Hi!
this is exactly one of the things I alsways wanted to have. Is there
somebody around who would want to get rid of one? (daisy-wheel printer that is)
Oliver.
> my basement of all places!
> An Olympia RO printer, that is bout serial and parallel and, uses a
> diasy-wheel instead of being dot matrix. Wow, I forgot that I had the
> thing!
> Eric
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2001, Jeff Hellige wrote:
>
> > >Apparantly, there are parts of the US where you can't swing
> > >a dead cat without hitting a Lisa that someone wants to get
> > >rid of... but the three of us don't live there!
> >
> > Well maybe if the list knew where this place was, we could go
> > liberate some of these Lisa's? <g> I know around here they aren't
> > plentiful like that. It took me quite a while to come up with one
> > and it came from California.
>
> Yeah, we wipe our asses with them here ;)
Damned good thing, too,
y'all's asses be in severe need of major wiping...
<wink, wink>
-dq
> > Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
> > > We don't have them around here, tho... libraries
> > > around here are lucky to be able to keep the
> > > electricity on...
> >
> > Tothwolf wrote:
> > > and are very much in need of an overhaul and
> > > cleaning (very poor copies).
> >
> >
> > I swear, from some of the things you folks say, it
> > seems like most of you live in some third world country.
>
> Nah, just cities/states where the local government would rather spend
> money on fancy buildings and $1000 toilet seats instead of stuff the
> community can actually make use of.
Yeah; same here in Louisville, but instead, they're thinking
about building a stadium downtown in order to attract an NBA
team. The Charlotte Hornets were the latest team they courted...
-dq
> Portrait displays are a technology which is sadly extinct nowadays.
> Nevertheless, the old PARC machines used such displays, even at a similar
> resolution to Apple's. They occupy less space on the table and are ideal for
> wordprocessing.
I'd really very much like to have an Apple Portrait Display (I think
it was called the Full-Page Display). Very nice, I used on on a IIsi,
had Xerox Smalltalk-80 loaded on it, used it just like a little Alto.
-dq
> Douglas Quebbeman wrote:
> > We don't have them around here, tho... libraries
> > around here are lucky to be able to keep the
> > electricity on...
>
> Tothwolf wrote:
> > and are very much in need of an overhaul and
> > cleaning (very poor copies).
>
> I swear, from some of the things you folks say, it
> seems like most of you live in some third world country.
Oh, God, I feel another song coming on...
But instead, yeah, Louisville KY metro area. Third World.
Ten years ago, in a Wendy's, this guy comes in looking
enough like Li'l Abner (plaid shirt, bluejeans w/rolled-
up cuffs and bare feet) that I had to check to make sure
that a Dogpatch musical wasn't playing... it wasn't, this
guy had never heard that you can't enter a restaurant with
bare feet.
Most people with tech skills leave for better opportunities
on the left coast. In the music scene, "The Louisville Sound"
is the sound of a 727 taking our musicians to L.A.
A major local issue is the destruction of roads by steel-
wheeled tractors. They're not just for Amish, you know.
And the cable company will be the only provider of "the
last mile" to my subdivision for at least the next 5 years.
I'm 19473 feet away from my CO, so unless a new technology
gets deployed, I'll be on 56k dialup for the forseeable
future. That ain't smoke signals or talking drums, but it
ain't really high tech anymore, either.
Regards,
-dq
>Anybody know what a 40 Gb is at CompUSA here in the US?
I think I saw in last weeks flyer they were going for about $80 for an
IDE internal 7200rpm Maxtor.
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
Iggy et al.,
> This might interest some of <you> out there: http://www.trinary.cc/
Yep. Interestingly there is an alternate formulation known as the
*Balanced* trinary number system. (One of the folks around here wants to
label it "BaTeNuS".)
The idea is that the digits, rather than being 0, 1, 2 for each
place value, are (-1), 0, 1, meaning subtract, don't do either, or add the
place value in which that digit appears. For convenience I'll write (-1) as
"n" below, though in (LaPlace's?) original work it was written as 1 with an
overstrike.
