test-drb November 2001

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Clearly OT (but what the hell...) (was: food

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Yes, and pastichio is reall good too.. especially with stuffed grapeleaves and spinach pie. Here in Framingham we are very fortunate to have excellent dining from the non-franchise food groups. Italian, Brazialian, and Greek are among favorites as in Hunan and Korean. Allison From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 4:23 PM Subject: Re: Clearly OT (but what the hell...) (was: food >On Nov 6, 14:47, Roger Merchberger wrote: > >> and 1 greek restaurant, which is extremely good but don't serve enough >> (IMHO) choices in the way of greek food... They have gyros, kalamari, and >a >> few other dishes & the rest - american. (damn good american, but american >> nonetheless...) >> :-( >> I'm continually begging them for new greek stuff - you can get a burger >> anywhere, after all - and I was *finally* greeted with something new this >> Saturday (don't recall the name, some type of lamb & beef dish with a >> baked pancake-like topping - started with an "M") and it was fantastic! > >Moussaka? Layers of minced[1] lamb and fried aubergines[2] with eggs, >greek yoghurt[3], and baked. Mmm, very nice! I had some last night. > >[1] you'd probably call that ground lamb >[2] eggplant >[3] thick yoghurt made from sheep's milk > >-- >Pete Peter Turnbull > Network Manager > University of York >

23 years, 1 month

Clearly OT (but what the hell...) (was: food

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 6, 14:47, Roger Merchberger wrote: > (Oh, and as an aside, what's Haggis?) Minced sheep's liver, lungs, and heart (the "pluck"), mixed with oatmeal, suet, and spices, sewn into the sheep's stomach bag and boiled. I grew up in Edinburgh with the stuff and I hate it, but many consider it a delicacy. Traditionally served with boiled mashed potatoes ("tatties") and turnip ("neeps") and on special occasions like Burn's Night with a glass of whisky. Search for "Macsween" on the web -- theirs are widely rated the best. I've only once seen it served for breakfast, thank goodness. I put that on a par with the person I saw eat two raw onions with a cup of coffee for breakfast. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 1 month

hard-sector 5 1/4 disk

by mhstein＠usa.net

This time I think I can say without making an a%% of myself that Commodore also did that from day one; most if not all their drives had CPU's to handle the IEEE interface ... m ----------------Original Message-------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:21:49 -0500 From: Jeff Hellige <jhellige(a)earthlink.net> Subject: Re: hard-sector 5 1/4 disk >The Atari 8-bit drives all had them that I can recall, Percom, Indus, >Trak, etc. The Indus GT was one nice drive and they made it for other machines than just the Atari line. It was interesting to sit there and listen to it while watching the track readout change. I've never torn one apart to check but I'm told that they used a Z80 in the drive to control everything which would be interesting since that'd make the chip in the drive as powerful as the main CPU of the machine it was attached to. Jeff

23 years, 1 month

Clearly OT (but what the hell...) (was: food

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Nov 6, 14:47, Roger Merchberger wrote: > and 1 greek restaurant, which is extremely good but don't serve enough > (IMHO) choices in the way of greek food... They have gyros, kalamari, and a > few other dishes & the rest - american. (damn good american, but american > nonetheless...) > :-( > I'm continually begging them for new greek stuff - you can get a burger > anywhere, after all - and I was *finally* greeted with something new this > Saturday (don't recall the name, some type of lamb & beef dish with a > baked pancake-like topping - started with an "M") and it was fantastic! Moussaka? Layers of minced[1] lamb and fried aubergines[2] with eggs, greek yoghurt[3], and baked. Mmm, very nice! I had some last night. [1] you'd probably call that ground lamb [2] eggplant [3] thick yoghurt made from sheep's milk -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 1 month

Apple 11 c

by vcf＠vintage.org

Please contact Phyllis directly if you are interested in this computer. Reply-to: saffta(a)mediaone.net ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2001 10:28:13 -0500 From: Phyllis Cohen/Promotivation Concepts <saffta(a)mediaone.net> To: donate(a)vintage.org Subject: Apple 11 c We have an Apple 11C w/monitor & modem. Have you any interest? A prompt response will be appreciated or my husband is tossing it this week. Phyllis Cohen Promotivation Concepts ASI# 301435 84 Cynthia Road Newton MA 02459 tel: 617-964-1315 fax: 617-964-1363 Saffta(a)mediaone.net Phyllis(a)promotivation.com -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

