test-drb October 2001

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by dittman＠dittman.net

> Hello. I have a lot of TK50 tapes just received. They appear to contain VMS > 5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 5.3 and 5.4 > basic distribution, plus the mandatory updates. There is some copies of VMS > Fortran, VMS C 3.0, > and Oracle for VMS. And the backups contains references to Word Perfect > documents, then I suppose > the Disk Backup Images (there is some of them) could contains a complete > system installed. > > The question is that I don't have actually one TK5o to read them. I have one > Microvax 3100 and one > MIcrovax 2000, and I'd like to purchase or obtain one tape unit for every of > this machines. If I understand > it ok, the VS2000 needs one model, and the other DEC (or Scsi) machines the > other TK50 model. > > Well.... What's about this ? There is somebody that knows about some tape > device (or both) for trade ? I have a TZ30 drive (internal). The TZ30 is a 5.25" half-height drive and can read TK50 tapes. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/

23 years, 6 months

ASR 33 Emulation - help!

by NEWFLOVER＠aol.com

Our sawmill uses an HP-1000 for process control; it has an infrared paper tape reader and an ASR 33 Teletype. And they all work. But I'd like to replace the teletype with a PC. Does anyone know how to make a PC emulate an ASR 33?? Thanks

23 years, 6 months

Network protocols - RS232 Serial

by acme_ent＠bellsouth.net

Hey Mike: > Anybody have a use for one or more Data Products Inc. NC16/250 NetCommanders (Not to be confused with Diamond's NetCommander ISDN adapter)? Yes. > Need to talk to your 15 vintage RS232 systems in the garage from one terminal? Yes! How much??? Glen 0/0

23 years, 6 months

Are office people really that, umm shall we say...slow?

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>I'm doing a Tony here, but... >Is replacing the connector/cable on a modern monitor so difficult that it >can't be accomplished without sending it away? I have replaced many monitor connectors (all VGA HD15s). They aren't usually TOO hard to do. The hardest part I have run into is usually getting the old one open. If I am doing a total replacement, it isn't an issue, as I can just cut it off... but usually, for broken pins, I try to extract the bad ones, and insert new ones... in which case I will dremmel open the old casing, and replace the pin. Molded pins can be tough, but a hot needle will usually melt away enough of the plastic to slip them out. Then a dab of hot glue on the back side holds the new pin in place. Certainly in my book, easier, cheaper and faster then sending the monitor out to be repaired... but I know what I am working on... I would never expect a regular office person (and in some cases, even a regular IT person) to be able to do it. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 6 months

DEC memory L0115 in Kansas City

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I just came across two dec memory boards L0115-AH and L0115-00, also labeled 16MB. Does anyone know which model VAX they came from? Some web searches seem to point to VAX 8800. They might be available for $5-$10 each. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

23 years, 6 months

ASR 33 Emulation - help!

by mythtech＠Mac.com

> I don't see how. I have some documents (I think written by Ward >Christiansen) about how XModem and YModem work and it seemed fairly >straightforward to implement the protocol. XModem isn't exactly that >difficult of a protocol to support 8-) Hey, since there is a discussion of protocol's going on... does anyone have the specs needed to write an implimentation of the I-modem protocol? (that's I as in "Eye" or "Myself"). I know it was created by John Friel (at least, that is what I learned when researching the protocol). But I can't find any real specs on it. The only other thing I know about it is Procomm Plus version 1.1B supports it. I need it to download data files off one of my systems here, and I want to write a nicer download front end for it. Right now I have to do it manually thru Procomm... not that it is a big deal for me, but I want to be able to let some of the other office staff here take care of the job, and for them, using Procomm and sending ASCII commands isn't a good idea (they will screw something up... they have in the past, and they will again in the future). If I can get the specs on the protocol, I can write a program with a nice GUI to handle the logging in, and selecting data, and downloading it... not to mention, then I can do it on the Mac, which means some of these people can do it right from their desk. I'm hoping some of you wizards out there might have the info I need. (I have exhausted Google among other search engines looking for it) Thanks -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 6 months

