test-drb December 2001

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243 participants
1096 discussions

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> Hey folks, would anyone here be able to get me disk images for OS/2 >release 3 or 4? I thought I had OS/2 Warp v3, but it turns out there are no disks in the box, just a manual. You can have that if you want it (cost of shipping, unless you have some 32mb 72pin SIMMs kicking around you want to trade... LOL) -c

23 years, 12 months

OS/2

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

I've got a line on 'em already...that didn't take long. Thanks anyway though. -Dave On December 17, Phil Schilling wrote: > Dave, > Probably both, which would you prefer? > > Phil > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Dave McGuire > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:57 PM > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: OS/2 > > > > Hey folks, would anyone here be able to get me disk images for OS/2 > release 3 or 4? > > Thanks, > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire > St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf > > -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

23 years, 12 months

OS/2

by pjschilling＠gcstech.net

Dave, Probably both, which would you prefer? Phil -----Original Message----- From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Dave McGuire Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:57 PM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: OS/2 Hey folks, would anyone here be able to get me disk images for OS/2 release 3 or 4? Thanks, -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

23 years, 12 months

OS/2

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Nope, needs to be 3 or 4...thanks anyway though. I think I may have found it. -Dave On December 17, Lawrence LeMay wrote: > OS/2 2.00.1 isnt any help I assume? > > -Lawrence LeMay > > > > > Hey folks, would anyone here be able to get me disk images for OS/2 > > release 3 or 4? > > > > Thanks, > > -Dave > > > > -- > > Dave McGuire > > St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf > > > -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

23 years, 12 months

Is there no end

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > > > > Well, I suppose every chip must aspire to mediocrity. :-P > > > > > > > > Ok... I guess it took another Mac user to see my point. > > > > > > Now, honestly: by the same token, what's a PPC that doesn't run MacOS? >:-) > > > (As I type on my Apple Network Server. ;-) > > > > ... a computer I would want, such as an IBM RS/6000, AS/400, or S/390 (now > > zSeries). Mmmmm S/390 :). Now, that's BIG iron. > > S/390 does NOT run on microprocessors of any kind, let alone one as slow > as PPC. I thought Hercules could run S/390.... ;) -dq

23 years, 12 months

DEC Cable?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Well, I do have a BNC male-male adapter, and some BNC cable. That should suffice as an extension. Safer than a soldering iron... ;-) Thanks for the link... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Michael Kukat [mailto:michael@unixiron.org] ! Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 2:52 PM ! To: David Woyciesjes ! Cc: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org (E-mail); NetBSD/Vax Mail List (E-mail) ! Subject: Re: DEC Cable? ! ! ! Hello, ! ! On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, David Woyciesjes wrote: ! > I've got two cables here, DEC p/n BCC17-06 and one with ! out a p/n, ! > but looks like a DEC cable. Any ideas who/what they're for? ! And can one of ! > them replace the mono video cable on my VAX Station 3100 (BC23K-03)? ! ! I don't know these cables, but as both are RGB cables, none ! of them can replace ! a mono cable. Also look at http://www.bsdfans.org/pinouts.php ! for the full ! pinout of those connectors. ! ! And additionally, DEC changed the pinout somewhen for the ! DECstations and DEC ! (Alpha) machines, maybe even VAXstation 4000 has a different ! pinout (do they ! have the 15pin connector? Don't know now). ! ! Best way would be to take a soldering iron and make the cable ! yourself. The ! other way would be a small bridge between the mono and the ! green pin to get ! the cable doing mono on the green wire. But this is a ! modification to your ! holy VAXstation, and you don't really want to do this :) ! ! And then, there is still the problem with the pinout ! difference between ! DECstations and VAXstaions. So, as your VAXstation has own ! keyboard/mouse ! connectors, a simple mono video cable would be the best. ! ! ...Michael ! ! -- ! visit http://www.bsdfans.org/ Home network powered by: ! NetBSD OpenBSD FreeBSD ! Solaris HP-UX IRIX AIX MUNIX Tru64 Ultrix VMS SINIX ! Dolphin_Unix OpenStep MacOS !

