test-drb December 2001

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by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Do you (or someone you know) have a pet guinea pig? They were originally domesticated and raised as food, in Peru. I must say a good barbequed cuy (which is what they are called there) is quite tasty, though not much meat on them. -----Original Message----- From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire@neurotica.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:24 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Cats around computers On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. > > Hey, it's not like I was playing Hannibal Lector to > old Rocket J. himself... Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around compu ters)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I've seen the brown recluse in my home, among several > > other species. Can't always tell which is which but I > > can tell that some are different from others. > > The brown recluse has a very clear fiddle mark on their body. You can't > mistake them for anything else. I've found them in camp showers (eeek). > They are unpleasantly fond of human company. I'll bet you're presbyotic (far-sighted) or have perfect vision, and aren't near-sighted... that or you wear contacts or always wear your glasses.... anything further away than a monitor screen is *usually* a complete blue for me. Plus, isn't the fiddle on their stomach? Should I ask the spider to "present, front and center" so i can check? ;) > The wolf spider is frequently mistaken for a brown recluse even though > they're grey, not brown; they're considerably larger; and they definitely > don't have the fiddle marking. This is unfortunate since people take > shoes and other implements to wolf spiders who are good to have in the > house as they keep insects down to a minimum, and don't bother people. The wolfs are probably what I've got, then... -dq

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around compu ters))

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > > >> > I'll bet you're presbyotic (far-sighted) > > >> > > >> Nit pick time. I think you mean presbyopic. presbyotic would be > > >> someone who can only hear things far away. > > Actually, neither of you are right. Presbyopia is not being able to see > near or far due to lack of accomodative ability caused by age. > Farsightedness is hyperopia. ...and Sridharopia is the desire to hack on a 1GHz PDP11 in a storage locker with an electric heater using an old DOS box as a terminal! :-) There, that was at least *closer* to being on-topic! -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around computers)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Jeff Hellige wrote: > The unfortunate thing about the brown recluse is that you > likely won't see it before it bites you and the insides of equipment > that has been out in a shed or something similar is a good place for > them. I'm no longer sure what areas they're common in, but the Ozark > mountains of southern Missouri has their share of them. I found two in my basement in Laurel MD, Jeff... -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around compu ters))

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I'll bet you're presbyotic (far-sighted) > > Nit pick time. I think you mean presbyopic. presbyotic would be > someone who can only hear things far away. I had not a *clue* how to spell it... how funny that the mispelling turned out to be something! > > Plus, isn't the fiddle on their stomach? Should I ask the spider > > to "present, front and center" so i can check? > > Definitely on the back, hence the common name fiddleback spider. hadn't heard that name might explain why I was able to see them when I was younger tho... but I saw all kinds of things in those "paisley days"....

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around computers))

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Roger Merchberger wrote: > And yes, cow's tongue is very good also, when prepared correctly, but I > never did acquire a taste for the pickled pork hocks... I don't "pretend" > what I like, because I like most everything. Well this is very cool...my sense of "gross" is a little oversensitive I think; I know a few people who don't have any at all...I must admit I'm somewhat jealous of them. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

24 years

What's with this Lisa?

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey H. Ingber [mailto:jhingber@ix.netcom.com] > I have a similar machine which I would call identical except for the > green-screen. All the "prototype" markings that the auction makes > mention of I have seen seen on my Lisa, as well as the only other one > I've seen. I believe these markings to be common, and that the screen > was a replacement job by a 3rd party. Is this guy > misinformed or am I? Well, I don't know whether they actually implied that the machine was a prototype... Just mentioned the markings as making it "unique." (a very slight distinction, anyway) You're right that they (the markings on the boards) might be common, though I certainly haven't seen any Lisas with green CRTs, myself. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years