ASR 33 Emulation - help!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Admittedly, the fits I had with it weren't due to the protocol, and > > you're right, it did seem more robust... there were apparantly some > > variations in how the X/Y/Zmodem protocols got implemented... > > I don't see how. I have some documents (I think written by Ward > Christiansen) about how XModem and YModem work and it seemed fairly > straightforward to implement the protocol. XModem isn't exactly that > difficult of a protocol to support 8-) Ah, you assume that every programmer who has the cajones to release their code publicly has the competence level that Ward & Randy (or you & I) have... > > QModem may have been it, I was using a version under OS/2 1.0... > > The QModem program I used ran under MS-DOS. I've found that I really > dislike the Windows versions of such programs because Windows makes working > with modems a real pain (about as painful as using a modem under Unix and > that's quite a task!). As I recall it, QMODEM was the clone of Flugelman's program, and what I was using was a clone of the clone. Remember, this was in the 80s, and while programming, I was living the Hotel California lifestyle... Only in the 80s... -dq

23 years, 6 months

ASR 33 Emulation - help!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> It was thus said that the Great Douglas Quebbeman once stated: Dang! How can I live this down? > > I was never a big Kermit fan. It came at the very end of the days > > when it would have been of most use to me (76-81). As a nearly > > charter member of Ward & Randy's BBS, I adopted Ward Christiansen's > > XMODEM protocol, and used MODEM/MODEM86 during those years. > > Kermit was a life saver when I was at college; it could always get stuff > through when X/Y/ZModem wouldn't work at all. Admittedly, the fits I had with it weren't due to the protocol, and you're right, it did seem more robust... there were apparantly some variations in how the X/Y/Zmodem protocols got implemented... > > PROCOMM most closely resembled Andrew's program, so that became my > > standard terminal emulator under DOS, and later Windows. > > I preferred Qmodem but later switched to Procomm because of the better > terminal emulation. QModem may have been it, I was using a version under OS/2 1.0... -dq

23 years, 6 months

Are office people really that, umm shall we say...slow?

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Oct 19, 15:40, Iggy Drougge wrote: > Russ Blakeman skrev: > I'm doing a Tony here, but... > Is replacing the connector/cable on a modern monitor so difficult that it > can't be accomplished without sending it away? Those HDD15 connectors are a bit fiddly, and in a commercial environment it makes sense to have an "approved" repair done if the equipment is very new, as it has implicatons for the warranty. Also, some cheaper monitor cables use twisted pairs instead of coax (yuk!) and if you cut off the moulded plug, it can be a pain to sort out which wire is which. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

23 years, 6 months

IIgs using hard disk 20

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Doug, the nearest one that I have carries the NCR 0380XXX > chip set and a label on one of the major chips that says > 3127A-2D and 1002734-1D. The EPROM is identified as > 1002735-C. FAB 0005564 Rev B. On the solder side is > A/W 0005563 Rev B. There is a Z8 Romless chip on the board > also. > > Any interest? Yeah, I remembered wrong, Z8 is correct... sounds like a later version of the same thing. How about this: can I try before I buy? Or are you willing to let go of it for chickenfeed (like say five bucks)? tia, -dq

23 years, 6 months

ASR 33 Emulation - help!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Our sawmill uses an HP-1000 for process control; it has an infrared paper > tape reader and an ASR 33 Teletype. And they all work. But I'd like to > replace the teletype with a PC. Does anyone know how to make a PC emulate an > ASR 33?? Most PCs running Windows either have installed or can have installed on them a terminal emulator named Hyperterm which can do what you want. However, the serial ports on PCs are RS-232C ports, while many ASR33s had 20ma current-loop serial interfaces. You'll need to either get a converter, or a separate 20ma current-loop serial card for the PC. BlackBox used to have both of these, but they got acquired, IIRC, and I can't recall the new firm's name... For the paper tapes, once read in, you can just use Hyperterm's file transfer... oops, NIX that, I see ASCII mode is not among Hyperterm's file transfer options... Hmmm, you may need to use something like PROCOMM PLUS or ProcommPlus/Win... they still have the ASCII transfer mode. Or just run DOS and use COPY, I did that with a PC and a friend's CNC machine a few years back, worked quite well. hth, -doug q

23 years, 6 months

Looking for PDP-1 listings

by dpeschel＠eskimo.com

No, not PDP-10, PDP-1. Thanks to Al Kossow, I already have the manual for MACRO, but he didn't scan the source listings (which are supposed to come with the manual) and I haven't found anyone else who has a copy. Any other listings (DDT, TECO, MIDAS, the LOGO programming language, TVEDIT or any of the timesharing systems) would be interesting too. I'm trying to spiff up the cross assembler that comes with Bob Supnik's simulator, so that's why MACRO and MIDAS are important. I'm also trying to understand Peter Deutsch's LISP, so that's why DDT is important. The others would be just for fun. I already have Spacewar from http://lcs.www.media.mit.edu/groups/el/projects/spacewar/sources/ but maybe someone has a newer version. Thanks, -- Derek

