test-drb March 2000

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515 discussions

by brian.roth＠firstniagarabank.com

A good goal for you would be to get everything working under RT-11. That's a great way to learn. BTW, if you don't have a bootable 3rd party controller, or the DEC board with the boot ROMs, I hope you've figured out how to send the bootstrap over a serial line from a PC (I never did). Zane I did. I used to boot my 11/34 from RL02's with a 386 PC running Procomm. I believe I put the code in just a basic ASCII text file one line at a time with a carriage return after each and then uploaded the file as text over the same serial console line. Worked like a champ, and it sure saved the fingers from pressing those little chicklet keys on the programmers console...

24 years, 9 months

OT: DSL and Apple Network Servers

by ckaiser＠oa.ptloma.edu

This is probably OT, so flames to my address. I finally tracked down a source of upgrades for my Apple Network Server 500. It will shortly be upgraded to 80MB RAM, and I'm mulling over buying a new processor card for it ($200! cough). MacWorks has some stuff in stock. So, with this buff discontinued box, I'm thinking of getting it a DSL line to boot. But I can't find a straight answer if all DSL services give you a static IP address or not. Do they? And should most of them work with AIX 4.1.4? I would think so, since it's just a DSL router and the ANS500 plugs into that like any other network. Thanks, sorry for the off-topic. (But hey, we've been discussing iOpeners all week, right? ;-) -- ----------------------------- personal page: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Point Loma Nazarene University * ckaiser(a)ptloma.edu -- FORTUNE: You will feel gypped by this fortune. -----------------------------

24 years, 9 months

iOpener

by wilson＠dbit.dbit.com

Mine just arrived this morning, I had ordered it from Netpliance's own 800 # so evidently at least *they* still have stock even if CC doesn't (suits me, the nearest CC is 1.5 hours away from me anyway). In keeping with nerd tradition I've got the thing all in pieces before even powering it on for the first time -- boy they sure didn't skimp on screws! But the 44-pin connector is right there as promised. I'm thinking of maybe doing a tiny PCB rather than soldering 44 individual wires on, I wonder if there's a +12V source in hear anywhere so that standard 40-pin IDE drives could be used too and not just laptop drives? The case is *really* cramped though. John Wilson D Bit

24 years, 9 months

Almost free 2-port and 4-port fanouts, IEEE 802.3 compliant, Ethernet Version 1.0 and 2.0 compatible AUIs

by whdawson＠mlynk.com

Hello again, Well, due to the overwhelming response for these 2-port and 4-port Ehernet fanouts (actually, none) I'm posting this one more time. Since each of these weigh less than a pound packaged for shipping, your total cost for one to three is only $4.80, delivered in the US I will send these internationally, but the cost will be higher. The current list price on the two port units is $80.00+, and the 4 port units go for $200.00+. If there is no interest by tomorrow morning, I'll be listing them on eBay. Perhaps someone can tell me, on list, why no one on this list has any interest in these. Maybe everyone is saving their money for iOpeners d8^) ??? Thanks, Bill whdawson(a)mlynk.com -> Hello group, -> -> These were given to me recently by another member of this list -> who also has -> no use for them (thanks, Pat). They can be yours for 1.5 times shipping -> cost. All are in great condition and I have no reason to believe they -> shouldn't work. Specifically, what I have are: -> -> Quantity 3 Allied Telesis / CentreCom model AT-280 (2-port transceiver -> fan-out) -> -> Quantity 3 Allied Telesis / CentreCom model AT-480 (4-port transceiver -> fan-out) -> -> Quantity 3 Canary Communications model F 4000 Rev.B (4-port transceiver -> fan-out) -> -> All are DTE powered and "can be installed with any existing -> standards-based -> transceiver used in thicknet (10BASE5), thinnet (10BASE2), fiber optic -> (FOIRL) and twisted pair (10BASE-T) installations". -> -> Summary information on the Allied Telesis units can be found at -> http://www.lantech.nl/products/ati/fanout.html and technical -> information and -> manuals in pdf format can be found at -> http://www.alliancedatacom.com/allied-telesyn-products.htm by using the -> site's "Search Site" button and entering either AT-280 or AT-480. -> -> Information on the Canary transceivers can be found at -> http://www.canarycom.com by searching for F-4000 and using the -> first link in -> the returned list. Information in pdf format for the F-4000 can -> be found by -> using the eighth link in the returned list, under Transceiver Products. -> -> Please contact me off list if interested in one or some for your own use. -> Please don't ask if your intention is resale. -> -> I realize these aren't vintage yet, but I know some of you can -> and will use -> these in networking vintage equipment d8^) -> -> I'll post to the list when all have been spoken for. -> -> Bill -> -> whdawson(a)mlynk.com ->

