test-drb January 2001

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415 discussions

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

Back in the mid to later 80s when one of the vendors was selling PCs without MSdos they were forced by MS to make the system so it could not run dos. I think it was running SCO unix or Novell. I'm fuzzy on the details as during that time frame PCs, DOS and their ilk were not on my radar. Allison -----Original Message----- From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Friday, January 12, 2001 7:49 PM Subject: DOS Jumper > > >ajp166 wrote: >> >> Those that don't remember the PC cloes with he "DOS jumper" would argue >> that Billy was a good boy. Some of us remember! > >I don't recall a "DOS jumper", at least by that name. What is it? >

25 years, 4 months

Nuke Redmond!

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> > >That's what we pay these senior decision-makers for, folks. They try to >figure out how to get the other guy out of the way. They try to find legal >ways to slit his proverbial, if not literal, throat. Messrs Gates would nto know ethics if they bit him on the arse. As to legal he {microsoft} would try to suborne legality where possible and did every chance. Those that don't remember the PC cloes with he "DOS jumper" would argue that Billy was a good boy. Some of us remember! Allison

25 years, 4 months

Nuke Richmond

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> > >You meant this the other way around, didn't you? I have to spend several >frustrating minutes each week "stroking" Win98 to keep it alive (i.e. Well, disperse the frelling defective app! W98(hopefully 2nd edition or ME) in the work environment has proven acceptable and solid once the buggy apps were booted. We even run office97 on it reliabily. Oh, the worst offender IEV5! For the 98 users find 98LITE it can help get the bugs out. >server, file server, and firewall. All I do on my Win98 box is surf the >web, listen to Napster, and type documents, and it can't even handle THAT >without tripping over itself. As if any of those are trivial tasks. Napster is not simple nor small. As to your text problem, I'll bet your using one of the lightweight word processors, lightweight these days is an install file or 9-10 megabytes. Maybe the worst offendor and virus programming language WORD and it's VisualBasic. Why not surf the net with linux? Avoid the OS pain then. >Windows is like a retarded child. Now that's offensive, to the learning handicapped that is. I'd have compared Windows to Brussel Sprouts that were improperly cooked. Allison

25 years, 4 months

Ease of Use (was Re: Nuke Richmond)

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)mcmanis.com> >Finally, whine all you want about Windows it was was the ram rod of windows >that made it economically practical to build 100 million computers exactly >the same. Linux wouldn't exist if it still cost $10,000 to get a "home" >computer that was powerful enough to run it. > >--Chuck My $0.02 is: -That the OS if stable it's meaningless whos the maker. -The applications that support it are everything. -Applications that suppost common standard for text, images, datatypes and related types will dominate. That's the OS that wins... Users run apps, everyone else argues about the OS. Now with that said. I hate MS, I run NT4/WS with minimal MS apps. NT4 is pretty decent and plenty stable. I dont run Office9x or Off2k as it's buggy. Like every OS I've used, a good OS can be compromized by bad apps and well behaved apps will make the weakest OS look good. In the end a Robust OS makes poorly written and misbehaving apps more tolerable though still unacceptable. Allison

25 years, 4 months

Nuke Richmond

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

-----Original Message----- > Applications are coming. A few are already here. It's taking a >while. How long has the Microsoft world had to develop its >suite of applications? > > -Dave McGuire One big difference, everyone knows what apps are wanted and needed. The rest of the work is simply coding. The Unix like users are about to get a log awaited bonanza for the log standing GUI enviornment. And the answer still is who cares what OS... so long as it works and the APPLICATIONS do what is asked. Allison

25 years, 4 months

Nuke Richmond

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:12:29 -0800 (PST) Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> writes: > > Windows is like a retarded child. I always though of it as more like an idiot savant: You're amazed how something *that* brain-damaged can actually (sometimes) deliver a passable performance. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

25 years, 4 months

Nuke Richmond

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 12, W.B.(Wim) Hofman wrote: > Can you expect to say to a housewife : This is a Linux cd. Install it on > this computer and I expect you to have looked at these Internet sites by > tomorrow morning? It would have to be some housewife!! Linux needs far to > much work still to make it fit for the masses. I dunno, man. I'm a NetBSD person myself, and not a Linux fanatic, but I installed DeadRat 6.2 on a machine a few days ago...it was quick and painless, bordering on trivial. Problem is, though...It was easier for me because it was going into an existing network, so all I had to do was assign it an IP address and be done with it. The average housewife will have to set up PPP, which adds quite a bit of work. In my opinion, based on this latest installation...if someone can figure out how to build a PPP setup system that's generic enough to be built into the regular installer, then installing Linux (well, RedHat Linux specifically, it's the only distribution I've used recently [except Storm Linux, which I really liked]) really will be as easy and pedestrian as WinDoze. -Dave McGuire

