Is there any interest here for a TRS-80 Model III located in the Dallas
area? Please let me know and I'll pass you on to the seller.
Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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CoCo... 6809... OS-9... duh! I said it was a late night.
I put the C65 on with the 64 not really because they're similar, but because
the 65 is just a prototype.
Victor 9000, good addition!
Check out the WorkSlate at
http://www.geocities.com/~compcloset/ConvergentTechnologiesWorkSlate.htm.
One cool thing about the WorkSlate, the tapes were stereo, and the data was
only one one track - the other track held audio! So as you loaded the
program, the audio would play back, telling you about the program and its
functions.
Kai
-----Original Message-----
From: Cameron Kaiser [mailto:ckaiser@oa.ptloma.edu]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 11:06 PM
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
Subject: Re: Top 150 Collectible Microcomputers
My comments ...
::* Apple Macintosh 128
::
::1984. The Super Bowl.
Right on. :-)
::* Commodore 64 / 65
::
::Probably the biggest selling computer of all time, in terms of market
share
::at the time
These should really be separate. The 65 is much, much more interesting than
the 64 (and, coming from a guy who logs in with his 128, that's really
saying something :-) in terms of hardware, rarity and history.
::* Commodore C16 / Plus 4
::
::I don't care much for these, but Commodore fanatics love 'em
They're stupendous machines that never found a use. Commodore really shot
themselves in the foot by making them 64-incompatible, but TED graphics are
stellar.
::* Convergent Technologies WorkSlate
::
::A wacky early laptop that used a spreadsheet metaphor for _everything_.
Whoa. Who can tell me about these? Spreadsheet metaphor?
::* Data General One
::
::DG really wanted into the burgeoning micro market, and tried their hand in
::desktops with the MicroNOVAs, but eventually found some small, brief
success
::with this kinda-sorta-PC-compatible laptop.
Weren't they more successful than this? My DG One runs Caldera OpenDOS now,
btw. :-)
::* Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computers 1-3
::
::If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. Radio Shack goes color and 6502.
I'm sure you mean 6809, right? :-P The CoCoers would kill you over this one.
::* Radio Shack TRS-80 Pocket Computers
::
::Some of the first calculator-style "computers" with BASIC
Don't forget the Sharp and Casio systems these were unabashed clones of,
though I think you mention the Sharps somewhere ...
::* Sharp Pocket Computers PC-1500 / PC-1500A
::
::Actually similar to some of the Radio Shack pocket computers which were
::built by Sharp, these later, larger units had a lot of software and
::peripherals.
... yep. The PC-4 is a Casio PB-410, btw. (Someone check this ... ?)
::* Sinclair ZX81 / Timex-Sinclair ZX1000
::
::Sinclair merges with Timex and gets popular, but not more usable.
The 2068 is even harder to find than the TS1000. (It's just TS1000,
not TS ZX1000.) UK people, what was the 2068 a clone of? The Spec +3?
::* Sphere
::
::Not much is known about this rare semi graphical box.
But sure sounds cool! When did it appear? What did it run?
::* Tomy Tutor
::
::Like the Mattel Aquarius, a quick failure in the edutainment market at the
::time of the video game crash.
I love mine, though :-)
Ones I'd add:
* though not US: Apricot F1 for the colour graphics
* Victor 9000/Sirius 1
Good job!
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Marvin [mailto:marvin@rain.org]
>Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 2:32 PM
>To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
>Subject: Re: Top 150 Collectible Microcomputers
>
>> Lobo PMC-80
>
>Do you possibly mean the MAX-80? I hadn't heard of a PMC-80.
Come to think of it, there were 3 Lobo TRS-80 clones... the LNW-80 (Mod 1
clone), PMC-80 (Mod 1 clone with built-in tape drive and plastic case like a
Sorcerer), and MAX-80 (Mod 3 clone)
I'll probably list all 3 on one line.
Thanks for the heads up
Kai
jpero wrote:> ... very sinister quiet here....
