OK, Bill, you wanted a PCI-based RS/6000?
One of our clients is trading up to an H80, and IBM just lowballed them
on their trade-in. They're putting thei old server on the market. It
ain't a classic or even uncommon, but I thought some of you guys might
be interested.
S70A 4-way
4G RAM
SSA - just adapters, they're keeping the drawer.
8 ethernet adapters, IIRC. 2 10/100, 6 10bT, subject to my CRAFT
Syndrome
PCI graphics, I think GXT120.
They're looking at about a $10,000 price tag, and a March 1 release
date. This guy has been lovingly & lavishly maintained.
Anybody interested can contact me for detailed specs.
Doc
--- "Jeffrey S. Sharp" <jss(a)subatomix.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>
> > I have been told there's a KS-10 somewhere in this town When I track
> > him down, I'll at least get pictures. I'll also see if he's bored
> > with it and make an offer.
>
> Wow, thanks. I'd appreciate any information you have.
Just found out yesterday that he doesn't have it anymore. No further
info. I asked if it was sold or scrapped or what, but my contact had
no idea. This guy would have gotten it from CompuServe circa 1994,
so I don't even know if he got rid of it recently or not.
Foo!
-ethan
P.S. - Still working on the SC-35s and SC-40s. *No* idea if I'll ever
be able to get one as they drop off service eventually. There are
still several dozen in active use in Columbus.
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--- Robert Schaefer <rschaefe(a)gcfn.org> wrote:
> Just out of curiousity, where is this town?
>
> Bob
>
> >
> > I have been told there's a KS-10 somewhere in this town (owned by a
> > former CompuServe employee...
Columbus, OH, home of CompuServe. Unfortunately, as I've already
written, I found out yesterday that at some point between 1994 and
last week, this guy got rid of it in an unspecified manner. :-(
-ethan
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I aquired an Apple Scribe printer last night (went back to the Thrift
Store and they hadn't repriced it, so I asked, and the guy let me have it
for $2).
It worked briefly, it printed the first 4 lines of a test pattern and
then jammed.
It looks like it may just need to be greased (the print carriage is
really hard to slide by hand, but not so hard that I am hitting motor
resistance, I just think after all these years, the guide bar may have
dried up enough).
But, before I get into opening it and regreasing it... I was seeing if
anyone had a manual for it and can tell me what the blinking light
indicates. When I turn it on, the Select Light blinks in patterns of
three (three blinks, pause, three blinks, pause...).
I did a quick google search, didn't turn up much (but found some places
to buy a new ribbon, and found a few "museum" listings for it). Apple's
TIL also didn't cover the lights (but has some control info so I can see
if I can get it to work with one of my computers).
Finally, does anyone know if there was ever a Mac driver for it? Or if
the Imagewriter driver will work with it? Apple's TIL seemed to indicate
it was just for the Apple II series (they leaned towards talking about
the IIc in conjunction with it, but since everything seemed to say the
application in use is what drives it, I would think just about any Apple
II with a serial card should be able to work with it).
I do know the archives showed someone else on the list found one of these
back in June, but there wasn't much said about it.
TIA
-c
! Wizard True blue of 70-A and P75 needs screen debugged, and small
! slew of Macs: 475, LCIII+, IIci and empty IIci hacked up box, 8500
! and parts of other models. Newer three AMD clones two socket As and
! slot A.
Huh?
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! > All,
! >
! > Does anyone have a VT100 compatible terminal they
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! > Thanks,
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! > Bryan Pope
!
!
! There is ahamfest coming up here in St. Joseph, I'll keep my
! eyes open.
!
! Gary Hildebrand
St. Joseph, where?
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> > Hmmm, your firstborn?
>
> Name the movie:
>
> "We'll kill every first-born son!"
> "No, too Jewish."
Life of Brian, or History of the World, Part I?
Still waiting for part II, "Jews in Space"...
-dq
In a message dated 12/18/01 10:38:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
doc(a)mdrconsult.com writes:
<< I had sort of gotten the impression that PCs don't count on this list.
I have a 5870-121 that I snarked recently, with 4 megs of RAM and a
120M ESDI drive. I'm wondering what I want to put on it as OS. I have
plenty of Linux/NetBSD critters. I was thinking OS/2, but I threw v3.0
Warp on Saturday night, but it's slow as dirt with 4 megs. Oh, yeah. It
had the original reference disk in the floppy drive. I think that's
really why I bought it.
