On Nov 14, 14:32, Rich Beaudry wrote:
> I recently received a Xebec Sider drive (external hard drive for the
Apple
> II) -- Thanks RE!
>
> It did not, however, come with the card that goes in the Apple II, nor
did
> it come with the cable.
What would it look like? I assume it would have a ribbon connector between
the Apple card and the Sider. Do you know how many pins? I don't think
the card I have is what you want, but you never know...
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Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Skip to the the end part of this message to learn what typical
American meals truly consisted of in the pre-vegetarian times. Hint:
...it wasn't fast food or hamburgers. :-)
On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote:
> You forgor the 80's..... hamburger chains WITH salad bars! Wendys was
> the longest running, well into the 90s, but Burger King had one for a
> short while too, maybe even McDonalds too... I don't recall.
The first fast-food chain that I recall having a salad bar, and that
was back around the late 1970's, was White Coffee Pot Jr... not sure
if they were just a Baltimore area phenomena or if they existed
elsewhere. They were not the typical fast food chain, as, in addition
to the salad bar, one could get fried shrimp, carrot cake, crab soup,
and towards the end, cheese steak subs. The french fries were
delicious as they were cooked in chicken fat (that was back in my
pre-semi-vegetarian days); trying to remember if they sold fried
chicken as well - I think they did, but can't swear to it.
Next, Gino's hamburger chain had a salad bar - that was back in the
late 1970's as well. It was an "all you can eat" salad bar, and, if
one purchased a hamburger, one could use any toppings one wanted from
the salad bar on it - the styrofoam packaging used back then made it
very convenient to fit lots of salad toppings in with a hamburger to
go.
> Mike Ford wrote:
>
> > Different foods have there times, around the 60s it was "chili bowl"
> > joints, 70s salad bars, 80s hamburger chains (that failed to go away).
> > Whats an orthodox diner meal, lettuce salad, meat and potatoes with gravy,
> > some kind of veggie, and a slice of pie. How about a guess on the top ten
> > favorite foods in USA (by meals eaten)?
Ok, to help the rest of the world understand the truth about American
food, here's what typical American meals really consisted of in the
pre-vegeterian times:
When I was growing up, we always had a wide variety of vegetables -
and they were fresh, not frozen/canned, when in season (corn, peas,
string beans, lima beans, peas, sweet potatoes, broccoli, brussel
sprouts, lettuce, tomatoes, etc...) with meals; potatoes were often
mashed and served with gravy - sometimes they were baked and topped
with salt, pepper and butter or margarine. Meats consisted of roasts,
steaks, pork chops, ham, chicken, lean ground beef, shrimp, and
occasional Cornish game hens. In the summer we also had fried
chicken, crab cakes, hamburgers outside on the grill, fried tomatoes,
corn on the cob, fried eggplant, fresh salads (definitely not limited
to lettuce, by the way), watermellon, etc. There was always fresh
fruit to go along with lunches, such as apples, peackes, nectarines,
pears, oranges, etc. ...then meals with a turkey to be sliced on
Thanksgiving and Christmas. ...and for breakfast, one or more of:
cereal with milk, toast, scrambled eggs, waffles, french toast,
grapefruit, bacon or Taylor's pork roll, and orange juice to drink.
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Mike Ford wrote:
>Maybe I am being simple, but putting in the top bid seems like the sure
>route to acquiring this unit.
>Anybody have a CLUE as to its value as scrap?
If somebody can give me an idea of how many boards there are in such a
machine, ideally a picture of some boards, or at least an estimate as to the
dimensions of said boards and what sort of package chips they used, plastic,
ceramic, gold capped or gold pins etc, I'll try to come up with a ballpark
figure, and might ask some other people I know in the business for input. I
scrap/dispose of/remarket gear for a living, so I've dealt with a lot of
scrap, though nothing really mainframe related. Gold processors like Pentium
60's have around $50 a pound worth of gold in them, never pentiums maybe only
$35 to $40(that's what's in them, the scrapyards will pay around half that)
The presence of other things like platinum, palladium, rhodium or other more
exotic metals can complicate these calculations, and old processors most
likely have more precious metals content than the old pentiums. If they use
anything like the TCM modules in IBM mainframes (the HUGE PGA package chips
maybe 4 inches on a side, and use them in any quantity, there may be some
real scrap value, since those things have around $75 worth of metals apiece
in them by current prices. Standard PC motherboards go for around 65 cents a
pound, daughtercards go for almost $1/lb, card edges $25/lb. Aluminum drives
go for around 10 cents/lb or so, more like 15 when the Al market is decent.
The racks are pretty much worthless if they're steel. I've heard figures as
high as $3/lb on old Q-bus boards, though I'm not sure if the place was
buying them for scrap or resale as Q-bus boards. If anybody can get me any
further information I'll do my best to come up with a figure.
-Chris
On November 15, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
> > > I strongly recommend doing so if you plan on working on pre-PC era
> > > machines. They do break. But repairing them can actually be quite
> >
> > I strongly recomend you learn electronics no matter what sort of
> > machine you work on.
>
> Well, that does it. I'm going to stay an extra few years at college and
> get a second degree: Electrical & Computer Engineering. Now, look what
> you've done, you bastards! :-)
Of course that won't necessarily mean you'll come out knowing
anything about electrical & computer engineering.
