test-drb June 1999

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Seen at an NC establishment closing down later this year

by jolminkh＠nsw.bigpond.net.au

Today I visited an NC machining establishment that is to close down soon. There is an operating PDP11/23 there that I have my eye on. Amongst the other accumulated stuff were 8 X Memorex 8" floppy drives, never used and still in their original packaging. There were 2 models, 550 and 651. They are about 4" high and powered by 220v, 50Hz. The model 550's have an edge connector while the 651's have a rectangular multi-pin connector. The delivery documentation is dated in May 1977 and also listed documentation and software that wasn't in the box I opened and is probably missing. They were never used because they were bought in error. What should I do? Am I ever likely to find a use for them if I take them? Hans Olminkhof

26 years, 1 month

How your collection storage space is used?

by kstumpf＠unusual.on.ca

Please ponder this question. We either collect mainframes, minicomputers, or microcomputers. In the mix there is hardware, software, documentation, spares, and related material such as magazines, books, novelties. There might also be the original boxes. What percentage of your space is taken up by the hardware and how much by everything else? What is the ratio of actual computers to all the other stuff that goes along with them? Please tell me the catagory(s) of computer(s) you collect (mainframe, etc.), and what your percentages are. I am working on an article and also on the 2nd edition of A Guide, so your estimates would be very helpful. Thank you very much. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Kevin Stumpf * Unusual systems * www.unusual.on.ca +1.519.744.2900 * EST/EDT GMT - 5 Collector - Commercial Mainframes & Minicomputers from the 50s, 60s, & 70s and control panels and consoles. Author & Publisher - A Guide to Collecting Computers & Computer Collectibles * ISBN 0-9684244-0-6 .

26 years, 1 month

Are you sitting down?

by jlwest＠tseinc.com

I would be very interested in the 11/34 rack with the two RK05's, and the ASR33. I have no interest in the 11/84, and while I am somewhat interested in the 8i, I already have an 8E so I should take a back seat to anyone who doesn't have an 8. I'm in Missouri, so Iowa wouldn't be that big of a deal for me. I would be willing to tandem up with others and take a hand in getting the equipment and splitting it up with other collectors. If anyone wants to get together on this, just let me know. I certainly meet criteria 1 through 3, and 4 as well if someone will partner up with me for the drive and dissemination. Jay West -----Original Message----- From: Ethan Dicks <ethan_dicks(a)yahoo.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 7:09 AM Subject: Re: Are you sitting down? >--- Anthony Clifton - Wirehead <wirehead(a)retrocomputing.com> wrote: >> >> >> I have in my garage: >> >> (1) PDP-11/34 with RK05j and RK05f >> (1) PDP-11/84 with RA80 and TU80 >> (3) PDP-8/I, one with high speed paper tape punch reader and >> one with DECTape >> (1) ASR-33 which goes with the 8/Is > >Nice set. > >> I would like these machines to leave my garage, preferably all >> at the same time, and travel to someone else's place who has: >> >> 1. Enough space to give them a permanent home >> 2. Enough time to restore and preserve them as they SHOULD BE >> 3. Enough love for them to not turn them into some kind of weird >> investment scheme for EBay >> 4. ...and Enough money to bring an appropriately sized vehicle >> with a lift gate to Des Moines, Iowa to retrieve them > >I suspect that many people on the list have number one, quite a few have number >two, a good many of us have number three, but number four is the kicker. > >I'm in Ohio and I'm not prepared to haul 4+ racks from Iowa (plus I already >have an 8/i and some of the other stuff) > >> At any rate, I intend to only sell these to someone on ClassicCmp. >> They will NOT appear on Ebay, Usenet or any other forum frequented >> by people who are not necessarily collectors. > >Good for you. > >> The 8/Is are 3 out of a set of just under 4000 ever produced. > >Wow. I haven't looked up the numbers in Doug Jones' FAQ lately; I thought >there were more of them made than that. > >> I'd like ideas, suggestions, etc. If anyone REALLY, REALLY wants these >> and just know you have to have them, and you have the above characteristics >> and you have money, trades, etc. I'm willing to consider that too. > >Of all the systems you've mentioned, the -8/i with the DECtape is the only >part that I would really want, partially because my only DECtape is a >TU56/TD8E combo, and because I have always wanted to run OS/8 on my own >-8/i, but I have no mass storage device for it (only high-speed paper tape) > >You are over 10 hours drive from my house, and I'm a lot closer than most of >the people on the list. It's a worthy goal, but to make a road trip from, >say, California, would be an epic journey. If anyone from the East Coast >is willing to make the trip, I could be interested in participating in the >western leg of it. > >-ethan > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > >

26 years, 1 month

Are you sitting down?

