Robert Schaefer wrote:
>>Here is what you do: If you have a TK70 writable tape, you simply
>>do SAVE EEPROM for those processors that you will update. Then
>>switch to the processor with the prevailing EEPROM image and say
>>UPDATE or UPDATE ALL ... can't remember off the bat here. Just make
>>sure you upgrade them all to the most recent revision.
>>
>
> I'd like to archive a copy of all (both?!?) the versions I have, just to
> keep the bits from fading away. Only trouble is, I only have one, suspect,
> TK70 tape.
You can use TK50 tape as well. Just put them under a bulk-eraser
first. It is said that the media is actually physically the same,
just different labels.
> If I had ole' Betsy booting into NetBSD, I'd just dd an image of
> the tape and reuse it each time, but she don't, and I dunno if it's even
> possible to make a bit-for-bit copy of anything under VMS.
It's less difficult than you think. But I know just what you mean,
VMS is just trying to be too clever :-). But you can do binary
copies, just do this:
$ MOUNT/FOREIGN/BLOCK=512/RECORD=512 MUC6:
$ COPY MUC6: FILE.001
$ COPY MUC6: FILE.002
Now you don't know off hand what the block size on the tape is.
I think, if you pick a block size smaller than the tape's, you
will receive error messages. Experiment with it a little bit.
Analogously, copy as many files as you can, for you don't know
how many files the SAVE EEPROM command has written.
-Gunther
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On December 10, LFessen106(a)aol.com wrote:
> > I think Bill no longer considers it really Sun-specific, Linc..
>
> That's the impression I get as well.
Well, he announced it, and all... 8-)
-Dave
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In a message dated 12/10/01 1:32:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mcguire(a)neurotica.com writes:
> I think Bill no longer considers it really Sun-specific, Linc..
>
> -Dave
>
That's the impression I get as well.
-Linc.
In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.
On December 10, Carlos Murillo wrote:
> So my question to the list is: do you know where to get dsp56001A
> chips? Or better yet, do you have some that you don't plan to use?
I found a small pile of them on eBay about a year ago. I don't
recall how much I paid, but I remember thinking it was pretty cheap.
I may have some left...I will dig for them when I get over to my new
place. Ping me off-list if you don't hear from me by tomorrow.
-Dave
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> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote:
> > Bear in mind that I'm a FORMER smoker, and that there's no Catholic like a
> > convert, as they say ...
> > I've disassembled a number of CDROM drives that clearly suffered from
>
> D'ya mean that retractable ashtray holder?
>
> I once encountered a TRS-80 whose keyboard wasn't working due to a
> chronic accumulation of marijuana seeds that had fallen in.
One for to rot,
One for the crows,
One for the farmer,
and one for the keyboards rows?
-dq
> On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 06:20:52PM -0500, Dave McGuire wrote:
> > Well, by way of explanation... My trademark on the rescue list is to
> > say "Is she cute?" for ANY mention of any sister, wife, female
> > coworker, any female at all. Somehow I didn't think that'd go over
> > very well on this list. In spite of the unbelievably long off-topic
> > threads that occur here, this is definitely a much less "social" and
> > more "down to business" mailing list. ;)
>
> Actually, its "is she cute"? followed by "does she have a
> sister?" 8-)
>
> Bill (admin of the sunrescue list,
> www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue)
Suns got their own rescue list!
(with a nod to Johnny Hart)...
-dq
Not a bad truck... Let's see, 96 S-10? 2WD, right? And does it really _use_
the cowl-induction hood scoop? ;)
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! -----Original Message-----
! From: Daniel A. Seagraves [mailto:DSEAGRAV@toad.xkl.com]
! Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 11:30 PM
! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
! Subject: Re: 11/44 power problem... (Oh, not again...)
!
!
! [Is she cute?]
!
! I dunno. She's my sister. She's more of a pain in the ass
! than anything. ^_^
! http://www.lunar-tokyo.net/pictures/ she's in there somewheres.
!
! -------
!
My mail to this list keeps bouncing, but I'm still getting the digests.
I haven't seen my message in a digest, so I'm assuming no one else saw
it either. So, here we go (again) -- sorry if everyone gets this three
times...
-------- Original Message --------
I've been following this list for some time; however, recent family
emergencies have required me to give up most of my hobbies for some time,
and likely in the future. I'm also having to move rather quickly across
the state and sell my home in Raleigh; I'm selling and giving away a number
of things that I just don't see myself having time to deal with in the near
future.
Among them are several Apollo computers, and stack of misc. hardware (token
ring parts and cables, misc. video and i/o cables, etc). and a very large
stack of documentation.
There are free (unless you feel compelled to make a donation to the feed-
a-Chuck fund). :)
>From my notes (I do NOT absolutely guarantee this is accurate):
- 3500 with:
- 170MB HD
- SMS/Omti controller
- mono video card
- 19" mono monitor
- 32MB RAM
- 3COM 3C505
- DomainOS 10.4.1
- 5 1/4" disk drive
- 3000 (unknown contents)
- 3500 (unknown contents)
- 2500 (unknown contents)
- Another CPU (maybe a 4000?) with color card and monitor; I don't have
all the specs with me, but it was fully functional when I last shut it
down.
