> Shoot..... I've wanted a VLB SCSI card! The Adaptec would have been
> perfect. Tell me, is the 2842 wide or narrow?
Both of them were narrow. There wasn't a wide 2842.
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/
Tony, with characteristic modesty, said:
>I've written programs, sure, but I don't think they're particularly
>well-written or elegant programs. They just do the job I need to do.
Tony:
MICROS~ has what they call "programmers" and they don't get that far.
Do I have to win the Indy 500 before I get to be called a "driver", or is
it enough if I just make it to the grocery store and back? I'd go ahead and
claim credit, were I you. You might say "...not a professional programmer"
or "...don't have a formal degree in programming" or even "...not a serious
programmer". But if you're able to read kernel sources in order to learn
how to successfully use FDRAWCMD, I'd call you a programmer.
Sellam:
I humbly suggest that more exact forms of expression, at least in
international public forums, might avert misunderstandings.
- Mark
Here here! One-shots are fine for pule shortening or stretching
so long as it's non-critical.
Worst abuse, Altair 8800 front pannel.
One of the best designs that use a oneshot was the PERCOM
Cassette board, it was a digitial oneshot and predictable.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: What people "should" know
>That's why it's been common practice to fire anyone who uses one-shots
>(monostables) for anything. I personally believe it should go beyond
that, in
>that the perpetartor of such a heinous crim should be barred from
asserting his
>credentials as a circuit designer for a short period, of, say, 10
decades.
OK, the default boot device (a SET option) is either dead
or not found.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Gunther Schadow <gunther(a)aurora.regenstrief.org>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: first step getting VAX 6000-400 booted ...
>Geoff Roberts wrote:
>
>> Hmm, Unit 0 has an excellent chance of being a system disk, but
possible it
>> was
>> initialised prior to being retired. What's the exact error msg
(console dump
>> is good)
>
>I don't have the console dump on that, but the only error message
>I recollect was:
>
>?3 Device I/O Error (or something very similar.)
>
>Would that be the appropriate response on an RA90 drive with
>wiped-out media? My drive completed all tests, including the
>spun-down and the spun-up tests (the latter includes disk
>access tests.)
>
>> Tapes are probably sus. TK70's are the least reliable component of a
6000,
>> but are still pretty reliable compared to the TK50.
>
>yack!
>
>> > I also have a TU81+ and VMS bootable tape on 9-track, maybe that's
more
>> reliable?
>>
>> Very likely, do you have the companion card for the TU81+ (KLESI-B) to
go in
>> the Vax?
>> They TU81+ is not SDI, so it won't even plug in to the KDB50. If all
else
>> fails I can probably whip
>> up a tape for you on ours.
>
>Instructions on how to write an Ultrix tape from VMS would
>be cool. I'm sure I can get VMS up. What is the least
>amount of knowledge that I need to get a VMS system up
>in single user mode and try a couple of SDI accesses,
>try reading a TK and writing to a TU?
>
>
>> Not very familiar with Ultrix though I gather it's also possible to
mop boot
>> an ultrix box from a vms one, though I don't think it will do vice
versa.
>
>It definitely is as the source code says. I'll use my FreeBSD
>laptop as the boot host. Monitoring with tcpdump is a good way
>of debugging network booting.
>
>Attached below you'll find annotated console dumps from my
>yesterday's attempts (thanks to xterm :-)
>
>My comments are lines starting with "GS>"
>
>GS> I have swapped in another TK70 drive (one that may be less worn)
>GS> and now I turn on the machine:
>
>#123456789 0123456789 0123456789 01234567#
>
>F E D C B A 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 NODE #
> A A . A M M M M P P P P P P
>TYP
> o o . + + + + + + + + + + +
>STF
> . . . . . . . . E E E E E B
>BPD
> . . . . . . . . + + + + + +
>ETF
> . . . . . . . . E E E E E B
>BPD
>
>
>. . . . . . . . . + . . + + + . XBI D
>+
>. . . . . . . . . + + . + . + . XBI E
>+
>
> . . . . A4 A3 A2 A1 . . . . . .
>ILV
> . . . . 128 128 128 128 . . . . . . 512
>Mb
>
>ROM0 = V4.00 ROM1 = V4.00 EEPROM = 2.03/4.02 SN = AG94408887
>
>
>>>> SHOW ALL
> Type Rev
> 1+ KA64A (8082) 000D
> 2+ KA64A (8082) 000D
> 3+ KA64A (8082) 000D
> 4+ KA64A (8082) 000D
> 5+ KA64A (8082) 000D
> 6+ KA64A (8082) 000D
> 7+ MS65A (4001) 0084
> 8+ MS65A (4001) 0084
> 9+ MS65A (4001) 0084
> A+ MS65A (4001) 0084
> B+ KDM70 (0C22) 2811
> D+ DWMBA/A (2001) 0002
> E+ DWMBA/A (2001) 0002
>
> XBI D
> 1+ DWMBA/B (2107) 000A
> 2+ KLESI-B (0103) 0006
> 3+ KDB50 (010E) 142C
> 6+ DEBNI (0118) 0400
>
> XBI E
> 1+ DWMBA/B (2107) 000A
> 3+ DMB32 (0109) 0004
> 5+ CIBCA-B (0108) 41C2
> 6+ TBK70 (410B) 0307
> Current Primary: 1
> /NOENABLED-
> /NOVECTOR_ENABLED-
> /NOPRIMARY-
>F E D C B A 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 NODE #
> . . . . A4 A3 A2 A1 . . . . . .