Oh wait, you didn't say "computer science". Nevermind.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
On November 15, Iggy Drougge wrote:
> >Just announced on /., the venerable HP3000 line will join HP calculators
> >in HP's new "we don't want to do cool stuff anymore" business model.
>
> You're forgetting that PA-RISC is also in the same position. It's called
> "legacy", isn't it?
Of course. Anything non-Intel non-Windows is automatically
"legacy", remember?
-Dave
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Dave McGuire
St. Petersburg, FL
There's been some talk about Cromemco recently, and in one single Usenet post,
I read something about a Cromemco UNIX box actually being a DIAB design.
Presumably, this would be a 680[23]0 design. Do you have any ideas?
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.
SCSI is *NOT* magic. There are *fundamental technical
reasons* why it is necessary to sacrifice a young goat
to your SCSI chain now and then. -- John Woods
I just acquired my first two Sun workstations. One is a 3/50, which came
>from a list member (thanks, and don't feel so bad about destroying my cell
phone :-) :-) ), and the other is a 3/60, which came from elsewhere. A
few monitors, keyboards, and drives made it in there somewhere, also. I
still have a Sparcserver 490 in my, um, "storage facility" (read: parents'
garage) that was a stowaway from a trip earlier this year. The Sun
collection has started.
Another list member graciously donated two RX01 units, which will
eventually make their way into some sort of PDP-11.
So far, I'm met 4 list members IRL. I hope to see more of you soon.
The biggest news is that I'm getting some more room. A LOT more room.
Of course, another way of looking at it is that my wife has decided she's
a lesbian, wants a divorce, and is moving in with her new girlfriend.
Either way you see it, I'm going to be making some changes around my
house. First, all of the traditional living space and sleeping space will
be compressed into one room. The bathroom, kitchen, and utility room will
retain their functions. The rest of the house will become my
retrocomputing playpen. The detached garage, now devoid of her car, will
make a great storage area for stuff I'm not actively playing with. I
don't have a large house, but all in all, I estimate I'm getting about 500
to 750 additional square feet to do stuff in.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
>Anyone out there have a HD50, 4 bay external SCSI enclosure they are
>willing to part with (trade/money/etc.)? I've noticed that I've accumulated
>a small pile of old IDC50 1gig SCSI drives and I have decided to actually
>use them instead of allow them to keep my computer room door propped open.
>I've verified that they work, etc, but my little case cannot fit more than
>2 drives (yes, a sucky mid-tower) and logically, an external would suit my
>needs. Finding them on ebay is like looking to pay porshe prices for a
>yugo. I last saw one (actually a 2 bay HD50) go for about $130 US, USED
>without power supply! Is there anyone out there willing to help spare my
>sanity for my SCSI obscession? Maybe it will give me room to play with my
>2X SCSI CD-ROM drive and 250Meg Tape Drive...
I "built" one of these a while back. I bought a cable from MCM
Electronics (Cent on each end, and 4 IDC in the middle). I think the
cable was about $40. I then stuck my drives (a CD burner and an HD, with
2 spaces to spare), into a spare PC computer case (I paid $20 on the case
with a 250 watt PS included). The case gave me access to 4 5.25 1/2
height bays, and 2 3.5 bays (all bays are external, no additional
internal, however, since there was no logic board, I could mount things
on their side using that space if I had wanted to). For heat venting, I
placed an extra case fan (I used one of those slot mount ones since I had
it on hand). I also scrounged up some old slot plates that fit the
centronics connectors on the back (don't remember where I got them, but I
had them from something... I think you can buy them for a buck or two).
It worked very well for about a year, then I needed the case for a PC,
and I had upgraded my internal HD so I no longer needed the extra SCSI
drive. Now the CD burner sits on top of an old external Jasmine HD case
so I can use the PS and IDC to Cent cable from it (since the Jasmine
drive is LONG since dead anyway).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
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From: Kristoffer Lawson <setok(a)fishpool.com>
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Subject: Ataris @ The Alternative Party
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 18:08:49 +0000 (UTC)
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Just a quick note about the rather neat computer party we're organising:
The Alternative Party is basically about collecting a wide variety
of alternative demo platforms together into an event for people who love
machines with personality, and who are trying to create demos with them.
Previously we've seen Falcons, Amigas, C64s, a Vectrex, a Commodore
PET, a Telmac, Spectrums, UNIX workstations etc. etc. We are also combining
all of this with experimental and alternative art. Some artists who will be
playing live at the 3-day event: Pnmf!, Tero M?yr?nen (plays live music with
synths and a C64), Telamurska, Happo, Analogia, No I Aint.
It will take place in Helsinki, Finland from the 11th of January to the 13th.
For more information contact me or visit the website,
http://www.altparty.org/ (check the archive for an invitro from Wildfire
for the Falcon!).
In addition, we've set up an area for collecting together information about
cool machines and interesting art, or the "Alternative Wiki". Absolutely
anybody can contribute information to it by clicking "Edit Text" at the
bottom of any page, and add new pages freely. If there are people here who
would like to contribute, please do! The Alternative Wiki can be found at
http://www.altparty.org/wiki/.
Hope to see some of you there.
--
Kristoffer Lawson | Setok / Aggression | Main Alternative Party organiser
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