test-drb October 2001

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259 participants
770 discussions

by mhstein＠usa.net

It's just been pointed out to me (thank you for your diplomacy, whoever you are) that my posts are a little hard to read for some people since I haven't been inserting CRs. Mea culpa, sorry, my forehead's getting quite a flat spot these days from all the slapping. I should have thought about and noticed that myself, especially on this list; I can just imagine all those ASR33s pounding away in the last column... (But at least I haven't been sending HTML <G>) mike

23 years, 6 months

HP-UX items

by paul＠orchard.wccnet.org

I have acquired some HP-UX 9000 series 700/800 items that I have no clue about and no use for. 1. Two identical manuals: "Installing HP-UX 10.10 and Updating from HP-UX 10.0x to 10.10." 2. Manual: "Support Media User's Manual PA-RISC Computer Systems." 3. CD-ROMs: "HP Instant Information CD HP-UX Release 10." June 1998 and April 1998. 4. CD-ROM: "HP-UX Diagnostic/Independent Product Release Media." June 1998 5. CD-ROMs: "10.20 Hardware Extensions 2.0 HP-UX 10.20 Servers" April 1998 "HP-UX Extensions Software" April 1998 6. CD-ROM: "HP-UX Recovery Release 10.20" 7. Four CD-ROMs: HP-UX Applications Release 10.20" Disks 1 through 4. June 1998. Can anyone use these? Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA

23 years, 6 months

Apple II accelerator and Micromodem II questions

by dlw＠trailingedge.com

I have what looks like an accelerator board for an Apple II. Looks like a Saturn Systems Inc. Accelerator II. Has a 65c02c and 64 K of ram on board. Anyone have any info on this? Doc? What the jumper settings are (there is an 8 switch jumper block on it) or any software needed to use it? This system also has a Micromodem II in it but no doc or the interface from the board to the phone plug. Anyone have a spare plug or the pin outs to make one? Thanks. ----- "What is, is what?" "When the mind is free of any thought or judgement, then and only then can we know things as they are." David Williams - Computer Packrat dlw(a)trailingedge.com http://www.trailingedge.com

23 years, 6 months

Acronyms

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> On 30-Oct-2001 Eric Chomko wrote: > > ROFLMAOGSFTH - rolling on floor laughing my ass off getting spliters > > from the hardwood > > 2 letters : K-Y Hey, watch it! This is a family list.... Unless that was a remark about a certain state, in which case I'd say, "Hey watch it! This is a family list..." ;-)

23 years, 6 months

Re. Hunt for DRV11-WA / DRV11-SA Field Maintenance Print Sets

by Antonio.Carlini＠riverstonenet.com

From: Lowndesz(a)aol.com >I am trying to find Field Maintenance Print Sets for the following cards: > >- DRV11-WA >- DRV11-SA This may help: http://www.mainecoon.com/classiccmp/DRV11/ and another is here: http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm The DRV11-WA user guide can be found here: http://www.mcmanis.com/chuck/computers/vaxen/boards.htm Antonio arcarlini(a)iee.org

23 years, 6 months

[Fwd: value of scrap]

by dec.parts＠verizon.net

> As soon as one has no choice but to send stuff to scrap > merchants, they then tend to start charging for taking it > away instead of paying for it. That might not happen with circuit boards though. What's being recovered is Gold, Palladium, Tantalum, maybe some silver, among other materials. And the competition amongst recyclers to be the one to be able to service this ought to keep them willing to pay for the raw materials. But break your equipment down, so you're just turning in the circuit boards. And if you separate the low yield PC grade ones from the high yield commercial grade ones, you still might do all right with them. > > Here in the UK that might change soon. It is about to become illegal to send > electronic waste to landfill so it _must_ be recycled. As soon as one has no > choice but to send stuff to scrap merchants, they then tend to start charging > for taking it away instead of paying for it. > > I have already seen the same happen with lead-acid batteries and old fridges, > to name but two examples, when the legislation came in stopping them being > disposed of by other means than sending them for scrap. > > -- > Regards > Pete

