test-drb August 1999

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Information Please -- HP 13037D Storage Control Unit

by rigdonj＠intellistar.net

Hi, I went scrounging again today and came home with a HP 13037D Storage Control Unit Option 100. It's dated 1984 but the only reference that I could find to it is in the 1977 HP catalog. It lists the 13037A and says that it's a micro-processor based controller that offers a high level interface that simplifies the design of the CPU I/O card. And that multiple drives and CPUs may be connected to the SCU. Big whoppee! What does that mean? Can anyone tell me more about it? I assume that it's for the old HP MAC (Multiple Access Controller) interface. It has an HP-IB port and several cables that have card edge connectors. I doubt that I need it so if anyone has a need for it contact me directly. Joe

26 years, 1 month

Information Please -- HP 13037D Storage Control Unit

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

You wrote... > I went scrounging again today and came home with a HP 13037D Storage >Control Unit Option 100 Off the top of my head without checking the manuals for accuracy..... The 13037 was HP's bid to get away from having a different controller in the backplane for each different drive. Previous disc interfaces were particular to fixed head, moving head, drum, etc. In addition, the interfaces in the card cage always took more than one slot as I recall. There is a 13037A, B, and C that I know about, I have nothing that refers to the D model. With the 13037, one interface card goes in the card cage. Cables go from this to a rack mount box (about 5 inches tall, about 28 inches deep). Inside this rackmount box was a separate microprocessor board and additional disc interfaces. The drives in turn were connected to the rackmount box. The particular features of the 13037 stuff was that more than one system could be connected to the rackmount microprocessor, but mainly different types of discs could be connected. The 13037B could do 7905, 7906, and 7920 drives. The 13037C added the capability to do both MAC and HP-IB drives. I have it on good word that the A and B models were junk (comparatively), and that the C model was the "one to get". I might have a spare manual on the 13037, I'll have to check. I do have a 13037C under refurb at the moment. Regards, jay West

26 years, 1 month

ADM and Imsai

by oconnellb＠home.com

Hi I'm trying to interface an ADM-3A with an IMSAI 8080 using an IMSAI SIO card (revision 3). Has anyone had experience with this combination? I'm trying to ascertain baud rate, parity as well as the relevant settings on the SIO's two sets of DIP switches. Thanks! Brian

26 years, 1 month

List spam again

by kyrrin＠bluefeathertech.com

Regarding that spam from the fellow selling computer parts... First, let me say that I've been actively fighting spam since I first got a dial-up 'net account in 1994. I've seen a lot of spams, and I've gotten to where I can usually tell when someone may have made an honest error in judgment, as far as advertising their new business, vs. actually doing intentional spam. The spam from Mr. Holtzclaw had the feel of an honest error to it. Here are the actions I've taken. 1). I have traced back the spam to its source, and notified the ISP involved (jaxn.com was indeed the source). Their AUP specifically prohibits spamming, so I would not be surprised if Mr. Holtzclaw starts looking for a new provider very soon. 2). I have sent a note to Mr. Holtzclaw, something I almost never do, explaining -- POLITELY -- about spam, about what he did, and where to find web resources that explain what spam is and why it is a Bad Thing. I'll keep the group updated with any responses I receive. Oh, and I also sent a message to our (perhaps justifiably) overzealous member who wanted to fire off a DoS attack on the responsible mail server. I have asked him not to do so, as fighting abuse with more abuse never gets anything done. Onward we go...! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies http://www.bluefeathertech.com // E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com Amateur Radio: WD6EOS since Dec. '77 "Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."

26 years, 1 month

Definition confirmation (please read)...

