test-drb December 2001

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1096 discussions

by jfoust＠threedee.com

I've had a great time perusing the new old Usenet posts on Google.com. It took me a while to find the various logins I'd used back in '83 or so, getting on news any way I could. I've waited a long time for other people's backup archives to restore copies of these files to my hands. Thankfully, I didn't say anything too embarrassing. I think that aspect will have repercussions. What's the online world going to be like when your off-hand comments will be around forever? Search for someone's posts, click on the link of their name, and presto, you can see everything they've posted, including that plea for companionship to net.singles back in 1983. One fun aspect has been seeing who jumped into threads back then - before they were famous for other reasons. For example, I hadn't remembered that Larry Wall hung out on comp.sys.amiga for a while in the early days. I have also done what someone else here predicted: look for people who had old machines to dispose, and ask them what happened to them. I focused on the Terak, for my museum at www.threedee.com/jcm . I also used the archive to find people who worked at Terak back when. I found several names I hadn't known before. Given a unique name and a history of working in the computer business, it seemed I could find current e-mail addresses for about half of the names I searched. I fired off notes to find out if they'd kept any memorabilia or disks. I hope someone builds a historical directory of links to historically relevant posts. I might take on the task myself. - John

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1GHz PDP-11 (Re: Prints for an 11/70)

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Boatman on the River of Suck wrote: > That's why I was thinking of addressing multiple busses. Not only that, I > want to maintain compatibility with existing devices. I don't recall who at the moment...but there's some company somewhere who makes a PCI-Qbus bridge, and maybe a Unibus one as well. The idea is to use a pdp11 emulator on a crappy PeeCee and be able to connect your DEC peripherals to it. I would love to see NetBSD/alpha drivers for that board...I'd put an RL02 (or maybe an RK07!) on one my Alphas! 8-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

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Hardest to Find Classic Computers (Was: RE: Way OT: Just say

by csmith＠amdocs.com

Right. I know they exist... just can't find them. :) Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); ' > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Dittman [mailto:dittman@dittman.net] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:37 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Hardest to Find Classic Computers (Was: RE: Way OT: Just > say > > > > Do peripherals count too? If so, try finding a 9-track > drive that doesn't > > take up as much room as your fridge. Any EDSI hardware and > controllers have > > been very elusive to me as well. > > Actually, there are some table-top 9-track drives. There is > a limit on how > small a 9-track drive can be since you have to accommodate > two large reels. > > In fact, next week I'm picking up a table-top 9-track SCSI > drive for $75.

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Way OT: Just say no to squirrels & Pascal question

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Somebody did. Butter can't be deep fried. That's what I thought about ice cream... but El Torito's (sp?) used to sell Deep Fried Ice Cream, it was basically chocolate chip ice cream, rolled in what seemed to be corn flakes crumbs, and deep fried. It has to be done fast, so the breading fries, but the ice cream doesn't get too melty. I would think butter (in particular a POUND of butter) that was wrapped in bacon AND breaded, could probably hold out long enough for the breading to fry. If the butter was started as very cold, or even slightly frozen, it could probably stay in long enough for the bacon to get pretty well cooked. However, the whole thing sounds pretty sick to me, so I am not apt to try it. -c

24 years

if you hadn't already known this about the PDP-8

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Doc <doc(a)mdrconsult.com> > OK. I guess I gotta come clean now. I'm actually a West Texas >roughneck, incognito. When I first started seeing ads for "Pentium", I I saw pentium and thought... oh no, the fifth one from in-smell. Heck I got my first Pent (p166mmx) only 2 years ago! I'd rather not but hey the world crashes by them. Allison

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%20Hallelujah!

by Socialmisfit10＠aol.com

ummm my name is Meridith Zammetti and i noticed that your last name was Zammetti so i thought i would say HI and hope that u would say HI back...maybe........just maybe.......hehe...

24 years

MITS 2SIO serial chip?