23 years, 6 months

A twist on blinkenlights

by dpeschel＠eskimo.com

While visiting the San Francisco area for the Computer Museum History Center's awards dinner, I swung by Stanford to see their exhibit of old (largely Stanford custom) computer hardware. Various groups at Stanford had computer systems (mostly PDP-6 and -10 I believe), but the exhibit highlights the Stanford Artificial Intelligence Lab, a.k.a. SAIL. SAIL had a multiprocessor system containing a KA10, a KL10, and a PDP-6, as well as two smaller computers dedicated to video control, two megawords of memory (eight times the address space of the -10), and disk storage, so they obviously had enough blinkenlights for anyone. But one of the programmers added a box (looking more or less like a tiny traffic light) to his office. Green meant "normal operation". Yellow meant "parity error". (Failures tended to happen in clumps, so after finding one error, the software would kill the affected job and then search for all other errors and kill all other affected jobs.) Red meant "The OS has halted an Exec-mode DDT is running". (Think "kernel debugger".) No lights meant "Things are really messed up". Not exactly high bandwidth, but still an elegant metaphor! -- Derek

23 years, 6 months

MIPS/VMS

by vance＠ikickass.org

I was told at one time that work had begun on MIPS/VMS just before DEC's abandonment of the DECstation line in favor of Alpha. Does anyone (maybe a current Compaq employee) know where in some dark corner the sources might be found? Peace... Sridhar

23 years, 6 months

hard-sector 5 1/4 disk

by mhstein＠usa.net

-------------Original Message-------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:41:54 -0500 From: Jim Donoghue <jdonogh1(a)prodigy.net> Subject: hard-sector 5 1/4 disk Anybody ever see anything that uses hard sector 5 1/4 disks? I've only ever seen one in my lifetime - just curious if they were ever used anywhere else (the one I saw was used to load microcode into a mainframe CPU) *--- Commodore, for one, on their older low density drives. m -------------Original Message #2-------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:27:59 -0500 From: "Chandra Bajpai" <cbajpai(a)mediaone.net> Subject: RE: hard-sector 5 1/4 disk I've got a Northstar Advantage that uses them...anyone know where to get hard sector disks these days? - -Chandra *--- Might still have some; I'll look m

23 years, 6 months

[OT] New toy...

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

> From: Ian Koller <vze2mnvr(a)verizon.net> > And the compilation of all contributions ... Only two still missing > > AAMAF - ??????????????????????????? As a matter of fact. > SAS - ????????????????????????????????? Sh*t and Shinola??? Glen 0/0

23 years, 6 months

Almost on topic - Cassette I/O

by mhstein＠usa.net

-------Original Message------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:46:14 -0700 From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> Subject: Re: Almost on topic - Cassette I/O By chance you would not have a terminal too? Ben. *-------------------------------------------------------------------------* By chance, it just happens that I do... Wyse, Lear Siegler, Falco or Cromemco, what's your pleasure? Also a TransTerm & some other oddball stuff. The L-S ADM11 would be my recommendation. As to the cassette drive, I wasn't entirely serious in suggesting it; it's a very non-standard Burroughs interface and I think it would be more work interfacing that than your whole computer project including the cassette interface. But if you're looking for a *real* challenge.. The PPT stuff also uses proprietary parallel interfaces, Burroughs and SCM (CDC?), but that would probably be a lot easier to do. Looks like the AC-30 may be spoken for. Did you get enough info on interfacing the cassette, or want me to scan something for ya? If you could really use any of this, contact me off list. mike -------Original Message------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:46:14 -0700 From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> Subject: Re: Almost on topic - Cassette I/O By chance you would not have a terminal too? Ben.