23 years, 1 month

OT: Chemistry Sets (was RE: Rubber Restorer...)

by Robert_Feldman＠jdedwards.com

Yeah, chem sets are pretty tame now :( -- can't do many real reactions other than make C02 from bicarb. My father was a chemist and added many chemicals to the Gilbert set we had (more than 10 years old, so somewhat on topic). I do shudder a bit to think of some of things we did, though, like playing with big globs of mercury in our hands. BTW, water glass is Sodium Silicate, not phenothalien. And carbon tet, not benzene, was dry cleaning fluid. As kids, my brothers and I used carbon tet in killing jars to gas butterflys for our collection. It is banned in most places now, and benzene use is severely restricted, as it too is a strong carcinogen and bad for your internal organs. -----Original Message----- From: Russ Blakeman [mailto:rhblakeman@kih.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 8:14 AM To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Rubber Restorer... And many of the classic sets have replacements for the original chemicals. A friend bought a 1965 chemistry set and in place of phenothalien (water glass) it was just plain water, as had the sulfur been filled with dry mustard and confectioner's sugar mixed. No telling what else... -> -----Original Message----- -> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org -> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Douglas Quebbeman -> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:37 AM -> To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' -> Subject: RE: Rubber Restorer... -> -> -> > I wonder if children's chemistry sets still come with all the -> > interesting chemicals? -> -> For the most part, no... you have to buy the old chemistry -> sets if you want those (many vintage chemistry sets trade -> on E-Bay). -> -> -dq ->

23 years, 1 month

One-off vs. One-of (was Re: CPU design at the gate level)

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Of the instances I know of most one-off's never were from an assembly line just attempts to change or demonstrate a concept. The R&D group I worked with always was producing prototypes and proof-of-concept devices. The proof-of-concept units were mostly breadboard style with wires and components in any order and not in any form factor. A prototype was then constructed, sometimes milled of plastic or aluminum, it mimicked the final units appearance. The prototypes went through several interations to make a manufacturable model that could be made within the cost desired. Then the manufacturing engineers came in and tried to make it repairable and assembleable. The whole process is currently much compressed with the manufacturing engineers included from the beginning to reduce cost and time-to-market. Our group made medical microbiology devices designed by aerospace engineers, way overengineered, and with more feedback sensors than you could believe. We started out with PDP 11/05 , then migrated to 11/04. They eventually wanted to replace our PDP-11/04, with VT52, based computer systems with homegrown computer, terminal, and printer. Never implemented. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

23 years, 1 month

Rubber Restorer...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> I wonder if children's chemistry sets still come with all the > interesting chemicals? For the most part, no... you have to buy the old chemistry sets if you want those (many vintage chemistry sets trade on E-Bay). -dq

23 years, 1 month

CPU design at the gate level

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Tony, Faster as in is sub 150ns are fairly common and cheap. Whats problemtic is that the ALU must do about 8-16 different operations so that would be at least a 512kN part or larger. Also 74(ALS,F,AS)381 in the 16 bit or wider range would be hard pressed to do better than 50ns even with carry lookahead. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, November 05, 2001 7:06 PM Subject: Re: CPU design at the gate level >> How about programming an EPROM with a lookup >> table to emulate an ALU? > >Sure, if you want one that takes 250ns or so to produce a result (the >access time of most cheap EPROMS). The 74x181 is going to be rahter >faster than that, I think. > >I have thought about using fast-ish RAMs (cache rams from old PC >motherboards) as poor-man's programmable logic. It would run at a >sensible speed, and wouldn't need proprietry programming tools. > >-tony >

23 years, 1 month

I-Modem protocol

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>Two thoughts: The WildCat BBS has (IIRC) the IMODEM protocol; contact >the WildCat prople and ask them for just that single module (they >want about $800 for the BBS source code). I'll give them a try, thanks. >Secondly... reverse engineering by setting up a second PC running >any terminal emulator, try sending a file from the IMODEM-only device, >surely it will respond to ACK/NAK... try NAKing some packets, ACK some >others, dump the result, start hacking... Humm... that's an idea. Lots of work, and maybe more than the project is worth, but certainly an idea I will keep in mind for a day when I get pissed off enough at the current interface. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 1 month

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test-drb November 2001