- Apollo token ring
- Isolan multiplex repeater
- Lots of misc. parts (cables, keyboards, etc.)
- Lots and lots of books; some still in original shrink-wrap
**I WILL NOT SHIP THESE ITEMS.** Sorry; they're just too heavy and bulky
for me to package and ship; I just have too much else going on right now.
With everything going on, I STRONGLY prefer someone take everything. I will
not be able to take the time to go through any of this and pick out parts
that people want.
I am in Garner, NC (just south of Raleigh). I can provide exact location
and directions upon request.
I am usually only in town on Thursdays and Fridays. Please email me if
you are interested and we can work out the details.
Please help me find a home for these guys; if I don't find a taker pretty
soon, they'll have to go to the recyclers.
- Chuck
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> What rescue list?
>
> For all the rest of us who were going to ask but didn't want
> to look stupid, I thank you. 8^)=
I *think* he's referring to a human rescue list, i.e.
paramedics, people who fly helicopters, rappel down the
sides of cliffs, looking for lost or injured people.
-dq
In a message dated 12/10/01 11:22:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Lee.Davison(a)merlincommunications.com writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> What rescue list?
>
> For all the rest of us who were going to ask but didn't want
> to look stupid, I thank you. 8^)=
>
>
He is most likely speaking of the SunRescue list. You can find it at
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
Come and join the fun :-)
-Linc.
In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right...
Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.
What rescue list?
For all the rest of us who were going to ask but didn't want
to look stupid, I thank you. 8^)=
Lee.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Louis Schulman [mailto:louiss@gate.net]
> They probably existed, but I don't recall ever seeing a
> non-bootable program disk for an Apple II. And data
> disks are not much use without program disks.
Well, there was a funny little program that would allow you to "remove DOS
>from a disk to save space" or the like. I assume this would produce just
such a non-bootable disk.
Regards,
Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: UberTechnoid(a)home.com [mailto:UberTechnoid@home.com]
> The new optical mice rock hard core man. I can't believe it, but now
> there is a mouse that will track on your ASS. I play
Isn't that uncomfortable?
I'd rather have a special hard-to-find mouse-pad. :)
Regards,
Chris
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--- Louis Schulman <louiss(a)gate.net> wrote:
> Commodore PET drive system. Holy smoke, a whole second computer just
> to operate the drives, and even then, blecch.
Being a PET user from way back, I always liked the Commodore drives from
one particular aspect - they were intellegent peripherals. You didn't
bang on a couple of registers to make magic things happen (like on the
Apple), you communicated your request and it did what you asked or it
told you why it didn't work. The thing I did *not* like about them was
that they were scorchingly expensive. By the time I could afford a
PET drive, nobody cared anymore. I think my first 4040 was about $10
>from the university surplus.
I also liked the fact that the PET did not need boot disks. I saw that
as a major source of problems watching my friends sort through piles of
Apple floppies, looking for a DOS3.3 disk.
-ethan
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> Dave McGuire wrote:
>
> I was just reminded of when I overclocked an F11 chipset on a
>PDP-11/23 (KDF11-A) to 18MHz. It seems to me that it might be
>possible to overclock the 78032 on a KA630. Anybody ever done
that?
I've just sent EK-78032-UG, basically the 78032 User Guide
over to DFWCUG. You can see the gory details once
it arrives and they put it up.
In the meantime, from Appendix A, clock
period is variable from 25ns to 250ns
i.e. 40MHz to 4MHz. It specifically states
(somewhere) that the part will *not*
work down to DC.
The clock should be held in the high
and low states for 16ns each, so even with
infinitely fast rise and fall you cannot do
better than 32ns and stay reliable across
all parts and all temperature ranges.
Now if you are willing to restrict the
temperature range and hope to work
on just *most* parts, who knows :-)
Tweaking a MicroVAX II won't buy
you much. I doubt you could bump the
clock by much more than say 20% without
something going horribly wrong. And the
uVAX II is a fairly well balanced system:
the memory cycle is just about right for
the CPU (I think it works out that the CPU
cycle time matches the memory cycle
time - hence no need for cache).
So if you up the CPU clock, you need
to find some way to speed up the memory
otherwise you don't even see your
modest 20% gain.
Antonio
I'm sure glad to see the list is back up, I originally tried the following
message on Tuesday. I still don't know anything more about the system.
Unfortunatly it's been raining really hard around here since Tuesday, so
the system is still sitting at work, and I've not really been able to
examine it.
Zane
I'm still a little shocked. I just found a working iPDS system, complete
with documentation and some software. Unfortunatly I don't think a lot of
it is still readable. I did get the system to boot and pass all
diagnostics.
I know nothing about these beasties, from looking at the doc's it's
obviously i8085 based with 64k RAM. It's got a single 5 1/4" floppy, and
it's in a case slightly smaller than a Kaypro II. In the area behind the
CRT is a storage area for two pods that each handle two different sizes of
PROMs, these plug into a hole in the right side of the case.