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Nor me. I've been called a 'hardware hacker' on many occasions, and I <have no worries about accepting that title (even though I consider I'm a <_minor_ hardware hacker). The rest of you can decide if the title is <appropriate. I've been called a Hardware, software, RF, microwave and audio hacker in the most genuine 1974 terms. Tot hat all I say is, it what I do. The evolved one does not fit me nor are them many others from the slang english. Another that has been applied was my, avocation is my vocation. Allison

26 years, 1 month

HP TSB internals

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

No Sellam, no one took the time to reverse engineer TSB.... This manual is called 2000E IMS (Internals Maintenance Specification). It was written by HP, and I'm pretty certain it was used to train new programmers who were to work on the TSB code itself. It's just way too detailed (and most of it printed too nicely) to be someone just doing some reverse engineering. I'll probably get to scanning a few parts of it in next week. Cheers! Jay West

26 years, 1 month

Z-80 hack

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Since this is something that's only got to work once, I thought I'd put th <SRAM on a small scrap of perf, along with a PAL to fiddle with the timing. <The reason for not fiddling with the nWAIT line is that it doesn't time <right with the instruction fetches, such that the peripherals will see the <RETI opcode. If this gets too involved, I'll simply have to suffer throug <doing it from the parallel port on the PC, but I already have some code <written many years ago (in BASIC) which does the job nicely, and I'll <probably never use it again. Seems like the hard way to get there. <alignment until these repairs are effected. The code was written for an <S-100 box I used back in the '80's which ran a 12MHz (hand-picked) CPU Why 12mhz? Reading the bits directly? <I found that the wait line doesn't work for this sort of thing. It's got t <do with the way the peripherals work. Switching the clock rate does work, <though. It's a way to do it. just dont get clock spikes. <>I hacked one to 8mhz and then put it back, it was never as solid in <>operation. <> <Their RAM timing was stupid. It was very reasonable as a 4mhz board. Pushing to 8mhz was too much and also the rest of the signals smeared out. Mine BTW was a AMPROLB with the SCSI option. <What's a TCJ? The Computer Journal. They are too short on cah to publish but they do offer back issues. <I never saw much advantage in using Z-80 with mode-2 interrupts anyway. I <guess it's just a matter of style. I like simple interrupts, and if it get <too complicated, use another system to handle the I/O that makes it <complicated. It's much easier to use three computers than to figure out ho <to use one with three interrupts. I guess I'm lazy . . . For many things mode 2 is much to much work. For others it's the only way to fly. Then again so few CPM machines even used interrupts at all (remember waiting for the disk to stop before typing?). I modded my AmproLB for minimum power consumption instead by replacing all I could with CMOS. The board itself is now under 3.5W power consumption most of it in the SCSI loads and Floppy. Allison

26 years, 1 month

Z-80 hack

by edick＠idcomm.com

please see comments embedded below regards, Dick -----Original Message----- From: Allison J Parent <allisonp(a)world.std.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 7:54 AM Subject: Re: Z-80 hack ><I've got a little job to do which would be easy with an AMPRO Little-Board ><like the REV-0 boards I have got, except that it's too slow. I was thinkin ><that the easiest way to do this thing is to take a Z-80H from the selected ><12MHz capable ones I have, team it up with a 64Kx8 SRAM, and a set of the > >The number of mods to get a LB to run at 12mhz would be better invested in >building a new board from scratch. > Since this is something that's only got to work once, I thought I'd put the SRAM on a small scrap of perf, along with a PAL to fiddle with the timing. The reason for not fiddling with the nWAIT line is that it doesn't time right with the instruction fetches, such that the peripherals will see the RETI opcode. If this gets too involved, I'll simply have to suffer through doing it from the parallel port on the PC, but I already have some code written many years ago (in BASIC) which does the job nicely, and I'll probably never use it again. I'm working on restoring a dozen or so 8" floppy drives which malfinction in one sense or another, to the extent that I can't verify/adjust their alignment until these repairs are effected. The code was written for an S-100 box I used back in the '80's which ran a 12MHz (hand-picked) CPU together with some fast SRAMS. I don't want to fire up the S-100 stuff right now, and the AMPRO provides sufficient packaging to allow me to install a mezzanine board on the processor socket. My HDC adapter sits there anyway, and the code is on that drive. It steps through the process of troubleshooting the logic on Shugart 800/801 boards, Siemens 100-8's, and a few others I don't have to deal with today. The timing probably isn't even that critical, but I prefer to handle the job this way since I've given away the hardware I previously used. The thing I have to build is just a port in and a port out, to monitor and control the signals to/from the drive without having to read and write. This also allows monitoring of the signals at various test points in the circuit without having to use the 'scope, which only does half the job. > ><'A' type peripherals, provided I switch the clock to 4MHz each time I see a ><IORQ* or an (M1* & I/O*) or a RETI on the data bus during M1*, resetting th ><higher speed on the next M1*. > >there is a wait line for this kind of stuff. I'd upgrade to faster >peripherals 6 or 8 mhz ones are still available. > I found that the wait line doesn't work for this sort of thing. It's got to do with the way the peripherals work. Switching the clock rate does work, though. > >The FDC, SIO, CTC, RAM(and timing chain) all have Tacc that are way to slow >for even 6mhz. > >I hacked one to 8mhz and then put it back, it was never as solid in >operation. > Their RAM timing was stupid. > ><Have you ever tried something like that? What am I overlooking here? > >Basic design. Many of the utilities are timing sensitive. Catch TCJ and >order some back issues for the 8mhz mod. The back issues are still >available. > What's a TCJ? > >Also get issue 79, the P112 board may really be what you want. > ><I used to do things like that with the 65xx and 68xx parts all the time, bu ><never with a Z-80 because of the peripherals and the mode-2 interrupt, which ><the AMPRO board probably doesn't even use. > >The ampro does use mode 2, otherwise there is little point to using z80 >peripherals. > I never saw much advantage in using Z-80 with mode-2 interrupts anyway. I guess it's just a matter of style. I like simple interrupts, and if it gets too complicated, use another system to handle the I/O that makes it complicated. It's much easier to use three computers than to figure out how to use one with three interrupts. I guess I'm lazy . . . > >allison > >

