test-drb December 2001

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by csmith＠amdocs.com

Hi everybody. Still working on those MIPS RISComputers. I've gotten all three to power-up and self-test at least once. The one that's giving me problems came to me marked "bad power supply." Not being one to believe the markings, I tried it, and it powered up fine, did the whole self test, and (due to the lack of any disks) just set there, as you'd expect. So here's the deal. I powered it off, and then back on. The second time, it didn't seem to be getting any power at all -- not even fan-buzz. Would I be right to suspect a loose joint or the like? Is there anything else that might cause the power supply to work sporadically? What's the best way to attack this and get the power-supply fixed? Should I just dig out a multimeter and start checking connections? Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

Booting a VAX 4000-500 from KFQSA SCSI.... ARRRRRGH!!!!!

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

(Grumble)..... I'm getting conflicting information regarding the ability to boot the 4000 >from SCSI devices attached to the KFQSA SCSI adapter. Some people say you can't do it, some say they actually have done it. I have a DEC RRD-43AA CD-ROM drive, and have it connected to an external SCSI box with a cable from it to the KFQSA adapter. Onboard the 4000 are two DSSI drives. The 4000 is able to recognize and assign device identifiers to the ethernet port and the two DSSI drives, but has no clue ragarding anything attached to the SCSI (KZQSA) card. Is there anything I need to do with the "VMB" to make it recognize the CD-ROM drive, or am I missing a step? I'm attempting to boot the 4000 from the CD-ROM and start the VMS 6 installation process. Thanks! - Matt Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

23 years, 11 months

DS5000/1xx & VS4000/60 memory specs

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

I'm looking for detailed module specs for the vaxstation 4000, and probably for the decstation 5000/1xx. I have a pile of 32M modules that my supplier thought work in a vs4k, but they don't. While I can't find any references to the labeling, y'alls' best guess seems to be that they are ram for a decstation 5000/1xx. I'd like to find out if the difference is something that can be modified, to make them compatible with the VAX. Failing that, if I can verify that they really are DS modules, I can sell them. The SIMMs themselves are from several different lots, but the common label, which looks like a DEC/Compaq P/N to me, is 33522947-001. Lastly, what's a 32M SIMM worth? I've got a little over $25 each in these. If they're worth that, I'll convert or sell them, if not I'll return them as misrepresented. Doc

23 years, 11 months

RSTS/E on a PDP 11/34?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Barr [mailto:stanb@dial.pipex.com] > If you could attach an 8-inch disk to a PC (or a 5 1/4 inch > one to a PDP) > it _should_ be possible to create a boot disk using Paul Koning's FLX > utility, which allows a PC to read/write and create RSTS disks. Actually, you can do either, and my PDP happens to have 5.25" disks in the first place. :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

Intermittent(?) power-supply trouble

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

At 12:55 PM 12/27/01 -0600, you wrote: >So here's the deal. I powered it off, and then back on. The second time, >it didn't seem to be getting any power at all -- not even fan-buzz. > >Would I be right to suspect a loose joint or the like? Is there anything >else that might cause the power supply to work sporadically? Best source for finding loose solder joints is to look at the board in question...

23 years, 11 months

OT: Rackmount slider kit for IBM Netfinity 5100

by vcf＠vintage.org

I have a new rackmount slider kit for the IBM Netfinity 5100. This is the kit that came with the unit so that you can rackmount it. The part number on the box is 09N7484. It'll probably work with other cases in the 5x00 series. Best offer by Jan. 2 gets it. Otherwise, it probably gets recycled. Please reply privately (I know you will ;) Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 11 months

RSTS/E on a PDP 11/34?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Ok, cool. How can I get RSTS/E boot media? How do I find > out what device > my 11/34 will boot from? It has an RK05, RK05f and two 8" > floppy drives. I don't know. :) Let me know if you find any. I have an 11/75 that would love to run RSTS/E. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

Apple Questions...

by rhudson＠cnonline.net

Can I somehow... A. Get Dos3.3 to run on 3.5 disk? or B. Get the renumber program from DOS 3.3 to run under Prodos? Thanks!