25 years, 4 months

Unknown 8" floppy drive

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I came across the following 8" floppy disk drive in a standalone enclosure. labelled Reformater Conversion system F09 Microtech Exports It has a single cable connector on the back. Any information would be appreciated. Mike mmcfadden(a)cmh.edu

25 years, 4 months

NEC Multisync Color JC-1401P3A

by foo＠siconic.com

I just picked up an NEC Multisync Color Monitor model JC-1401P3A at a thrift store today for $8. It has one DA-9 connector on the back, plus a few switches for selecting RGB or color depth (I guess?), plus a digital/analog switch. I didn't have a chance to test it other than to turn it on and verify that it had a raster. I figured for $8 I couldn't go too terribly wrong. Is this a good all around display for use with different machines? It doesn't have any composite input however. Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org

25 years, 4 months

Amstrad PC1640HD20

by lgwalker＠look.ca

Found an Amstrad PC1640HD20 but unfortunately no K-B. This is like an IBM 2011/2021 with the PSU in the monitor case. Luckily I did get the monitor and it does power up. I understand the K-B is proprietory however. Anyone with a spare or a work-around for this beast ? Thanks larry Reply to: lgwalker(a)look.ca

25 years, 4 months

Nuke Richmond

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On January 12, Richard Erlacher wrote: > problem is ... you STILL have to deal with the OS. Moreover, there are few You do? Hmm. That's news to me. Unless "dealing with the OS" means "not reinstalling the OS every time some application blows up". > "nice-n-easy" applications for doing what's considered "useful work" in most > environments. What's more, the general trend in the Non-commercial > (GNU/LINUX/... ) environment seems to be toward "good enough" and not toward > getting it right. Applications are coming. A few are already here. It's taking a while. How long has the Microsoft world had to develop its suite of applications? -Dave McGuire

25 years, 4 months

RISC6000 7007 POWERportable N40

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Pat, Thats where I'm at. Thanks for the confirmation. I have the high density SCSI pigtail that connects to the IBM badged Tadpole SCSI Floppy. I also have an IBM 7210 010, CDROM drive which is SCSI, but has the big D50 SCSI connectors. So the question is: With the right "adapter cable" from high density SCSI to D50 cable connect, will the N40 identify and use the IBM 7210 010? I really do appreciate your best efforts so far. I saw the release note suggesting that this 3.2.5 was cut back to fit in the laptop environment. I Have 32 M Ram an an 810MByte Hard drive. Screen support, scaling, and graphics character sets seem to be some of the Unit Specific features of this model. Sincerely Larry Truthan -----Original Message----- From: Pat Barron [mailto:pat@transarc.ibm.com] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 11:38 AM To: Truthan,Larry Cc: 'classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org' Subject: RE: RISC6000 7007 POWERportable N40 On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Truthan,Larry wrote: > The "66" entry is invalidated in the 10 element diagnostic menu and the sub > menues under each element. The initial sevice selection is "language > select"). I havent tried "66" at the language select. On the first pass, I > am not making headway with your suggestion. I poked around and found a document that might help you: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- RS/6000 N40 Laptop * Setting the System to Service Mode: 1. Press the key sequence [Pause][R] to reset the N40 (or power it off). 2. Then interrupt with [Pause][K] key sequence as soon as the IBM logo appears. 3. After several seconds, a language selection menu will appear; select appropriate language. 4. Then press 99 to go to the main menu 5. Select #7 (Change Soft-Keyswitch Setting). 6. Select #3 (Service). 7. Then press 99 to go to the main menu. 8. Select #10 to start the boot off the CD. * Limitations: > The 7007-N40 is supported by a special N40 version of AIX 3.2.5. The 7007-N40 is NOT supported at AIX V4. > The support for the 7007-N40 and N40 AIX 3.2.5 has been withdrawn, thus questions are answered on a best effort basis. * Information > Software maintenance on this system can be done by booting off the AIX 3.2.5 for N40 cdrom. To do this, attach the cdrom drive to the SCSI bus. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You already knew most of this, but I'm sending it along in case it might help. --Pat.

