> > %STDRV-I-STARTUP, OpenVMS startup begun at 10-DEC-2001 22:56:23.89 > %SYSGEN-E-SYSVERDIF, system version mismatch - reassemble and > relink driver > -SYSGEN-I-DRIVENAM, driver name is SIDRIVER > %SYSGEN-E-SYSVERDIF, system version mismatch - reassemble and > relink driver > -SYSGEN-I-DRIVENAM, driver name is SIDRIVER > > this driver version mismatch prevents me from doing a SYSGEN > etc. Where can I turn off dependency to this driver? That's the driver for the DMB32. To hide it from SYSGEN it just needs to be renamed: $ RENAME SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]SIDRIVER.EXE SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]SIDRIVER.OLD But just in case, it might be worth checking that you don't have more than one version lying around: $ DIR SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:SIDRIVER.EXE Normally I would suggest purging down if multiple files are kicking around, but since this system is all you have, I'd go with renaming all of them and keeping the version numbers the same i.e. $ RENAME SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]SIDRIVER.EXE;33 SYS$COMMON:[SYS$LDR]SIDRIVER.OLD;33 or whatever. The other WAN device drivers you won't care about are SJDRIVER, SLDRIVER, SFDRIVER, SEDRIVER, ZTDRIVER and ZWDRIVER ... actually I'm sure there are more, I've just mislaid my list! If SIDRIVER is out of date I guess that the rest will be too. However, I assume that SIDRIVER is getting dragged in because SYSGEN found a DMB32? Antonio

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Rescue list?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 10, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote: > I tried it for a few hours, but found the message load to be too much for > my tastes. Think about getting a classiccmp day every *hour*. Or maybe > that was the geeks list. I don't remember. It certainly spikes that high, but it's not usually that bad. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Happy DEC-10 Day!

by CordaAJ＠nswc.navy.mil

Happy DEC-10 Day to all that remember the venerable olde beaste! Some of my happiest memories of college (WPI) involved hacking on the poor thing back in `73-`77... -al- -acorda(a)1bigred.com

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Smoking around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I have noticed > that machines with either residue (pot or cigs) don't tend to > have mice live > in them when sotred - I tried this by putting a bag of > tobacco (cloth bag) > inside and purposely left a filler plate off - no mice. The > machine without > had all sorts of acorn shells, poop, nesting materials, etc though. Great tip, thanks, the old IBM 716 Line Printer was *full* of that; had I known I could stick a pack of Viceroys in there to cure it, I might not have dismantled it... -dq

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I've discovered a new pleasure.

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> On December 10, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > > I've discovered a new simple pleasure. Sitting in my storage locker with > > a space heater and my IBM Portable Personal Computer (thanks again, Jeff) > > programming in BASIC in the middle of the night. Ahhh. > > Uhhhh > > Sridhar, you ok man? > > -Dave Good question, comments like that are scarry :^) Especially since it reveals that he's got a storage locker that isn't completely full :^) Zane

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I've discovered a new pleasure.

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 10, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > I've discovered a new simple pleasure. Sitting in my storage locker with > a space heater and my IBM Portable Personal Computer (thanks again, Jeff) > programming in BASIC in the middle of the night. Ahhh. Uhhhh Sridhar, you ok man? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Free DEC stuff in Milpitas CA

by bob＠jfcl.com

I have the following mostly (but not all) DEC stuff to give away FREE. All you have to do is pick it up in Milpitas CA (next door to San Jose). * A VAXstation-2000. No disks (you'll need to find an RD5x/3x for it). No guarantees of condition, either, but then it is free :-) * A VAXstation-3100/30. No disks (but you can use almost any SCSI drive). No guarantees of condition, either, but then it is free :-) * A Sophia Systems SA-2000 8-bit ICE. This is a self contained CP/M machine from the early 80s in a "luggable" case something like the KayPro or Osborne. Includes SA-DOS boot diskettes but no pods (it boots and runs just fine with out them). * A DECmate-II RX50 system (no hard disk) WITHOUT the 6120 CPU chip. System unit only - no monitor or keyboard. * About half a dozen DEC orange binders (empty). * A MicroVMS (VMS v4.x) manual set, in orange binders. * Most of an OpenVMS v7.x manual set (perfect bound). * A padded, sound proof printer enclosure for a 14" dot matrix printer, including a fan. I only read this list in digest form, and I'm way behind on that, so please write to me directly if you're interested in anything. Bob