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Does anyone know what chip was used for the MITS serial boards? I thought > that it was the 6850, but I could be wrong. Weren't a lot of people using the 8251 back in those days? I had to play some tricks in getting an interrupt-driver written for the 8251... this was for the redoubtable Data General One, a sort cool, sorta nasty laptop... -dq

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OT: RE: Cats around computers

by cmurillo＠emtelsa.multi.net.co

At 02:10 PM 12/13/01 -0700, Robert Feldman wrote: >Do you (or someone you know) have a pet guinea pig? They were originally >domesticated and raised as food, in Peru. I must say a good barbequed cuy >(which is what they are called there) is quite tasty, though not much meat >on them. Aztecs bred a special dog race, called "izcuintle", for culinary purposes. They're pretty ugly as they are hairless. But they're supposed to taste like pork. carlos. -------------------------------------------------------------- Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org

24 years

MITS 2SIO serial chip?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

If it's the SIO-(A or B) then it's one com2502 or any of the related uarts. If its the 2-SIO then a pair of 6850s (better board too). Allison -----Original Message----- From: Cini, Richard <RCini(a)congressfinancial.com> To: 'ClassCompList' <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:09 AM Subject: MITS 2SIO serial chip? >Does anyone know what chip was used for the MITS serial boards? I thought >that it was the 6850, but I could be wrong. > >Rich > > >

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if you hadn't already known this about the PDP-8

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Pope [mailto:bpope@wordstock.com] > That would be the "new" geek who believes the first computer > was a Pentium. > I was setting up my C64 next to my PC one day and a "geek" > mad the comment > "Oh you can hookup the 64 to the PCs video switchbox"... Is > it that hard to > belive that a computer could possibly output something > *other* then VGA > for its vidoe?!? Grrrrrr.... Ha! Actually, along those lines, I have an SGI with a Galileo board, which I've considered plugging my Atari 600XL/Commodore 128/Amiga/Atari ST/Apple IIGS, etc, into. It would be a great computing experience on a 21" monitor. :) The problem is that the SGI is a bit too sensitive for most composite video devices up to and including the Nintendo-64. They "flicker," I assume because of a slightly slow refresh rate. I've thought about writing some software that "simulates" the slower fade-out of a television CRT in a quick, dirty manner -- by simply dropping alternate frames, or the like. Anyway, back on the subject, don't get me started on idiots who don't know a serial-port from a hole in their head, and who couldn't tell an operating system from a microsoft product. ;) (To whit: I worked at one point with a guy who was convinced that every operating system in the world was derived in some manner from MS-DOS. Yes, that includes the Macintosh operating system too. "CP/M? What's that? Unix is based on MS-DOS, right?" The guy was a "programmer.") Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

24 years

if you hadn't already known this about the PDP-8

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Doc [mailto:doc@mdrconsult.com] > Yeah... Most distros don't even have a headless install > option, and not > all PCs will even complete a POST without a video card. But more > relevant is the fact that hardly anybody I know, even the geeks, knows > what a null-modem cable is for, let alone own a serial terminal. You must not hang around with very high-quality geeks. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Cats around computers

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > I hope we don't drift into discussing that strangest > > beef organ meat of all... > > I've been trying hard to refrain. But, now that *you* mention it, > > YUM! YUM! YUM! > > Doc, who grew up working the spring branding & cutting on > his uncles' ranches.... Also popular with lonely rancher's wives, I hear... ;)

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Way OT: Just say no to squirrels & Pascal question

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> While we're on the subject, the best tacos I ever had were > at the dog track in Juarez, Mexico. Ya gotta wonder.... Did they charge extra for "winners"? ;)

24 years

Cats around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > Rodents *are* chewy... have you never had squirrel? NO. And I hope I NEVER get that hungry. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

24 years

MITS 2SIO serial chip?

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Does anyone know what chip was used for the MITS serial boards? I thought that it was the 6850, but I could be wrong. Rich

24 years

Burroughs (was: Need manual for Everex digital cassette drive)

by mhstein＠usa.net

Congratulations! Which model? Have a few bits myself, including a digital cassette drive (&docs) and a few tapes; need any? mike -----------------Original Message----------------- From: Boatman on the River of Suck <vance(a)ikickass.org> I have a complete (almost working) Burroughs computer. Peace... Sridhar

24 years

if you hadn't already known this about the PDP-8

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Franchuk [mailto:bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca] > Remember Linux too needs lots of memory. With >16 meg on a video card > your OS needs about 16x that. It is the video display that is the > killer. Actually, Linux will scrape by on 2 megs. (Last I checked, admittedly with a 2.1 kernel -- it even ran the MGR windowing system) Windows won't. :) Currently, I don't think that qualifies as "lots of memory," though I'd prefer it took less. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Way OT: Just say no to squirrels & Pascal question