>ILV
> . . . . 128 128 128 128 . . . . . . 512
>Mb
> /INTERLEAVE:DEFAULT
> /SCOPE /SPEED: 9600 /BREAK
> English
> XMI:D BI:6 08-00-2B-34-A5-CA
> DEFAULT /XMI:E /BI:6 CSA1
> TAPE /XMI:E /BI:6 CSA1
> ETH0 /XMI:D /BI:6 ET0
>SHOW DSSI is not yet implemented
>
>GS> Now I have loaded the VMS 6.1 stand alone backup TK70 and go:
>
>>>> BOOT /XMI:E /BI:6 CSA1
>Initializing system.
>
>#123456789 0123456789 0123456789 01234567#
>
>F E D C B A 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 NODE #
> A A . A M M M M P P P P P P
>TYP
> o o . + + + + + + + + + + +
>STF
> . . . . . . . . E E E E E B
>BPD
> . . . . . . . . + + + + + +
>ETF
> . . . . . . . . E E E E E B
>BPD
>
>
>. . . . . . . . . + . . + + + . XBI D
>+
>. . . . . . . . . + + . + . + . XBI E
>+
>
> . . . . A4 A3 A2 A1 . . . . . .
>ILV
> . . . . 128 128 128 128 . . . . . . 512
>Mb
>
>ROM0 = V4.00 ROM1 = V4.00 EEPROM = 2.03/4.02 SN = AG94408887
>
>
>Loading system software.
>
> OpenVMS VAX Version V6.1 Major version id = 1 Minor version id =
>0c
>PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) 23-OCT-2001
>
>Configuring devices . . .
>
>%PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR 00000000/00000020/00008280
>
>%PAA0, Port is Reinitializing ( 49 Retries Left). Check the Error Log.
>
>GS> oops, what is %PAA0? Something is bad, but what?
>GS> as you might expect, it gives above error message for each
>GS> retry 48, 47, 46, ... will not show those here. But there
>GS> is also other stuff, as if I'm already running multi-tasked.
>
>Now configuring HSC, RF, and MSCP-served devices . . .
>
>GS> and on with the %PAA0 reinitializations down to 24
>
>%PAA0, Port is Reinitializing ( 24 Retries Left). Check the Error Log.
>
>%PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR 00000000/00000020/00008280
>
>Please check the names of the devices which have been configured,
>to make sure that ALL remote devices which you intend to use have
>been configured.
>
>If any device does not show up, please take action now to make it
>available.
>
>GS> in a hurry I power up the RA90 hooked to the KDB50 and
>spin it up
>
>Available device MUC6: device type TK70
>%PAA0, Port is Reinitializing ( 23 Retries Left). Check the Error Log.
>
>%PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR 00000000/00000020/00008280
>
>GS> ...
>
>%PAA0, Port is Reinitializing ( 9 Retries Left). Check the Error Log.
>
>%PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR 00000000/00000020/00008280
>
>
>Enter "YES" when all needed devices are available:
>%PAA0, Port is Reinitializing ( 8 Retries Left). Check the Error Log.
>
>%PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR 00000000/00000020/00008280
>
>
>Enter "YES" when all needed devices are available:
>%PAA0, Port is Reinitializing ( 7 Retries Left). Check the Error Log.
>
>%PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR 00000000/00000020/00008280
>
>
>Enter "YES" when all needed devices are available:
>%PAA0, Port is Reinitializing ( 6 Retries Left). Check the Error Log.
>
>%PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR 00000000/00000020/00008280
>
>
>Enter "YES" when all needed devices are available:
>%PAA0, Port is Reinitializing ( 5 Retries Left). Check the Error Log.
>
>%PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR 00000000/00000020/00008280
>
>
>Enter "YES" when all needed devices are available:
>%PAA0, Port is Reinitializing ( 4 Retries Left). Check the Error Log.
>
>%PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR 00000000/00000020/00008280
>
>
>Enter "YES" when all needed devices are available:
>%PAA0, Port is Reinitializing ( 3 Retries Left). Check the Error Log.
>
>%PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR 00000000/00000020/00008280
>
>
>Enter "YES" when all needed devices are available:
>%PAA0, Port is Reinitializing ( 2 Retries Left). Check the Error Log.
>
>%PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR 00000000/00000020/00008280
>
>
>Enter "YES" when all needed devices are available:
>%PAA0, Port is Reinitializing ( 1 Retries Left). Check the Error Log.
