December 2001 - test-drb@ccmp.vtda.org

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Carlos Murillo wrote: > > Aztecs bred a special dog race, called "izcuintle", for > > culinary purposes. They're pretty ugly as they are > > hairless. But they're supposed to taste like pork. > > They also ate people too, that tastes like pork too. "Long Pork" ;)

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OT: RE: Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> At 02:10 PM 12/13/01 -0700, Robert Feldman wrote: > >Do you (or someone you know) have a pet guinea pig? They were originally > >domesticated and raised as food, in Peru. I must say a good barbequed cuy > >(which is what they are called there) is quite tasty, though not much meat > >on them. > > Aztecs bred a special dog race, called "izcuintle", for > culinary purposes. They're pretty ugly as they are > hairless. But they're supposed to taste like pork. Don't know the breeds, but you can add the Koreans, Chinese, and Philipinos to the dig-comsumer list... Monkey is popular in the latter two as well... -dq

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What's with this Lisa?

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> >Model: A6S0300 > >Memory Option: A6S0304 > >SN: A3322146 > >Manufactured: 3322 > > Mine is the same model# with a date code of 3248. You said > you bought the machine as a plain '2' and upgraded it to a 2/5? Yep. The vanilla 2 was a 512kb machine with the 400K floppy, which is why it was pretty useless, the 2/5 has the profile but still half a meg so it won't run some of the 7/7 apps so I got the extra ET card from ebay. Took me nearly a year to get a complete spares kit :) The 2/10 was completely different...... I'm not entirely sure whether the extra IO board I got is from a Lisa 1 since it doesn't have capacity for the battery pack. There's pix on my museum site if anyone wants to check for me! > I've not checked for the 'proto' marking mentioned on one of > the connectors, but I know it's on the front panel. I've got four > memory cards here, one of which still had it's price sticker of > $1495.00 marked down to $995. One of the ones not installed also > ahas the ET marking. Is there an Apple brand on there as well? I'm assuming ET might be the manufacturer..... cheers -- Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum)

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Need manual for Everex digital cassette drive

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > Maybe, but doubtful. This was more of a tape backup device. It uses > > > DIGITAL cassettes. If you've never seen one, they have a square notch > > > just off the center of the top of the cassette, and they have two slide > > > tabs to turn write-protection on/off. Otherwise, it looks just like a > > > regular analog cassette tape. > > > > Yeah, I've got a drive from an old Burroughs teller machine... > > > > Had a bunch of Burroughs stuff I dumped about five years > > ago, though I still have a direct-wire 1200 baud modem... > > I have a complete (almost working) Burroughs computer. For a long time, I kept a cage that contained a card rack and a fixed-head disk drive. It would power up, and make characteristic "booting" sounds. I just wasn't interested in computers much during that late 80s/early 90s when everything started to go Microsoft... -dq

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Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > BTW, now that you're _down south_, has anyone turned > > > > you onto the burgers at Crystal's ? > > > > > > I don't believe I've had them yet, no...are they good? > > > > They're sometimes known as "southern sliders"... when you > > see them, you'll know why... > > I will try some. :-) > > > And re: squirrels, lemme tell ya, I wouldn't be alive > > if they *weren't* food... there were times when squirrel > > wasn't the usual delicacy, but the only damned thing my > > ancestors could find to eat. > > Oh yes, my ancestors too...but as long as it was THEM and not ME! ;) Ok, Ok, I've never been accused of being civilized... ;)

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What's with this Lisa?

