test-drb December 2001

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DQ614: was Re: What did you ask "Santa" ...

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

> I can't believe it. > > This success suppose to me to change some of my > thinkings about the life, the religion and other matters. > By example: Santa Claus exists ? Etcetera. I'll Second that!!! > >> One Dilog DQ614 driver disk for RT-11. I have > >> one of these boards inoperative because I can't > >> configure it. > > > >Was it Zane or Ethan who was also looking for this? Only for a few years :^) > >Well, it's a bit late, but I have an extra Christmas present for you guys. > > You'll find the diagnostic and formatter program, along with a diagram of > >the board, and the jumper tables, at > > > > http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/DQ614/ Amazing! Now the question is, does anyone know which HD's will work with this? I just might have to go digging through storage in the very near future! The other question is, once the disk is formated, does it matter what you use for an OS on it, or does it need to be RT-11? I was hoping to be able to use this board for OS's that expect RL02's instead of MSCP disks. Zane

23 years, 11 months

NCD 88k Boot monitor

by darek-ss＠wp.pl

Hi, I've got recently 2 old, but great :-) NCD Xstations 88k & 88kP6 based on Motorola 88100 processor. Unfortunately theirs network cards are without Boot Manager EPROMS ... Does anyone could help me and tell where I can find such EPROM or or just the image file which I can use to program one ? BM from HMX & HMXPro doesn't work because it is made for R4xxx processor. Darek ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Zapro? znajomych na czata! Wy?lij SMSa z nowego czata WP! Czat.wp.pl - Jedyny czat z ludzk? twarz? < http://czat.wp.pl >

23 years, 11 months

VS4000 hardware questions

by doc＠mdrconsult.com

Well, I made room on my bench, opened up my grubby, new-to-me 4000/60, and it only has one of the two RZ24 drives my partner paid for. I've fired off email to the vendor asking him to ship the drive and mounting hardware, but I don't expect that he'll have either. What does DEC call the flat metal plate that the hard disk bolts onto? "Mounting bracket"? Does anyone have a spare? I figure I'll have to settle for a newer narrow SCSI drive and the price of the mounting hardware, if it's available. Lastly, while I'm wading through all the Google hits, are there any good reference sites for this box? This is the first 4000 I've been into, and I'd like a map. Doc

23 years, 11 months

What did you ask "Santa" for this year.... : )

by spedraja＠ono.com

I can't believe it. This success suppose to me to change some of my thinkings about the life, the religion and other matters. By example: Santa Claus exists ? Etcetera. But, by the moment, in case this driver works, I can put you in my list of fortunate with one bottle of Red Wine >from Spain, variety Rioja. Thanks and Greetings Sergio -----Mensaje original----- De: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> Para: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Fecha: viernes, 28 de diciembre de 2001 21:04 Asunto: Re: What did you ask "Santa" for this year.... : ) >On Jan 6, 16:33, SP wrote: > ^^^^^^ >Someone needs to set their clock... it was Dec 22, actually > >> One Dilog DQ614 driver disk for RT-11. I have >> one of these boards inoperative because I can't >> configure it. > >Was it Zane or Ethan who was also looking for this? > >Well, it's a bit late, but I have an extra Christmas present for you guys. > You'll find the diagnostic and formatter program, along with a diagram of >the board, and the jumper tables, at > > http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/DQ614/ > >It would have been done on Christmas Eve, but my RX02 drives needed a >severe talking to, along with the 11/23 they are on. > >-- >Pete Peter Turnbull > Network Manager > University of York

23 years, 11 months

WYSE terminals

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>It might help. Assuming the modular keyboards are the same. :) <http://www.mythtech.net/wysekey.gif> Sorry for my very crude drawing. The RJ has a cable hanging off it that ties to CPU chassis for ground, so the RJ side really ends up with 5 connectors (4 in the plug, plus 1 for tail) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 11 months

What 's a 3Com 3c515 worth these days?