Need manual for Everex digital cassette drive

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk [mailto:ard@p850ug1.demon.co.uk] > > > just off the center of the top of the cassette, and they have > > > two slide > > > tabs to turn write-protection on/off. Otherwise, it > looks just like a > > > regular analog cassette tape. > > No problem, just file a notch in your "analog" cassette. ;) > Is your data really worth that _little_ that it's not worth > buying the > right tape? Well, any data I'd consider storing on such a strange, you-probably-won't-see-another, device would have to be worth very little, or, more likely, backed up onto CD, DAT, or 8MM. :) That, and where do you suggest one should get "digital cassette" these days? > > I'm not sure that would work, but given the improved > resolution, etc, in > > cassette tapes during the last several years, it just may. > I am pretty sure the coercivity of the tape in the 'digital' > cassettes is > considerably high that that of the tape in normal audio cassettes... Well, again, cassettes have gotten better. Depending on the age of this "digital cassette" technology, it might substitute in a pinch. Speaking of which, anyone remember anything about the VHS tape backup devices? Capacity, systems they'd work with, etc? A friend and I were discussing these a few days ago. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years

Need manual for Everex digital cassette drive

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Maybe, but doubtful. This was more of a tape backup device. It uses > DIGITAL cassettes. If you've never seen one, they have a square notch > just off the center of the top of the cassette, and they have two slide > tabs to turn write-protection on/off. Otherwise, it looks just like a > regular analog cassette tape. Yeah, I've got a drive from an old Burroughs teller machine... Had a bunch of Burroughs stuff I dumped about five years ago, though I still have a direct-wire 1200 baud modem... -dq

24 years

[PDP8-Lovers] if you hadn't already known this about the PDP-8

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 13, 9:26, Mark Crispin wrote: > Unique? Quite a few processors of that time had a store-PC-and-jump type of > subroutine call. The beloved PDP-10 had three (JSR, JSP, JSA/JRA) and > subsequent enhancements added more (JSYS, XPCW); yet it also had stacks from > its inception. > > Contemporary programming languages, such as BASIC and FORTRAN, did not use > stack subroutines. It's possible that modern BASIC and FORTRAN compilers may > permit recursive subroutine calls, but doing so is still prohibited by the > language specification. Now you know why. That's not wholly true; FORTRAN prior to FORTRAN-90 prohibits recursion but it's a required feature in FORTRAN 90. I don't believe it's actually prohibited in BASIC of the mid-to-late 60's. There were certainly inplementations in the early 70s that allowed it, and it's a feature of the modern standards (both de-facto and ANSI). Recursion was also a (required) feature of ALGOL in 1958, and its successors, as was stack-based evaluation. However, in support of Mark, it's worth noting that the main reason there's no recursion allowed in FORTRAN, and it almost was omitted from the original ALGOL spec, was that it was hard for people to understand how it could be implemented across a variety of architectures. Stacks had been around since the mid-50s but lots of machines provided no specific support for them. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

24 years

1GHz PDP-11 (Re: Prints for an 11/70)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > I bought a CGA-compatible video cards a few years back > > (80s), that had an incompatible hi-res mode in addition > > to the CGA, and a mouse interface. > > > > The manual kept referring to "the connector of the ten ways". > > This sounded *SO* Zen that I was sure than once I had it > > figured it, it'd be the secret to life. > > > > Finally dawned on me that this was "10-pin connector". > > In the UK (I have no idea if the expression is used in the States), the > term n-way connector is common. It means (of course) an connector with n > indepedant connections. It's often used for things like jack plugs ('phone > plugs' in the States) which don't really have pins. Calling the plug on > the end of a pair of stereo headphones a '3 pin plug' seems strange... Of course, we've some of the same linguistic heritage; but here, that usage's most frequent occurance is in a phrase relating to ways that deviate from each other, i.e. a four-way stop. The four ways all go away from each other. A cable with connectors like that might not be very useful (of course, as soon as I say that I envision an old-style RGB video cable with BNCs each "going their own way." -dq

24 years

Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around compu ters)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > > This is unfortunate since people take shoes and other implements to > > wolf spiders who are good to have in the house as they keep insects > > down to a minimum, and don't bother people. > > Anything in my house with more than four legs dies. It's as simple as > that. So, the beast with two backs never makes itself seen in your home? ;) -dq