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Several Apollo computers for free - Raleigh, NC

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> **I WILL NOT SHIP THESE ITEMS.** Sorry; they're just too > heavy and bulky > for me to package and ship; I just have too much else going > on right now. > With everything going on, I STRONGLY prefer someone take > everything. I will > not be able to take the time to go through any of this and > pick out parts > that people want. If someone fairly close to Raleigh is on the list, doesn't lust for these, and is wiling to give me a hand, I'd like to get as least the docs, or see them go to someone who can and will get them scanned fairly soon, I'm a bit in the dark running my Apollos (the FAQ helps as does some other info on the web). I would not mind seeing the entire haul in my hands but I've got 3 systems of similar vintage, so I don't want to be a pig. Anyone near him? -dq

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Prints for an 11/70

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Sorry can't help with the 11/70. On a similar thread, for those interested in HP stuff - I did find a schematic for an HP2116 32-bit floating point CORDIC co-processor. It's all in US patent 3766370 dated 1973. Patent contains complete schematic, flow charts and microcode. Uses some logic family I've never heard of, SL159XX series ? Chris

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testing

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] > On December 8, Peter C. Wallace wrote: > > > testing > > testing 1..2..3... > KA410-A V1.2 > F_..E...D...C...B...A...9...8...7...6...5...4_..3_..2_..1_.. ?DKA0... Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Several Apollo computers for free - Raleigh, NC

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/10/2001 5:22:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, cdrice(a)pobox.com writes: << Among them are several Apollo computers, and stack of misc. hardware (token ring parts and cables, misc. video and i/o cables, etc). and a very large stack of documentation. >> wish I had the space; I'm within 25 miles of the computers.

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H89 docs/help requested

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

As previously posted, the H89 which Joe Rigdon kindly gave me has a problem with the keyboard input: sometimes it works properly, but sometimes double characters or wrong characters are produced. This behavior can change while using the machine -- one moment it's okay, the next moment I get wrong or double characters. Anyone have a set of docs they can reproduce for me? Or any experience with the keyboard controller circuitry on this machine? TIA -- Glen 0/0

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A hypothetical

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Let's say a DEC PDP-1 comes up for auction. The economy is > good and times are stable. > > What would you be willing to pay for a DEC PDP-1? > > This is strictly a hypothetical. I'd be willing to pay everything I've got, which would *not* be enough to be the winning bidder. So, the real question should be, what would an auction of a PDP-1 top out at? -dq

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CPT 9000

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com] > > It also has (...and this is the reason I rescued it, even > though it is an > > intel machine) a really odd graphics adaptor with a 15-pin (two row > > D-shaped) connector that drives a full-page monochrome > (white) EGA monitor. > Sounds Mac like. You're not kidding. The installation of MS-DOS on the disk resides in the "SYSTEM" directory. That aside, I get the impression they used GEM desktop (there are small components stuck in with the installation of ventura publisher -- either it came with ventura or was part of the system...) There is also a more "standard" monitor plug next to the strange one (on the same card)... > Thanks, Chris, I appreciate the info. Sorry I cannot help you. Thanks for the attempt. If they made an 8000, maybe I should keep an eye out. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Availability of DSP56K chips