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

There were very few *ISA* 10/100 NICs ever made. The 3C515 is one of them. One of the local junk shops has a couple behind the counter. They are marked $20. I have no idea if that's a reasonable price or if they are gouging (they also have some used RTC8139-based boards next to them for $7, for comparison). Holger Kruse was considering adding support under Miami for a 3C515 on a GG2 Bus+, but at the time, 3c515 boards were unobtanium, and they wouldn't be fast, anyway. The only reason to really use an ISA 10/100 card is if you have a non-PCI machine, and your network infrastructure is 100 *only* (I have a 4-port 100BaseT hub from NetGear, for instance - it was cheap at the time). Just curious, but not curious enough to drop $20 up front. -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com

23 years, 11 months

720k floppy

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't you simply cover the hole >(with tape) on a 1.44mb floppy to make a 720 mb diskette? >Obvisously the hole is the one that isn't the write protect >one (i.e. doesn't have the slide tab). I can tell you, ignoring all the "technical" issues, based purely on experience... this is a BAD idea. It will work... for a while, but you are almost guarenteed that the disk will fail eventually. I don't have ANY that have worked long term... and I still do this trick from time to time when I need a 720k disk briefly... it is always easier for me to just convert a 1.44 then it is for me to dig out a 720k. They usually work long enough for me to copy a file to and from the disk... but within a few reads and writes, it will die. Reformatting will refresh it for a few more reads and writes... but again, it will die shortly. So if your data is important, DON'T do this. There are companies that still sell DD disks brand new, I would just hunt one down, and buy a bunch. -c

23 years, 11 months

Aim65 Haul/housecleaning

by rcini＠optonline.net

Hello, all: Happy holidays to all! I made a quick stop in Northern New Jersey this morning for a load of AIM65 stuff from a guy who used to manufacture a custom insurance rating computer that used the AIM as the base board. In short, this is what I got: * 8 AIM65 main boards in various states of cannibalism. 5 have displays. Different manufacturing dates, one a late-model with two high-density RAM chips in place of the 2114s. * Bag of printer parts and about 5 printers in various stages of rebuilding. * Case+ of paper * 2 Memory Plus boards * 1 EPROM programmer * 5 spare keyboards, all missing keys * 3 metal bases * 5 blow-molded case tops * Assembly hardware and related items * 4 full tubes of 2114 RAM chips * 7 full tubes of 2532 EPROMS I will be "auctioning" off to the group the bases and tops as well as some of the main boards. I will keep a small amount of the spares for my own AIM and all of the chips. I also have three books up for grabs: * A Programmer's Viwe of the Intel 432 System (Organick) * Inside Commodore DOS (Immers) * MicroC/OS-II RTOS book with disk (Labrosse) If anyone is interested in any of the three case sets, some of the spare keyboards or main boards or any of the books, please contact me off-list. Rich Rich Cini Collector of classic computers Build Master for the Altair32 Emulation Project Web site: http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/ /************************************************************/

23 years, 11 months

WYSE terminals

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Chris [mailto:mythtech@Mac.com] > I don't know about the terminals, but I have a Wyse 386 that was > originally designed to use a modular RJ-11 keyboard plug. Someplace I > have an adaptor that converts it to a DIN-5 for use with an > AT keyboard > (moves the 4 RJ pins, and has another wire that clips to the computer > frame to provide ground). > If it is of any help, I am sure I can find the adaptor and > tell you the > pinout for it. It might help. Assuming the modular keyboards are the same. :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

WYSE terminals

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I have a WYSE terminal with a modular keyboard receptacle, and a keyboard >with a DIN-ish plug. Any chance I can crimp a modular end on it and use it? I don't know about the terminals, but I have a Wyse 386 that was originally designed to use a modular RJ-11 keyboard plug. Someplace I have an adaptor that converts it to a DIN-5 for use with an AT keyboard (moves the 4 RJ pins, and has another wire that clips to the computer frame to provide ground). If it is of any help, I am sure I can find the adaptor and tell you the pinout for it. -c