24 years

Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > My Zoology prof claimed to have eaten just about > > eberything on the planet that people make a regular > > habit of eating... grubs were the first thing he > > mentioned. > > Fear. > > I will never understand the "I am cool because I eat, and pretend to > like, things that gross most people out" mentality. Well, although he was a zoologist, I'd agree it's a stretch (wants to know about animals so eats them), but for all I know, he may have wanted to be an anthropologist. It would be quite appropriate and understandable for one o' them to want to give everything a try... He had cancer back in those days, beat it, but I've no idea whether he's still around or not. We never, ever saw him down in the computer center, even though we had some applications we support for the biology department (bringing us back to classic computers). If he ever took to computers, they'd probably have been Macintoshes... -dq

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Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > > > > > > > > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. > > > > > > > > Hey, it's not like I was playing Hannibal Lector to > > > > old Rocket J. himself... > > > > > > Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) > > > > Ok, Ok, you're right, you *won't* find it on the menu > > down at Mickey D's... or Hardups... or Snake n Shake... > > or Food Lion... > > Yes. But I maintain that squirrels are NOT FOOD not because you > won't find them in Food Lion...but you won't find them in Food Lion > because they're NOT FOOD. :) > > > BTW, now that you're _down south_, has anyone turned > > you onto the burgers at Crystal's ? > > I don't believe I've had them yet, no...are they good? > They're sometimes known as "southern sliders"... when you see them, you'll know why... And re: squirrels, lemme tell ya, I wouldn't be alive if they *weren't* food... there were times when squirrel wasn't the usual delicacy, but the only damned thing my ancestors could find to eat. -dq

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Wierd Things you've found inside... (was Smoking around compu ters)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote: > > This is unfortunate since people take shoes and other implements to > > wolf spiders who are good to have in the house as they keep insects > > down to a minimum, and don't bother people. > > Anything in my house with more than four legs dies. It's as simple as > that. I with you there, Jeff. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

24 years

Info-Vax mailing list messages previous to 1981

by spedraja＠ono.com

Hi again. I've checked CRVAX server but I can't locate what I'm searching... Anybody knows a place where could be located the INFO-VAX mailing list messages previous to 17-May-1981 ? This is the date of the first message gatewayed to the Fa.info-vax newsgroup. If I read correctly the info that appears in http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue3_8/chapter10/ , Usenet began in 1979, and the FA.* groups were gatewayed >from mailing lists to the Usenet newsgroups by the long time closed (1994 if the RIP note of one person that I assume was Keith Bostic was correct) UCBVAX server. Do you heard about some kind of backup or so of these early Usenet and/or mailing lists messages ? By the way, a little swinging in the messages of these years is, like Spock could say without any doubt, "fascinating". By example, one reference to one Datamation of 1981 that did a critic about the Unix interface :-) ,,, or one guy that tried in 1981 to do one list of DBMS for Unix. I don't know if somebody knows cause of direct participation some of these hits. Thanks and Greetings Sergio

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Cats around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > > > > > > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. > > > > > > Hey, it's not like I was playing Hannibal Lector to > > > old Rocket J. himself... > > > > Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) > > Ok, Ok, you're right, you *won't* find it on the menu > down at Mickey D's... or Hardups... or Snake n Shake... > or Food Lion... Yes. But I maintain that squirrels are NOT FOOD not because you won't find them in Food Lion...but you won't find them in Food Lion because they're NOT FOOD. :) > BTW, now that you're _down south_, has anyone turned > you onto the burgers at Crystal's ? I don't believe I've had them yet, no...are they good? -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

24 years

Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) > > > > Anyone watch FoodTV? I think the show was called Xtreme Food.. One section > showed the guys hunting in their backyard.. Shooting some squirrel.. And how > to cook it... It was called "Squirrel Fricasse" This really was on TV.. > HONEST! I think this was in Louisana... My Zoology prof claimed to have eaten just about eberything on the planet that people make a regular habit of eating... grubs were the first thing he mentioned. > But what looked good was the deep-fried wild turkey. Dunno about wild, but Bob&Tom's domestic deep-fry recipie is a big winner around here... > P.S. I wonder what kind of wine goes good with squirrel? A > couple of bottles before it is set down in front of you??! Oh, Ripple, Richard's, MD2020 if you need Kosher... -dq