>
>%PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR 00000000/00000020/00008280
>
>
>Enter "YES" when all needed devices are available:
>%PAA0, Port is Reinitializing ( 0 Retries Left). Check the Error Log.
>
>%PAA0, Port Error Bit(s) Set - CNF/PMC/PSR 00000000/00000020/00008280
>
>
>Enter "YES" when all needed devices are available:
>%PAA0, Port is going Offline.
>
>
>Enter "YES" when all needed devices are available: yes
>%BACKUP-I-IDENT, Stand-alone BACKUP V6.1; the date is 23-OCT-2001
>00:03:52.13
>$
>
>GS> yea! a prompt! we made it. But what's next?
>
>$ help
>%CLI-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling
> \HELP\
>
>GS> ah I give up, I want to see Ultrix up, may be that new
>GS> drive did it? Hit the reset button, system initializes
>GS> same as above, swap in the Ultrix TK and go:
>
>>>> BOOT /XMI:E /BI:6 CSA1
>Initializing system.
>
>#123456789 0123456789 0123456789 01234567#
>
>F E D C B A 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 NODE #
> A A . A M M M M P P P P P P
>TYP
> o o . + + + + + + + + + + +
>STF
> . . . . . . . . E E E E E B
>BPD
> . . . . . . . . + + + + + +
>ETF
> . . . . . . . . E E E E E B
>BPD
>
>
>. . . . . . . . . + . . + + + . XBI D
>+
>. . . . . . . . . + + . + . + . XBI E
>+
>
>
> . . . . A4 A3 A2 A1 . . . . . .
>ILV
> . . . . 128 128 128 128 . . . . . . 512
>Mb
>
>ROM0 = V4.00 ROM1 = V4.00 EEPROM = 2.03/4.02 SN = AG94408887
>
>
>Loading system software.
>%BOOT-F-Insufficient memory for CI
>?06 Halt instruction executed in kernel mode.
> PC = 0000040Fc
> SAVPSL = 041F0600
> ISP = 00000200
>
>Bootstrap failed due to previous error.
>>>>
>
>
>GS> this is that CI problem. Now I turn off machine again and
>GS> remove CI cards. I do have HSC90s to go with it and I definitely
>GS> want to run CI, but for now I'll start easy. So, power up
>GS> again. Wait for one initialization again, then:
>
>>>> BOOT /XMI:E /BI:6 CSA1
>Initializing system.
>
>#123456789 0123456789 0123456789 01234567#
>
>F E D C B A 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 NODE #
> A A . A M M M M P P P P P P
>TYP
> o o . + + + + + + + + + + +
>STF
> . . . . . . . . E E E E E B
>BPD
> . . . . . . . . + + + + + +
>ETF
> . . . . . . . . E E E E E B
>BPD
>
>
>. . . . . . . . . + . . + . + . XBI D
>+
>. . . . . . . . . + . . + + + . XBI E
>+
>
> . . . . A4 A3 A2 A1 . . . . . .
>ILV
> . . . . 128 128 128 128 . . . . . . 512
>Mb
>
>ROM0 = V4.00 ROM1 = V4.00 EEPROM = 2.03/4.02 SN = AG94408887
>
>
>Loading system software.
>
>?06 Halt instruction executed in kernel mode.
> PC = 00280200c
> SAVPSL = 041F0600
> ISP = 00280000
>
>Bootstrap failed due to previous error.
>>>>
>
>GS> here ends my console dump.
>
>If it weren't for the many heavy items I still have to
>shuffle, disassemble, lift and reassemble, I could go mad
>about the Ultrix folks who have neglected to put
>some explanatory printf into the boot code before
>the halt call. It could be so much easier if we knew what
>the problem is.
>
>thanks,
>-Gunther
>
>--
>Gunther_Schadow-------------------------------http://aurora.rg.iupui.edu
>Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
>1050 Wishard Blvd., Indianapolis IN 46202, Phone: (317) 630 7960
>schadow(a)aurora.rg.iupui.edu------------------#include <usual/disclaimer>
> >At one time, you could download trial versions of the package.
> >Additionally, if you hunt around, you'll find the magix needed
> >to make the evaluation period last a very, very long time. ;-)
>
> Although, lots of people use and love Vicom's SoftRouter (I think that is
> the name it is going by now)... I would like to point out that last I
> knew, it uses its own TCP/IP stack, and not Apple's OpenTransport. The
> Vicom stack has been known to provide incompatibility with some software
> that wants to use OpenTransport. I have also heard that Vicom's is more
> unstable in general (but I guess that might be dependant on what version
> of OpenTransport you compare it to, as early versions of OT were very
> unstable in their own right). This might have changed by now, but I would
> confirm it before buying.
Yes, it does use it's own TCP/IP stack, but one which co-exists
peacefully with Open Transport... it's not like you've got to
drop back down to Classic Networking...