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- Anthony Clifton - Wirehead <wirehead(a)retrocomputing.com> wrote: > > > I have in my garage: > > (1) PDP-11/34 with RK05j and RK05f > (1) PDP-11/84 with RA80 and TU80 > (3) PDP-8/I, one with high speed paper tape punch reader and > one with DECTape > (1) ASR-33 which goes with the 8/Is Nice set. > I would like these machines to leave my garage, preferably all > at the same time, and travel to someone else's place who has: > > 1. Enough space to give them a permanent home > 2. Enough time to restore and preserve them as they SHOULD BE > 3. Enough love for them to not turn them into some kind of weird > investment scheme for EBay > 4. ...and Enough money to bring an appropriately sized vehicle > with a lift gate to Des Moines, Iowa to retrieve them I suspect that many people on the list have number one, quite a few have number two, a good many of us have number three, but number four is the kicker. I'm in Ohio and I'm not prepared to haul 4+ racks from Iowa (plus I already have an 8/i and some of the other stuff) > At any rate, I intend to only sell these to someone on ClassicCmp. > They will NOT appear on Ebay, Usenet or any other forum frequented > by people who are not necessarily collectors. Good for you. > The 8/Is are 3 out of a set of just under 4000 ever produced. Wow. I haven't looked up the numbers in Doug Jones' FAQ lately; I thought there were more of them made than that. > I'd like ideas, suggestions, etc. If anyone REALLY, REALLY wants these > and just know you have to have them, and you have the above characteristics > and you have money, trades, etc. I'm willing to consider that too. Of all the systems you've mentioned, the -8/i with the DECtape is the only part that I would really want, partially because my only DECtape is a TU56/TD8E combo, and because I have always wanted to run OS/8 on my own -8/i, but I have no mass storage device for it (only high-speed paper tape) You are over 10 hours drive from my house, and I'm a lot closer than most of the people on the list. It's a worthy goal, but to make a road trip from, say, California, would be an epic journey. If anyone from the East Coast is willing to make the trip, I could be interested in participating in the western leg of it. -ethan _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

26 years, 1 month

How your collection storage space is used?

by lwalker＠mail.interlog.com

At 07:41 AM 6/3/99 -0400, you wrote: >Please ponder this question. > >We either collect mainframes, minicomputers, or microcomputers. In the mix >there is hardware, software, documentation, spares, and related material >such as magazines, books, novelties. There might also be the original >boxes. > >What percentage of your space is taken up by the hardware and how much >by everything else? What is the ratio of actual computers to all the other >stuff that goes along with them? Please tell me the catagory(s) of >computer(s) >you collect (mainframe, etc.), and what your percentages are. > >I am working on an article and also on the 2nd edition of A Guide, so your >estimates would be very helpful. > >Thank you very much. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------------------- >Kevin Stumpf * Unusual systems * www.unusual.on.ca >+1.519.744.2900 * EST/EDT GMT - 5 > >Collector - Commercial Mainframes & Minicomputers from > the 50s, 60s, & 70s and control panels and consoles. > >Author & Publisher - A Guide to Collecting Computers & >Computer Collectibles * ISBN 0-9684244-0-6 >. > I collect home Micros and live in a 1BR apartment. Most of my computer apparatus is in my BR but there is some overflow into the LR like my TRS-80 M2, 3 of the huge HDDs, and peripherals and disks, and where I also have other non-comp. electronic equipment. Fortunately I have 12' ceilings. Docs and disks take up around 50 sq.ft.x 10" on shelves and in a filing cabinet. Monitors and terminals take up about 42 sq.ft.x 1' on top of my full-length former dresser. A row of creatively stacked desktops and printers is around 48 sq ft in front of that. Racks and cabinets with computers, peripherals, parts and test equipment take up another 50 sq.ft.x18" Workbench and primary computers and equipment occupy about 30 sq.ft.x3' under the shelving. Wasting no storage potential, the space under my bed is also occupied, mainly by periperals. Another 24 sq.ft. You do the mathematics. xxx cu. ft. Do I wish I had a garage ? Hell yes !! But a museum-workspace would be much better, even if it meant grubby budding JDs got to mistreat them. ciao larry lwalker(a)interlog.com Let us know of your upcoming computer events for our Events Page. t3c(a)xoommail.com Collectors List and info http://members.xoom.com/T3C

