On December 11, Don Maslin wrote:
> Yeh, probably as easy as training a cat!
Training cats is actually rather easy. It's commonly thought to be
difficult or impossible because most people try to train them using
the same methods they use to train dogs...which fail miserably.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
On December 12, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
> Alconox is a soap designed to clean laboratory equipment.
It is WONDERFUL STUFF. Really incredible stuff. See
http://www.alconox.com. Though it's not really targeted at
individuals, you can buy it straight from their web site.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
On December 11, Zach Malone wrote:
> Does it bother you that much if someone else is smoking though? In all
> honesty, IMHO people should be allowed to smoke, ingest, or shoot up with
> whatever they feel like, as long as they are not harming others. Sure, the
> smoke smells horrible, and I dislike being around people who are smoking
> (this is also due to the second hand smoke issue), but I have no problem
> with it.
I can effectively "tune it out" and ignore it when I'm around it,
which I consider myself lucky to be able to to...but I don't like when
people I care about are smoking, because I know people who have been
killed by it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
> I've had systems, that when I opened them, the air intake filters oozed
> with residue and reeked of herb.
There's gotta be something that can be done with that. ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
> > I just saw this on /., the Google USENET archive has been expanded back to
> > May 12th, 1981! It's a great day for Classic Computing! Looks like the
> > oldest message in their archive is DEC related since it talks about a Unibus
> > Versatec interface card.
>
> Depends on the group, I think... I found that comp.sys.cdc
> goes back to February 1989, just a bit before CDC killed
> off ETA...
>
> -dq
>
<sigh> I'm not surprised, I've not had a chance to see what kinds of PDP-10
and PDP-11 stuff can be dug up. Hmm, for that matter, it might be time to
check out comp.sys.harris, and a couple others...
Zane
> From: David Woyciesjes <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu>
> Speaking of drinking, Tuesdays (tonight!) are when my APA Pool Team
> plays. We're in first, with only two more matches to go! Then playoffs
for
> the States, then it's off to Vegas after States! Woo-hoo, hopefully!
Hope you make it to Vegas! BTW what level are you? I shot for a few years
but never made it beyond a 4. No problem making the shots but post-shot
cue ball positioning hung me up.
Glen
0/0
On December 11, Jeff Hellige wrote:
> I've had the displeasure of working on machines used by
> someone with quite a large number of cats. As if all the cat hair in
> the carpet wasn't bad enough while crawling down to hook/unhook
> cables, the hair was also throughout everything from the keyboard and
> mouse to the CPU. Not just a few strands, but quite a lot of it.
> Quite nasty...
Hmm, I have a kitty who spends some time in the computer
room...there's one particular machine in there that moves a LOT of air
and needs its filters cleaned frequently, but aside from that I've had
no issues with kitty fur.
And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the best friends
I've ever had, so if letting her go where she wants means some extra
filter cleaning for me, then so be it!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
> From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
> When you do a few more tests, I'll dig out the manual. I know I have all
> the schematics, etc...
Sounds good -- and thanks for all the help on this box. I just got my
Z-100 up and dual-booting CP/M-86 and ZDOS, so the H89 is now at the top of
my Unfinished Projects List.
Glen
0/0
>I've been using a Logitech Wheel Mouse (optical) for more than a year now
>on my OS/2-based pc.
>
>My Sparc has an old-style optical mouse (requires special HARD TO FIND
>pad).
Easy to find, NEVER cheap. ;) I used to sell them for $5 to $10, then a
local Sun guy found out I had some and he bought them all.
Me too on the optical meese. I bought a CHEAP Inland brand for $8.99 at
MicroCenter, and its almost weird at first using it because it NEVER skips,
sticks,etc. and my brain isn't used to that. The scroll wheel spoils you
real fast too. My finger is already "looking" for it on lesser mice.
My understanding is that the new optical mice compare the surface image to
detect movement. Fancy stuff, but isn't the interface to the PC still the
same?
On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
>Yeah. I wasn't actually trying to build it using any specific technology.
>What I am doing is taking the latest and greatest and building a PDP-11
>compatible (one that act's *exactly* like an 11/70, but faster). I am
>probably not going to be using FPGA's, because I don't think they're yet
>making FPGA's the speed I want them to go.