23 years, 11 months

Power Series

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Foust [mailto:jfoust@threedee.com] > What Mark is saying is that there's at least two different kinds of > rendering, and people sometimes chose SGIs for one reason but > not the necessarily the other. One, you might like to have > fast processors and hardware acceleration of textured polygons > for the real-time view of your 3D data. Example users would > include military simulation, virtual reality, flight simulators, etc. True enough. Also true that these days, SGI-style graphics hardware is usually more necessary for the "scientific visualization" crowd, than for animation. Most animation I've seen done recently was (at least in bulk) rendered non-real-time, probably on a render-farm of some kind. > The second group, 3D computer animators making special effects > and movies, they not only need the real-time stuff during > the modeling stage, but they also appreciated the raw horsepower > when it came to rendering, which is usually a purely software-based > operation. Of course, originally, SGI (and possibly Intergraph) was the only game in town ;) These days other manufacturers have graphics that may be "good enough," especially if you can't afford an (what is it now?) "Infinite Reality 2," or the like. > If you pick up an old SGI box, if you were extremely lucky > you might get an old animation package that does the modeling > and the rendering. They were usually keyed to the SGI box's > unique CPU ID. You might get the CDs but no key, and you're > out of luck. Unless you have a debugger and some spare time ;) > I must remind the younger folks out there that as recently > as less than ten years ago, you'd see animators taking out > six-figure loans to buy the SGI and software they needed to > run their shop, for just one or two animators. :-) Again, SGI was likely the only thing you could get as recently as "less than ten years ago" that had the graphics power for even the "modeling" stage. People have begun to take 3d acceleration for granted now that they have their Matrox GWhiz 5, or their Nvidia TTL 3, or whatever. :) Nobody stops to think where people got the power to do the kinds of operations for which these things allow you to use a standard (read: piece of junk ;) intel peesee (and more) several years past. > On the other hand, SGI distributed lots and lots of source > code and demos, and had a few unkeyed applications that may > run on the box you got if you get the CDs. These include > real-time interactive demos and apps. They'd give away > these annual "Hot Mix" CDs at trade shows by the stack. > I have a bunch I should eBay someday. Got one or two, myself, and they're amusing if nothing else. I've also downloaded the "FSN" filemanager from SGIs FTP site, which is entertaining. (for the uninitiated, this is the 3d file-manager that they showed in "Jurassic Park." > Given that SGI Indy boxes are going for less than $100 these > days, if you ever had an itch to see what they were all about, > you no longer have any excuses. Personally, I wouldn't get an Indy with 8-bit graphics if I could help it, which means you'd pay slightly more than 100 in most cases, but that's still not bad at all. On the other hand, Indys don't have much graphics horsepower. I'd recommend something with at least a Z-Buffer, myself. Indigo2 is a really good deal these days. ... and let's face it, a graphics subsystem isn't a graphics subsystem unless it takes at least three boards ;) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

add-on CPU load meters

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! .... but after ! two days of searching, I guess I _will_ have to go do it myself. ! ! Somewhere in my junk boxes, I have some .5" tall by 1.5" wide signal ! meters that I think I pulled from a dead CB radio, c. 1978 (pre-40- ! channel). The plane of the needle swing is parallel to the floor, ! and the needle has a 90-degree bend at the end, so you see a .2" ! tall vertical line slide from left to right as the signal improves. ! If I can find it, it'll mount perfectly in a 3.5" blank faceplace. ! ! Now to excavate the old parts! This is a neat project... keep us informed... :) --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

23 years, 11 months

WYSE terminals

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Hello, Can anyone tell me how different the WYSE keyboards with the DIN-style plug are from the keyboards with the modular plug? I have a WYSE terminal with a modular keyboard receptacle, and a keyboard with a DIN-ish plug. Any chance I can crimp a modular end on it and use it? Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 11 months

One More PCB Dishwasher Question

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! >Many of the HP cards have paper stickers indicating ! >part number, revision, etc. Any thoughts on preserving ! >these through a dishwasher cycle? Or should I just ! >gently hand rinse? THanks! ! > ! ! I'd think ANY cleaning would put them at risk. If you don't ! want to loose ! the information, better document it somewhere. What about re-creating the labels, using the Avery label sheets? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

23 years, 11 months

VAX 4000-200's on eBay.de

by spedraja＠ono.com

> I would not pay more than EUR 50,- for a MV4k200 like that. Even EUR > 50,- is high for only 16MB RAM, 200MB disk, TK70 and no other > peripherals. 501 Euros, final price of the auction. If somebody in the USA can send me a pallet of them for $100 everyone (final price shipping included) to the Madrid airport to put them in auction, I shall be very happy. With this range of prices I even can earn money. It's incredible. Sergio