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

Hi all, > >I always wondered why the 2 existed in the first place, > since without a hard > >drive and only .5mb of memory it was useless for anything other than > >MacWorks. > > Once you take a look at your's, since you said it started > life as a '2' and you upgraded it to a 2/5, would you mind sending > me the model/serial/date numbers off of it? Here's the scoop: Model: A6S0300 Memory Option: A6S0304 SN: A3322146 Manufactured: 3322 Unfortunately there's no prototype info, but both of my memory modules are dated 1982 and one of them has the 'fabled' ET logo....... cheers -- Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum)

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USENET from 1981 to present on google

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> My first post seems to be from 1996/10/08. I am, quite simply, not > worthy. Me too. </aol>. My first post was an ultrix problem on 6th Oct '95; not bad I suppose, only 4 years after TBL's first announcement of that there web. Mmmm text only sigs :) -- Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum)

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Cats around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 14, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > > Oh yes, I agree 100% that it's all just a matter of what we're > > culturally used to...but that knowlege will not stop the huge tide of > > spewing vomit that will ensue if someone puts brains in front of my > > face. > > Still doesn't stop you from waving your pit beef sandwich in mine. 8-) Deep down, you like beef, Sridhar. You're just in denial. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Pinouts for Vaxstation 3100 monochrome cable?

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Hi, all. I have a vaxstation 3100 m38 running NetBSD, and I'd like to be able to use the local monochrome display. I've removed the SPX color adapter, and made up a cable according to the pinouts on Kee's VS3100 page. His pinouts are composite on pin 9 and ground on 3 for a BC23K-03 cable. However, with the cobbled cable attached, I don't get any output. Question 1: Did I miss a jumper on the mainboard? Question 2: I assumed that the pins were numbered in the same order as an AUI ethernet connector. Looking at the female, I have 1-8 right-to-left, and 9-15 R-t-L. Is this correct? Question 3: I'm using an IBM Power17 display. Multisync, separate-sync, composite-sync and sync-on-green capable, I would think it would work with mono input on the green. It does work fine with the SPX adapter. Question 4: I also have a Digital VR160 display, but everything I've read implies that it won't do monochrome. Is that true? Has anybody been successful with a monochrome display on this box? Any help would be most welcome. Doc

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Need manual for Everex digital cassette drive

by mhstein＠usa.net

Sounds like the same tapes as the Burroughs cassettes I've used and still have a few of. If so, case construction and tape characteristics aside, they also have BOT/EOT holes 17.7 inches >from the leader.. mike --------------------Original Message--------------- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:42:06 +0000 (GMT) From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: Need manual for Everex digital cassette drive > > just off the center of the top of the cassette, and they have > > two slide > > tabs to turn write-protection on/off. Otherwise, it looks just like a > > regular analog cassette tape. > > No problem, just file a notch in your "analog" cassette. ;) Is your data really worth that _little_ that it's not worth buying the right tape? > I'm not sure that would work, but given the improved resolution, etc, in > cassette tapes during the last several years, it just may. I am pretty sure the coercivity of the tape in the 'digital' cassettes is considerably high that that of the tape in normal audio cassettes... - -tony

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OT: RE: Cats around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 12, Ben Franchuk wrote: > > Aztecs bred a special dog race, called "izcuintle", for > > culinary purposes. They're pretty ugly as they are > > hairless. But they're supposed to taste like pork. > > They also ate people too, that tastes like pork too. Isn't everything supposed to taste like chicken? My favorite exchange from Stargate SG-1, as Daniel sits down to some field rations: Daniel: <munch munch munch> "This tastes like chicken." Maj. Carter: "What's wrong with that?" Daniel: "It's macaroni and cheese." -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around computers))