Would 200MHz be fast enough ? A lot of the Xilinx fpga's offer 5ns pin to pin
delay. I'd be interested in finding out about the 11/40 architecture - was it
a
bit-sliced design, how deep was the pipeline etc.?
I'm going to have a go at an HP21XX machine of some description next year.
It's just going to emulate some of the HP custom processors and speed isn't
going to be an issue. BTW the HP2116 Cordic Co-processor ran with a cycle
time of 200ns - not exactly fast - add/sub 50-100us mpy/div 100-150us. Yawn.
Chris Leyson
On December 9, Glen Goodwin wrote:
> > I wouldn't want anybody smoking near my computers!
>
> I've been chain-smoking around computers of various sorts for 20 years, and
> I've never seen any evidence of smoke-related problems. I prefer that
> computers don't smoke around me, however ;>)
It makes them STINK!
Actually either one makes them stink! ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
>I was thinking somewhere in the range of a gigahertz.
Tunnel diode logic seems to be making a bit of a comeback - still in
the development stage but it's better thas GaAs
Williamson et al., "12 GHz Clocked Operation of Ultralow Power
Interband Resonant Tunneling Diode Pipelined Logic Gates."
IEEE Journal of Solid-State Circuits, Vol 32 No 2 February 1997.
pp222-231 (ISSN 0018-9200)
Fast enough ?
Chris Leyson
Gator eggs?
-Dave
On December 11, Ian Koller wrote:
>
>
> And Gator Eggs?
>
>
>
> Dave McGuire wrote:
> >
> > On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
> > > Yeah. I wasn't actually trying to build it using any specific technology.
> > > What I am doing is taking the latest and greatest and building a PDP-11
> > > compatible (one that act's *exactly* like an 11/70, but faster). I am
> > > probably not going to be using FPGA's, because I don't think they're yet
> > > making FPGA's the speed I want them to go.
> >
> > You do know about Mentec's new-technology pdp11 processors, right?
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> > --
> > Dave McGuire
> > St. Petersburg, FL
>
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
Does anyone know where I might find prints for a PDP-11/70? Like complete
prints? I was intrigued as I studied my own 11/70 with the possibility of
implementing an 11/70 in modern high-speed discrete logic.
Peace... Sridhar
On December 11, jpero(a)sympatico.ca wrote:
> That rate, if Sridhar is looking at sub 5ns pin-pin, he's looking
> at around 50 to 100MHz. Just my SWAG. FYI: PII 233 has 7ns
> sync-sram cycling at 133MHz.
>
> If true, that would be blisteringly fast PDP11/70 on size of a small
> 12" x 12" board roughly.
>
> That means putting in certain lengths of critcial traces to get
> timing come together at right moment (hence the zig-zag traces), low
> voltage swings, 2 levels of caches, etc.
>
> Blatent easy way out is emulate that 11/70 on athlon XP 1900+. :-)
> Smack me if you dare. :-)
Oh, puh-YUKE!!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
Today I spent 8 hours moving stuff from one smaller storage unit to a
much larger one and found goodies I long forgot about. I have not seen
the back off this storage unit for almost 3 years. Here's a list of some
items;
1. PET 2001 series 2001-8 in good shape, will take home and test it.
2. CBM 2001 series 8 machine has been modified with new keyboard in
place of tape unit and smaller keys.
3. Commodore model C128D in great shape.
4. TRS80 model 1
5. PolyMorphic System 8813 model 8813/1 with wooden case.
6. CPT disk unit 8 ID# 931203
7. ADDS Ultimate model 25
8. SOROC model IQ120
9. Franklin PC8000 in great shape
There were a lot more plus I still have not finished moving items yet.
If I was not moving I would get me a heater and play also.
Perhaps slightly off-topic (other than being a resonably old part), but
would anyone around here have a datasheet (or, at least, a pin-out) for an
HP HDSP-2490? This is an odd, 4-digit, 5x7 led matrix display. It's in a
28-pin dip, and looks to have some intellegence built in.
The answer from HP (nee Agilent) is "long since obsolete, we know nothing".
Thanks...
Ken
On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
> Yeah. I wasn't actually trying to build it using any specific technology.