23 years, 6 months

Apple II SCSI card

by paul＠orchard.wccnet.org

Rich Beaudry: You have an Apple II Rev C SCSI card, not the High Speed card. Below is a comp.sys.apple2 post with more details about the card, including some limitations. I have one in my IIgs. I also have the original manual and software, but the Chinook SCSI Utilities (CSU) software is better (see below). I can provide you with copies of this stuff. I can point you to online sources of disk images if you can handle them. For others with Rev A or Rev B versions, I can make Rev C EPROMs. Paul R. Santa-Maria Monroe, Michigan USA From: David Empson (dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz) Subject: Re: Apple II SCSI Card rev C - Latest Revision? Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Date: 1998/09/11 Brian <brwiser(a)xmission.com> wrote: > I just acquired an 1996 Apple II SCSI Card revision C, for my ROM 1 > IIgs. I think you'll find that date was 1986, not 96. :-) > Is "C" the last revision of this card? There is only one version of the physical card. "Revision C" refers to the firmware version. The ROM should be labelled "341-0437-A" if it is revision C. Revision C is the last release of the firwmare for this card. > Are there any problems I should be aware of? Many. Where should I start? 1. The card is not terminated. If you are connecting more than one device, you must place a pass-through terminator between the card and the first device (or internal termination in the first device), as well as after the last device on the chain. If you are connecting a single device, it should have internal termination or a piggy-back terminator. 2. The card does not supply termination power. There is a single diode modification that can rectify this. Another option (my preference) is to make sure that at least one of the connected devices is able to supply termination power. 3. The firmware is limited to seven logical partitions. These partitions may be spread over as many as 7 SCSI devices connected to the card. Under ProDOS-8, this gives a practical limit of 224 MB accessible over all volumes. Note that you need to be running ProDOS-8 2.0.1 or later to be able to access more than 4 partitions, and this requires at least an enhanced IIe. Under earlier ProDOS versions, you can only access 3 or 4 partitions if the card is in slot 5. The seven partition limit does not apply under GS/OS, which uses its own drivers. 4. The firmware doesn't fully support removable hard drives, including devices like ZIP drives. The problem is that if you switch disks, the firwmare does not update its saved copy of the partition table. This can easily result in corruption of the new disk if it is not partitioned EXACTLY the same as the previous one (right down to the starting block number and number of blocks in each partition). This problem doesn't affect GS/OS, and you can work around it under ProDOS-8 by rebooting if you need to change disks. Note that if you boot via GS/OS and then get into ProDOS-8, quitting to GS/OS and relaunching ProDOS-8 might not be sufficient to reinitialize the firmware (I haven't investigated this). 5. The firwmare only supports SCSI hard disks and CD-ROM drives. CD Audio operations are only supported with Apple's original CDSC, CDSC+ and CD-150. This isn't likely to be a major issue. 6. The card is slow. The Apple High-Speed (DMA) SCSI card is a lot faster (as long as DMA can be used), and the RamFast is even better. 7. The partitioning software that comes with it is pretty limited. If you didn't get the disk, this isn't an issue. A much nicer 8-bit alternative is Chinook SCSI Utilities, which is now freeware. (I don't know of a source for it off-hand.) You can also use Advanced Disk Utility under GS/OS. -- David Empson dempson(a)actrix.gen.nz Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand

23 years, 6 months

hard-sector 5 1/4 disk

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

The shot list is... Northstar Horizon Heath H89 Northstart Advantage Likely a dozen others as awell. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Jim Donoghue <jdonogh1(a)prodigy.net> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:17 PM Subject: hard-sector 5 1/4 disk >Anybody ever see anything that uses hard sector 5 1/4 disks? I've only ever >seen one in my lifetime - just curious if they were ever used anywhere else >(the one I saw was used to load microcode into a mainframe CPU) >

23 years, 6 months

[OT] New toy...