25 years, 4 months

Anybody in the UK want a TeleVideo 924 Terminal?

by kevan＠heydon.org

I have one that is surplus to requirements. It's located in Cambridge, and free to a good home if anybody is interested in it. -- Kevan Collector of old computers: http://www.heydon.org/kevan/collection/

25 years, 4 months

RISC6000 7007 POWERportable N40

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Well Pat, The "66" entry is invalidated in the 10 element diagnostic menu and the sub menues under each element. The initial sevice selection is "language select"). I havent tried "66" at the language select. On the first pass, I am not making headway with your suggestion. I appreciate your experience, and your willingness to seek the collaboration of others, who may recall the process. The spiral bound AIX 3.2.5 release notes speak of restoring the factory build by connecting the N40 ethernet AUI port to a Host, and mounting the N40 3.2 AIX CD on a host based cdrom volume. I assume the host must be another AIX machine(?) (Or can it be on an FTP server?) The release notes speak of command line "mounting" the cdrom volume over the link -not running an FTP client session on the N40. SO far I've not connected the ethernet AUI port to another machine. I was thinking of using the service diagnostic ethernet test menu to configure the IP addresses of the source and destination machines. Just for the sake of connecting the N40 back to a Win98 PC and "Pinging" the remote PC. Then perhaps I can find an i386 based version of AIX to convert the PC to an AIX host, to harbor the N40's 3.2.5 AIX CDROM. Then, proceed with that learning environment. ANY free or cheap sources for early i386 AIX? I gather that IBM has dropped support for the N40, 3.2 AIX, and even some later versions of AIX. I am simply trying to make myself a small learning environment. From what I've seen this is a 6.9 pound network workstation. Sincerely Larry Truthan -----Original Message----- From: Pat Barron [mailto:pat@transarc.ibm.com] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 6:10 PM To: Truthan,Larry Subject: Re: RISC6000 7007 POWERportable N40 Booting in Service Mode will bring up a menu of diagnostics and service aids. There is an undocumented, "invisible" choice on that menu, which I *think* is "66" (each choice is numbered, and number 66 should be the "hidden" option), which will dump you directly to a shell prompt. Now, however, you *may* have some challenges ahead before you can reset the root password. Depending on how the system actually gets you into Service Mode, you may find that the root volume group is not varied on, and that none of the filesystems are mounted. At the shell prompt, try typing the following commands: # mountall # ls If "ls" is found and produces output, then you are set - use the "ed" editor to edit /etc/security/passwd, and remove the "password =" line >from root's entry in the file. This will clear root's password. You can then reboot the machine in Normal Mode, log in as root with no password, and then set the password in the usual way. If "ls" is not found, or if the output doesn't look like there are enough files there, then the root filesystem isn't there. Do "echo /*", "echo /bin/*", "echo /sbin/*", etc, to give you an idea of what's available. In that case, you'll need to go through a sequence similar to the following to get into the filesystem (note that it's been a *long* time since I've done this, and this isn't guaranteed to be even remotely correct, and which may screw up your Object Data Manager if it goes wrong, so beware....): # importvg hdisk0 # varyonvg rootvg # mount /dev/hd4 /mnt # cd /mnt/etc/security And then work on the "passwd" file with whatever tools you can use.... If this doesn't help, let me know, and I can probably find some other folks around here who might remember..... --Pat.

25 years, 4 months

Pin-outs for VT220

by hsappleton＠sprintmail.com

Hi can someone email me or point me to somewhere I can get this information: Pinouts for VT220 ===================================================================== PH: 302-798-1930 Fax: 302-798-0243 Mobile: 302-983-4293

25 years, 4 months

Nuke Redmond!

by mbg＠world.std.com

>A while back, someone in Microsoft leaked a document to the net from >inside Microsoft, detailing ways in which they planned to deal with >this "problem." How many here ever saw this? I saw it... there was (is?) a web site with pointers to it... but I don't know if I have a bookmark for it... Megan Gentry Former RT-11 Developer +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com | | Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com | | Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' | | 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ | | Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler | | (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+

25 years, 4 months

Info on DEC Rescue Result

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I just got word on what happened to the VAX-11/750 and LSI-11/23 that I posted about last week. A teacher at one of the Portland High Schools took the whole lot. I've no idea what use they'll be put to, but hopefully they'll survive and prosper. Anyway I figure others besides myself might be wondering, especially with the threat of the scrapper hanging over their heads. Zane