What on earth filesystem are the floppies? Are any kind of software images
available to replace the dead floppies? Is there any software to read and
write to the floppies from MS-DOS?
Basically the main thing I'm interested in is the systems ability to read
and write PROMs. I wouldn't mind being able to use this to support my DEC
hardware :^)
Zane
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! > > Speaking of which, ever open a machine formerly owned by a
! > > dog/cat owner?
! > All the time (we have several cats). I've never had any cat hair
! > in my systems, since I don't allow the cats in the computer room
! > (except for my favorite cat, who likes to sleep in his basket in
! > the corner or on the back of my chair while I'm in there).
!
! Unless they get into territorial marking, they don't stink
! them up much.
!
! But, expect cat and dog hair. In particular, expect cat hair in
! keyboards; cats take to keyboards like taxi drivers take to
! beaded seat
! cushions!
This is where a Keyboard tray comes in very handy!
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On December 9, Zane H. Healy wrote:
> >> > Respectfully suggest, use your kid sister to probe the voltage
> >> points.
> >>
> >> Waiting for the inevitable McGuire "is she cute?".
> >
> > I try to reserve that for the rescue list...less "offendable" crowd
> >over there. ;)
>
> I'll have you know I'm offended by the accusation that we're easily
> offended around here! :^)
Well, by way of explanation... My trademark on the rescue list is to
say "Is she cute?" for ANY mention of any sister, wife, female
coworker, any female at all. Somehow I didn't think that'd go over
very well on this list. In spite of the unbelievably long off-topic
threads that occur here, this is definitely a much less "social" and
more "down to business" mailing list. ;)
-Dave
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Hi,
I have sitting on my shelf a PDP 11/34 working unit rescued from the recyclers. The system was operational when decomissioned. Caveat: no power supply. So the pieces or the whole are up for grabs, shipping costs only. I thought they may be of interest to the right people, since most of the boards were original DEC. I also have a CD-ROM full of DEC maintenance and service documents for the PDP series. Any interest in that, ask for details. Be aware that I live in Ottawa, Canada.
Here is the list of cards found in there. I am not sure it is complete, because I may have listed only the ones I could actually recognize.
PDP 11/34 CARDS
DIGITAL
M7762 RL11 U RX01 floppy disk controller
M7856 DL11-W U SLU and realtime clock
M7859 U 11/34 programmable console interface
M8256 RX211 U RX02 floppy disk controller
M8265 KD11-EA U 11/34A processor data paths
M8266 KD11-EA U 11/34A processor microcode module
M8267 FP11-A U 11/34A floating point processor
M9202 U UNIBUS connector, inverted
(M9192+M9292 assembled M9202 1" apart with 2' cable)
M9312 U Bootstrap and terminator module
OTHER
Dataram Corp U 256K DRAM board
The system was obviously well cared for and was not even dusty. The console board is the one that includes an Intel 8008 processor. The system case and front-end are impeccable.
I don't collect PDP equipment, but I hate to see a nice system go to the junkyard. At the same time, I need to make room for other masterpieces in peril.
Cheers,
Frederic Charpentier
> From: Dave McGuire <mcguire(a)neurotica.com>
> Well, by way of explanation... My trademark on the rescue list is to
> say "Is she cute?" for ANY mention of any sister, wife, female
> coworker, any female at all.
What rescue list?
Glen
0/0
All,
With regards to the DEC CDs, I will extract the titles of the manuals (about 200, I think) and post them. There are too many service bulletins and the titles are all numbered, so I won't have the time for that. For those who requested the CD's, I will let you know when they are ready -- some time this week. I am not sure that mounting images of the CDs on ftp is a good idea (I don't know what the copyright issues are there), but I don't mind making copies for those who want them.
...oh -- and yes, I will let you know about the stuff that I would like to get pretty soon... :-)
Cheers,
Frederic Charpentier
On Dec 9, 18:13, Jerome Fine wrote:
> Memorex used to have a web site that listed all the properties of
> DECTape (i.e. I for the TK50 with the name in brown) on the plastic
> holder and DECTape II (II i.e. for the TK70).
ObNitPick (just to prove we're back in list mode :-)): I believe Jerome
means CompacTape and CompacTape II. DECTape is the 3/4" stuff on the
"funny little reels".
Nominal capacities are 95MB for TK50 and 295MB for TK70. I suspect a
larger blocking factor will indeed get you more partitions on the TK70.
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On December 8, Tothwolf wrote:
> Another interesting tidbit about this box, it still has its inventory
> sticker from NASA, and it orig cost good old uncle sam $22,000+. Anyone
> else wonder why they didn't have it outfitted with a network interface of
> somesort, especially with it costing that much already?
Not at all. Not all computers are used as part of networks, you
know. ;)
-Dave
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> If I remember correctly, there was a machine code program
> printed once to play "music" with a ZX80 using this method!
Older. Dr. Dobb's Journal, Issue #2... 8080 code, played
Daisy and something else, modulating the S-100 INT signal.
-dq