23 years, 6 months

IIgs using hard disk 20

by geoffr＠zipcon.net

Apple II SCSI card :) At 11:21 AM 10/16/01 -0400, you wrote: >! From: Louis Schulman [mailto:louiss@gate.net] >! >! Won't work, simply because the floppy port on the GS doesn't >! have the firmware to support the HD20, while >! the early Macs did. But there are many better hard drive >! options for a GS, anyway. >! >! Louis >! >! On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:39:02 -0400, Chris wrote: >! >! #Does anyone know if an Apple IIgs can use an old Macintosh >! #Hard Disk 20. The Mac HD is NOT scsi, but rather uses the >! #disk drive port on a Mac. It ... > >Louis --- > Umm, okay, what are those other HDD options? I'm curious... :-) > >--- David A Woyciesjes >--- C & IS Support Specialist >--- Yale University Press >--- mailto:david.woyciesjes@yale.edu >--- (203) 432-0953 >--- ICQ # - 905818

23 years, 6 months

FREE: IBM PC Convertible (austin, tx)

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

Got an IBM PC Convertible free for pickup in Austin, TX. Works fine the last time I plugged it in 2-3 years ago, has battery, AC adapter, and "port expansion" (serial, parallel, etc) "pack" on the back. In IBM canvas carrying case. Will not ship - pickup only. Bill -- Bill Bradford mrbill(a)mrbill.net Austin, TX

23 years, 6 months

New aquisitions: PCjr (minus power supply) and Amstrad PC 6400

by lgwalker＠mts.net

Just tried them again, and they downloaded with no problem. Must have been some problem on my end. Thanks for the data. Lawrence > I tried to get these scans but they wouldn't come up on my browser alas. > > Lawrence > > > I have a copy of the PCjr Technical Reference Manual. I bought a PC-Jr for my > > brother years ago and got the Reference but never used it. "L@@K RARE > > computer book". > > > > On page 2-135 > > "The system power supply is a 33 watt, three voltage-level, two stage > > supply" > > > > Appendix D-1 > > Transformer > > Input: 110 Vac 60Hz > > Output: Pin 1 - 17Vac, Pin 2 - GND, Pin 3 -17 Vac > > > > I put scans of the internal Power Supply schematic and PCB here: > > http://members.home.net/swtpc6800/PC_JR/ > > > > Download them now before AtHome goes out of businness. > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > Michael Holley > > holley(a)hyperlynx.com > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net

23 years, 6 months

IBM Punched Card equipment docs

by mhstein＠usa.net

IBM PC system meant something different back then :) Here's the list, for Norm, Erik, Dave and anyone else who inquired or may be interested; a little musty but generally in good shape. REFERENCE/OPERATION MANUALS 24/26 Card Punch/Printing 46/47 Tape-to-Card Punch 56 Card Verifier 65/66 Data Transceiver/Printing 77 Collator 2, 1 no cover 82/83/84 Sorters 101 Electronic Statistical Machine 2, 1 no cover 402/403/419 Accounting Machine 3, 1 no cover 519 Electric Document-Originating Machine 2 519 ditto, Principles of Operation 528 Accumulating Reproducer 548/552 Interpreters 549 Ticket Converter 550/551/552 Card Interpreters - Principles of Operation 557 Alphabetic Interpreter - Preliminary 601 Electric Multiplier - Principles of Operation 602-A Calculating Punch 604 Electronic Calculating Punch 2 650 Magnetic Drum Data-Processing Machine 654 Auxiliary Alphabetic Unit CUSTOMER ENGINEERING REFERENCE MANUALS 602-A Calculating Punch - w/wiring diagram 77/85/87/89 Collators 402/403/419 Accounting Machine w/wiring diagram 24 Base 24/26/27/28/46/47/56/65/66/526/534/536/824/826/834/836, Wiring diagrams for 024 and 056 only Also, some interesting pamphlets about system design, procedures & control with these machines and I'll even throw in ref manuals for a Honeywell 400 and the Burroughs B200 Series (not the famous B205, but 250-280). The stack is abt 7" high, wt. abt. 10 lbs. Don't know about any others, but FWIW, I see there's a 604 manual at: http://www.spies.com/~aek/pdf/ibm/604_OperMan.pdf What I'd like to do to save time & trouble is ship it all to Norm since he generously offered to scan it, and then you can sort out who needs and gets what. mike/ccs

