On June 16, William Donzelli wrote:
> > Non-HTML email is not exclusive to those of us who are into classic
> > computing. Non-HTML email isn't a "dying, quaint old way of doing
> > things" like some of the sold-on-Microsoft people seem to think.
>
> Well...yes it is. I would venture to say that these days, more use it
> than not.
I'm not sure I'd agree...but then I work in a company full of Unix
boxes and live in a neighborhood full of Unix people. But that's
the reality I see when I look out the window. Microsoft isn't
universally run everywhere. Sure, every suit has a Windows box on
his or her desk...but just as there's more to the human race than
suits, there's more to the world of computing than Windows.
-Dave McGuire
Despite the fact that every term program under the sun seems to support
Tek 4014/5, I cannot find a description of the control sequences anywhere
(just a reference to the termcap entry, but I want the *graphics* control
sequences, not the terminal ones). Does anyone know where I might find a
listing of them?
Until then, I'll use GNUplot ;-P
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On Jun 14, 17:58, Mark Champion wrote:
> Regarding the line length, I presume most users use "word-wrap" for their
email readers. This allows the reader to format the screen as desired
(similar to the way web browsers handle text). I believe all HTML
compatible email programs have this capability.
No they don't; and in any case many list members don't use "HTML
compatible" or even MIME-aware readers. HTML has no place in email. Email
does not revolve around M$ Outlook :-)
As you see from the above, you lose the quoting when most software does the
wrapping after the event. It's an accepted convention to keep lines short
-- and I seem to remember we had this discussion a few months ago?
> The big advantage of handling email this way is that when the line
lengths increase due to the > or > > or > > > which stack-up with each
reply, the email remains completely readable and well formatted. (I'm sure
everyone has received the email which is littered with tons of > > > > > >
> > > and barely intelligible.)
Well, I find the nesting usually makes it easier to retain attribution --
and I've never seen any software which can handle post-wrapping and keep
the correct indentations. Particularly since not everyone uses the same
quoting characters (I use "> " but others may use "<" or ":" with or
without a following space).
> If this is a general problem for other readers, let me know and I will
add the line breaks for any additional posts to this group.
Yes please.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
On June 16, William Donzelli wrote:
> I'm curious - what will some of us folks do when HTML in email is used by
> 99 percent of the population? Is anyone writing mailers for the old
> systems that can handle the HTML properly? Let's face it, HTML in email
> is here and its growing. I would venture to say it is a natural
> evolution, and all of the complaining we as a group do will have no
> effect on the rest of the world. The rest of the world can use the excuse
> "get a modern computer" - and for the most part they are right.
I still insist that it has nothing to do with "old" or "new"
computers...or even "old" or "new" mailers!
"Get a modern computer" doesn't do the trick...I can spin up X on a
twenty-year-old MicroVAX-II and run state-of-the-art GUI-fied email
software (kmail, vm under xemacs, whatever you want!) that will deal
with HTML email.
It really does seem to me that it's very much a Windoze/non-Windoze
thing. Next time someone emails you HTML crap, look at the headers.
It *all* comes from Windoze boxes. On the other hand, everyone I
associate with around here (home and work) uses Unix boxes of one
form or another...for the most part, they're all running perfectly
*NEW* modern hardware, running current, state-of-the-art
software...and I get NO HTML crap from any of them.
Non-HTML email is not exclusive to those of us who are into classic
computing. Non-HTML email isn't a "dying, quaint old way of doing
things" like some of the sold-on-Microsoft people seem to think.
-Dave McGuire
This is too cool. Advertised in the Dec/82 issue of Computers &
Electronics, there's an ad on page 67 for a game for the TS-1000/ZX-81
called Krakit. It's a puzzle type adventure game. What makes it special
is that the publisher put up a $20,000 prize for the first person who
could crack it.
"KRAKIT consists of 12 clues on a ready-to-run ZX81 or TS1000 cassette
tape (16k RAM). The answer to each clue is the name of a country, or a
city or town, and a number. If you are the first qualified entrant to
solve all 12 clues and declared the winner, you receive two tickets to the
city of the secret KRAKIT vault location. When you arrive at that
location, a check for a minimum amount of $20,000.00 (U.S.) will be
presented to you. The amount of the prize money is augmented weekly."