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Douglas Quebbeman may have mentioned these words: > > > I'll bet you're presbyotic (far-sighted) > > > > Nit pick time. I think you mean presbyopic. presbyotic would be > > someone who can only hear things far away. Hmmm... from my High School biology & health classes, I seem to recall that myopia is nearsightedness, *hyperopia* was farsightedness, and I thought that presbyopia was either someone who can see near & far but not in between, or someone that could not see near or far, but what was in between was in focus... but that was a long time ago... and the health field changes faster than the computer field... (I was amazed seeing back 80-90 years ago that over 50% of the folks that died in my town were diagnosed with "consumption"... I wonder what consumed them? Maybe squirrels??? ;-) > > > Plus, isn't the fiddle on their stomach? Should I ask the spider > > > to "present, front and center" so i can check? > > > > Definitely on the back, hence the common name fiddleback spider. Makes me *very* happy to be in Northern Michigan - other than a rumor every 10 years or so of a rattlesnake being seen, hardly anything poisonous other than wasps & bumblebees is able to survive up here... :-) Oh, and my grandma was born/raised in the foothills of Kentucky -- if it didn't crawl away fast enough, it was dinner. I've eaten squirrel that my brother & I shot (small red squirrels) - it's *very* tasty, but you'd best have a *lot* of them! I've also had muskrat, beaver, raccoon, squid, deer (venison - my dad just shot one this morning!! Yum!), bear, moose, buffalo, elk, wild boar.... usw. And yes, cow's tongue is very good also, when prepared correctly, but I never did acquire a taste for the pickled pork hocks... I don't "pretend" what I like, because I like most everything. Yes, it's offtopic, but I just thought I'd include that for those here who are squeamish... ;^> "Merch" -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an *older* .sig. (circa 1997!) Why does Hershey's put nutritional information on their candy bar wrappers when there's no nutritional value within?

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Cats around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > My Zoology prof claimed to have eaten just about > eberything on the planet that people make a regular > habit of eating... grubs were the first thing he > mentioned. Fear. I will never understand the "I am cool because I eat, and pretend to like, things that gross most people out" mentality. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Cats around computers

by ken＠seefried.com

>From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net> >I had a cat lick pictures once. They'll eat/chew on the darndest things >if you let them. ... >My parents still have one cat that will eat/chew ribbon >>David Woyciesjes wrote: >> Well, my 3 1/2 year old cat, Isabelle, like to like tape and pictures. >> Never figured that one out yet... I think it might be texture. I've got a cat that compulsively licks plastic items, especially grocery bags. Obviously no taste, but anything plasticy, she licks. I just thought she was a tard-cat. Ken

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Cats around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > BTW, now that you're _down south_, has anyone turned > > > you onto the burgers at Crystal's ? > > > > I don't believe I've had them yet, no...are they good? > > They're sometimes known as "southern sliders"... when you > see them, you'll know why... I will try some. :-) > And re: squirrels, lemme tell ya, I wouldn't be alive > if they *weren't* food... there were times when squirrel > wasn't the usual delicacy, but the only damned thing my > ancestors could find to eat. Oh yes, my ancestors too...but as long as it was THEM and not ME! ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Emerald Systems digital cassette drive

by vcf＠vintage.org

Ok, now I found an Emerald Systems digital cassette drive. This is an internal drive and has its own interface card. However, I don't have a driver disk or manual for this one either. Does anyone have the drivers or a manual? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around compu ters)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Yeah, just what we would need to find..... a Sydney Funnel Web spider. > I don't even want to meet a Brown Recluse. All spiders have toxins in their venom; not all toxins are dangerous to humans. Apparently most humans *are* susecptible to the brown recluse, but in varying degrees. I've seen the brown recluse in my home, among several other species. Can't always tell which is which but I can tell that some are different from others. One species living in and around my home grows very large. One night, I'd come home from a drunk, and passed out with the lights on; sleeping on a mattress on the floor. I awoke from the pain of a bite, looked at my arm and saw a small amount of blood. Just at the edge of the bed, I saw a *big* spider scurry off. In my stupor, I deciced to go back to sleep; worst case, I simply wouldn't wake up. But the next day comes, bidden or not. Now, I used to have these embarrasing warts on my elbows and underside of my forearms. A couple of days later, while showering, I noticed these warts were swollen up. Strange; but I didn't give it any more thought. A week later, I looked again, and the warts were gone. Somewhere in my basement lives a species of spider that contains a miracle wart cure in its venom. If only I could determine which one, I'd be rich! I do have lots of webs in some of the classic EQ I have down in the basement (notably the SOL). But I've found that letting the ants and spiders have their way keeps the roach population in control. Much better than "Better living through Chemistry". -dq

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TRS-80 Model 6000

by univac2＠earthlink.net

I am very happy today - I'm finally getting a TRS-80 Model 6000! Anyway I was wondering if anyone has any software for it (it runs Xenix, which it has), or the hardware manual, as I am only getting the Xenix manuals. And if anyone has one of those neat little TRS-80 DT-1 terminals for it, I'd love that.