23 years, 6 months

Network protocols - RS232 Serial

by mhstein＠usa.net

That's the baby, all right, but both the units and the manuals say "Products"; guess when they made yours that was the only product they had :) And these are the NC16 serial-only model, HW or XON/XOFF selectable, no parallel ports (but I do have some S/P converters... :) And I was mistaken, now that I think back; the RJ45 model (which these are) can not select DCE/DTE, it's fixed (although I don't recall which). $2995 (no, no decimals in there) when new!!!! Just found the price list. And these later models handled binary data a little better. Did I mention modem/printer sharing, many-to-many? Or computer-less local e-mail & messaging (within 250 K of course)? mike ------------Original Message------------- Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 19:41:00 +0100 (BST) From: ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: Network protocols - RS232 Serial > > Now that the OT ramblings are dying down, a serious one (sort of): > > Anybody have a use for one or more Data Products Inc. NC16/250 > NetCommanders (Not to be confused with Diamond's NetCommander ISDN > adapter)? Are you sure that's not 'Digital Product Inc'? I have a couple of NetCommanders here. Quite nice multi-port RS232 and parallel 'switchboxes'. <snip>

23 years, 6 months

ASR 33 Emulation - help!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> Douglas Quebbeman wrote: > > > > For the paper tapes, once read in, you can just use Hyperterm's > > file transfer... oops, NIX that, I see ASCII mode is not among > > Hyperterm's file transfer options... Hmmm, you may need to use > > something like PROCOMM PLUS or ProcommPlus/Win... they still > > have the ASCII transfer mode. Or just run DOS and use COPY, I did > > that with a PC and a friend's CNC machine a few years back, worked > > quite well. > > Nobody on this list likes KERMIT anymore ? > Just wondering. I was never a big Kermit fan. It came at the very end of the days when it would have been of most use to me (76-81). As a nearly charter member of Ward & Randy's BBS, I adopted Ward Christiansen's XMODEM protocol, and used MODEM/MODEM86 during those years. First time I saw it was a copy that came with an 8051 protoboard in '87 and it gave me fits, being generally much less capable than a clone of Andrew Flugelman's terminal emulator/transfer program (forgot the name). PROCOMM most closely resembled Andrew's program, so that became my standard terminal emulator under DOS, and later Windows. Regards, -dq

23 years, 6 months

5.25 floppies available

by mythtech＠Mac.com

More stuff being made available by me. I have 5.25" half height floppy drives, both HD and DD's. All working, all free (+ shipping, or you can pickup in NJ). I have about 10 of each. Any takers? -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 6 months

IIgs using hard disk 20

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> > Great product, I used mine with a Cutting Edge 30MB external drive > > until the drive's piggyback OMTI SCSI <=> MFM adapter went south. > > > > Anyone know where I can get one of these tiny adapters? > > Doug, what size was the OMTI bridge controller? I have several of the > 3.5" form factor. If that size, do you have the model number? Ok, On the board: SMS MODEL OMTI 3 FAB 005298 REV A.3 ASSY 0005447 REV A Chipset is NCR 0380xxx family with SMS & OMTI labeling. Paper label on one chip says OMTI 3127 and repeats the assembly number given above. ROM is labeled 1002550-A, 3127(C). If a working one of these doesn't get the drive going, then the pro0blem was with the drive. But I was hoping I'd killed the controller with improper termination. It sometimes seems to work at first, but then craps out as it warms up. The drive activity light comes on and stays on at that point. I'd sure love to get the damned drive backed up... I think I have copies of everything on there, but perhaps not. Regards, -dq

23 years, 6 months

Network protocols - RS232 Serial

by mhstein＠usa.net

Now that the OT ramblings are dying down, a serious one (sort of): Anybody have a use for one or more Data Products Inc. NC16/250 NetCommanders (Not to be confused with Diamond's NetCommander ISDN adapter)? Need to talk to your 15 vintage RS232 systems in the garage from one terminal? Need to have your single-port computer talk to the 15 terminals throughout your house? Need to have your 16 computers talk to each other about you while you're away? And all at the blinding speed of 19200 baud? Or do you maybe just need another obscure piece of hardware sitting on your mantelpiece? Then THIS IS THE DEVICE FOR YOU! Original cost SEVERAL 1000 $$'s each! A 16 port cascadable RS-232 switch/hub/256K buffer, DCE/DTE programmable, allowing each device to talk to any other, either pre-routed or addressable in the datastream header; simultaneous multiple paths possible, even at different baud rates. Software setup (although they'd need 2 new AA NiCads to remember), unfortunately an austere front panel with no pretty blinkenlights. BUT WAIT! THERE'S MORE! If you order right now, I'll throw in your choice of P/S or S/P converter, parallel or serial buffer, auto printer switch or serial or parallel range extender! Any serious interest? As usual, in the Toronto area, but if ya really can use one of these, unlike the Cromemcos it's almost practical to ship; not very heavy. Might need a few $$'s though, to cover my time in checking one out and copying the docs, since there's only one copy. mike