Quiet time, eh? I can help :-) by tossing out dumb questions.
Here's the first: I've got a DEC Rainbow 100A. I love it, but I love the
Dvorak keyboard layout more. There *is* a program on ftp.update.uu.se that
purports to rearrange the keyboard in software (guess mode on: it
intercepts the key input, remaps it using a table lookup, then passes it
back to the remainder of the key input routine : guess mode off)
I've been emailed that the program works .... but it does *not*
work on my machine. It runs, terminates normally, and reports that it's
already installed (as a TSR?) if re-run, but it has no effect on the
keyboard.
I have no Rainbow B to test it on, that could be the difference.
I'm running MS-DOS 3.10B from Suitable Solutions. Could a DECspert with
both a 100A and a 100B let me know if that's the problem? Better still, is
it easy to disassemble the program, find out where/how the intercept I
hypothesize is done, and re-target it for the 100A? Better still, does
anyone know the whereabouts of Jim Beveridge (sic?) the author of the
program?
I know I've left out a slew of relevant details, like where the
program acutally is on update, what the Dvorak keyboard layout is, etc etc.
I'll be more than happy to supply them if anyone is interested in digging
into this and when I get back near my machine with a bit of time to dig
into it. I guess this is reasonably on-topic, but I'll be happy to take it
off-list if folks are happy with quiet time. Thanks in advance!
- Mark
--- Tony Duell <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
After someone else asked:
> > After playing with BeOS a while something occurred to me. Does anyone
> > remember at what point operating systems stopped coming with development
> > tools?
>
> I wasn't aware that they had :-). At least Linux, *BSD, VMS (I think),
> etc come with compilers.
VMS (V5.X and before, for sure) came with an assembler. Compilers were
always extra. At least the engineers stuck it to the marketing types when
the marketing types wanted to charge extra for *run-time* libraries for
the various languages. The engineers wrote a system utility (CUSPS, as they
were called by DEC - I forget exactly what it stands for) in each of the
languages DEC shipped so that the runtimes would have to ship with the OS,
not as a seperate product. ISTR that the error log analyzer is written in
PL/1, for example.
Solaris 2.x never came with a C compiler, but SunOS (BSD-based) did.
AmigaDOS 1.0 came with ABasic, 1.1 and later came with AmigaBASIC (M$). The
assembler and C compiler, etc., were always extra. After 1987, AmigaDOS
came with AREXX. At least the Amiga, after 1.3, came with MicroEMACS as
an alternative to the crappy standard editor.
-ethan
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After playing with BeOS a while something occurred to me. Does anyone remember
at what point operating systems stopped coming with development tools? I'm
remembering the commodore 64 that came with Basic, and if you typed in the
assembler from the manual, you could (at least in theory) write proffessional
quality assembly language programs worthy of being sold to others.
Compare this to modern OSs - windows, macos, etc where the development package
costs hundreds or thousands of dollars extra.
(small plug - BeOS comes with (theoretically) all the tools you need to do
development on it.)
--
Jim Strickland
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<APC probably needs to be there, along with the Wave Mate Bullet.
If you include the bullet then the AMPRO LBseries... it get big after a
while.
Allison
Well, John Lawson didn't quite make off with all the RL02 drives around here.
I've just uncovered 3 more drives available to anyone who can pick them up.
One is known to work, the other two may be "for parts".
If anyone is interested, let me know and I can get the particulars on them
for you. You would have to be able to pick them up in the vicinity of
Seattle, WA.
Dave
A friend has a couple old computers gathering dust. Both work but need new
homes. Any buyers?
Timex Sinclair ZX-80 with manual.
Radio Shack TRS80 Model 1 with monitor, dual disk drives, 48K memory,
manuals, documents, software.
And for video collectors:
Sony Portapac model 3400, also called the Rover, the first popular EIAJ
reel-to-reel portable VCR, with power supply and tape.
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