24 years, 9 months

Mos Technology RAM wanted

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Mar 21, 8:51, Richard Erlacher wrote: > I think the basic number you're looking for is "2101" from the same 1K > series as the famous "2102" which is a 16-pin 1kx1 with separate in and out. No. The earliest PETS almost all used the MCS6550 SRAMs I mentioned; a few used 2114s (different and fairly rare PCB). The later ones all used 4116s. None of them ever used 2101s or 2102s. I'm looking for a MCS6550; nothing else will do :-) -- Pete Peter Turnbull Dept. of Computer Science University of York

24 years, 9 months

GRiD stuff

by mrbill＠mrbill.net

I've got a GRIDcase 1530 here, with no power supply. I tried using one of the cheap 9.95 "multi-voltage, multi-attachment" generic power supplies I have here (use it to charge my mavica battery). Power supply's max is 12V. The GRiD says 16V, but someone told me they'll run off of 12V (automotive voltage) too. When I plug it in and hit the switch, the status lights above the keyboard flash on and off rapidly (continuously) in conjunction with a "ticking" noise. My guess is, the power supply isnt up to snuff with what the laptop wants. Anybody got a power supply (and/or an entire system WITH power supply) for a 1530 for sale? In fact, I'd be interested in ANY GRiD hardware that anybody on this list has for sale. Bill -- +---------------+-------------------+ | Bill Bradford | mrbill(a)mrbill.net | +-------BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-------+-----------------------------------------+ | Version: 3.12 GCS d- s:++ a- C++++ US++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ N++ o K+++ w--- | | O- M-- V- PS PE+ Y+ PGP t+ 5 X- R-- tv+++ b++++ DI++++ D++ G++ e++ h r++ y+ | +--------END GEEK CODE BLOCK--------------------------------------------------+

24 years, 9 months

Mac to Bernoulli Cable

by jsowden＠americansentry.net

I am looking for a cable to attach a Mac SE (DB25?) to an 8" Bernoulli Drive (Amphenol?) John Sowden American Sentry Systems, Inc. 1221 Andersen Drive San Rafael, CA 94901 (415) 457-2622 Voice (415) 457-2624 FAX "Serving the San Francisco Bay Area" jsowden(a)americansentry.net http://www.americansentry.net

24 years, 9 months

Mos Technology RAM wanted

by edick＠idcomm.com

I'm not at all sure what you've said here, Allison. Aren't we in agreement? The 2101 was a 1k-bit sram organized as 256x4 with separate inputs and outputs. The 2102 was a 1k-bit sram organized as 1kx1 with separate in and out. The 2112 was a 1 k-bit sram organized as 256x4 with common ins and outs. They're all different, but whoever wrote the message to which I attached mine already knew that it was a 256x4 in a 22 pin package 0.400" wide. Additionally, there was a 2115 which was a high-speed (25 ns) 1kx1 sram with open drain outputs. I saw few applications for that one, however. It had a cousin, the 2125, which had the same pinout and architecture, but had tristate outputs. Things got muddled when the iNTEL folks started using unused numbers in the 1K-bit family, e.g. 2114, for memories larger than 1k-bits. The 2114, however, was just a microcomputer-compatible (slow) version of the already widely used 2148/49, which was a fast (35-70ns) equivalent to the 2114. They also made the 2147 which had the same bit count as the 2148/49 but with a 4kx1 organization with separate input and output and pinout compatible with the much slower TMS4044. The PET 2001 was pretty early among the production microcomputers, hence may have come along too early to capitalize on the high-volume production of the 4K-bit srams. Dick -----Original Message----- From: allisonp(a)world.std.com <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Mos Technology RAM wanted > >2101 was 1kbits but by 4. 256x4 22pins. > >For that time it may have been 2112 or other cousins. > >Allison > >On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Richard Erlacher wrote: > >> I think the basic number you're looking for is "2101" from the same 1K >> series as the famous "2102" which is a 16-pin 1kx1 with separate in and out. >> The 2101's I have are not fast enough to meet the 200ns spec. However, not >> much of anything that was readily available at the time the PET model 2001 >> came out was that fast. Either it was quite a bit faster, e.g. 2147, 2115, >> etc, or it was slower, e.g. 2114, 21L02, TMS4044 etc, which were typically >> 450 ns at that point in time. Those 450 ns parts worked handsomely with the >> 1 MHz 6502. Perhaps you'd be able to use a 2101. >> >> Let me know if you think that might work for you. I've had my small supply >> (maybe 4 pieces) since back in '76-'77 when I got my original 6501, though >> I've never used them for anything. >> >> Dick >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> >> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> >> Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 2:39 AM >> Subject: Re: Mos Technology RAM wanted >> >> >> >On Mar 20, 13:23, John Honniball wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:28:09 GMT Pete Turnbull >> ><pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> wrote: >> > >> >> > One of the MCS6550 RAMs has gone west. Does anyone have a spare, or an >> >> > equivalent, for sale? It's a 22-pin 1024 x 4 200ns static RAM. >> >> >> >> I'll have to check the RAMs in the spare PET that I >> >> keep in the garage. Can't remember whether they're SRAMs >> >> or DRAMs in the bigger PETs. >> > >> >Only the oldest 2001-x PETs use those SRAMs. I guess it's time to build >> >that upgrade board (a PAL, a pair of EPROMS, and some 6264s, a 62256, or >> >some cast-off PC cache). >> > >> >-- >> > >> >Pete Peter Turnbull >> > Dept. of Computer Science >> > University of York >> >