> What I am doing is taking the latest and greatest and building a PDP-11
> compatible (one that act's *exactly* like an 11/70, but faster). I am
> probably not going to be using FPGA's, because I don't think they're yet
> making FPGA's the speed I want them to go.
You do know about Mentec's new-technology pdp11 processors, right?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
>
> > > > With all that iron, ya gotta throw a party sometime soon!
> > >
> > > I am pretty sure that I will be bringing one of my IBM S/390 G1's to VCF
> > > East next year with VM, MVS, and Linux running. If anyone else brings
> > > machines capable of SNA, FDDI, Ethernet or ATM, you'll be welcome to
hook
> > > up to me.
> >
> > Ok, Russ, to see Sridhar's stuff, we gotta get together and do a
> >
> > Hillbilly VCF 1.0
> >
> > If we time it right and have it in Owensboro, we could
> > make it a part of the Kentucky Burgoo Festival...
> >
> > ;)
>
> Why don't you come out to VCFE next year? It'll only be about a
> half-day's drive.
The last time I even tried to take a vacation, I saved up
>from January till June to attend AudiFest '98 at Pike's
Peak. The turbo blew in the quattro a week before and it
took all I'd saved to fix it. Including selling the tickets.
Coupled with a meager $30k yearly as a sysadmin running an IIS
webserver might give you an idea as to the dreadfullness of my
circumstances.
Were I only willing to leave God's Country, I know I could
better that salary in a heartbeat...
-dq
> >> 42 !
> > Feynman lives!
>
> Doug Adams, right?
> Or is there some link to Ofey I missed?
I found out about Richard Feynman's propensity
to yell out "42" as the answer to anything andf
everything from one of Douglas Hofstadter's books;
probably not G.E.B., but likely his duet with
Daniel Dennet, "Mind's I".
It *may*, tho, have been in "Metamagical Themas",
the compilation of his columns from SciAm.
In a very depressing time, dealing with a very, very
depressing subject, Richard Feynman provided me with
the greatest sense of glee I can recall. While George
Meany (or whomever the shirt was who was heading the
Challenger Disaster Panel) was going through the motions,
I was carefully watching an otherwise bored Feynman
start to play with the sample of rubber from the o-ring
seals. I saw him look at his glass of icewater, and
before I could form the though "stick it in the ice-
water" he was doing it, and then immediately started
to check his watch.
After a while, he raised his hand or interrupted,
can't quite recall which, and declared he knew what
had caused the disaster.
I'd give up all of Congress for one Richard Feynman.
-dq
> I just saw this on /., the Google USENET archive has been expanded back to
> May 12th, 1981! It's a great day for Classic Computing! Looks like the
> oldest message in their archive is DEC related since it talks about a Unibus
> Versatec interface card.
Depends on the group, I think... I found that comp.sys.cdc
goes back to February 1989, just a bit before CDC killed
off ETA...
-dq
> > I'd give up all of Congress for one Richard Feynman.
> >
>
> I'd give up considerably more than that. "Surely you're joking,
> Mr. Feynman!" is probably one of the most enjoyable books
> I've ever read.
THAt was the name of the book, couldn't recall when Sellam
and I were discussing it...
-dq
> That would probably be a really good resource for people who tend to see
> computers around an want to know what they're looking at... It would be
> especially useful for machines that are similar in enclosure but not in
> firmware.
I think we could extrac them from issues of PHRACK...
;)
On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
> > Nah, Sridhar doesn't know how to party...do you, Sridhar. ;)
> > Perhaps we can give him some party lessons. 8-)
>
> Remember you're talking to a raver. I party for *days* on end. 8-)
Nah...too much dancing, not enough drinking!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
> > Before I moved to FL, Sridhar and Brian Hechinger came down to hang
> > out and hack on stuff, and crashed on my couches.
>
> You mean, these people really exist and aren't figments of sendmail's
> imagination? :-P
<NOT_A_TROLL>
Funny, I just recently opened a thread about "discussion bots" on
alt.computers.folklore... from what I read and what I'd recalled
seeing in the past, I think I can safely say no bots are on this
list...
</NOT_A_TROLL>
-dq
Hey peoples!