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Troll got me (was Re: Is there no end)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Glen Goodwin [mailto:acme_ent@bellsouth.net] > FYI, I think it's a "made up" holiday and just wanted to know > what your > thoughts were. Well, to drive this further off topic.... ;) All holidays are "made up." They are celebrations of this thing or that, lots of times an event. Nobody'd have thought of having a holiday before the thing happened, right? The difference with kwanzaa is that it's silly/stupid because it's (AFAIK) a celebration of racial identity which stems (IMO) from an insecurity of some type, where lots of other holidays are silly/stupid because they're celebrations of national identity (for instance) which stem (IMO) from an insecurity of some type :P Regards, Chris (who never understood the tendency of people to want to assign themselves to groups) Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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[PDP8-Lovers] Re: how to clean a PDP8/A, dishwasher?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 17, 6:08, Richard Erlacher wrote: > I'm not absolutely sure about such things, but, having had to sit through the > annual ESD classes year after year in order to maintain my cert's when I was in > aerospace, ISTR that the "old" TTL was ESD sensitive to a point, and I seem to > remember something about TTL having a threshold of 2KV for ESD sensitivity. > That suggests that while it's not as likely to go poof at the slightest ESD, you > can't "ZAP" it without harming it. Since the "ZAP" that you feel when reaching > for the doorknob is >50KV, typically, the 2KV would hardly be noticed. That sounds about right to me. The instructor on my ESD classes in the 80's probably read the same books and data sheets that yours did. You certainly wouldn't notice a few kV picked up by walking across a carpeted room if it had a few seconds to dissipate before you touched something that would discharge it instantly. I remember one school who had a lot of BBC Microcomupters in the mid-80's. All was well with them, until they had a building refurbishment, and the micros wer moved to a new room with carpet tiles. They had endless trouble after that, with machines resetting at odd times, misbehaving in unexpected ways, and so on. When one finally stopped working altogether and I was asked to look, I asked about the carpet. I suggested they mist it periodically with well-diluted carpet cleaner to reduce static, and the problems went away (I repaired the faulty machine -- it had a blown LS TTL chip, which may or may not have been coincidence). -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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[PDP8-Lovers] Re: how to clean a PDP8/A, dishwasher?

by msell＠ontimesupport.com

You probably shouldn't use WD-40.... Better to use a good type of grease. They forgot to install grease fittings.... : ) On a side note, we had a guy from IS about ready to lubricate the bearings on a hard drive once. The situation started with a work order to repair a "squeaking" hard-drive. The real problem was that some joker turned on the "audible network activity" setting on an X-terminal, and it was "chirping" every time it attempted to access the network. Some guy came in on a different shift, and thinking he was a computer expert, quickly came to the conclusion that the hard drive needed replacement because the bearings were shot. Being the budget-minded people we were, we suggested to him that rather than replacing the expensive hard drive, we would ask the Information Services group to send a technician to repair, rather than replace, the hard drive. When the technician arrived we showed him the work order, and demonstrated the "chirping" noise. He agreed with the conclusion of the guy who write the work order that the hard drive really was at fault, and we convinced him that he should take it to the facility maintenance people to have them install a grease fitting on the hard drive and to "lube it up". As he started to take the case off of the terminal we pointed out the network activity setting. We got a good laugh out of it.... - Matt At 10:43 AM 12/17/2001 -0700, you wrote: >For laughs, take a look at >http://www.help-net.com/computer%20buddies/pc911/clean_your_hard_drive.htm Matthew Sell Programmer On Time Support, Inc. www.ontimesupport.com (281) 296-6066 Join the Metrology Software discussion group METLIST! http://www.ontimesupport.com/cgi-bin/mojo/mojo.cgi "One World, One Web, One Program" - Microsoft Promotional Ad "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Fuhrer" - Adolf Hitler Many thanks for this tagline to a fellow RGVAC'er...