23 years, 11 months

Intermittent(?) power-supply trouble

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sipke de Wal [mailto:sipke@wxs.nl] > If it is a switching PSU you'll propably need to load it > in order to have it function properly. I always use an old > defuncty HD for this purpose ..................... > Chances are that if the load is not large enough it will shut > itself down, while it may still be a OK PSU. I thought that may be the case too, but one of the working units is missing the tape drive (which this unit has...) and still functions properly. Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

RSTS/E on a PDP 11/34?

by vcf＠vintage.org

This may be a dumb question but... Will RSTS/E (specifically) RSTS/E-V7.0/07 run on a PDP 11/34? Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *

23 years, 11 months

PDP8/A memory problems, what to do?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 26, 18:21, Ethan Dicks wrote: > --- Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> wrote: > > > It's not cool like core, but did anyone ever come up with a modern > > > battery-backed-up SRAM board? > > > > Yes, I've got one. It even has a connector to link to an interface in a > > PC, so you can squirt (or suck) data in (or out) directly. > > That's a cool feature. You got docs? Is this commercial or homebrew? > How about a digital picture? 75dpi scan? It's a commercial 4-layer board. The legend says "Tellima Technology Ltd (C) 1995", "PC03753". It has a couple of surface-mount KM68100 SRAMs, but the most prominent features are the two Actel 1020 FPGAs. It also has 6 x 8837 and 3 x 8838 interface ICs, a pair of 74HCT244's, 2 x 74HCT160 and a 74HCT161, a MAX695, a 16MHz oscillator, a 3V 1/2AA lithium cell, a littl daughterboard with some inteface chips, and the 26-way header for the PC interface. The PC interface is a small 4-layer ISA card "PC03285-C", with a couple of Actel 1010's, a few small SMDs, 2 x 74HCT160 and a 74HCT161, and a 26-pin header on the backplate. Interestingly, it also has space for a 132-pin SMD device, several smaller SMDs, eight ZIP devices, and a couple of 8-pin miniDINs. I don't have a scanner, at least not one that works. Nor a digital camera, except my Indycams, which aren't exactly high resolution. I'll see what I can do... -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 11 months

RSTS/E on a PDP 11/34?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Ah ha. Ok, so then my next question is, if I had some > version of RSTS/E, > could I read files on disks from other versions? Are they basically > interchangeable? I think it uses FILES-11/ODS-1, which means that you can share disks among RSTS/E systems and RSX-11 systems. VMS will also read and write them if I'm not mistaken. At least it should read them. VMS uses ODS-2 natively, though. I also have the FILES-11/ODS-1 spec in electronic form. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

add-on CPU load meters

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/27/01 11:35:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, erd_6502(a)yahoo.com writes: > I found that. More than once. That's for an LED bargraph. I'm > looking for a circuit that operates an old-fashioned galvanometer- > style panel meter with a needle that swings from side-to-side. > > I can invent my own - a simple ladder D-to-A to produce a variable > voltage out of the parallel port. I was hoping to save the math > and use resistor values that someone else has calculated, but after > two days of searching, I guess I _will_ have to go do it myself. > > Somewhere in my junk boxes, I have some .5" tall by 1.5" wide signal > meters that I think I pulled from a dead CB radio, c. 1978 (pre-40- > channel). The plane of the needle swing is parallel to the floor, > and the needle has a 90-degree bend at the end, so you see a .2" > tall vertical line slide from left to right as the signal improves. > If I can find it, it'll mount perfectly in a 3.5" blank faceplace. > > Now to excavate the old parts! > > -ethan > > Well, please let us know if and how you get this working. I would love to have something like this as well! -Linc. In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

23 years, 11 months

PDP8/A memory problems, what to do?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 26, 18:18, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > --- Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> wrote: > > On Dec 26, 14:20, Gunther Schadow wrote: > > > > > My first PDP-8 program is a memory test... > > > > Good idea. I meant to mention in my followup to Ethan, that the > > diagnostics are also available, at > > > > http://pdp-8.org/papertape/ > > Nice. Fortunately for me, I have several boxes of DEC diagnostic tapes > (nothing unusual, but I'll check my list against what you have) I don't deserve any credit for the tapes and docs online -- they're the fruits of serveral other people's labours :-) pdp8.org is Aaron Nabil's site, and David Gesswien provides the docs at www.pdp8.net > At the moment, I think I have an M865 that works and an M8650 that may > or may not work. If I'm forced to use 20mA, I guess I'll have to dig > up a genuine IBM 8-bit serial card and mod it to switch it to current > loop. You probably know you can use an M8650 in RS232 mode. If you don't have a BC01V cable wired for RS232, Doug Jones' site has an excellent diagram, and a useful document explaining how to set up the baud rate etc (BTW, the note about changing the capacitor value for baud rates other than 110 only applies to current-loop operation). How different is an M865? Is it only current-loop? http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/hard8e/ -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 11 months

UnCursing the Darkness.