23 years, 6 months

Floppy Disks

by jdonogh1＠prodigy.net

Where is a good source for 5.25" 360k disks? Also, I need to find some 8" hard-sectored single-sided disks. Thanks.

23 years, 6 months

Dark Tower Pics

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>This is the one I am not sure about. 'Philippines' suggests Texas >Instruments to me. And many TMS1000s did have 28 pins... I am going to go >with that guess for the moment Oh, I'm sorry, I might have forgotten to mention, ALL 3 chips are Texas Instuments (unless someone else used the TI logo back in the early eightys :-) ) >75494 'Hex MOS to LED digit drivers' >Basically 6 inverting open-collector drivers with a common enable input. >This chip is another one that turns up in electronic games as an LED >driver, etc. Makes sense, since there is an LED 2 digit counter/display in it. It is also the chip closest to the LED display >Another standard part >TL496C '9V Power Supply Controller' (the TMS1000 runs at 9V, BTW). >Basically a switching regulator normally used to get 9V from a couple of >primary cells. I guess it can step up the power. The game uses 2 D cell batteries connected in series, so it gets 3 volts input power. Humm... thinking about that, the choke coil could actually be a light weight transformer then (maybe? I'm not an EE, so I am guessing since a trans and a choke both have lots of wire wrapped around a magnetic core) I will have to see if I can get a chance to draw up those schematics, that will help tell more about it I am sure. Heck, I have to take it back apart anyway, I need to either oil the motor, or replace it. The game seems to still be working (thank god no perm damage from the battery leak), but the motor starts to slow and stress at certain points. -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 6 months

punch cards, PPT

by mhstein＠usa.net

Hi Lawrence, Don't know yet what'll happen to the punch & cards; still trying to sort it out, along with the old IBM docs. Will keep you advised if it doesn't go to Erik in Holland or one of the other enquirers. Can't interest you in some 8 ch. punched tape equipment instead? Nice Burroughs optical reader & punch, and a box + of mylar & paper tape, assorted lovely pastel colours and black :) Hope u don't mind if I put this reply on the list, in case someone else can benefit from your tip about the cards. And you haven't told me yet what Cromemco cards you need. mike ---------- From: Lawrence LeMay[SMTP:lemay@cs.umn.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:13 AM To: M H Stein Subject: Re: punch cards I want to eventually connect a card reader to one of my PDP 8's, and thus I would want a method of punching some cards ;) I dont have the room nor the ability to move a large IBM card punch unit, so a small unit would be desirable. I'm still looking for a omnibus card reader interface card. So no, I dont have a specific application, but i'm not looking for something to hang on a shelf and point at occasionally either. I do plan to use it eventually. By the way, it is still possible to buy blank punch cards you know. That guy on ebay who is selling the selection of different types of punch cards does sell them. I think his ebay name was key29 or key26, something like that.

23 years, 6 months

New aquisitions: PCjr (minus power supply) and Amstrad PC 6400

by mythtech＠Mac.com

>How much should a PCjr PSU run me? I will do some digging, I *might* still have a power supply or two kicking around. I had shelves full of PCjrs not to long ago, and I threw out all but one complete unit (PCjr, side car expansion thingy, wireless keyboard and the wire for it, power supply, monitor). I tossed all the PwrS's back then too, but I *think* I have seen one or two still floating around (if you don't mind that it will have a number written on it in white paint). Unfortuantly, the room they would most likely be burried in, the lights are broken right now, so until I get around to changing the ballast, I can't see very well (I just took a quick look with a flashlight, but when I say they would be burried in there, I really mean burried, it is about waist deep in one giant pile of old stuff). If I still have one, I would be willing to give it to you/trade it to you. (you can't have my last one, but worst case, I can tell you what the pinouts are, and the voltages on them, so you can always try to build one yourself... although they do have an odd right angle connector IIRC and that might prove hard to find/replicate) -chris <http://www.mythtech.net>

23 years, 6 months

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