I have been spending my time working programs in
Applesoft basic.
What would be the best way to share these programs with
others?
I have an apple II c with 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 " floppies.
On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
> > > > Nah, Sridhar doesn't know how to party...do you, Sridhar. ;)
> > > > Perhaps we can give him some party lessons. 8-)
> > >
> > > Remember you're talking to a raver. I party for *days* on end. 8-)
> >
> > Nah...too much dancing, not enough drinking!
>
> Hey. There are a lot of things more fun than alcohol.
Hey, I LIKE getting drunk!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
> ! Actually, the earlier the better. I want to do it *old* but *fast*.
> !
> ! Peace... Sridhar
>
> Sridhar ---
> Okay, we know you're missing a missus, but isn't that a little
> strange? ;)
Dangol'- may, december thing- tellyuhwhat.
;)
That would probably be a really good resource for people who tend to see
computers around an want to know what they're looking at... It would be
especially useful for machines that are similar in enclosure but not in
firmware.
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
Amdocs - Champaign, IL
/usr/bin/perl -e '
print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
'
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jochen Kunz [mailto:jkunz@unixag-kl.fh-kl.de]
> What about a (web browseable) collection of prom / boot messages of
> classic machines and OSes?
>
! On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
! > > Nah, Sridhar doesn't know how to party...do you, Sridhar. ;)
! > > Perhaps we can give him some party lessons. 8-)
! >
! > Remember you're talking to a raver. I party for *days* on end. 8-)
!
! Nah...too much dancing, not enough drinking!
!
! -Dave
And a hearty "hear-hear!" to that! Not to mention, he doesn't really
look the 'raver' type. Hmmm... ;)
Speaking of drinking, Tuesdays (tonight!) are when my APA Pool Team
plays. We're in first, with only two more matches to go! Then playoffs for
the States, then it's off to Vegas after States! Woo-hoo, hopefully!
--- David A Woyciesjes
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> > Dangol'- may, december thing- tellyuhwhat.
> >
> > ;)
>
> Well, the reason I wanted to do it *old* and *fast*...
>
> I wanted to do it old because I actually own a first-revision PDP-11/70
> which my father bought brand new back in the mid-70's when it first came
> out before I was born. It's a really really neat machine with gobs of I/O
> bandwidth. It's fast too. So it made me think what I might be able to do
> with modern components and still make it compatible with my 11/70. (FYI,
> my 11/70 is still working and is still original, down to its fuses and
> fascia).
That is *so* cool, preserving a machine by keeping it in the family!
-dq
On December 11, David Woyciesjes wrote:
> ! > I've discovered a new simple pleasure. Sitting in my
> ! > storage locker with
> ! > a space heater and my IBM Portable Personal Computer
> ! > (thanks again, Jeff)
> ! > programming in BASIC in the middle of the night. Ahhh.
> !
> ! Uhhhh
> !
> ! Sridhar, you ok man?
>
> I dunno, Dave. When he picked up that VaxServer3100 from me yesterday, he
> did have a funny look on his face, right before he went into the pizza
> shop...
Before I moved to FL, Sridhar and Brian Hechinger came down to hang
out and hack on stuff, and crashed on my couches. Late the next
morning, I walk into the living room to find Sridhar just waking up.
He sits up, gets what is likely that very same funny look on his face,
and says "NAME THY FECES!!"
I think the boy needs to eat more beef and less plantlife. All
that chlorophyll is getting into his brain. ;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
> > With all that iron, ya gotta throw a party sometime soon!
>
> I am pretty sure that I will be bringing one of my IBM S/390 G1's to VCF
> East next year with VM, MVS, and Linux running. If anyone else brings
> machines capable of SNA, FDDI, Ethernet or ATM, you'll be welcome to hook
> up to me.
Ok, Russ, to see Sridhar's stuff, we gotta get together and do a
Hillbilly VCF 1.0
If we time it right and have it in Owensboro, we could
make it a part of the Kentucky Burgoo Festival...
;)
I've discovered a new simple pleasure. Sitting in my storage locker with
a space heater and my IBM Portable Personal Computer (thanks again, Jeff)
programming in BASIC in the middle of the night. Ahhh.