We never had any stability problems. However, it does not pass
GRE(47) packets, so you can't form a VPN connection through one.
> And then just to give a plug to Sustainable Softworks... their
> IPNetRouter product does everything Vicom's does (and more I believe),
> and is priced pretty much the same ($49 for 68k only, $79 for PPC and
> 68k). I don't have any connection with Sustainable Softworks, I am just a
> VERY VERY satisfied customer (I put them as the #1 best company I have
> ever had to deal with).
Nice price, Chris; I'd say, David, go with it!
-dq
Maybe someone would like these for shipping charges. Hate to just toss em.
ISA
Q DESC
2 D-A cards 2X 12 bit analog out ?
1 D-A ADC card 2x12 bit D-A + maybe 8 chan 12 bit A-D ?
1 localtalk card ?
1 SCSI adapter Adaptec 1522A
2 SCSI adapter Adaptec 1540C
1 SCSI adapter Adaptec 1540B
1 SCSI adapter Adaptec 1542CF
VME
Q DESC
2 AB Creonics MCC 2 axis servo motor controller
1 Data translation DA -- ADC 12 bit DT1408
1 Teckint opto-isolated I/O card TVM 744
Misc
Q DESC
6 OMTI SCSI/MFM disk controller model 310x
1 Columbia Data Products looks like MFM HDC
has Z80 + 64K RAM + MFM disk interface PN 10805-D
Peter Wallace
>Among all the fanning and blowing and spinning, the disk
>seek can be pretty faint. No, I did not hear the disk
>seeking and it all went suspiciously quick. I may
My recollection of RA9x drives is that when
you transition them to RUN (either by hitting
the button or as a result of host action) they
is a clear "thunk".
>not have proper connection between KDB50 and disk. The
>disk shows both ports A and B enabled, and I'm connected
>only to A. Is there any ordering of the 4 ports on the
>KDB50 bulkhead that I need to know to get it right?
The order of the 4 KDB50 connections is
essentially meaningless. It certainly does not
determine device naming or whatever.
The A/B port stuff also matters very little.
If your KDB50 is connected to port A, then
port A needs to be enabled and B is
irrelevant. Or vice versa.
Antonio
If I'd seem the message I'd have told you most of the PDP-11 games that
eat
memory run under the RT-11 SJ monitor. Advent is definately one.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: Gooijen H <GOOI(a)oce.nl>
To: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:32 AM
Subject: RE: Adventure in Ersatz-11
>Stupid that I did not think of trying SJ.
>With SJ entering .R ADVENT starts Adventure also!
>I assumed that VBG was for Virtual BackGround, so
>nice to be comfirmed on that.
>Indeed, I have E11 running on an 486DX2/66, but I
>cannot give an idea of how fast it runs, compared
>to a PDP-11. Although E11 can be set to an 11/70,
>I have set it to /35-40 because that is also the
>*real* hardware I have. Never set it to /34(A) or
>to /44. Both those systems I also have running.
>Next time that I start the 11/35 I will run ADVENT
>on both of them and measure the time until the
>welcome message appears on the screen.
>
>For the "blinkenlights" check out my webpage.
>http://home.hetnet.nl/~tshaj/pdpsite/pdpstartpage.html
>
>then click in the left pane on the link Homebrew 'PDP-11'.
>At this moment only the LEDs of the data bus blink.
>I hope to add a piece of hardware that 'talks' to Ersatz-11
>so that the address bus LEDs are also active *and* that the
>switches function as on the real thing. The goal is that
>the hardware design can facilitate *any* real PDP-11 console
>that has switches and lights, from an 11/10 to an 11/70.
>Of course, this project needs the cooperation of John Wilson,
>and I had already some preliminary contacts with him.
>He also likes the option to connect a real console to the
>demo(!) version of Ersatz-11.
>
>-Henk.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jerome Fine [mailto:jhfine@idirect.com]
>> Sent: woensdag 24 oktober 2001 0:41
>> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
>> Subject: Re: Adventure in Ersatz-11
>>
>>
>> >Gooijen H wrote:
>>
>> > Yes !!
>>
>> Jerome Fine replies:
>>
>> Thank you for the feed back. I was not sure how much memory
>> ADVENT requires. You might also try:
>> BOOT RT11SJ
>> if you wish.
>>
>> > Thanks very much, Jerome.
>> > Booting RT-11FB and then running ADVENT still produces
>> > the "Insufficient memory" fatal error.
>> > However, VBGEXE works fine !
>> > After the "Welcome to Adventure!! Would you like instructions?"
>> > and entering 'YES", it goes: Somewhere nearby is Colossal Cave,
>> > etc.
>> > This means that I am now going to play Adventure. This has a
>> > serious drawback on the expansion of my website ...
>> > I am playing it on my "homebrew-PDP" with the BLINKENLIGHTS on!!
>> > On my website this project (early phase) has a separate link.
>> > BTW. What is VBGEXE, what do the letters stand for?
>> > Thanks again,
>> > Henk.