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Couple of items available . . .

by cfandt＠netsync.net

I've got four Iomega Bournoulli Boxes, model A210H, if anybody wants them. I can maybe think of a few bits to swap for them but that doesn't matter. I just need the room (as several list members who've visited us can attest) and want them to go to a new home. I can ship but just reimburse me for the shipping cost and maybe purchase of a proper shipping carton or two as needed. Seem to weigh 15 to 20 lbs. each. Zip code 14701. Also, any interest in several IBM 3287 printers? Dot matrix 132 column page printers which use SNA network interface. Thanks, Chris -- -- NNNN Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.antiquewireless.org/

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Cats around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

I will pass, thanks. ;) On December 13, Merle K. Peirce wrote: > I suppose that means you wouldn't want to borrow my Rat Archduke recipe? > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Dave McGuire wrote: > > > On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. > > > > -Dave > > > > -- > > Dave McGuire > > St. Petersburg, FL > > > > M. K. Peirce > > Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc. > Shady Lea, Rhode Island > > "Casta est quam nemo rogavit." > > - Ovid > > -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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USENET from 1981 to present on google

by Huw.Davies＠kerberos.davies.net.au

At 07:34 AM 13/12/2001 -0500, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: >*REplies* to my first posts are there, but not the posts themselves... The first post I recall making in 1987 is there. This was just after Australia got a reliable 19.2K modem link to the US but before TCP/IP had taken hold. From the address I used (huw(a)latcs1.oz) we were still using SUN-II as the network protocol. Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)kerberos.davies.net.au | "If God had wanted soccer played in the | air, the sky would be painted green"

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if you hadn't already known this about the PDP-8

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> This is hillarious! Wasn't the notion of a stack arond already > before 1965? Sometimes, even when stacks were provided in hardware, they operated slower than a "simulation" of a stack using an array and an index. While the hardware might provide for a complex stack frame for the data needed by local activations, you could avoid all the overhead by rolling your own. Regards, -dq

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Tandy 3.5" floppy and NEC 8201A

by spectre＠stockholm.ptloma.edu

I read on a website that the Tandy 3.5" floppy intended for the M100/200 series can be connected and driven by an NEC 8201A. This seems feasable and I find my 8201A much more portable than the M200 that I also have. However, the guy never responded to my E-mail. What would I need to set this up? I do have the original RS-232 cable. What I don't have are any kind of DOS disks. -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)stockholm.ptloma.edu -- Any clod can have the facts, but having an opinion is an art. -- C. McCabe -

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if you hadn't already known this about the PDP-8

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Doc wrote: > > A firewall with a video card? Gotta love them PCs. ;) > > Yeah... Most distros don't even have a headless install option, and not > all PCs will even complete a POST without a video card. But more > relevant is the fact that hardly anybody I know, even the geeks, knows > what a null-modem cable is for, let alone own a serial terminal. Fear. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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if you hadn't already known this about the PDP-8

by Richard.Sandwell＠roebry.co.uk

I think the IBM S/360 was 'stack challenged' too, iirc //Rich Hi, I found this really interesting: The PDP-8 has no concept of a stack. It does have sub-routines though. Instead of pushing the instruction pointer onto a stack, it's being written at the location to which the call is directed (first address of the subroutine). Then a return is simply an indirect jump to that first address of the subroutine. This is hillarious! Wasn't the notion of a stack arond already before 1965? fun stuff, isn't it?