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 26, 21:39, John Allain wrote: > I recently bought 2 each of all the white LED's that Jameco > sells. While *white*s are OT, they are nonetheless impressive. > The light density, efficiency, color, and longevity they have is > pretty amazing, to me anyway. Jameco rated them at 4 foot > candles at 20ma, which seemed a little 'opto'mistic. > I tried them out, and they reach near peak light at more like > 180ma, getting just noticeaby warm. At 250ma they are > 'uncomfortably' warm, hence question: > Did they really mean 20ma? at that proportion they're > putting out <10% peak, but 180ma is WAY above spec, > Jameco's spec anyway. So I guess Jameco's wrong? > Could I be loosing lifespan at this current? Maybe the > not-too-warm test is good enough? I had a look in my Farnell catalogue. Most of the white LEDs they stock are rated between 400 and 5600 mcd (millicandelas) at between 20mA. 20mA seems to be a standard current to quote the light output at, for most LEDs, not just white. However, Farnell also give lots of other data, including the maximum rated forward current, and the highest for any of the white LEDs is 30mA (made by Infineon and Multicomp). I don't think you should let them get warm :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 11 months

Will someone delete me from this email list please as the commands do not work!!

by jamie＠rbattison.freeserve.co.uk

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23 years, 11 months

RSTS/E on a PDP 11/34?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 26, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > This may be a dumb question but... > > Will RSTS/E (specifically) RSTS/E-V7.0/07 run on a PDP 11/34? Dunno if this will be useful, but I ran RSTS/E v9.4 on a PDP11/34a for a long time.. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

23 years, 11 months

PAL introduction (was MITS 2SIO serial chip)

by pcw＠mesanet.com

The PAL was introduced in 1978, Other types of programmable logic devices were available earlier, (FPLA's for example) Here is a quote from one of the PAL's inventors (Andy Chan -- now at QuickLogic) "MMI's PAL was designed to overcome the problems associated with FPLA that made it difficult for end users. A proprietary programmer was necessary and a cumbersome inputting process (creating the design in Boolean equations, translating them into a bitmap and typing that into a machine that generated a paper tape for the programmer to read) meant that if the design didn't work, it was impossible to know at what step something went awry. Our PAL was faster and used less power, but the main improvement was in its ease of use, Chan said, noting that the first PAL chip was introduced in 1978." PCW

23 years, 11 months

PDP8/A memory problems, what to do?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 26, 12:08, Ethan Dicks wrote: > --- Gunther Schadow <gunther(a)aurora.regenstrief.org> wrote: > Good idea. I have a couple of quick routines I use as a basic > check-out, once I know I can read and write from/to field 0 > reliably - one is an inchworm for blinkenlights (or a counter > for the -8/a) I do that too. I also have a couple of very short toggle-in programs for the console serial line, one of which echos what you type. The last item I have that might be useful is a uploader that sends files, either plain or papertape images, to the RIM or BIN loaders -- it's on Kevin McQuiggin's page at http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/pdp8/software/new-send.c > > The third 16k board > > plays the high fields 4 to 7, but it has a systematic > > error masking out bits 6 and 7. > Well... I doubt the core planes are bad, but I suppose it's possible. > I would suspect the bus buffers first, then, depending on the exact nature > of the problem there are failure modes of the inhibit drivers that could > whack your bits as they pass through a memory read cycle, but that's > not horribly likely. > > The trick is to sit there with the schematics and generate write cycles > and read cycles through the front panel as your trace the flow of bits > through the memory. I'd agree with that. It's more likely a logic problem than a core mat problem. > It's not cool like core, but did anyone ever come up with a modern > battery-backed-up SRAM board? I'm thinking of discussions of a few > years ago and talk about a quad-width OMNIBUS board w/2x62256 SRAMs. > Cheap to make (not counting a 1 sq. ft PCB), but compared to what we > used to pay for RAM...) and made with modern components. It may have > all been discussion without even a schematic generated, but I had to > ask. Yes, I've got one. It even has a connector to link to an interface in a PC, so you can squirt (or suck) data in (or out) directly. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 11 months

PDP8/A memory problems, what to do?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 26, 14:20, Gunther Schadow wrote: > My first PDP-8 program is a memory test, and I was glad I > did it because I found a problem. My test goes through all > memory fields and writes into each cell its address in the > field. Then it reads that address out of each field again > and so finds problems. Good idea. I meant to mention in my followup to Ethan, that the diagnostics are also available, at http://pdp-8.org/papertape/ and the corresponding documentation is available at http://www.pdp8.net/query_docs/query_all.html The papertape images have headers, and the way the BIN loader works, you need to strip the ASCII header but leave at least part of the top-bit-set leader part at beginning and end. The "send" program I mentioned will take care of that. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 11 months