>>
>> "EXEcute Virtual BackGround program" is how I think of the letters
>> with the understanding that the word EXEcute is then switched
>> to the end.
>>
>> A few points worth noting.
>>
>> (a) If FOO.SAV requires any arguments as in:
>> "RUN DEV:FOO.SAV arguments" or replace RUN with VBGEXE,
>> then they must be on the same line. The alternative is the
>> put all three
>> parts of the command on separate lines. Otherwise, with just
>> "VBGEXE DEV:FOO.SAV" on the first line, somehow the request
>> for information expects the arguments to already be there and if not,
>> just exits. Entering:
>> VBGEXE
>> DEV:FOO.SAV
>> arguments
>> on three separate lines works as well.
>>
>> (b) The command:
>> SRUN VBGEXE.SAV/TERMINAL:n/LEVEL:m/NAME:utility
>> also works very well when you want to run a system job at a
>> higher priority.
>> TERMINAL is only useful with a system that has multi-terminal support
>> LEVEL specifies the system job number ( 1=>6 )
>> NAME can be used to automatically select an executable file
>> called SY:utility.SAV
>> One minor problem is that if name is omitted, then only ONE
>> instance of
>> VBGEXE can be invoked as a system job since the high memory
>> GRCBs (Global
>> Region Control Blocks) must all have different names. I have
>> a small patch
>> with allows the user to do the command:
>> SRUN VBGEXE.SAV/TERMINAL:n/LEVEL:m/NAME:VBGEXm
>> If that is done, each GRCB is given the name VBGEXm making them all
>> different. This means that no program can have the name VBGEX(1=>6),
>> a restriction that I assume can be lived with.
>>
>> I also remember that modifying TECO to be named VMUNG so that
>> "VBGEXE VMUNG arguments"
>> would work the same as
>> "MUNG arguments"
>> but use the full 64 KBytes allowed by VBGEXE.
>>
>> By the way, I assume that you are using E11 on a PC. Which hardware
>> and how fast do you find that the code runs compared to any
>> real PDP-11
>> hardware. Plus, I can't remember about the "BLINKENLIGHTS" - what
>> did you do to have those available?
>>
>> Sincerely yours,
>>
>> Jerome Fine
>>
>>
>
>
My understand of PDP-1s is that if there are 10 left it's a lot.
the only two I know of was the BCM Machine and one up in
Whitehorse {or was it Yellowknife} running Log/wood mill
accounting system.
Allison
-----Original Message-----
From: John Allain <allain(a)panix.com>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: value of classic DEC machines?
>>> Now a PDP-1 would certainly be worth 100KUS$,
>
>>..to a collector who had US$100K to throw away and
>> absolutely HAS to have the first PDP-1...
>
>Worth, Costs, Is Valued at... all highly relativistic concepts
>don't you think?
>
>What about history? My book says that only 50 PDP-1's
>were produced. Almost certainly 50%++ were scrapped.
>Anybody know where all the PDP-1's are? I'd like to see
>one (or more).
>
>John A.
>
>
>BTW, on thread. A good clean runnung PDP-11 with SW
>and docs can fetch over $4K, to the original question.
>
>John A.
>
>
> > Dear Sir
> > I have a 1000 sq. ft warehouse full of used DEC pdp and pre IBM p.c.
> > equipment / manuals / spares etc.
> > I need someone to help me get rid of all of it. I realize it has some
> > value on Ebay but my lease has run out and I need to recover some of my
> > costs ASAP.
> > I am in California on the central coast.
> > Any suggestions.
--
I talked to Ken this afternoon.
He needs 3-4K to cover the back rent on the storage
and is looking for someone to take all this stuff and
sell it on eBay for him. He thinks it's worth $100000
I may go down there on Friday to see what's there
assuming he can find the item that he says he has
that I'm looking for.
Hi,
I just got an Emulex QD21 (thanks iseldure! I've got $10 here for you
for postage) and I've been playing with it, with some Maxtor XT-4380E
drives.
I'm managing alright to a point. I downloaded docs for the QD21, set dip
switches and I can get into the controller's firmware. The problem arises
when it comes to do things with the disks. If I tell the controller the
disk is type 2, then it picks up settings from the drive fine (and they
even co-relate with the drive), but any operations I perform on the drive
after that (even "Show known devices") times out.
I tried selecting the format option. If I set the drive as type 2 and
let it pick up setting from the drive, it times out the operation before
reading the media defect list. If I set the drive as type 1, and punch in
the settings from the QD21 docs for the Maxtor XT-4380E, then it starts
formatting, then after a couple of minutes of activity, the drive makes
some noises (which I don't think sound healthy) then times out again.
I only have one data cable, and if I just use the one drive (which
appears to be terminated) then nothing appears to work - things just time
out. If I hook up another drive and change drive IDs, then I can perform
the format operation as defined above.
Needless to say, I'm a little stumped.
The controller is in an MV3300, but I've not got VMS working on there
ATM, so I'm not sure about configuring an interupt vector for it.