I also have a Model 25 386dx/16 which is one of my favorites. It had
a token-ring ISA adapter, as well as an 8-bit ethernet adapter I can't
ID, no hard-drive, and was set up to netboot. I finally found the J-leg
387 for it, stuck in a 500m drive with EZ-drive, and run PC-DOS &
Lemmings, mostly. >>
The 8570 you have is not bad, but way too small and not really easy as far as
drive expansion goes. put the max amount of 16meg memory in it and os2 will
thank you. mod80 is much better for expansion. that 386 8525 is neat, but not
really rare. I wouldnt consider any PS/2 rare except for maybe the PS/2 E
which I would just call uncommon.
Happy Festivus!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cameron Kaiser [mailto:spectre@stockholm.ptloma.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 9:53 AM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: OS/2
>
>
> > > hi -- im new to this list but an old fan of os2 -- i
> would love the warp
> > > server if you could part with it or copy it -- what would
> you want in
> > > return ? ------- billp
>
> > Hmmm, your firstborn?
>
> Name the movie:
>
> "We'll kill every first-born son!"
> "No, too Jewish."
>
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> From: ajp166 <ajp166(a)bellatlantic.net>
> Women would work for lower wage than men doing a tedious
> task that was fairly skill intensive.
Story of my mom's life -- she was a master of the soldering iron, and
top-of-the-line at Convair (wiring electrical harnesses in aircraft) and
Swan (assembling transceivers). She had to work quickly, there was no
margin for error, and she never made diddly, money-wise.
I'm really grateful that she taught me how to solder at an early age,
though ;>)
Glen
0/0
From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
>> Right on very few if any! Most went to byte wide or multiples of byte
>> wide... give a guess why?
>4 bit TTL? IBM-360's? ASCII ?
All of the above, though I believe the predominence of ASCII for IO
had a big impact and even IBM coding {EBDIC???} wanted around
8 bits.
>If you don't keep ISZ and I/O instructions the same speed that
>seems quite possible. The PDP-X runs at 8 MHZ and executes 1 memory
>cycle every 500 ns. http://surfin.spies.com/~dgc/pdp8x/ That is 3x
>faster than a PDP-8/I with PDP timing.
ISZ was expendable though very useful. The PDP-8 style of IO however
was where a lot of the power in that machine was hidden. You could
seriously extend the machine there.
>> is simpler in some respects but far less flexible when it comes to
>> fixing a bent opcode.
>
>Bent opcode ... that is where you use the BIG HAMMER!
>In the design I was prototyping I had a lot of short instructions thus
>a 512x32? rom was more than ample.
Bent in that you might want a load to always be some opcode and
a logic change down stream makes it something different do to gating.
A PLA or Prom to translate opcodes from a irregular pattern
of hardware convenience to something regular is handy.
Besides with 48 bits of ucode the address of the next instruction is
in the ucode and the logic is a really wide prom with a really wide
latch and a really simple next address select logic (some LS257s).
No counters or incrementors, The translated opcode from the prom
was the source of the high order ucode address after a "next
instuction fetch". Made the ucode very simple though not very
efficient in terms of bits. Eproms though slow made it cheap with
bipolar proms as follow up for speed.
Allison
From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca>
>But then I find 6800/6809 code more readable than "You Know Who"
I kinda figured that. Just like I prefer Z80 opcodes to 8080 as they
are more regular in format.
>This will be simple polled loop with interrupts disabled regardless
>of what chip I use. I would love to have had DMA but I ran out resources
>for it. In fact DMA is rather messy as I don't tri-state the address bus
Polled loop has speed requirements and the problem of what to do
if the FDC never sees dat and has to error out.
>and would have to stop the CPU for a free memory cycle. If I was
>doing this on a I/O card I most likely would have a sector buffer
>their rather than dma.
The last design I did that way save for ram was cheap by then so
I did a full track buffer.
Allison
Linux MCA would ahve appeal but likely wont happen for a 286 boxen
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Boatman on the River of Suck <vance(a)ikickass.org>
To: Tothwolf <tothwolf(a)concentric.net>
Cc: Classic Computers <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Speaking of PS/2s...
>On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Tothwolf wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2001, Doc wrote:
>> > On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 SUPRDAVE(a)aol.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > The 8570 you have is not bad, but way too small and not really easy
as far as
>> > > drive expansion goes. put the max amount of 16meg memory in it and
os2 will
>> > > thank you.