25 years, 4 months

IMPs

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Okay, I'm watching the History Channel's treatment of how the internet came to be and I have to wonder if any of BBN's IMPs are still around. Those have to be *bigtime* collector's items. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)DIESPAMMERSCUMcalico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BeOS Powered! -----------------------------------------------------------------------

25 years, 4 months

FW: RISC6000 7007 POWERportable N40

by truthanl＠oclc.org

I found an installed rom based diagnostic and ran through some non-invasive tests. One of the rom based tests lets you set up both the portables IP address and a host machines IP address and then "Ping" Between the two. Also on this diagnostic ping page they call out by "number" the "boot" device, which with no link connected, defaults to "NONE". Yet there is another maintenance screen where you can select the AUI ethernet port as the "Boot Device". If you set the ethernet port as the boot device, and then comeback to this screen, I wonder whether you just ping, or initiate a boot? Obviusly I don't want to kill it until I understand how to establish a "link" to revive it. I think I have all the tools, I just hope the AIX CD-ROM can be loaded from a Non-AIX based server host- Perhaps just a PC with an X windows session, or FTP HOST running. Plinking away. Sincerely Larry Truthan

25 years, 4 months

RISC6000 7007 POWERportable N40

by truthanl＠oclc.org

Greeting Listers - I have been lurking as a Digest Subscriber. Recently I had this IBM Risc/6000 7007 PowerPortable N40 fall in my lap. On It is AIX 3.2.5.. My problem is that I am staring at a Console Login prompt and know zilch about AIX. I do not know the root password. So this system is useless until I find the exploits to circumvent the system entry, or at least learn enough to to build a user acct.. This portable has a 1.2Gig Drive. 64M in SIMM. No diskette drive but PCMCIA slot as well as several of the cables and and AUi port in the back to network the beast I have the Risc Sytem/6000 N40 notebook workstation users guide and have started to read through it. This system came with the AIX 3.2.5 CD - but has no CDROM drive so I believe I have to network it to something so I can restore the System? The user guide mentions a Pause+R keysequence to get the box to toggle between normal and "service" modes, emulation a physical sw on rack mounted RS6000's Can ANYONE here point me to an Exploit to circumvent root password? The user guide tells me how to set it for the first time. The system had been turned off long enough to forget the time, month and Year etc, -- but it kept the root password on file. Is there something I can do from the service mode? Sincerely Larry Truthan

25 years, 4 months

Centronics interface : Falling edge of stb/ works fine

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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25 years, 4 months

Core memory for sale

by william.webb＠juno.com

I've got some single core frames 64x64; they look almost identical to the one in the top photo at: http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/reach/435/coremem.htm except the PC board is tan (bakelite?) instead of translucent fiberglas like the one in the photo. $35 while they last. Also have one 4K memory module (9 frames in mount with PC boards top and bottom) make offer. william.webb(a)juno.com williamwebb(a)whiteice.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

25 years, 4 months

Nuke Redmond!

by dhquebbeman＠theestopinalgroup.com

> And there is that "what does GNU stand for?" question that > keeps me up at nights. GNU is a self-referential acronym; it means " GNU's Not Unix". Regards, -dq

25 years, 4 months

a little TI

by dogas＠bellsouth.net

Hi gang and Happy New Year, It's great when you can rummage in one of your own piles and find something new... (Thanks Alzheimer's) Where'd that come from... ;) Anyway. I found a TI TM990/101MA card that's about 11x6 inches and can be seen at: http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/d/o/dogas/ti01.jpg I guess this came out of a 990 mini but it looks like everything is there to use it as a sbc. It's got jumpers for terminal/modem,bank,ram,eprom select and a few more. Google and dogpile didn't turn up anything and I'm looking for the pin specs for the connector edges, power requirements and any other info anyone might have. Also, while on the subject.... I have an extra TI TM990/U89 that I'd like to trade for a TI TM990/189 with someone in a complimentary position. Email me off list if interested. Cheers - Mike: dogas(a)bellsouth.net

25 years, 4 months

Getting a DG MV2000. What do I need?

by bluesky6＠ix.netcom.com

Hi folks, I'm back on the list after 3 years of absence. I'm getting a DG MV2000 machine. It is apparently working. I would like to know what additional stuff do I need to get a 100% working system. The guy selling it is talking about floppy drives and terminals. Should I get at least one terminal and the drives? Thanks. Ben

25 years, 4 months

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test-drb January 2001