Peace... Sridhar
On December 11, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote:
> I am pretty sure that I will be bringing one of my IBM S/390 G1's to VCF
> East next year with VM, MVS, and Linux running. If anyone else brings
> machines capable of SNA, FDDI, Ethernet or ATM, you'll be welcome to hook
> up to me.
Eh? The G1 isn't 10 years old, is it?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
> From: Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
> I once encountered a TRS-80 whose keyboard wasn't working due to a
> chronic accumulation of marijuana seeds that had fallen in.
You got it from Sellam, right? ;>)
Glen
0/0
Let's say a DEC PDP-1 comes up for auction. The economy is good and times
are stable.
What would you be willing to pay for a DEC PDP-1?
This is strictly a hypothetical.
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
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> And a hearty "hear-hear!" to that! Not to mention, he
> doesn't really look the 'raver' type. Hmmm... ;)
> Speaking of drinking, Tuesdays (tonight!) are when my
> APA Pool Team plays. We're in first, with only two more
> matches to go! Then playoffs for the States, then it's
> off to Vegas after States! Woo-hoo, hopefully!
We used to have a drinking night here, but your truly
couldn't be bothered by the beer everyone else was
having that night and opted for Maker's Mark on an
empty stomach... that drove the nail in the Tuesday
Night coffin (at our office).
And I want to point out: the diminished capacity
for judgement begins *before* you had the first
drink. Blaming the alcohol is engaging in bad faith...
-dq
> ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk wrote:
>
>The outputs of this PSU are +/-5V to +/-15V. They're all safe to
touch,
>although they can supply significant current when the machine is in
>operation (I think the main logic supply is 5V, 125A).
When I was working on a VAX 6000 once, the combination
of +5V @ > 100A and human-appendages-with-nearby-metal
(fingers with ring, wrists with metal watchstraps etc.) was
quaintly described as an opportunity to lose an appendage and
simultaneously cauterize the wound :-)
>The main hazard is inside the PSU. There are a couple of _large_
>capacitors that form part of a 400V supply straight from the mains.
The
>output of this supply is distributed to the PSU boards by
barrier-strip
>type screw terminals at the top of the boards. This supply can kill
you!
Stone dead, I should think!
All PSUs deserve respect. This one sounds
like it deserves more than most :-)
Antonio
>
> > I don't smoke or eat weed around my computers. Chips occasionally, but
> > that's about it.
>
> I've had systems, that when I opened them, the air intake filters oozed
> with residue and reeked of herb.
Did I mention I run a filter recycling service? Please mail
your filters to:
';liwrfjuscljhapos8hs
NO CARRIER
On December 11, Sellam Ismail wrote:
> > I'm going to uuencode a fart and email it to you!
>
> Don't bother:
>
> http://www.farts.com/
fear
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
! > ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the
! > ! best friends
! > ! I've ever had, so if letting her go where she wants means
! > ! some extra
! > ! filter cleaning for me, then so be it!
! >
! > Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P
!
! I'm going to uuencode a fart and email it to you!
!
! -Dave
That's fine. I've got a cold, and a stuffy node right now... ;-)
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On December 11, David Woyciesjes wrote:
> ! Hmm, I have a kitty who spends some time in the computer
> ! room...there's one particular machine in there that moves a LOT of air
> ! and needs its filters cleaned frequently, but aside from that I've had
> ! no issues with kitty fur.
> !
> ! And even if that weren't the case...my cat is one of the
> ! best friends
> ! I've ever had, so if letting her go where she wants means some extra
> ! filter cleaning for me, then so be it!
>
> Aww, isn't that so damned cute! :-P
I'm going to uuencode a fart and email it to you!
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
On December 11, Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
> With all that iron, ya gotta throw a party sometime soon!
Nah, Sridhar doesn't know how to party...do you, Sridhar. ;)
Perhaps we can give him some party lessons. 8-)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
! > ! Actually, the earlier the better. I want to do it *old*
! > ! but *fast*.
! > !
! > ! Peace... Sridhar
! >
! > Sridhar ---
! > Okay, we know you're missing a missus, but isn't that a little
! > strange? ;)
!
! Dangol'- may, december thing- tellyuhwhat.
!
! ;)
What?
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--- Yale University Press
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