24 years, 9 months

iOpener

by edick＠idcomm.com

I'm not certain I know which of the items on my list you're referring to , but I've learned that I have only five drives to deal with, so I'm not worrying about making a board at this juncture. I've got to adapt from two fairly standard connectors, i.e. 40-pin IDE and +12, 2x GND, +5, of which the +12 isn't needed, to that 44-pin connector on the notebook drives. The best arrangement I've seen is is a dual-row by 22 with short soldertails sticking strainght out from the connector in such a way as to facilitate soldering to a 2-sided PCB. That, at this point would work for me. I have an adapter between the two connector types but that's just a mite too large for my application, particularly since it restricts my ability to mount the drive such that it's centered on the PCB, half protruding through the top of the board and half through the bottom so as to avoid interference with the adjacent cards. So, John, did you find they were back-ordered on the ribbon cable? Since I'm in no hurry, perhaps it doesn't make much difference. You're right about the suitability of 50-conductor ribbon, though. Dick -----Original Message----- From: John Wilson <wilson(a)dbit.dbit.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Monday, March 20, 2000 7:34 PM Subject: Re: iOpener >On Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 01:13:45PM -0700, Richard Erlacher wrote: >> Do any of you fellows know of a ready/reasonable source of the 44-conductor >> connectors and cables used with notebook drives? I believe the spacing of >> the connector pins is 2mm. > >Digikey sells it, but it seems they're backordered on the AMP brand for >about a week, all they have is the 3M equivalent which costs 5x as much. >I just changed my order to the 3M stuff and now I'm kicking myself because >I forgot to ask whether they had the AMP version in 50 conductors, I'd be >happy to unzip the last 6 conductors and save myself $30!!! Geez. > >John Wilson >D Bit

24 years, 9 months

Mos Technology RAM wanted

by edick＠idcomm.com

I think the basic number you're looking for is "2101" from the same 1K series as the famous "2102" which is a 16-pin 1kx1 with separate in and out. The 2101's I have are not fast enough to meet the 200ns spec. However, not much of anything that was readily available at the time the PET model 2001 came out was that fast. Either it was quite a bit faster, e.g. 2147, 2115, etc, or it was slower, e.g. 2114, 21L02, TMS4044 etc, which were typically 450 ns at that point in time. Those 450 ns parts worked handsomely with the 1 MHz 6502. Perhaps you'd be able to use a 2101. Let me know if you think that might work for you. I've had my small supply (maybe 4 pieces) since back in '76-'77 when I got my original 6501, though I've never used them for anything. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Pete Turnbull <pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 2:39 AM Subject: Re: Mos Technology RAM wanted >On Mar 20, 13:23, John Honniball wrote: >> >> On Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:28:09 GMT Pete Turnbull ><pete(a)dunnington.u-net.com> wrote: > >> > One of the MCS6550 RAMs has gone west. Does anyone have a spare, or an >> > equivalent, for sale? It's a 22-pin 1024 x 4 200ns static RAM. >> >> I'll have to check the RAMs in the spare PET that I >> keep in the garage. Can't remember whether they're SRAMs >> or DRAMs in the bigger PETs. > >Only the oldest 2001-x PETs use those SRAMs. I guess it's time to build >that upgrade board (a PAL, a pair of EPROMS, and some 6264s, a 62256, or >some cast-off PC cache). > >-- > >Pete Peter Turnbull > Dept. of Computer Science > University of York

24 years, 9 months

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