Has anyone ever heard of this? Did anyone ever crack it?
This game was published by International Publishing & Software Inc. It
seems like an awful lot of money for a relatively unknown outfit to be
offering. I wonder if it wasn't all just a sham, i.e. one of the clues
was so hard as to be impossible to solve :)
If anyone has this game I'd like to have a copy of it.
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
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Dammit, that was supposed to be private.
Sorry Guys . . .
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 18:59:36 -0500 jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com writes:
>
>
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:28:07 -0500 (CDT) "Charles P. Hobbs
> (SoCalTip)"
> <transit(a)lerctr.org> writes:
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On June 16, Charles P. Hobbs (SoCalTip) wrote:
> I *do* know there is a big difference between my Apple II (which still
> does yeoman service running my Syntauri synthesizer) and the
> PowerComputing PowerCenter 240 that I do most of my "real work" on. And,
> no, I'm not going back to the Apple II and a dot-matrix printer to do my
> newsletters on, or surf the Net.
I think you're taking it to an extreme here, though, given the
context. I'm talking about the Pentium-II/233 that was "wow fabulous
wonderful my god check out my new machine!!" three years ago that are
heading to trash bins today.
There is *NO* reason for this. Those machines are just as
functional today as they were three years ago...but people are
treating them like trash simply because something faster has been
introduced by the vendor!
-Dave McGuire
On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:28:07 -0500 (CDT) "Charles P. Hobbs (SoCalTip)"
<transit(a)lerctr.org> writes:
>
>
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, William Donzelli wrote:
>
> >
> > If you tried to pull the same thing on the ice fishing list, you
> would
> > probably catch hell.
>
>
> I'm on an Electronic Organ list, an Amtrak Advocacy list, a Web for
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Hey! You may be interested in a couple of manuals I have:
Schematic sets for the MONDAINO MONOTRON/POLYTRON, and another one
for the MONDAINO H6000/H7000. The drawings are dated 1980.
I'm not into these, but maybe you (or one of your buddies) is . . .
Jeff
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I'm reading through an issue of Computers & Electronics from November 1982
(formerly Popular Electronics) I found here at work.
Here's something on page 23 for Marvin & Hans (and anyone else who has
one):
Microcomputer Trainer. The Micro-Professor is a Z80-based system
featuring a six digit LED display, 2K-bytes of ROM (expandable to 8K),
2K-bytes of RAM, 24 I/O lines, 2K monitor, cassette interface,
countertimer circuits, a user wire-wrap area, 36-key keyboard, 9-volt
power adapter, and an extension connector. The system is expandable.
$129.95. Address: Etronix, 14803 N.E. 40th, Redmond, WA 98052
Here's something for the Commodore fans (same page). I've never heard of
this one before:
CBM 16-bitter. The BX256 is a multiprocessor system using a 6509 and 8088
with an optional Z80, 256K of internal RAM expandable to 640K externally,
40K of ROM, and interfaces for IEEE-488, RS232, CBM cassette, 8-bit user
port, and a carthridge slot. The green phosphor video monitor has
80-columns of 25 lines and has tilt/swivel controls. The detachable
94-key keyboard includes a separate numeric keypad featuring a double-zero
key, clear entry key, and a double-size enter key for ease of use. The
keyboard also has 10 user-definable keys. A built-in 6581 CPU allows a
full 3-voice, 9-octave music synthesizer having an output for an external
audio system. A dual disk drive is built in as is a realtime clock.
Software includes BASIC 4.0, with options of CP/M, CP/M-86, and UCSD
Pascal. The BX256 micro processor system supportsd all CBM peripherals.
Planned price is $2995. Address: Commodore Business Machines Inc., The
Meadows, 487 Devon Park Drive, Wayne, PA 19087.
I love this stuff!
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2000 14:19:45 -0400 "Jason McBrien" <jbmcb(a)hotmail.com>
writes:
> I vote that workstation hardware older than 7 years old counts as a
> classic,
> if it's oddball enough. PA-RISC is pretty oddball in my opinion.
> They run
> OpenSTEP well, though. Dittos on the VAXstations...
And DG AViiONs!
What you lookin' at me like that for?!?!
88000 ain't oddball enuf fer ya?!
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