Decimal Batenus Explanation
...
-9 n00 (-1) * 3^2 + 0 + 0
-8 n01 (-1) * 3^2 + 0 + 1 * 3^0
-7 n1n (-1) * 3^2 + 1 * 3^1 + (-1) * 3^0
-6 n10 (-1) * 3^2 + 1 * 3^1 + 0
-5 n11 (-1) * 3^2 + 1 * 3^1 + 1 * 3^0
-4 nn 0 + (-1) * 3^1 + (-1) * 3^0
-3 n0 0 + (-1) * 3^1 + 0
-2 n1 0 + (-1) * 3^1 + 1 * 3^0
-1 n 0 + 0 + (-1) * 3^0
0 0 0 + 0 + 0
1 1 0 + 0 + 1 * 3^0
2 1n 0 + 1 * 3^1 + (-1) * 3^0
3 10 0 + 1 * 3^1 + 0
4 11 0 + 1 * 3^1 + 1 * 3^0
5 1nn 1 * 3^2 + (-1) * 3^1 + (-1) * 3^0
6 1n0 1 * 3^2 + (-1) * 3^1 + 0
7 1n1 1 * 3^2 + (-1) * 3^1 + 1 * 3^0
...
you get the idea. Notice that negative numbers are built in - no need for
an additional (-) symbol leading a number. Also notice that to negate a
number, you just negate each digit. Fractions, addition tables, etc. are
left as an exercise for the reader.
This system is great if you have a balance beam and want a minimum
number of known weights. To get an (n), you put a known weight on the same
side as the object being weighed, while to get a (1), put that weight on
the opposite side. With 4 weights, (27, 9, 3, 1) you can generate every
integer weight from -40 to 40 - try that with a decimal set of weights (or
binary, for that matter).
The problem I see with putting either Batenus or trinary in silicon
(or gallium arsenide, etc.) is that all the electric technologies I know of
are fundamentally binary. On/off, charge stored vs. not stored, current
flowing vs. not flowing, etc. You need two binary bits (4 states) to hold a
trinary digit (3 states), so there's a 33% loss.
Even ignoring this, you only get a 50% increase in information
capability and processing speed at best. Would you rather rebuild your
computers from the gate level up, including all of the software, or just
wait 6 months for the semiconductor industry to get you the 50% speedup in
binary?
However, I do notice that SQUID circuits, and some other
superconducting phenomena, might well be made to work in a trinary fashion
(no current, current circulating left, current circulating right). If so,
that might make Batenus or trinary pretty interesting again.
Am I Off-topic if I'm 10 years into the future? :-)
- Mark
Linc,
>Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.
Calculating in Batenus is as easy as 1,1n,10
"Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> wrote:
> This might interest some of the perverts out there:
> http://www.trinary.cc/
The web site's tutorial says:
> The trinary math system utilizes the 3 natural states
> of electrical current flow. A wire conducts in one
> direction, or the other, or not at all. Base 4 would
> need to have 4 states, which don?t naturally exist.
Somebody forgot to spread the word!
Scientists Build Tiny Computer From DNA
http://news.excite.com/news/r/011121/14/science-science-dnacomputer-dc
> The double helix molecule that contains human genes
> stores data on four chemical bases -- known by the
> letters A, T, C and G -- giving it massive memory
> capability that scientists are only just beginning
> to tap into.
Regards,
--Doug
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Doug Coward
@ home in Poulsbo, WA
Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center
http://www.best.com/~dcoward/analog
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>>B: What kind of monitor it connects to? (looks like a CGA or EGA
>>connector, but could be just about anything... from what I am finding
>>Sigma offered a cool SCSI based monitor that had its own custom stuff, so
>>I am fearing that it needed a custom monitor too)
>
>
>I'm pretty sure it's a TPD monochrome card IIRC. (TwoPageDisplay)
Is their anything special about a two page display? or can I use a more
standard monitor (like CGA, or VGA with some kind of adaptor)?
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>