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Ian Koller wrote: > > > > > IMHO - in my humble opinion Oh, yeah, David W. reminded me of another one to add to the list: TU - tits up, or Tango Ultra in (I think) pilot talk... -dq

23 years, 6 months

Re. Hunt for DRV11-WA / DRV11-SA Field Maintenance Print Sets

by Lowndesz＠aol.com

To whom it may concern, I am trying to find Field Maintenance Print Sets for the following cards: - DRV11-WA - DRV11-SA I would be most grateful if you have any suggestions as to where I might find these. Many thanks, Kathryn Stewart l P.S. We are posting a reward of a bottle of French champagne for originals or good copies of the above two sets of schematics - thanks.

23 years, 6 months

Acronyms

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Here's my stab at a few of yours: > > > FA - For Auction > > FAE - For All Ears > > TMK - To My Knowledge > > And my own (obvious) additions: Good additions... another that should be on the list is SWMBO... She Who Must Be Obeyed. -dq

23 years, 6 months

Acronyms

by technos＠nerdland.org

Try this one. Just saw it scroll by a bit ago. 12 pal lfp 4 CB/BB (Emp!) or pt to WC from PoD, will donate or 2s BW On Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:51 AM, Jeffrey S. Sharp [SMTP:jss@subatomix.com] wrote: > > POD - Priest Of Discord (from Everquest)

23 years, 6 months

Dec & Sun stuff available in Houston TX

by LFessen106＠aol.com

In a message dated 10/30/01 11:26:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, DAW(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu writes: > Too bad I'm way up here in CT. I'd grab the Sun stuff, just so it > wouldn't hit the scrapper... > > --- David A Woyciesjes You'd have a fight on yer hands Dave! -Linc Fessenden In The Beginning there was nothing, which exploded - Yeah right... Calculating in binary code is as easy as 01,10,11.

23 years, 6 months

Dec & Sun stuff available in Houston TX

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

Too bad I'm way up here in CT. I'd grab the Sun stuff, just so it wouldn't hit the scrapper... --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818 ! -----Original Message----- ! From: David Williams [mailto:dlw@trailingedge.com] ! Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:03 AM ! To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org ! Subject: Re: Dec & Sun stuff available in Houston TX ! ! ! Gunther has laid claim to the PDP-8 stuff. If he can't pick ! it up I'll ! let people know and someone else can have a shot at it. The Sun ! stuff is still available if someone wants. ! ! ----- ! "What is, is what?" ! ! "When the mind is free of any thought or judgement, ! then and only then can we know things as they are." ! ! David Williams - Computer Packrat ! dlw(a)trailingedge.com ! http://www.trailingedge.com !

23 years, 6 months

[OT] New toy...

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 27, 11:50, Ron Hudson wrote: > For the rest of us, what kind of greek is that? : ^ ) > > > John Lawson wrote: > > > > > FB OM YR SIGS 599 RPT 599 QSL VIA BURO TNX ES 73 DE KB6SCO FB "fine business" OM old man YR your SIGS signal is 599 5 (readability) 9 (strength) 5 (tone, IIRC) RPT I repeat 599 5 x 5 x 9 QSL "can you acknowledge receipt" VIA via BURO QSL Bureaus are clearing houses for QSL cards, used to save postage costs when contacting people overseas etc (and useful for places with unreliable mail) TNX thanks ES and 73 best regards DE from KB6SCO (callsign) It's (mostly standard) radio ham CW (continuous wave) abbreviations, used to save keying too much morse. I'm sure several people on the list read that straight off without much thought, but I confess I had to think about some of them, it's been so long since I listened :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 6 months

value of classic DEC machines?

by DAW＠yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu

! > If you have electric heating anyway, then it shouldn't make much ! > difference to the overall electricity bill, surely... ! > ! Well, a heat pump (an air conditioner that runs in reverse) ! does work a little more efficiently than TTL logic for heating ! the house. My biggest problem is coming up with a way to duct ! the heat from the 11/70 to the rest of the house. It still seems ! that I end up with the heat on in the house, and the windows ! open in the room with the 11/70. What about something like an exhaust hood over the 11/70, and a fan? --- David A Woyciesjes --- C & IS Support Specialist --- Yale University Press --- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu --- (203) 432-0953 --- ICQ # - 905818