26 years, 1 month

Lobotomizing HyperTerminal

by zmerch＠30below.com

On or about 09:21 PM 6/3/99 -0700, Sellam Ismail was caught in a dark alley speaking these words: [snip] >This is still insane. Visit www.tucows.com and download the programs that >Windows should have come with in the first place, instead of the >brain-dead schlock you get with a stock install. I've only used the "schlock" when absolutely necessary; i.e. at a friend's house w/o an Internet connection to download something better and that's all he has. Nonetheless, IIRC the original question was "how do I get this shit to work," not "what works better than this shit." With that in mind, I hope my original suggestions were helpful. >Or, if you want, I can send you a copy of ProcommPlus for DOS that works >under Windows. Its my old trusty friend. Easy to use, easy to configure, >solid. I've not worked with ProcommPlus for DOS, but IMHO the Windows-based version was less than ideal. [that's diplomatic speak for "it really sucks."] For a windows based solution, I've had excellent luck with NetTerm. *Everything* is configurable, it's very small, extremely fast, has a built-in FTP Daemon (tho that's a bit tricky to set up -- it takes some playing to get it right & secure) and works not only with direct comm lines, modems & the like, but also works with the Internet for telnetting as well. For me, it's an all-around solution. Or, like you failed to quote in my original message, -------- Or, do as I do: grab your trusty Tandy 200 with the attitude of "Screw WinBlows - this works better!" -------- As always, YMMV, but my mileage is great!!! ;-) Roger "Merch" Merchberger ===== Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- zmerch(a)30below.com SysAdmin - Iceberg Computers ===== Merch's Wild Wisdom of the Moment: ===== Sometimes you know, you just don't know sometimes, you know?

26 years, 1 month

Privacy questions reviewed by actual attorney!

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Ok, I asked my resident family lawyer a few questions concerning the recent computer privacy debate and here's what he had to say: I asked: Say you buy someone's old computer from them and it contains their personal data that they forgot to delete. Say its really personal stuff (love letters, sexual fantasies, journals, etc). A) do you "own" that data? B) are you free to do with it as you please? C) can the original owner sue you for anything if you publish that data (like sell it to the National Enquirer?) And his replies: A) do you "own" that data? It goes to the intention of the parties. I don't think that the seller intends to sell private information only the computer. B) Are you free to do with it as you please? No, you would be liable for any invasion of privacy. C) can the original owner sue you for anything if you publish that data (like sell it to the National Enquirer?) Yes. -- Sorry if these questions were rather simplistic. If anyone has some better questions to ask then send them to me and I'll forward them along. Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. Coming this October 2-3: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0! See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 05/25/99]

26 years, 1 month

Western Digital Hardisks

by redneck＠saudionline.com.sa

hello, if i use scanrite to scan a hardisk with bad sectors, will the bad sectors remain or get repaired? With some other programs, everytime i scan the number of bad sectors get doubled... please reply to me shoeb

26 years, 1 month

Northstar Horizon

by edick＠idcomm.com

I don't think there's much risk of that. Besides, they have to email me to know where to send the $$$. I doubt this occurred to you, eh, Sam? -----Original Message----- From: Sellam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 9:44 PM Subject: Re: Northstar Horizon >On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Richard Erlacher wrote: > >> This isn't exactly what you're discussing, but . . . I've got, in my hand an >> S-100 board, not fully populated, silkscreened >> >> "North Star Computers, Inc. >> Z-80A Processor Board Z80-A2" >> >> I'll send this jewel via USPS Priority mail, as is, to the first person >> whose $3.20 I get in the mail to cover mailing. > >That doesn't make sense. What if 20 people take the time to send in >$3.20? Sure, I know how you always gripe about people who say they want >something and then don't follow through, but this solution is not good. > >Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. > > Coming this October 2-3: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0! > See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! > [Last web site update: 05/25/99] >

26 years, 1 month

Lobotomizing HyperTerminal

by zmerch＠30below.com

Rumor has it that Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) may have mentioned these words: >But how do I lobotomize that silly "HYPER-TERMINAL" app in Windoze95 to >convince it that I do NOT want it to dial, wait for carriertone, etc.? I've found the best way to force HyperTerminal to do this is tell it to dial a stupid number like "876" and when it starts out to dial, just click cancel. it knocks you back to the terminal screen, but leaves the connection to the com port open. Or, do as I do: grab your trusty Tandy 200 with the attitude of "Screw WinBlows - this works better!" Hope this helps, Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

26 years, 1 month

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