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OT: RE: Cats around computers

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Do you (or someone you know) have a pet guinea pig? They were originally domesticated and raised as food, in Peru. I must say a good barbequed cuy (which is what they are called there) is quite tasty, though not much meat on them. -----Original Message----- From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:24 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Cats around computers On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. > > Hey, it's not like I was playing Hannibal Lector to > old Rocket J. himself... Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around compu ters)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I've seen the brown recluse in my home, among several > > other species. Can't always tell which is which but I > > can tell that some are different from others. > > The brown recluse has a very clear fiddle mark on their body. You can't > mistake them for anything else. I've found them in camp showers (eeek). > They are unpleasantly fond of human company. I'll bet you're presbyotic (far-sighted) or have perfect vision, and aren't near-sighted... that or you wear contacts or always wear your glasses.... anything further away than a monitor screen is *usually* a complete blue for me. Plus, isn't the fiddle on their stomach? Should I ask the spider to "present, front and center" so i can check? ;) > The wolf spider is frequently mistaken for a brown recluse even though > they're grey, not brown; they're considerably larger; and they definitely > don't have the fiddle marking. This is unfortunate since people take > shoes and other implements to wolf spiders who are good to have in the > house as they keep insects down to a minimum, and don't bother people. The wolfs are probably what I've got, then... -dq

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around compu ters))

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > > >> > I'll bet you're presbyotic (far-sighted) > > >> > > >> Nit pick time. I think you mean presbyopic. presbyotic would be > > >> someone who can only hear things far away. > > Actually, neither of you are right. Presbyopia is not being able to see > near or far due to lack of accomodative ability caused by age. > Farsightedness is hyperopia. ...and Sridharopia is the desire to hack on a 1GHz PDP11 in a storage locker with an electric heater using an old DOS box as a terminal! :-) There, that was at least *closer* to being on-topic! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around computers)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Jeff Hellige wrote: > The unfortunate thing about the brown recluse is that you > likely won't see it before it bites you and the insides of equipment > that has been out in a shed or something similar is a good place for > them. I'm no longer sure what areas they're common in, but the Ozark > mountains of southern Missouri has their share of them. I found two in my basement in Laurel MD, Jeff... -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I'll bet you're presbyotic (far-sighted) > > Nit pick time. I think you mean presbyopic. presbyotic would be > someone who can only hear things far away. I had not a *clue* how to spell it... how funny that the mispelling turned out to be something! > > Plus, isn't the fiddle on their stomach? Should I ask the spider > > to "present, front and center" so i can check? > > Definitely on the back, hence the common name fiddleback spider. hadn't heard that name might explain why I was able to see them when I was younger tho... but I saw all kinds of things in those "paisley days"....

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around computers))

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Roger Merchberger wrote: > And yes, cow's tongue is very good also, when prepared correctly, but I > never did acquire a taste for the pickled pork hocks... I don't "pretend" > what I like, because I like most everything. Well this is very cool...my sense of "gross" is a little oversensitive I think; I know a few people who don't have any at all...I must admit I'm somewhat jealous of them. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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What's with this Lisa?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey H. Ingber [mailto:jhingber@ix.netcom.com] > I have a similar machine which I would call identical except for the > green-screen. All the "prototype" markings that the auction makes > mention of I have seen seen on my Lisa, as well as the only other one > I've seen. I believe these markings to be common, and that the screen > was a replacement job by a 3rd party. Is this guy > misinformed or am I? Well, I don't know whether they actually implied that the machine was a prototype... Just mentioned the markings as making it "unique." (a very slight distinction, anyway) You're right that they (the markings on the boards) might be common, though I certainly haven't seen any Lisas with green CRTs, myself. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Need manual for Everex digital cassette drive