>> >
>> > That requires an expansion board, right? The little info I can find
>> > suggests that 3 2M SIMMs is max, onboard.
>>
>> I thought I was the only PS/2 fan here :P
>
>I was one of the developers who worked on Linux/MCA.
>
>> Depending on the model of your board, you could have a max of 6mb or 8mb.
>> To add more memory, you would need an expansion board. One of the better
>> boards I that I used to use in model 60 machines was made by Kingston and
>> took up to 4 72pin simms.
>
>I believe the BXX series could do 16 MB on the board. Plus the 72-pin
>SIMMs weren't your standard plain-vanilla ones. They had PS/2 Presence
>Detect (PPD) feature on them.
>
>> One of the best non IBM references I ever found for the PS/2 line is a
>> book called "Upgrading and Repairing PCs", written by Scott Mueller, and
>> published by QUE. The last edition that had the PS/2 info in it was the
>> 4th edition. I never owned a hardcopy of the 4th edition, but I have an
>> electronic version of it that came on cdrom with the 10th edition. I
>> completely wore out my 2nd and 3rd editions of the book. (If anyone has a
>> 4th edition in good shape that they don't want, I'd be more than willing
>> to pay shipping.)
>
>I have a better source. I have the internal IBM technical manuals and
>schematics for every PS/2 ever made, including rare ones like the N51SX,
>and the 43SL.
>
>Peace... Sridhar
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: r. 'bear' stricklin [mailto:red@bears.org]
> Guess what? It's for a PS/2.
> What you have is an IRISVISION display adapter. Check out
> Louis Ohland's
> "9595 Ardent Tool of Capitalism" page.
I have just such a board that was a pull from an RS/6000. I wasn't aware
that many of them sold for use in PS/2. In fact, their use in the machines
(IIRC) was originally just for testing purposes because they booted faster
than the RS/6000s ;)
Nice board. Wish I could do something with it (Like get an rs/6000 and
software to drive it!) :)
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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> From: Chris <mythtech(a)Mac.com>
> Oh, you need to come up here, and visit the heavily black neighborhoods
> of Jersey City (conviently, right where my wife grew up)... there,
> Kwanzaa is a big deal, and it has NOTHING to do with retailers getting
> their money. It has everything to do with their not celebrating christmas
> because that is whitey's holiday, and crackers are the enemy (their
> terms, not mine...
No thanks! I think I'll stay away from your neck of the woods! It's bad
enough here! In the last five years there have been a dozen shootings and
one murder within a quarter-mile radius from my shop. I keep the place
looking run-down so I won't get robbed. Not to imply that all these crimes
were committed by black folk -- but the fact is that most of them were . .
From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
>Yup! That's already been pointed out ... I made the choice to use the
Western
>MFM-capable part back in '78 and never looked back. I let someone else
tell me
>why, but I never regretted it. The process with the Western part is
apparently
>the same, though there was something critical that the NEC part didn't do.
>Maybe it had to do with altering the gap lengths in order to accomodate an
extra
>sector, or some such. Of course, possible or not, I never ended up doing
that
>either.
Gaps are programmable too. There are two things the 765 will not do:
Munged
wacky formats like using deleted address mark for address mark {you can post
format with deleted data} and it was not designed to pump out all the raw
bits/splices/marks from the media.
Things it did do that the WD never had: Multiple seeks or recals, timing
for the
stepper, head load delay, head settle delay.
The biggest difference: register based programming vs command packet to a
"port".
I've used both and someplaces one or the other is better. On the whole the
WD
parts always seemed to be first generation. The upside for the 765 based
was
the very highly integrated super chips like the 36c766 and later.
Allison
Here's a PDP-11/34 with RK05 drives available. If I had
somewhere to put it, I wouldn't mind picking it up myself as it's
only a few hours from here. But no room....so, I'm passing it on to
the group. Please reply to the original poster shown below.
Jeff
>Status: RO
>Reply-To: <r.m.faison(a)larc.nasa.gov>
>From: "Richard Faison" <r.m.faison(a)larc.nasa.gov>
>To: <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
>Subject: pdp-11/34 for rescue
>Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:47:30 -0500
>X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
>Importance: Normal
>
>have "won" a rack full of pdp-11/34 (w/2 rko5a drives) that needs a good
>home
>any suggestions e-mail me @ day-o(a)cavtel.net or call (757) 865-0000 x244
>(days)
>or (757) 850-4220 (evenings)
>
>thanks
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com [mailto:pete@dunnington.u-net.com]
> > *Really*? What are my chances of finding one? I'd love to
> have an IRIS
> > 3000, if I found that I could fit it in the house. :) Did
> they run the
> > early versions of IRIX?