23 years, 12 months

[PDP8-Lovers] Re: how to clean a PDP8/A, dishwasher?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On December 17, Johnny Billquist wrote: > > > > I am appalled that anyone would seriously consider putting any > > electronic > > > > equipment, much less antiques, in a dishwasher. > > > > > > I'll have to agree. > > > > As has been said before, what do you think manufacturers do at the end of a > > production line? > > They wash them yes. They *don't* put them in a dishwasher. There is a > hughe difference. I dunno, man...I've only come into contact with two commercial board washers in the past, and they were very much like dishwashers...right down to the fold-down front door and the spinning sprayer, except the spinning sprayers were at the top in these units. -Dave -- Dave McGuire St. Petersburg, FL "Less talk. More synthohol." --Lt. Worf

23 years, 12 months

[PDP8-Lovers] Re: how to clean a PDP8/A, dishwasher?

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Matthew Sell <msell(a)ontimesupport.com> >I'm offering the suggestion that people try using their dishwasher to give >the computer the bath it really needs. I put (with the exceptions mentioned >in previous posts) all of my boards and control panels through the wash. >Every one of them works after drying. After 10 years of using this method >commercially and in my hobbies, I haven't had a single failure. Same here and I've used dishwashers for over 20 years. Dirty boards get washed. Even if there are Dip switches or relays I wash them as often they dry ok or are easily replaced. Often the board that didn't work beforehand does after or it's far easier to see the problem. >P.S. - TTL logic *IS* static sensitive, just not nearly to the extent that >MOS is. Correct! Allison

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[PDP8-Lovers] Re: how to clean a PDP8/A, dishwasher?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > Like I said before, don't take my word for it. Take an old, ! > dirty board ! > that you know works, and run it through the dishwasher. Dot ! > use the plate ! > warmer or drying functions. At the end of the cycle, remove ! > it, shake it ! > off, and allow it to dry for several days (hang it up). Plug ! > it back in - ! > it'll work. ! ! I this has already been mentioned, but also don't put boards ! in that have ! any sort of battery fitted or removeable labels you want to keep stuck ! on.... ! ! -- ! adrian ! Course, you could always remove the labels first, put them on wax paper, then stick them back on after drying. If the adhesive won't hold anymore, clear packing tape, trimmed to just a little bigger than the label, should work. And protect it too, since the label is most likely only paper. --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

23 years, 12 months

Flashing Light Indicators un Simple Front Panels

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com [mailto:pete@dunnington.u-net.com] > The only thing I can think of that's *designed* to do > something like that > is an SGI Indy; if you power one up and it can't even run the > the code in > the PROM, it flashes the power light (which is a two-colour LED). The > usual cause id that there's no (recognisable) RAM at all in > it. Probably > not relevant to a PR1ME. I've recently seen an indy do that because the RTC was improperly seated. Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

23 years, 12 months

Should engineers be licensed (Was "Geeks")

by csmith＠amdocs.com

-----Original Message----- From: CLeyson(a)aol.com [mailto:CLeyson@aol.com] > I sometimes wonder just how many customers we've lost because of this. > Also, dont get me wrong, the same should be applied to hardware design. > We recently interviewed an electronics engineering graduate who didn't know > the difference between NPN and PNP transistors !! What do they teach kids > these days ?? My guess is nothing. (Really... that's part of the reason I'm not in a hurry to get my degree) It's not that the couldn't teach anything, or that the "kids" couldn't learn if they tried, though, I think. It's more that they're too stupid to know that there's more to learning than showing up every day and reciting meaningless (to you) data. The really sad part is that schools are accommodating this attitude by adjusting their programs such that you really needn't (in fact, it becomes difficult to...) learn anything. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Troll got me (was Re: Is there no end)

by SUPRDAVE＠aol.com

In a message dated 12/16/2001 5:57:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, acme_ent(a)bellsouth.net writes: > >> From: SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com > > >>Gee, a message from an AOL user with no HTML . . . imagine that . . . harrumph, will wonders ever fuckin cease? > > >> Kwanzaa is NOT a real holiday. > > >Okay, I'll bite: why isn't it? > > figure it out yourself, google is around for a reason

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[PDP8-Lovers] Re: how to clean a PDP8/A, dishwasher?