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > > > just off the center of the top of the cassette, and they have > > > two slide > > > tabs to turn write-protection on/off. Otherwise, it > looks just like a > > > regular analog cassette tape. > > No problem, just file a notch in your "analog" cassette. ;) > Is your data really worth that _little_ that it's not worth > buying the > right tape? Well, any data I'd consider storing on such a strange, you-probably-won't-see-another, device would have to be worth very little, or, more likely, backed up onto CD, DAT, or 8MM. :) That, and where do you suggest one should get "digital cassette" these days? > > I'm not sure that would work, but given the improved > resolution, etc, in > > cassette tapes during the last several years, it just may. > I am pretty sure the coercivity of the tape in the 'digital' > cassettes is > considerably high that that of the tape in normal audio cassettes... Well, again, cassettes have gotten better. Depending on the age of this "digital cassette" technology, it might substitute in a pinch. Speaking of which, anyone remember anything about the VHS tape backup devices? Capacity, systems they'd work with, etc? A friend and I were discussing these a few days ago. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Need manual for Everex digital cassette drive

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Maybe, but doubtful. This was more of a tape backup device. It uses > DIGITAL cassettes. If you've never seen one, they have a square notch > just off the center of the top of the cassette, and they have two slide > tabs to turn write-protection on/off. Otherwise, it looks just like a > regular analog cassette tape. Yeah, I've got a drive from an old Burroughs teller machine... Had a bunch of Burroughs stuff I dumped about five years ago, though I still have a direct-wire 1200 baud modem... -dq

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[PDP8-Lovers] if you hadn't already known this about the PDP-8

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 13, 9:26, Mark Crispin wrote: > Unique? Quite a few processors of that time had a store-PC-and-jump type of > subroutine call. The beloved PDP-10 had three (JSR, JSP, JSA/JRA) and > subsequent enhancements added more (JSYS, XPCW); yet it also had stacks from > its inception. > > Contemporary programming languages, such as BASIC and FORTRAN, did not use > stack subroutines. It's possible that modern BASIC and FORTRAN compilers may > permit recursive subroutine calls, but doing so is still prohibited by the > language specification. Now you know why. That's not wholly true; FORTRAN prior to FORTRAN-90 prohibits recursion but it's a required feature in FORTRAN 90. I don't believe it's actually prohibited in BASIC of the mid-to-late 60's. There were certainly inplementations in the early 70s that allowed it, and it's a feature of the modern standards (both de-facto and ANSI). Recursion was also a (required) feature of ALGOL in 1958, and its successors, as was stack-based evaluation. However, in support of Mark, it's worth noting that the main reason there's no recursion allowed in FORTRAN, and it almost was omitted from the original ALGOL spec, was that it was hard for people to understand how it could be implemented across a variety of architectures. Stacks had been around since the mid-50s but lots of machines provided no specific support for them. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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1GHz PDP-11 (Re: Prints for an 11/70)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I bought a CGA-compatible video cards a few years back > > (80s), that had an incompatible hi-res mode in addition > > to the CGA, and a mouse interface. > > > > The manual kept referring to "the connector of the ten ways". > > This sounded *SO* Zen that I was sure than once I had it > > figured it, it'd be the secret to life. > > > > Finally dawned on me that this was "10-pin connector". > > In the UK (I have no idea if the expression is used in the States), the > term n-way connector is common. It means (of course) an connector with n > indepedant connections. It's often used for things like jack plugs ('phone > plugs' in the States) which don't really have pins. Calling the plug on > the end of a pair of stereo headphones a '3 pin plug' seems strange... Of course, we've some of the same linguistic heritage; but here, that usage's most frequent occurance is in a phrase relating to ways that deviate from each other, i.e. a four-way stop. The four ways all go away from each other. A cable with connectors like that might not be very useful (of course, as soon as I say that I envision an old-style RGB video cable with BNCs each "going their own way." -dq

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around compu ters)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > > This is unfortunate since people take shoes and other implements to > > wolf spiders who are good to have in the house as they keep insects > > down to a minimum, and don't bother people. > > Anything in my house with more than four legs dies. It's as simple as > that. So, the beast with two backs never makes itself seen in your home? ;) -dq