23 years, 11 months

PDP8/A memory problems, what to do?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 27, 8:14, Ethan Dicks wrote: > --- Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> wrote: > > It's a commercial 4-layer board. The legend says "Tellima Technology Ltd > > (C) 1995", "PC03753"... > > I had no idea people were making OMNIBUS boards in 1995. That's amazing. > There are still machines in commercial use, but most of them are so deep > inside something else that nobody knows how to upgrade them, let alone > _want_ to change out the old for the new. > > I see they are a British company (http://www.tellima.co.uk) I guess that > means that their products will be a wee bit less common on this side of > the pond. They seem to be rare enough over here! I found Tellima's web site a while ago, and mailed them about the board, but so far haven't had a reply. They're only about 40 miles away from me, so if I get any encouragement >from them, I might pay a visit. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 11 months

PC software/books for shipping

by fernande＠internet1.net

Hello Everyone, I'm cleaning again! -Inside Netware 3.12 5th Edition New Riders Publishing (cd-included) -Microhelp Uninstaller 4 on 3.5" floppies (no box) -Quarterdeck Cleansweep 95 on 3.5" floppies (no box) -Norton utilities for Win95 ver 3.0 (cd and 2 sets of floppies, no manual) -Quicken 6.0 for DOS on 360K floppies in the box (I copied the floppies onto 1 3.5" floppy too) I'm not sure if this is Y2K compliant! -Norton Utilities 8.0 for Win 3.1 and DOS Manual only! -Quarterdeck Manifest manual only! -Quarterdeck QEMM 8 for DOS, Win 3.1, and Win 95 (in the box)(It saved my info in the "registered too" section, but my name doesn't seem to pop up, I used something else) -Basic Apple Basic by James S. Coan Hayden Book Company -Word Perfect 5.1 for Windows "Trade Up from DOS" (It will install without a current install of the DOS version) On 5.25" floppies in box Buyer pays shipping rounded up to the nearest dollar..... I'll probably ship USPS Priority since they'll give me boxes. Please reply off list. Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

23 years, 11 months

One More PCB Dishwasher Question

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 27, 7:03, lee courtney wrote: > Many of the HP cards have paper stickers indicating > part number, revision, etc. Any thoughts on preserving > these through a dishwasher cycle? Or should I just > gently hand rinse? THanks! Hand rinse will do almost as much damage to some labels as the dishwasher. If I wanted to preserve the labels, I would try to take them off. Before you do any of this, make a note of what each one says and exactly where it was! If they're really old, and the glue has dried out, they may come off quite easily, with a little assistance from a scalpel blade or a thin knife, slid under the label. If they're not quite so dried out, white spirit or label remover may soften the glue enough for you to peel them off carefully. Try a corner of *one* first, in case your solvent makes the ink run. Be patient, it takes a while. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 11 months

add-on CPU load meters

by erd_6502＠yahoo.com

With the recent discussions of the Be liquidation sale, I was wracking my brain for the project/website of an *analog* CPU load meter. Someone out there wrote a Linux driver to spit out CPU load on the parallel port, to which is attached a simple ladder-type D-to-A and an analog panel meter for CPU load. I can *not* find this again, even after an hour of Googling, Altavista-ing and Freshmeating. Anybody else remember this? Got any URLs? It would be a blast to watch the needle peg when, say, you fired up a CPU pig of a game or were digesting /usr/spool/news or some such. It would be less interesting on a system running, say, Seti-At-Home where the load is more-or-less constant. -ethan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com

23 years, 11 months

Interesting find today!

by fernande＠internet1.net

I decided to take a trip down to Fort Wayne today, to one of my favorite surplus shops. I found a box of SCO Open Desktop 2.0.0. I don't know anything about this specific version, but I thought it interesting since it is quite removed from the current Caldera offerings. It appears to never have been installed. It only has 6 main disks.... 3 3.5" floppies and 3 5.25" floppies, that have been opened, but I find it hard to believe that they are anything more than boot and drivers disks. It also has 2 more disks, one of each size, these are unopened, and I don't know what they are. I assume that the bulk of the OS is on the Qic24 tape, that is unopened. Unfortunately, I only have two tape drives..... audio cassette, and VHS, and those aren't for the computer :-) I did try the 3.5" boot floppy on two of my computers..... it stops during the hardware detect portion.... maybe because it can't find a tape drive? Chad Fernandez Michigan, USA