If it's any help to people, I can get listings from the console, it's
just not particularly easy as I don't have a serial cable to hook the vax
to my PC with me, only the vt420.
I don't really know ESDI, and I'm not that familiar with QBus - only
some details, ordering of cards, etc.
Any thoughts welcome :&)
--Matt
David A Woyciesjes was found to ask thusly:
>
> Does anyone know if there is a free/share/money-ware program that
> can turn a Mac into a DHCP server? For use on an older 68k Mac...
Yeah, sort-of, if you can find it.
Vicom Technologies (www.vicomtech.com) has a product that's
undergone a few name changes and feature orgies. Originally
named "Vicom Internet Gateway", then "Vicom Soft Router", and
maybe back to the original name... it's a software-based NAT
router. It includes a built-in DHCP server.
It wasn't expensive... it came bundled with Applshare IP 5.0,
and when we finally purchased a cross-platform upgrade, that
was either US$29 or US$79.
At one time, you could download trial versions of the package.
Additionally, if you hunt around, you'll find the magix needed
to make the evaluation period last a very, very long time. ;-)
hth,
-doug q
Gunther,
Appreciate the info, get my end done and hope the electricians aren't too
far off for moving the 220's to where I need them. Thanks again.
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Gunther Schadow
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 11:37 AM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: first step getting VAX 6000-400 booted ...
Phil, I did convert to 220 single. I made my own reference along
the way. Here goes:
http://aurora.rg.iupui.edu/~schadow/VAX/power.txt
regards,
-Gunther
Phil Schilling wrote:
>
> Gunther,
> Slightly off your topic, but did you convert the power to 220
single phase
> on your 6000? If so exactly which reference did you follow. I need to
set
> up both my 6000 and the drive array for single phase so I can get them
fired
> up. Thanks
>
> Phil Schilling
> GCS Tech
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> [mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Gunther Schadow
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 1:02 PM
> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org; port-vax(a)netbsd.org
> Subject: first step getting VAX 6000-400 booted ...
>
> Hi,
>
> after my pretty good VAX treck last weekend (more details coming
> up on my project web site at a later time) I finally have SDI disks.
> I hooked one up last night and did all the checking as per the
> RA9x manual (yes I have one plus many more, will scan those at
> some time...) and it seems to be O.K. (even though it was pretty
> messed up stored in a barn among lots of birds for many years).
>
> Here is one para about where I am at and then I have some
> specific questions for Geoff Roberts or Ragge or anyone who
> has had experienced any luck with getting a 6000 up to operation.
>
> I have bootable tape for Ultrix 4.1 and VMS 5.3 both TK50. None
> of them work. I seem to have no luck with the TK70 and I have
> no way finding out what's wrong. I tried to boot from that RA90
> disk, even though I don't know what's on it. It has unit #0, so
> I thought it might be a system disk. But that too failed with
> some I/O error very early in the process. I also have a TU81+ and
> VMS bootable tape on 9-track, maybe that's more reliable? Tonight's
> project is to move the TU81+ into the basement and hook it up.
> I'm afraid I'll get stuck there too and what then? Network
> booting?
>
> Here's some more detail and questions:
>
> The TK50 boot proceeds for quite a while, although it never shows
> any message on the console about where it is at before it halts
> due to some unspecified error. However, about one or two minutes
> into the tape running the system-panel's FAULT light comes on and
> at the same time both yellow and green LEDs on the TKB70 board
> extinguish. That's for about a second or two. Then the lights
> go back to normal and the fault light turned off. Another 30
> seconds to a minute tape streaming and the same light-spiel happens
> again: fault on, TKB70 LEDs off, and back to normal. Now a shorter
> time (like 10 seconds) of tape streaming and again. From now on that
> repeats for about 4 or 5 more cycles and finally the system is
> halted and console says: system halted due to previous error.
> However, no error message is being printed. I have no idea where
> I am in the process.
>
> I have tried cleaning the TK70 read/write head of course. I have
> tried a different copy of that Ultrix tape. It's always the same.
>
> Is this bliking of fault and shutting off of both TBK70 LEDs
> normal for media read errors or does it indicate something more
> serious? How can I tell where in the process I am? Is there an
> error flag somewhere in memory that I could EXAMINE to find out
> what is wrong?
>
> BTW: at first I had my CIBCA cards in and the boot process would
> halt earlier: system would say "insufficient memory for CI" and
> "10% or more of the memory is bad". Who is checking memory there?
> I could not find anything in Ultrix 4.2 sources that would generate
> such a message. And why would it anyway, because my system check
> tells me that I have 512 MB of memory OK. Or does it speak of
> 10% of the CIBCA's internal memory?
>
> Is there a boot flag that I could turn on that would cause the
> loader etc. to be more verbose?
>
> Has anyone tried booting Ultrix over the network? I am going to
> try that but all I have is Ultrix on TK50 (that doesn't work)
> and sources without any VAX running to compile them on. Is there
> a cross compiler suite? I'd like to compile with the DEBUG
> flag set.