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Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > My Zoology prof claimed to have eaten just about > > eberything on the planet that people make a regular > > habit of eating... grubs were the first thing he > > mentioned. > > Fear. > > I will never understand the "I am cool because I eat, and pretend to > like, things that gross most people out" mentality. Well, although he was a zoologist, I'd agree it's a stretch (wants to know about animals so eats them), but for all I know, he may have wanted to be an anthropologist. It would be quite appropriate and understandable for one o' them to want to give everything a try... He had cancer back in those days, beat it, but I've no idea whether he's still around or not. We never, ever saw him down in the computer center, even though we had some applications we support for the biology department (bringing us back to classic computers). If he ever took to computers, they'd probably have been Macintoshes... -dq

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Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > > > > > > > > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. > > > > > > > > Hey, it's not like I was playing Hannibal Lector to > > > > old Rocket J. himself... > > > > > > Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) > > > > Ok, Ok, you're right, you *won't* find it on the menu > > down at Mickey D's... or Hardups... or Snake n Shake... > > or Food Lion... > > Yes. But I maintain that squirrels are NOT FOOD not because you > won't find them in Food Lion...but you won't find them in Food Lion > because they're NOT FOOD. :) > > > BTW, now that you're _down south_, has anyone turned > > you onto the burgers at Crystal's ? > > I don't believe I've had them yet, no...are they good? > They're sometimes known as "southern sliders"... when you see them, you'll know why... And re: squirrels, lemme tell ya, I wouldn't be alive if they *weren't* food... there were times when squirrel wasn't the usual delicacy, but the only damned thing my ancestors could find to eat. -dq

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around compu ters)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote: > > This is unfortunate since people take shoes and other implements to > > wolf spiders who are good to have in the house as they keep insects > > down to a minimum, and don't bother people. > > Anything in my house with more than four legs dies. It's as simple as > that. I with you there, Jeff. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Info-Vax mailing list messages previous to 1981

by spedraja＠ono.com

Hi again. I've checked CRVAX server but I can't locate what I'm searching... Anybody knows a place where could be located the INFO-VAX mailing list messages previous to 17-May-1981 ? This is the date of the first message gatewayed to the Fa.info-vax newsgroup. If I read correctly the info that appears in http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue3_8/chapter10/ , Usenet began in 1979, and the FA.* groups were gatewayed >from mailing lists to the Usenet newsgroups by the long time closed (1994 if the RIP note of one person that I assume was Keith Bostic was correct) UCBVAX server. Do you heard about some kind of backup or so of these early Usenet and/or mailing lists messages ? By the way, a little swinging in the messages of these years is, like Spock could say without any doubt, "fascinating". By example, one reference to one Datamation of 1981 that did a critic about the Unix interface :-) ,,, or one guy that tried in 1981 to do one list of DBMS for Unix. I don't know if somebody knows cause of direct participation some of these hits. Thanks and Greetings Sergio

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Cats around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > > > > > > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. > > > > > > Hey, it's not like I was playing Hannibal Lector to > > > old Rocket J. himself... > > > > Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) > > Ok, Ok, you're right, you *won't* find it on the menu > down at Mickey D's... or Hardups... or Snake n Shake... > or Food Lion... Yes. But I maintain that squirrels are NOT FOOD not because you won't find them in Food Lion...but you won't find them in Food Lion because they're NOT FOOD. :) > BTW, now that you're _down south_, has anyone turned > you onto the burgers at Crystal's ? I don't believe I've had them yet, no...are they good? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) > > > > Anyone watch FoodTV? I think the show was called Xtreme Food.. One section > showed the guys hunting in their backyard.. Shooting some squirrel.. And how > to cook it... It was called "Squirrel Fricasse" This really was on TV.. > HONEST! I think this was in Louisana... My Zoology prof claimed to have eaten just about eberything on the planet that people make a regular habit of eating... grubs were the first thing he mentioned. > But what looked good was the deep-fried wild turkey. Dunno about wild, but Bob&Tom's domestic deep-fry recipie is a big winner around here... > P.S. I wonder what kind of wine goes good with squirrel? A > couple of bottles before it is set down in front of you??! Oh, Ripple, Richard's, MD2020 if you need Kosher... -dq

