On May 4, 1:50, Chuck McManis wrote:
> I tried to duplicate the bootable VMS 7.1 CD on my Sony CD-R drive and it
> didn't work. (Using Adaptec EZ CD creator's "Clone" facility) So I
guessed
> it was the block size issue.
> --Chuck
More likely just a format that EZ CD can't read -- it understands ISO-9660,
RockRidge extensions, and Joliet extensions, but I suspect the VMS CD (like
most Solaris, IRIX, etc) isn't ISO format. If you have access to a
unix/linux box, try reading it with 'dd' (that's how I copy Solaris, Mac
HFS, IRIX EFS/XFS, etc).
As several others have said, all data mode CDs have 2048-byte "sectors" on
the physical medium (2352 bytes if audio).
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Dept. of Computer Science
University of York
OK, for what its worth;
Lyons Brothers built the LEO because they wanted to computerize their
business, but they couldn't find anyone selling commercial machines, so they
went ahead and built their own. LEO, by the way, stands for Lyons Electronic
Office. The LEO was actually completed in early 1951, and other companies
heard about it and wanted it, so Lyons suddenly were in the computer
business. Most people don't know this, but the LEO is the first commercial
computer, it beat UNIVAC I to market by several months. Lyons Brothers,
Elliot Automation, English Electric, Marconi, ICT, and GEC are all related,
not to mention ICL. In 1969, Marconi, GEC, Elliot Automation, and English
Electric merged to form Marconi Elliot Computer Systems Ltd., which kept
selling the various dissimilar lines (there is some mention of AEI also
being a part of this). In 1970 or 71, the company became known as GEC
Computers Ltd., and some parts (I don't know what ones for sure), were
combined with ICT to form ICL. Basically, GEC Computers Ltd. was all of the
real-time systems, and ICL was all the data-processing systems. Somehow
Lyons Brothers fits into this picture also, I'm just not sure how. ICL was
first bought by an English electronics company called STC plc in 1984, then
Fujitsu bought 80% of ICL in 1990. Later Nortel bought STC and then in 1998
Fujitsu bought the other 20% of ICL from Nortel. As a side note, Fujitsu
also owns all of Amdahl, having excercised their option to buy the rest of
the company, since as you probably know, they put up the money to start
Amdahl and as such always owned a large chunk of it. I think GEC has
subsided back into Marconi, but I'm not sure, the whole ICL and GEC story is
a huge mess really. I hope you don't mind me taking the chance to give you
more info about them than you probably wanted. BTW, I know Elliot Brothers
(later Elliot Automation) dates back to 1795, and I'm fairly sure some of
the other companies involved are that age or older. If anyone has more info
I'd like to hear it, I have info on a bunch of models of
ICL/GEC/Elliot/English Electric machines too. I'd most like to know more
about ICT...
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We sell Classic Computer Stuff on eBay
We specialize in Apple II and III computers, hardware, software and
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dBASE II Ver. 2.3b for Osborne in the Box
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Rainbow 100, DECmate II etc. Guide by Digital
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Xerox 820 Diagnostic Exerciser 8" Diskette
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Fast Load Cartridge for Commodore 64
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Osborne 1 User's Reference Guide by Osborne
323686761 $5.99 - - 1 - May-02-00 May-09-00 20:52:08 5d 11h 2m
Apple III Serial Card Made by Apple
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3 Adam Computer Manuals
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Apple Advertising Video Tape in the Box
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Apple II/Plus Language Card by Apple in Box
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1984 Adventure Game Book with Clues, Maps etc
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Apple IIe Error Advertising Booklet by Apple
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Ultima I for Apple II NEW in the Box
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Very Collectible MacCharlie for Macintosh 128
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Macintosh 128 Motherboard in the Box
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MS-DOS 1.1 in the Box
322102357 $9.99 $10.99 - 1 3 Apr-30-00 May-10-00 21:09:11 6d 11h 20m
TRS-80 VAR/80 Telesis Interface
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Intel Single Board Computer 80/10, 1975!
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Apple II Transwarp Accelorator Card by AE
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Apple II Clone: Franklin Ace 1000 New in Box
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Thank you,
Tony & Paula
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SOFTWARE & MORE
> I just noticed that there is a card punch machine available here in
> Minneapolis if someone wants to come and get it. I didnt pay attention
> to the exact model, but its one of the 'old' ones, ie, its definitely
> not the one with the LED display in the keyboard.
>
> Anyways, if you want it you would probably have to pick it up next week before
> it goes to the recycling center. And you would have to let them know
> you want it, and arrange for a time to pick it up.
>
> -Lawrence LeMay
> lemay(a)cs.umn.edu
Hi, Lawrence,
I'm originally from L.A. and relocating back here to Minneapolis to my
birthplace. Your email prompted me to write and ask:
Where are the good places here to search out surplus/used equipment?
I'm generally in the market for DEC and HP old stuff. Any info would be
greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
-skots
--
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MRY Systems staylor(a)mrynet.lv
(Skots Gregorijs Akmentins-Teilors -- just call me "Skots")
----- Labak miris neka sarkans -----
>On Thu, May 04, 2000 at 11:58:29PM -0000, Eric Smith wrote:
>> The problem with direct CD to CD-R copy is that the OS, device driver,
>> and even the CD-ROM drive do not have any reliable way to know how many
>> sectors there are on the source disc, unless they can rely on file
>> system data, i.e., the ISO 9660 header. If the disc isn't 9660, you'd
>> need some other way to tell.
>FWIW, my Panasonic CW-7502 CD-R drive gives a correct size in response to
>a SCSI "READ CAPACITY" command. Are you saying that most drives don't
>support this?
The drive supports it, but the OS may not. For instance, whenever I want
to image a CD under Linux, I dd if=/dev/cdrom of=wherever.dsk bs=2048, and
it always ends with an error after it runs past the end of the disk. (And
there are errors logged to the console, too, showing that it failed
trying to read the nonexistent sector numbers.) Happens with several different
CD-ROM and CD-R drives, all of which *do* report actual device sizes
correctly.
Of course, if you bypass the stupid Linux device driver that doesn't know
any better and bang on the CD directly, you may not have that problem. Or
if you switch to a real OS.
This is RedHat 6.0 and 6.1, with various Adaptec SCSI host adapters and
the "stock" Linux drivers. Maybe you have a NCR-based host adapter and
the drivers there are smart enough not to run off the end?
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On May 4, Nick Oliviero wrote:
> As far as the micro$lop, soon as I find a -500au my Aptiva is history.
How much are they going for these days?
-Dave McGuire
I would like copy of the list.
See our site at www.osfn.org/ricm
Ron
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From: "jdarren" <jdarren(a)ala.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Subject: perkin/elmer & concurrent books
Date: Thu, May 4, 2000, 5:47 PM
One person asked for a list of the p-e/ccc books I have. I lost the
message. Please contact me again. So sorry!
On May 4, Bill Pechter wrote:
> > May 4 11:46:16 srv1 sendmail[4958]: LAB04956: usgate.e-mail.com.: SMTP DATA-2 protocol error: 570 Rejected.Potential ILOVEYOU virus.
>
> OK -- how do you do the sendmail virus filter. I've got to do this at
> work.
This one was standard functionality in release 8.9.3...
-Dave McGuire
>Mike Ford wrote:
> >Testing - Please Ignore!
>
> Three of these messages have shown up on the list, what are you testing?
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