>
> Thanks for your suggestions,
> -Gunther
>
> --
> Gunther_Schadow-------------------------------http://aurora.rg.iupui.edu
> Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
> 1050 Wishard Blvd., Indianapolis IN 46202, Phone: (317) 630 7960
> schadow(a)aurora.rg.iupui.edu------------------#include <usual/disclaimer>
--
Gunther_Schadow-------------------------------http://aurora.rg.iupui.edu
Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
1050 Wishard Blvd., Indianapolis IN 46202, Phone: (317) 630 7960
schadow(a)aurora.rg.iupui.edu------------------#include <usual/disclaimer>
>Yeah, sort-of, if you can find it.
>
>Vicom Technologies (www.vicomtech.com) has a product that's
>undergone a few name changes and feature orgies. Originally
>named "Vicom Internet Gateway", then "Vicom Soft Router", and
>maybe back to the original name... it's a software-based NAT
>router. It includes a built-in DHCP server.
>
>It wasn't expensive... it came bundled with Applshare IP 5.0,
>and when we finally purchased a cross-platform upgrade, that
>was either US$29 or US$79.
>
>At one time, you could download trial versions of the package.
>Additionally, if you hunt around, you'll find the magix needed
>to make the evaluation period last a very, very long time. ;-)
Although, lots of people use and love Vicom's SoftRouter (I think that is
the name it is going by now)... I would like to point out that last I
knew, it uses its own TCP/IP stack, and not Apple's OpenTransport. The
Vicom stack has been known to provide incompatibility with some software
that wants to use OpenTransport. I have also heard that Vicom's is more
unstable in general (but I guess that might be dependant on what version
of OpenTransport you compare it to, as early versions of OT were very
unstable in their own right). This might have changed by now, but I would
confirm it before buying.
And then just to give a plug to Sustainable Softworks... their
IPNetRouter product does everything Vicom's does (and more I believe),
and is priced pretty much the same ($49 for 68k only, $79 for PPC and
68k). I don't have any connection with Sustainable Softworks, I am just a
VERY VERY satisfied customer (I put them as the #1 best company I have
ever had to deal with).
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
On Oct 23, 16:35, Iggy Drougge wrote:
> Mike Ford skrev:
> >Just for laughs I made a search just now of my email address
> >mikeford(a)socal.rr.com, and I got 233 hits via the Google usenet group
> >search. I really honestly only get maybe 5 bits of spam a day, and 80%
of
> >those I know I foolishly signed up for at some time recently. Have you
> >spamphobs ever considered that maybe you get a lot of spam because you
mung
> >your email address, or that you don't have a profile in any spam
databanks?
> I did a Google Groups search as well, and got over 10 000 hits on my
address.
> Perhaps is one subjected to spam because one is an active netizen?
Well, I just tried a Google Groups search, for comparison, and got 14 hits.
I got 1020 from a straight Google (web) search, the majority from
ClassicCmp (at least amongst the first few screenfuls).
I don't especially like munged addresses either, but providing it's obvious
(and obvious how to undo the obfuscation) I think it may be a necessary
evil at times.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Gunther,
Slightly off your topic, but did you convert the power to 220 single phase
on your 6000? If so exactly which reference did you follow. I need to set
up both my 6000 and the drive array for single phase so I can get them fired
up. Thanks
Phil Schilling
GCS Tech
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:owner-classiccmp@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Gunther Schadow
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 1:02 PM
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org; port-vax(a)netbsd.org
Subject: first step getting VAX 6000-400 booted ...
Hi,
after my pretty good VAX treck last weekend (more details coming
up on my project web site at a later time) I finally have SDI disks.
I hooked one up last night and did all the checking as per the
RA9x manual (yes I have one plus many more, will scan those at
some time...) and it seems to be O.K. (even though it was pretty
messed up stored in a barn among lots of birds for many years).
Here is one para about where I am at and then I have some
specific questions for Geoff Roberts or Ragge or anyone who
has had experienced any luck with getting a 6000 up to operation.
I have bootable tape for Ultrix 4.1 and VMS 5.3 both TK50. None
of them work. I seem to have no luck with the TK70 and I have
no way finding out what's wrong. I tried to boot from that RA90
disk, even though I don't know what's on it. It has unit #0, so
I thought it might be a system disk. But that too failed with
some I/O error very early in the process. I also have a TU81+ and
VMS bootable tape on 9-track, maybe that's more reliable? Tonight's
project is to move the TU81+ into the basement and hook it up.
I'm afraid I'll get stuck there too and what then? Network
booting?