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

For laughs, take a look at http://www.help-net.com/computer%20buddies/pc911/clean_your_hard_drive.htm -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Sell [mailto:msell@ontimesupport.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:16 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: [PDP8-Lovers] Re: how to clean a PDP8/A, dishwasher? <snip> Wrong. One manufacturer I worked for used a commercial Hobart dishwasher that was modified by an electronics distributer to include racks specifically made to handle printed circuit boards. This "boardwasher" was literally a dishwasher. Not a unique setup, either. You say there is a huge difference. What are the differences? Every boardwashing setup at every manufacturer I've consulted or been an employee of used a system that washes boards using higher water pressure and temperature than your common household dishwasher. If you are referring to a big difference, then I guess you are right. Your dishwasher is *MUCH* more gentle for the items being cleaned than the typical commercial boardwasher. <snip>

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[PDP8-Lovers] Re: how to clean a PDP8/A, dishwasher?

by Adrian.Graham＠corporatemicrosystems.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Sell [mailto:msell@ontimesupport.com] > Sent: 17 December 2001 16:41 > To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: [PDP8-Lovers] Re: how to clean a PDP8/A, dishwasher? > > Like I said before, don't take my word for it. Take an old, > dirty board > that you know works, and run it through the dishwasher. Dot > use the plate > warmer or drying functions. At the end of the cycle, remove > it, shake it > off, and allow it to dry for several days (hang it up). Plug > it back in - > it'll work. I this has already been mentioned, but also don't put boards in that have any sort of battery fitted or removeable labels you want to keep stuck on.... -- adrian

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Hardest to Find Classic Computers (Was: RE: Way OT: Just say no to squirrels & Pascal question)

by csmith＠amdocs.com

> -----Original Message----- > From: no [mailto:oliv555@arrl.net] > digital Alphabook. Not exactly Rare, just hard-to-find Last I checked you could get them refurbished from Tadpole/RDI. Depending on availability, of course, but they get them occasionally. They still cost several thousand dollars, IIRC. Regards, Chris Christopher Smith, Perl Developer Amdocs - Champaign, IL /usr/bin/perl -e ' print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n"); '

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Should engineers be licensed (Was "Geeks")

by CLeyson＠aol.com

Ben Franchuk wrote: > "Should HTML/inline files be banded from EMAIL?" I ask. > As of late I have turned inline viewing off, with all the > stupid viruses around. Thanks to AOL I can't turn this feature off :-( Chris

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[PDP8-Lovers] Re: how to clean a PDP8/A, dishwasher?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 16, 9:51, Johnny Billquist wrote: > On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, Mark Crispin wrote: > > I am appalled that anyone would seriously consider putting any electronic > > equipment, much less antiques, in a dishwasher. > > I'll have to agree. As has been said before, what do you think manufacturers do at the end of a production line? Yes, a certain amount of care is required, and certain things can't tolerate being soaked or being too hot or given too much mechanical agitation (stress). But how would you deal with a piece of equipment that was smoke damaged or had been left in the rain or had fallen in a river or had been infested with vermin or had a can of Coke spilled in it? I've had to deal with all of those and more over the last two decades, and washing is the only way. I don't advocate unneccessary cleaning, but sometimes it's required. > > It may be alright to (gently!) vaccuum away dust and deteriorated foam > > rubber, although a feather duster may be more appropriate. I would not > > risk anything else, and certainly not insert anything (including water or > > alcohol) under the plexiglass shield protecting the core. > > Vacuum cleaning (gently!) is about the only thing I'd recommend. Be careful about that. Allison's warning about ESD is quite real. Don't even think about a feather duster; at least, not if it's a synthetic one. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