> Um, no, not really. I'm sure a Cyber 910 is a rebadged 4D/35
> (or variant,
> depending on the Cyber suffix), very similar to an Indigo,
> and much smaller
> than a 3000. There are plenty of pictures on the web, and
> references in
> the 4D FAQ. They'll run IRIX 4 or IRIX 5.
Well, that's disappointing, but 4D is still nice.
I do have my heart set on eventually running an m68k-based SGI though.
Regards,
Chris
Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
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Anybody got the pinout for the following:
DEC 380 bus receiver
DEC 97401 bus receiver
DEC 384 (or DEC 5384, which I think is the same) bus driver
Are any of these similar to an 8880, 8881, or 8640? Or to any of the 8Txx
or any more modern ICs?
I'm trying to fix an interrupt fault on my PDP-8/E, and having a bit of
trouble following the circuit. My M8650 isn't quite the same as the
diagrams in the Maintenance Manual :-(
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
> > In real life, it's pretty tough to convince management that you should
start
> > all over. The typical reaction is to put the prototype in a box and sell
as
> > is :-(
>
> Another manifestation of the "There isn't enough time to do it right but
> there's enough time to do it over" school of thought :-(
Is this Darwinian? That is, do people who lose their common sense
and become stupid just naturally rise up into management (a la
The Peter Principle)? Or do they willingly learn to be stupid
once they rise up into management?
Chris, you're management, so I know this isn't universal (how
has your brain survived?) but it's damned prolifigate...
-dq
>From: Chad Fernandez <fernande(a)internet1.net>
>
>I've never seen core in real life...... how small are the wires?
>
My 8/E 4k core looked to be about 40 gauge. The 8/E also had an 8k core
and the 8/A a 16k core. They would be even smaller.
Here is my pictures of the PDP-8/E 4kx12 core board.
http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8em/pics/g619a-300.shtml?small
Closeup of a small section letting you see the wires (select large size
to really see them).
http://www.pdp8.net/pdp8em/pics/g619a-bit.shtml?small
David Gesswein
http://www.pdp8.net/ -- Run an old computer with blinkenlights.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Willing [mailto:jimw@agora.rdrop.com]
> Now, the bad... while cleaning it up (about 6 lbs of dust in
> the box) and
> getting ready to image off the hard drive (backups are always a good
> thing, no?), either I fumble fingered something or my drive
> test/backup
> program was having a 'bad hair day', cause it nuked the boot
> record on the
> drive! (AARGH!)
Oops. :)
> 'Course... just to add insult to injury, it then went
> happily ahead and
> ran off the image of the hard drive just like I wanted in the
> first place,
> minus a valid boot record of course. B^{
Well, you have a good image. That's a start.
> So... would anyone perhaps have an appropriate boot disk on a 3.5HD
> floppy that I could get, and any convienient hints on how to
> regenerate
> the boot for this thing?
Was it just the MBR that got nuked? Lots of times on intel systems, those
are similar if not identical. All the boot-loader magic is handled in the
second-stage loader near the beginning of the partition, or something like
that. :)
If that is the case, you may be able to replace it with the MBR from an
MS-DOS bootable hard-disk. Also the DOS command FDISK/MBR is known to
restore the MBR to such a state that at least MS-DOS will boot. If Xenix
expected the standard DOS MBR, you'd be all set.
So you could try making an MS-DOS bootable floppy, copying FDISK.EXE to the
floppy, booting the machine from that and running the command. If the Xenix
MBR really is different, then you may still be able to get away with using
the DOS loader, provided there's a second-stage boot-loader in the right
place on the Xenix partition. You would just use FDISK to set the bootable
partition flag on the partition you'd like to boot, and the DOS boot-loader
will try to pass control to a second-stage on that partition.
Once you got in, of course, you could re-install the proper Xenix
boot-loader (instboot?)
I would back up the MBR first. I think there are utilities with most
boot-loader apps that will do that.
(Note that this is more-or-less speculative, but I'd like to know if you try
it, and specifically, whether it works)
Regards,
Chris
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