Here's some more detail and questions:
The TK50 boot proceeds for quite a while, although it never shows
any message on the console about where it is at before it halts
due to some unspecified error. However, about one or two minutes
into the tape running the system-panel's FAULT light comes on and
at the same time both yellow and green LEDs on the TKB70 board
extinguish. That's for about a second or two. Then the lights
go back to normal and the fault light turned off. Another 30
seconds to a minute tape streaming and the same light-spiel happens
again: fault on, TKB70 LEDs off, and back to normal. Now a shorter
time (like 10 seconds) of tape streaming and again. From now on that
repeats for about 4 or 5 more cycles and finally the system is
halted and console says: system halted due to previous error.
However, no error message is being printed. I have no idea where
I am in the process.
I have tried cleaning the TK70 read/write head of course. I have
tried a different copy of that Ultrix tape. It's always the same.
Is this bliking of fault and shutting off of both TBK70 LEDs
normal for media read errors or does it indicate something more
serious? How can I tell where in the process I am? Is there an
error flag somewhere in memory that I could EXAMINE to find out
what is wrong?
BTW: at first I had my CIBCA cards in and the boot process would
halt earlier: system would say "insufficient memory for CI" and
"10% or more of the memory is bad". Who is checking memory there?
I could not find anything in Ultrix 4.2 sources that would generate
such a message. And why would it anyway, because my system check
tells me that I have 512 MB of memory OK. Or does it speak of
10% of the CIBCA's internal memory?
Is there a boot flag that I could turn on that would cause the
loader etc. to be more verbose?
Has anyone tried booting Ultrix over the network? I am going to
try that but all I have is Ultrix on TK50 (that doesn't work)
and sources without any VAX running to compile them on. Is there
a cross compiler suite? I'd like to compile with the DEBUG
flag set.
Thanks for your suggestions,
-Gunther
--
Gunther_Schadow-------------------------------http://aurora.rg.iupui.edu
Regenstrief Institute for Health Care
1050 Wishard Blvd., Indianapolis IN 46202, Phone: (317) 630 7960
schadow(a)aurora.rg.iupui.edu------------------#include <usual/disclaimer>
>> BTW, on thread. A good clean runnung PDP-11 with SW
>> and docs can fetch over $4K, to the original question.
I ever wanted to get one VAX/11 730 like one that we had in
my old Computing Courses school and, related with it, a couple
of PDP systems, compounding all of them a little network.
My hope was that these machines some day could be only
trash stuff and this could be the way to get one.
In the actual day I only have one PDP-11/23 PLUS that works
but only has 256 Kb. of memory, and a diverse stuff that can be
connected to it but needs some more additional stuff like a rack
support, some boards and cables. Almost everything I need
mustbe purchased. A few months ago this appears to be cheap
and quick, but not now. And some items destinated to enhance
the machine appears very far and expensive, like one expansion
memory of 4 megabytes, or one good SCSI board.
Of course, I try to don't think anymore in obtain one VAX/11
in any way, or one PDP/11 70 or 44. Even one that I could
obtain in UK was cancelled because any transport agency
wanted to transport it to my country. And my city even have
one regular ferry line with the UK every week !! (this was
bad luck, I recognize).
In this context, one cause or another can do that one machine
like one PDP-11/70 grows in its value until incredible limits.
In fact, I check the eBay bidders many times and I see a lot
of auctions are bidded and even winned by people with very
few (or 0) feedback. Computer collectors matures ?
I don't think so.
Greetings
Sergio
> SP [mailto:spedraja@ono.com]
> I'm in Spain, Antonio, in the North (Santander).
>
> Thanks. Your option appears to be the better and less
> expensive, if you permit to me the comment :-)
>
I'll pack one up and try and work out postage
on Monday (I'm away from the office after
today). I'll let you know how much it
is then, if you're still keen and noone else
finds one nearer to you.
If you can supply a working email
address (the one above just bounced
...) then I can talk to you without
bothering the rest of the list :-)
Antonio
arcarlini(a)iee.org
>Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:13:58 -0700
>From: Geoff Reed <geoffr(a)zipcon.net>
>Subject: Re: ISA cards for free...
>At 09:21 AM 10/23/01 -0400, you wrote:
>>Hello all,
>>
>>Cleanout time again... I have the following ISA cards available for cost
of
>>postage only. These cards were part of a lot I picked up just for the two
>>Compaticard II cards that were in the pile :-).
>
>You lucky bastige :)
Yup, but it's the law of affinity. I bought a nice Compaticard IV (thanks
Don!), but have yet to get it working with my 8" drives (no tech problems,
just too busy). Then I found a Compaticard II on eBay for a decent price,
then I found these two in another lot from eBay. One of them is odd in the
sense that it has a D-connector out the back (37 pin, I think), but no
internal 34-pin header for a floppy cable. It doesn't look modified, so I
think it came from the factory that way.... Weird.
Also, EVERYONE wants the SCSI cards, so I'll be putting names in a hat...
I'll wait a day and then draw straws :-)
Rich B.
Indeed, caddies for the RRD40 are not easy to find.
At least over here in The Netherlands.
I have a DECstation 3100 with Storage Expansion and RRD40,
but I am also still looking for at least one caddy as I
do not have any (yet).
- Henk.