23 years, 11 months

Be no more, get a BeBox?

by bpope＠wordstock.com

All, When did the the BeBox originally come out? Check out http://www.be.com ... On January 16th the is going to be a public liquidation auction. Maybe there will be some BeBoxen? Happy Holidaze, Bryan Pope

23 years, 11 months

M865/M8650 (was Re: PDP8/A memory problems, what to do?)

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 27, 8:22, Ethan Dicks wrote: > --- Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> wrote: > > How different is an M865? Is it only current-loop? > > It is different. There is no 40-pin BERG connector - it has a set of > split lugs line a W-076 card and a 18" cable with a standard Mate-n-Lok > connector as seen on KSR-33s and VT220s, etc. I do not recall if I have > any docs on it, but except for the 20mA/EIA differences, I think it's > substantially similar, logically, to the M8650. It's a console port, > only, permanently set to 03/04. I forget if the M8650 is modifyable or > not. The M8650 is, the jumpers on the split lugs near the 'A' fingers set the address. Sounds like you might want something like a DLV11-KA -- that's a 20mA to EIA converter in a little black box about 4" x 2" x 1/2". Actually, that would be overkill; it has a 110 baud generator, reader-run control, and other options. It's meant to add 20mA capability to EIA-only devices like a DLV11-J but it can be used for any RS232-20mA conversion. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 11 months

One More PCB Dishwasher Question

by steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com

> >Many of the HP cards have paper stickers indicating >part number, revision, etc. Any thoughts on preserving >these through a dishwasher cycle? Or should I just >gently hand rinse? THanks! > I'd think ANY cleaning would put them at risk. If you don't want to loose the information, better document it somewhere. SteveRob _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

23 years, 11 months

Image 625x425 pixels

by jrice＠texoma.net

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23 years, 11 months

After Xmas Sale 11/44 wanted

by jpl15＠panix.com

Okay, just bear with me. At one time I had Dec By The Ton. I had Systems in every room of the house save the Loo, because I was afraid the steam >from the shower would hurt Things. And, in the Fulness of Time, I sold my Ton's O' Dec Stuff (and everything else for that matter) and took a job in a Furrin Country. My contract is ending, and I am not going to renew it. I will return to the US to take up yet another New Life in February. "So what's yer point? Get *on* with it, already..." AHEM.. I of course found out that anyone can bury themselves in hardware with no problem at all. That being said, I can't help the fact that I'd like to own a System again. I'd like to buy (and ship) a *WORKING* PDP-11/44 system of some description. Ideally, I'd like to have a >1MW machine with EIS and CIS, one (or two) RL02s, an RX02, and an SMD of some reasonable capacity... four or eight serial lines, and a 9 Track drive w/interface, LA36 and a real VT100 (or two or three)... operating system of course to be wiped completely off any media and I'll write my own in assembler. ;} Again, the machine has to be basically working, ie. booting an OS from mass storage without regular hiccups/glitches. My wish includes media and doc, engineering prints, etc. Major assemblies for spare parts is also on the List. I don't expect find the whole thing in one place (wouldn't *that* be nice) but the core components have to already integrated and 'playing well' with each other. That would be CPU, SMD, RL02, SLU and enough room on the backplane to flesh it out further. I am willing to spend money on this, but on a strictly hobbyist level. I'll be relocating to the Southwest, most likely Arizona, but my schedule will be flexible for making rescue roadtrips. QST QST QST QST: ATTN: classiccmp hams... I will be at Dayton this year... let's organize a classiccmp QSO... whatsay???? I thought to give a heads-up to anyone in the (sort-of) western US as to my Wishlist. I am not interested in any other models than the /44, and, if I can control the addiction this time, I'll stick with a single nicely restored and well-maintained System, rather than a house full of racks gathering dust. Why do I feel like I just fell of the Wagon?? ;} Cheerz Y'all John

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