24 years

Need manual for Everex digital cassette drive

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Sellam Ismail [mailto:foo@siconic.com] > Maybe, but doubtful. This was more of a tape backup device. It uses > DIGITAL cassettes. If you've never seen one, they have a square notch > just off the center of the top of the cassette, and they have > two slide > tabs to turn write-protection on/off. Otherwise, it looks just like a > regular analog cassette tape. No problem, just file a notch in your "analog" cassette. ;) I'm not sure that would work, but given the improved resolution, etc, in cassette tapes during the last several years, it just may. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years

1GHz PDP-11 (Re: Prints for an 11/70)

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 12, Richard Erlacher wrote: > > If it topped out at 7 MBps, it was probably because the bus handshake was > > clocked with a CPU clock, in order to ensure the CPU would "see" the > > transitions. > > I am reminded of my favorite piece of broken english, found in a > Taiwanese PeeCee motherboard manual many years ago: > > "If use 387 coprocessor, the clocked by CPU clock." > > No, I made no typos there. :-) I bought a CGA-compatible video cards a few years back (80s), that had an incompatible hi-res mode in addition to the CGA, and a mouse interface. The manual kept referring to "the connector of the ten ways". This sounded *SO* Zen that I was sure than once I had it figured it, it'd be the secret to life. Finally dawned on me that this was "10-pin connector". -dq

24 years

Internet Historical Documents Translation

by spedraja＠ono.com

Hello. A short note to thanks the help about Google Usenet Groups. I probed the &Filter=0 and works :-) I want to begin a project with a large projection in time. I want to translate to spanish language all the historical and classic computer documents I can. I should like to begin with articles, files and documents of relevance about the Internet, but I am thinking in mirror some classic computers websites translating them to my idiom. I don't know if anybody could be interested about it and permit to do the mirror and translation. Thanks and Greetings Sergio

24 years

Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > > > > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. > > > > Hey, it's not like I was playing Hannibal Lector to > > old Rocket J. himself... > > Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) Ok, Ok, you're right, you *won't* find it on the menu down at Mickey D's... or Hardups... or Snake n Shake... or Food Lion... BTW, now that you're _down south_, has anyone turned you onto the burgers at Crystal's ? -dq

24 years

Cats around computers

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! >>! Some people say tape works well to keep them off things ! >>! (sticky side up), but both my cats seem to rather like ! >>! it, and I find they stand on it ! >>! padding at the tape purring happily. ! > ! >They lick the adhesive too? ! ! Not that I have ever seen, they just step and press their ! paws against it ! over and over... kind of like when they are pressing down a pillow to ! sit, or in the case of one of mine, when he is hungry, he jumps on my ! lap, and presses his paws into my sternum over and over until I am ! annoyed (or in enough pain as he does it pretty hard), to get ! up and feed ! him. Well, my 3 1/2 year old cat, Isabelle, like to like tape and pictures. Never figured that one out yet... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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Cats around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? > > > > NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. > > Hey, it's not like I was playing Hannibal Lector to > old Rocket J. himself... Yes, but still...NOT FOOD. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

24 years

What's with this Lisa?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> >You're right that they (the markings on the boards) might be common, though > >I certainly haven't seen any Lisas with green CRTs, myself. > > Now, I've never tried to replace the CRT in something like a > Lisa or other single piece machine, but I wouldn't think that the CRT > would be that difficult to replace? For companies like Zenith that > actually manufactured CRT's, I could see there possibly be a problem > with swapping it out for a different one though but I know that Apple > didn't manufacture the CRT's in the Lisa. Difficult you mean in terms of finding a replacement, I assume... it *is* fairly easy to replace on in a Mac, procedure-wise, but I had a boxed new Apple replacement to drop in... -dq

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