23 years, 6 months

hard-sector 5 1/4 disk

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Anybody ever see anything that uses hard sector 5 1/4 disks? I've only ever > seen one in my lifetime - just curious if they were ever used anywhere else > (the one I saw was used to load microcode into a mainframe CPU) Some models (maybe all?) of the Heath-Zenith H-89 or H-90? used them... -dq

23 years, 6 months

Do we have a VAX organization?

by gunther＠aurora.regenstrief.org

Hi, I usually hate organizational issues, but I think us VAX collectors need at least a semi-formal organizaton. Why? - Most importantly this could help convince those that either decomission or scrap VAX hardware to give it away instead. (Yes, the last wave of decommissioned VAX 6000-600 and 7000/10000 is coming up, plus the tail of older models that might occasionally still be in use.) Also think of all the overpriced DEC hardware suppliers who soon have to get rid of their stocks that no business customer needs anymore. - Second this would give one point where we could organize trades and consolidate shipment issues ("VAX trecks") - It could help us negotiate good truck rental rates. Penske has perhaps the best rate you can get, but not everyone gets the best rate (i.e. 10 cents per mile) because that's for business customers only, normally. But usually with an organization (and a little ad on the web-site) you can get good deals on vehicle rentals. And it goes on. - We could promote semi-public collections like little private museums that some of us are building. - Finally it could help in right out fundraising for covering such expenses as electricity and internet connectivity for cyber- museums and public use VAXen. We don't have to start all over but can take something that already exists. (I'm also not looking to become a chairman of anything, one of the typical incentives for people suggesting new organizations :-) For example, I think this can start with a web site. Some of us already have vax related domain names which we can use, like Isildur's vaxpower.org. So, a www.vaxpower.org could be it. There's also the VAX rescue squad, put in my several futile attempts to sign up I realized that this project seems rather dead. I don't know if this should be anything tightly connected with DECUS, because DECUS is (a) too COMPAQ or whatever.com oriented, (b) too VMS oriented, and (c) seems to have too much overhead (organizational structure, membership fees, unrelated agenda items). But I could be wrong about that. Another question is if this should not be a DEC/VAX only group but rather a vintage computer stuff group, like Sellam Ismail's site. May be this could be it. What's important is that this site would help accomplish above-mentioned goals, and that it would be a showcase of our VAX collections and simply an address book of the kind that the VAX rescue squad wanted to be. Something you can point to when negotiating with a source. A network of friends you can call up and ask for help in rescuing someting in an otherwise remote area. Also a set of rules of conduct dealing with shared hauls, (like what if: you agree to help with a haul from a friend accross the country and agree on keeping certain things, but suddenly a PDP-8 shows up in that lot? These are things that could help maintain friendship and integrity and reduce grief.) So, what do you think? regards -Gunther -- Gunther Schadow, M.D., Ph.D. gschadow(a)regenstrief.org Medical Information Scientist Regenstrief Institute for Health Care Adjunct Assistant Professor Indiana University School of Medicine tel:1(317)630-7960 http://aurora.regenstrief.org

23 years, 6 months

email/browser for DOS or C64/128?

by pbboy＠mindspring.com

Arachne DOS browser www.arachne.cz

23 years, 6 months

hard-sector 5 1/4 disk

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>>Anybody ever see anything that uses hard sector 5 1/4 disks? I've only >>ever >>seen one in my lifetime - just curious if they were ever used anywhere >>else >>(the one I saw was used to load microcode into a mainframe CPU) >I've got a Northstar Advantage that uses them...anyone know where to get >hard sector disks these days? I was just about to say, I seem to recall that my old Northstar used them (although I can't remember if it was an Advantage or a Horizon, it was a black boxie CPM machine with screen, keyboard and floppy drive all in one unit). I also think the Apple II had a hard sector option (had to load a special disk to activate it... or was that 13 sector... or are they the same thing?) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 6 months

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test-drb October 2001