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> You ought to see what the Abs in OZ eat out in the field - not real pretty > but then as the Rally's commercials say "you gotta eat" Honey beetles, sweet with a slight tang... -dq

24 years

if you hadn't already known this about the PDP-8

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > I never understand this- why not kick it up to 1027x768 and use the > > Windows Appearance controls to make the menus and screen > fonts larger? > > My vga monitors have a tendency to die, thus a old VGA is easy to come > by and not have to FUCK with windows 'SAFE' mode. Understood, I get by on used VGA monitors, too... > > That way graphics look nice and text is still readable and things > > you have to click on (buttons can be made bigger too) are bigger > > targets... > > I want smaller menus and buttons. I like a window filled with what ever > I am reading, not clutter on the screen. It makes no sense to me to switch > to a higher res and then defeat it by having bigger fonts. When I was running > Linux I ran at 800x600 but only so I could run bigger fonts to give > me a 80x25 xterm window. Also most on the games I play only run at 640x480 due to > speed ( P-150 here) or screen limitations. I mistakenly ASSumed you went with 640x480 because everything is bigger and easier to see... the guys around here who run 1024x768 instead of the 1280x1024 they *could* run do it for that reason... -dq

24 years

Cats around computers

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 13, Carlos Murillo wrote: > > I will never understand the "I am cool because I eat, and pretend to > >like, things that gross most people out" mentality. > > Well, it usually turns out that "most people" has a very local character > to it. Oh yes, I agree 100% that it's all just a matter of what we're culturally used to...but that knowlege will not stop the huge tide of spewing vomit that will ensue if someone puts brains in front of my face. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL

24 years

What's with this Lisa?

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> I understand the differences but have never been able to make > a correlation between the model numbers and the various versions of > the machines. Ah, OK. > It has the Apple logo and 'Apple Computer Inc.' running from > the bottom of the board towards the top, just about at the center of > the connector. I'll have to take a look at the other memory boards > later. Time for some googling I think! -- Adrian Graham, Corporate Microsystems Ltd e: adrian.graham(a)corporatemicrosystems.com w: www.corporatemicrosystems.com w2: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk (Online Computer Museum)

24 years

This list is on the skids again . . .

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Bryan Pope <bpope(a)wordstock.com> > But what looked good was the deep-fried wild turkey. Good luck, those things are tough as hell. Gimme a Butterball any day. > P.S. I wonder what kind of wine goes good with squirrel? A couple of bottles > before it is set down in front of you??! Any of the following would be pleasing to the squirrel-eaters I've known: Mad Dog Thunderbird Boone's Farm Red Mountain Annie Green Springs Recommended dosage: 32 oz. per guest, on an empty stomach . . . but hide all the guns, first . . . Glen 0/0

24 years

PDT-11?? can anyone tell me what this is?

by mbg＠TheWorld.com

(Sorry for the time-shifted response... I was away at vacation) >I've just come across a PDT-11 (model: PDT-11150 CJ) > >It has 2 8" floppy drives, (which someone has labelled sy0: & dk0:) > >on the back there are 6 db25's labeled console,printer,modem, term 1, >term 2 , term 3 > >What is this machine?? Can I make it run as a PDP11.. >It's nice 'n' small & looks like it would be quieter than >my 11/44. This is basically a pdp-11, based on the 11/2 chipset. Unlike most other -11s, though, it is configured such that there is 60kb available to the user (30k-words) and the IO page is only 4kb instead of 8kb The roms know about RT-11 queue elements and the RT device driver (PD.SYS) calls entry points in the rom to do the actual data transfers. You could use it in place of your 11/44, if you want to waaaiiiiit for stuff to get done... not to mention the fact that there really isn't much space on two RX01 floppies... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

24 years

OT time

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Not me, I gave up on religion and religious events some time ago, and have > given considerable thought to frank Costanza's "Festivus" as a new December > holiday. Maybe you can help me find a really nice aluminum pole before Festivus is over this year? Festivus! Festivus for the Rest of Us! ;)

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Way OT: Just say no to squirrels & Pascal question

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Heh...I wasn't going to mention this, but now I have no choice. ;) > > I used to say that I could sum up the French culture in two sentences: > "This is the most repulsive thing I've ever seen. I think I'll put it > in my mouth!" I am *so* glad I wasn't drinking coffee whan I read that! ROFL!

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