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Free MC68020 User's Manual

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

I have a copy of the Motorola "MC68020 32-Bit Microprocessor User's Manual" (Second Edition, 1985) that was going to be tossed at work. Anyone want it? It's free for shipping costs (under 2 pounds) or pickup in Chicago Loop. Email me at robert_feldman(a)jdedwards.com if you are interested. Random drawing if more than one request by Wednesday AM. Bob

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Old Wrapped inCider....

by rhudson＠cnonline.net

drats!!!! I was handling it so carfully I did not notice the bottom of the plastic bag had been carefully opened. :^( I guess it's no big deal now. Are any of these magazine of interest to someone who has not a full set? When I finish reading them they are yours for a "sase". nibble august 1987 v8n8 inCider december 1987 inCider april 1989 If you want them let me know. Multiple requests will be decided based on order in my mail browser, topmost takes all. ;^)

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Another odd-ball/almost classic computer...8 yr old...

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Michael --- Just curious, what would you do with it, use it for? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: Michael Nadeau [mailto:menadeau@mediaone.net] ! Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 7:51 PM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: Another odd-ball/almost classic computer...8 yr old... ! ! ! I remember getting a press briefing on the Handbook before ! its release. ! Gateway did not manufacture the unit. I think it was made ! under contract in ! Taiwan. It was an interesting system that was not on the ! market for long. ! I'd grab one if the opportunity presented itself. ! ! --Mike ! ! Michael Nadeau ! Editorial Services ! 603-893-2379 ! ----- Original Message ----- ! From: "David Woyciesjes" <DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu> ! To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> ! Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 5:10 PM ! Subject: Another odd-ball/almost classic computer...8 yr old... ! ! ! > Just found this in a box... Has anyone here ever heard of a Gateway ! > 2000 Handbook computer? It's like a palmtop/laptop computer, ! 10"x6"x1.5"... ! > using a Chips & Tech. 8680 "PC on a chip". It has the 2MB ! RAM upgrade, to ! > bring it to a whopping 3MB! ! > And would you look at that, 40MB HDD... With the null modem cable, ! > it would make a great ultra-portable terminal... ! > ! > --- David A Woyciesjes ! > --- C & IS Support Specialist ! > --- Yale University Press ! > --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu ! > --- (203) 432-0953 ! > --- ICQ # - 905818 ! > !

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Databooks

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Pete - I'm forwarding this to ClassicCmp.org mail list for you. Someone there might want them... From: CaptnZilog(a)aol.com [mailto:CaptnZilog@aol.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 3:52 PM To: port-i386(a)netbsd.org Subject: OT: Databooks Way off topic here, but I figure that this list is probably looked at by most of the people out there. I have two xerox-paper boxes of duplicate Electronics Databooks I've weeded out of my three 7' high bookcases of databooks. Anybody out there in the vicinity of CT (probably not worth shipping them, its a lot of weight) interested in any databooks (to add to your collection?)? I can provide a list if you want. Some TI DSP databooks, and miscellaneous other stuff... Pete --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

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How did they string core?

by gehrich＠tampabay.rr.com

At 09:28 AM 12/17/01 -0500, you wrote: >Some manfacturers did it by hand, some by machine. IBM had core stringing > > machines during the S/360 era, for the huge stacks (about 1' by 4') used > > in some of the storage units. They also had cores hand strung in the far > > East, as the cheap labor was more economical than the robots. I was an industrial engineer assigned to the Core Line in Poughkeepsie for IBM. As the cores got small and smaller the operation became harder and harder. We used a large screen like device with slots in it. The cores were dropped onto the screen which was shaken so that the cores would fall into the proper holes. Then a button was pushed and the N/S and then the E/W wires pulled through the centers of the cores. The last part of the operation was the diagonal (bias) wires which were threaded though by hand. Very few individuals were capable of this last part of the operation. Almost all of the operators were women. Men just couldn't do the fine point work. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- gene(a)ehrich.com gehrich(a)tampabay.rr.com P.O. Box 3365 Spring Hill Florida 34611-3365 http://www.voicenet.com/~generic Computer & Video Game Garage Sale I accept PayPal To subscribe to automatic updates send a blank e-mail to: online-garage-sale-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com

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