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

Hi everyone; It's been a while since I last coded stuff for robot control. The last time I did that, the DSP56K (dsp56001 in particular) chips were readily available. Now I need to develop a new platform for research purposes and I am finding that the once ubiquitous dsp56k chips have been eol'd (end-of-line'd in motorola parlance). The suggested replacements are the dsp56301 or 303 chips, which are code compatible, have 24 bit addressing (instead of 16 bit), run at 80MIPs instead of 20, and have all the glue logic for PCI or ISA interfacing built-in (dsp56301, which makes sense in my application because the robot supervisor will be a Linux server receiving commands from robot application clients over tcp/ip; the dsp will be a slave that does the low level yet massive number crunching stuff). So why don't I just go and choose the newer parts? Several reasons: 1) I'd prefer to go with unix-based free software tools. There is a56k and gcc56k for the dsp56k. While the dsp56.3k is supposedly code-compatible, I am sure that some tweaking would be required to make these tools work with the new family, and compilers are not my area of expertise. 2) The older parts have roughly 100 pins and can be wirewrapped, the new parts have 192 pins and require modern pcb design and production techniques, which are outrageously expensive in this corner of the world. I am not comfortable wire-wrapping a design that runs at 80MHz instead of 20. 3) From experience, I know that 20MIPS is enough for the task at hand. So, I am faced with a familiar problem; an old part that will do the job in a simpler design is no longer (readily) available; there is a new, better, faster part, but there aren't as many software goodies to go with it, and the hardware design tools and fabrication are more expensive. The key issue is the present availability of the older parts. I've checked some places and they seem to actually be out of these chips. So my question to the list is: do you know where to get dsp56001A chips? Or better yet, do you have some that you don't plan to use? carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

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Availability of DSP56K chips

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Carlos Sorry I got carried away. If all you need is a slave processor and 20Mips, then the 56303-EVM is ideal. You get 64k x 8 flash, 32k x 24 fast SRAM, a 16-bit stereo codec and a pin header for the host port. Also included is a 56002 which acts as an RS232 to JTAG interface for Domain Technologies Debug-56k debugger, also free from Domain Technologies, www.domaintec.com. Chris

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CPT 9000

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Don Maslin [mailto:donm@cts.com] > Are you sure that it is not a CPT 8000? That one I am a bit familiar > with and find ample references by a google search. On 9000, I draw a > blank. Well, it says 9000 on the front, I believe. :) > If it is truly 9000, what floppy disk size does it use? It was shipped, I think, with both 3.5 and 5.25" high-density floppy drives. I just found another 3.5" floppy that works in it on Saturday night. I got no manuals, no software (other than what was extremely messed up and left on the drive), and a disassembled machine. The machine is now in more-or-less good shape. I need to pick the tumbler keyboard lock. For now I've just disconnected it. (Or find a key that works) I should also replace the power adaptor I've got plugged into the floppy drive, since it's also got a signal cable adaptor that's not being used. :) As I was saying, the installation was pretty botched by the time I got it. It boots -- thinks it runs MS-DOS 3.2 -- and that's really about it. I believe the CPU was intel 286. It has a "Tall Tree Systems" JRAM card and JLaser 3 (I think) daughterboard. a 20MB MFM (or RLL?) 3.5" half-height hard disk. (Miniscribe, I believe) It also has (...and this is the reason I rescued it, even though it is an intel machine) a really odd graphics adaptor with a 15-pin (two row D-shaped) connector that drives a full-page monochrome (white) EGA monitor. That's pretty much all I know about it. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Moving heavy equipment

by jfoust＠threedee.com

Back in September I wrote: >I've got a lead on a full and working electron microscope. >It's on-topic because it's old and has some sort of >computerized digitizing unit. :-) >I've lined up a big Diesel stake (flat-bed) truck. >It'll be about a 2-3 hour drive. We've got straps, >boards, tarps. I'm most concerned about getting it >*off* the truck and into my office or home basement. >Any other thoughts from the group? An update: it's in my garage now. The x-ray spectrometer is a 11/23-based system running custom apps over RT-11. The SEM has an 8085-based system for automating various aspects of the electron microscope column. It's an AMRAY 1610T, circa 1983: http://www.threedee.com/jmosn/microscopes/amray/index.html Even at 1,200 pounds, the column rolled easily on a pallet jack, off the loading dock ramp and onto the truck. To get it all off the truck, the farmer next-door helped with his power-tilt front-loader bucket. The next trick will be to levitate it down the stairs and into the basement. If I can get it all back together again and happy, it'll magnify down to about 50,000 x. - John

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