26 years, 1 month

Z-80 hack

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<I've got a little job to do which would be easy with an AMPRO Little-Board <like the REV-0 boards I have got, except that it's too slow. I was thinkin <that the easiest way to do this thing is to take a Z-80H from the selected <12MHz capable ones I have, team it up with a 64Kx8 SRAM, and a set of the The number of mods to get a LB to run at 12mhz would be better invested in building a new board from scratch. <'A' type peripherals, provided I switch the clock to 4MHz each time I see a <IORQ* or an (M1* & I/O*) or a RETI on the data bus during M1*, resetting th <higher speed on the next M1*. there is a wait line for this kind of stuff. I'd upgrade to faster peripherals 6 or 8 mhz ones are still available. The FDC, SIO, CTC, RAM(and timing chain) all have Tacc that are way to slow for even 6mhz. I hacked one to 8mhz and then put it back, it was never as solid in operation. <Have you ever tried something like that? What am I overlooking here? Basic design. Many of the utilities are timing sensitive. Catch TCJ and order some back issues for the 8mhz mod. The back issues are still available. Also get issue 79, the P112 board may really be what you want. <I used to do things like that with the 65xx and 68xx parts all the time, bu <never with a Z-80 because of the peripherals and the mode-2 interrupt, whic <the AMPRO board probably doesn't even use. The ampro does use mode 2, otherwise there is little point to using z80 peripherals. allison

26 years, 1 month

IBM PS/2 P70-386 SIMM needed...+ a couple other things...

by roblwill＠usaor.net

Basically what I meant is banks of two. There's two SIMMS in a bank, with 2 banks, totaling 4 SIMMS. If you install three 2 MB SIMMS, instead of getting a 6 MB memory reading, you'll get a 4 MB reading and a memory error. ///--->>> -Jason Willgruber (roblwill(a)usaor.net) ICQ#: 1730318 <http://members.tripod.com/general_1> -----Original Message----- From: Olminkhof <jolminkh(a)nsw.bigpond.net.au> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, August 06, 1999 2:11 AM Subject: Re: IBM PS/2 P70-386 SIMM needed...+ a couple other things... > > >Jason Wrote: >>I need a 2MB SIMM for an IBM PS/2 P70-386. I know they go in in sets of >>two's, but for some reason, I have a spare SIMM that I found. Does anyone > > >I've never heard of this "sets of 2" stuff on these. >They use the same simms as the desktop model 70 . . ie with presence >detect circuitry. > >Hans > >

26 years, 1 month

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