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Need manual for Everex digital cassette drive

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Maybe, but doubtful. This was more of a tape backup device. It uses > DIGITAL cassettes. If you've never seen one, they have a square notch > just off the center of the top of the cassette, and they have > two slide > tabs to turn write-protection on/off. Otherwise, it looks just like a > regular analog cassette tape. No problem, just file a notch in your "analog" cassette. ;) I'm not sure that would work, but given the improved resolution, etc, in cassette tapes during the last several years, it just may. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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1GHz PDP-11 (Re: Prints for an 11/70)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 12, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > If it topped out at 7 MBps, it was probably because the bus handshake was > > clocked with a CPU clock, in order to ensure the CPU would "see" the > > transitions. > > I am reminded of my favorite piece of broken english, found in a > Taiwanese PeeCee motherboard manual many years ago: > > "If use 387 coprocessor, the clocked by CPU clock." > > No, I made no typos there. :-) I bought a CGA-compatible video cards a few years back (80s), that had an incompatible hi-res mode in addition to the CGA, and a mouse interface. The manual kept referring to "the connector of the ten ways". This sounded *SO* Zen that I was sure than once I had it figured it, it'd be the secret to life. Finally dawned on me that this was "10-pin connector". -dq

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Internet Historical Documents Translation

by spedraja＠ono.com

Hello. A short note to thanks the help about Google Usenet Groups. I probed the &Filter=0 and works :-) I want to begin a project with a large projection in time. I want to translate to spanish language all the historical and classic computer documents I can. I should like to begin with articles, files and documents of relevance about the Internet, but I am thinking in mirror some classic computers websites translating them to my idiom. I don't know if anybody could be interested about it and permit to do the mirror and translation. Thanks and Greetings Sergio

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Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > > > > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. > > > > Hey, it's not like I was playing Hannibal Lector to > > old Rocket J. himself... > > Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) Ok, Ok, you're right, you *won't* find it on the menu down at Mickey D's... or Hardups... or Snake n Shake... or Food Lion... BTW, now that you're _down south_, has anyone turned you onto the burgers at Crystal's ? -dq

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Cats around computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! >>! Some people say tape works well to keep them off things ! >>! (sticky side up), but both my cats seem to rather like ! >>! it, and I find they stand on it ! >>! padding at the tape purring happily. ! > ! >They lick the adhesive too? ! ! Not that I have ever seen, they just step and press their ! paws against it ! over and over... kind of like when they are pressing down a pillow to ! sit, or in the case of one of mine, when he is hungry, he jumps on my ! lap, and presses his paws into my sternum over and over until I am ! annoyed (or in enough pain as he does it pretty hard), to get ! up and feed ! him. Well, my 3 1/2 year old cat, Isabelle, like to like tape and pictures. Never figured that one out yet... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. > > Hey, it's not like I was playing Hannibal Lector to > old Rocket J. himself... Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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What's with this Lisa?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >You're right that they (the markings on the boards) might be common, though > >I certainly haven't seen any Lisas with green CRTs, myself. > > Now, I've never tried to replace the CRT in something like a > Lisa or other single piece machine, but I wouldn't think that the CRT > would be that difficult to replace? For companies like Zenith that > actually manufactured CRT's, I could see there possibly be a problem > with swapping it out for a different one though but I know that Apple > didn't manufacture the CRT's in the Lisa. Difficult you mean in terms of finding a replacement, I assume... it *is* fairly easy to replace on in a Mac, procedure-wise, but I had a boxed new Apple replacement to drop in... -dq

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