OT: Older inventory programs for home computers

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/26/01 8:23:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, lgwalker(a)mts.net writes: << A local general purpose mechanic who mainly works on Ski-doos in the winter and pumps and everything else in the summer gave me a complete Adam (!) collecting dust on the shelf, when I told him I collect computers. He mentioned he could use an old box to keep track of his parts inventory if I had any spares. I volunteered to supply him with something that would serve simple needs thinking of everything from a C-64 to an A2 or an XT to a 386 and that there must be 100s of programs that would be available. And no I don't want to configure a Database program. I did a Google search and found only the newest Gee-Whiz Winblows 9x, 2k, XP, and OSX programs, and while I haven't searched Simtel, out of frustration I've decided to defer to the list about older programs to track inventory and if it also has billing and labour, so much the better. Any suggestions would be appreciated. It would serve as an example that older machines don't have to be delegated to land-fills. This area is in north- central Manitoba,Canada and not exactly a hotbed of technology. The temperature at present is -20 C, but the air is breathable. >> I do have an inventory prorgam with pretty modest system requirements, but pretty much seems to be designed for home inventory and such.

23 years, 11 months

FW: VAX 3900 Free to Good Home

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

If I was closer, it'd be mine... :-( --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] ! Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 3:41 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org (E-mail); NetBSD/Vax Mail List (E-mail) ! Subject: Re: FW: VAX 3900 Free to Good Home ! ! ! ! *sigh*, this has to happen a month and a half after I move out of ! Laurel... :-( ! ! -Dave ! ! On December 26, David Woyciesjes wrote: ! > I'm sure someone here would want this... ! > ! > Subject: VAX 3900 Free to Good Home ! > Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 22:40:56 -0500 ! > From: Chuck McCrobie <mccrobie(a)cablespeed.com> ! > Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com ! > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms, comp.sys.dec ! > ! > As a testament to Digitial engineering, I have a VAX 3900 ! that's been ! > sitting in my garage for 3 1/2 years that just booted up! ! > ! > CONDITIONS: ! > ! > Machine must be picked up in its entirety - ALL OR NOTHING ! > Local pickup only - I don't want to ship this beast ! > ! > LOCATION: ! > ! > Laurel, MD 20724 ! > ! > You will need a large sedan, pickup, or similar vehicle. ! The external ! > frame has been modified to come apart, so loading it will be easy. ! > ! > PARTICULARS: ! > ! > VAX 3900 - CPU - (Big cabinet) KA655-AA (M7625-AA) ! > 32 MB RAM - MEMORY - MS650-BA (M7622-A) ! > DESQA-SA - Ethernet - (M3127-PA) ! > CXY08-M - 8 line Terminal controller - (M3119-YA) ! > USD 1108 QBUS->SCSI Controller - in passthrough mode ! > * This is a NON-DISCONNECTING controller - yes, I ! have the manual! ! > TQK70 - tape controller - (M7559-00) ! > * DRIVE IS _BROKEN_ ! > KDA50 - disk controller - (M7164-00 & M7165-00) ! > CMD 200 TM QBUS->SCSI Controller ! > * Yes, I have the manual ! > RA90 Drive (1.2GB) - Big and slow, but after 3 1/2 years idle time, ! > still works ! > TK70 - tape drive - BROKEN ! > ! > NOTES: ! > ! > The CMD 200 TM recognized a newer SCSI CD-ROM and booted ! VMS 7.1 install ! > kit. ! > ! > Machine currently boots VMS 5.5-2. ! > ! > CXY08 and DESQA have NOT been tested, but were working. ! > ! > ! > --- David A Woyciesjes ! > --- C & IS Support Specialist ! > --- Yale University Press ! > --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu ! > --- (203) 432-0953 ! > --- ICQ # - 905818 ! > ! ! -- ! Dave McGuire ! St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf !

23 years, 11 months

Anti-Static Foil?

by rhblakeman＠kih.net

I do it all of the time, works fine. Stuff with onboard batteries it might hurt though if the battery is left in, so I put a sheet of thin cardboard across the bottom on the board (solder side) ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Doc Shipley <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> Reply-To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 17:17:54 -0600 (CST) >Hi. > I think I've made a trade for a CPU, memory, and a graphics board for >the ex-MVII in the garage. The guy daid that he doesn't have anti-static >bags to ship the boards in, and asked if I thought wrapping them in >aluminum foil would do. > Any suggestions? > > Doc > >

23 years, 11 months

Anti-Static Foil?

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Hi. I think I've made a trade for a CPU, memory, and a graphics board for the ex-MVII in the garage. The guy daid that he doesn't have anti-static bags to ship the boards in, and asked if I thought wrapping them in aluminum foil would do. Any suggestions? Doc

23 years, 11 months

720k floppy

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I've located 35 disks. Do you want them? -----Original Message----- From: Golemancd(a)aol.com [mailto:Golemancd@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 6:07 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: 720k floppy anyone know where i can find some 720k floppies thanks Joee

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