STRICTLY IF there are enough definite takers for HP1000A units being sold
off by tender by the QLD DMR (see http://www.qits.net.au/hp1000/ ), then I
am prepared to act as a Brisbane staging post.
According to Frank McConnell (see thread "16 x HP1000 A-series systems")
these machines are 1983-1988 vintage. And they will be heavy.
I have communicated off-list already with Geoff Roberts - anyone else?
Although the closing date for a bid is 14 May, I am leaving town for two
weeks holiday on 8 May, so any bid from me will have to go in by fax this
Friday at the latest. I certainly can not hang on to more than one of these
myself, so I will only go ahead with a bid if I am sure that I will not be
holding them for long or our of pocket for long. Really, I am offering just
in case I can be of help here to people who want something less than the
full lot, when they would otherwise go to the recyclers.
The cost each will be 1/16th of the total bid plus freight from DMR to me,
then freight from me to you. I would expect a successful bid to be in the
range $100-$500 but suggestions welcome (such as what is the Australian
scrap value of them?). Please reply ASAP.
Okay, here's a msg for you folks who want an IBM 029 card punch. It's
available in Indianapolis.
Please contact Joe Montano <jmontano(a)iquest.net> to obtain it. Act on it
ASAP as his boss may get rid of it soon.
And no, I didn't simply forward the msg to the list without first recalling
exactly what the machine in question was (in ref. to that DECMATE
embarassment to me a few days ago . . . :-\ ) I've USED this type machine
so know there *may* be belts inside of it ;)
I have asked Joe, thru NADCOMM, to give a bit more info. He sent a little
trying to compare it to a Teletype model 28 which only a few of us on
ClassicCmp know. NADCOMM is the North American Data Communications Museum
located in Fallbrook, CA.
>Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 07:12:55 -0700
>To: North American Data Communications Museum Staff:;,
> Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)netsync.net>
>From: Don Robert House <drhouse(a)abac.com>
>Subject: Fwd: Possible equipment for NADCOMM
>I asked Joe about size and weight. He is going to get back to me.
>Any comments regarding this equipment?
>>From: "Joe Montano" <jmontano(a)iquest.net>
>>Subject: Possible equipment for you.
>>Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:08:10 -0500
>> I know that isn't exactly Teletype equipment but...
>> I have come across an IBM model 29 card punch and was wondering if you
>>might like it for the museum, otherwise it is dumpster bait.
>> It came out of the Indianapolis Ameritech office and has sat in our
>>company's warehouse ever since.
>>Let me know.
<<<<<< Follow-up msg from later in the day 2 May: >>>>>>>>
>Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 17:01:48 -0700
>To: Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)netsync.net>
>From: Don Robert House <drhouse(a)abac.com>
>Subject: Fwd: Re: Possible equipment for NADCOMM
>Cc: "Joe Montano" <jmontano(a)iquest.net>,
> North American Data Communications Museum Staff:;
>Would you help us find a home for this card punch. None of us want this
>item going to the dumpster.
>>From: "Joe Montano" <jmontano(a)iquest.net>
>>To: "Don Robert House" <drhouse(a)abac.com>
>>Subject: Re: Possible equipment for NADCOMM
>>Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 14:09:57 -0500
>>This unit is definitely NOT as heavy as a 28 as I had no problem lifting up
>>the HEAVY end. I would est. the weight as closer to 100 lbs. and maybe a
>>little more but not much more.
>>It is about the size of a small child's desk with it being deeper than a 28
>>but not quite as long.
>>I feel that it most definitely should go to some sort of museum or
>>collection but I do not have any connections and I figured that you would,
>>and I was right.
>>Yes, the unit is still in the Indy area and I have told the boss that there
>>is someone interested in it for their museum/collection so he is holding on
>>to it for a little while longer but I can't guarantee(sp?) how long his good
>>nature will hold out.
>>If you could please fwd. this on to whoever you think might be interested in
>>it, we would all be grateful.
Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net
Member of Antique Wireless Association
>Ok, we're cooking now. I've got Fortran IV running on my HT-11 system (with
>FIS support no less!) and compiled the DEMO.FOR program into DEMO.SAV. That
>was pretty neat, but now I'd like to get DECUS C running on this thing.
>I found DECUS C on Tim's web site (cool) but I suspect it won't run on V2.
>Is there anyway to check (except for ?ILL-EMT? :-))
According to CC.DOC, part of the DECUS C documentation, about the
minimum RT-11 systems it might run on:
** This compiler has been built and used under RT-11 V3B and V4.
** It has run on a PDP-11/34, a PDP-11/05 and on PDT150 systems.
So it might not work under your V2-ish system. Then again, it might work!
Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917
Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927
I've started trying to scan in some pdp8/e data sheets. Before I scan in
more pages, i'd appreciate any comments on what little i've already
scanned in (one scan of a pdp8/e that is obviously too big, and two
pages of data on a CESI pdp-8 processor replacement board).
I plan to scan in more of those CESI information sheets on boards that
they made for use in the PDP8/e computer. Is this the best way to do this,
or is there a better way?
Ok, we're cooking now. I've got Fortran IV running on my HT-11 system (with
FIS support no less!) and compiled the DEMO.FOR program into DEMO.SAV. That
was pretty neat, but now I'd like to get DECUS C running on this thing.
I found DECUS C on Tim's web site (cool) but I suspect it won't run on V2.
Is there anyway to check (except for ?ILL-EMT? :-))
Found on the net. Heads up for the funny sounding folks in Australia.
Please reply to original sender.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Subject: antiques-trs80,microbee+apple2e(nsw australia)
From: cmcconne(a)ozemail.com.au (Chris McConnell)
Reply-To: cruffels(a)ozemail.com.au (erina hs)
erina high school on the central coast is in the process of clearing out
several storerooms and in the process has quite a number of old
computers it would be happy to see go to good homes.
if you interested see below and make an offer - any unreasonable offer
will be considered and quickly accepted though obviously we reserve the
right to wait a few days in case a better offer comes in. the only
limitation we have is you must collect them yourself. most are in
working condition but no guarentees can be made and there is little or
no software or manuals included.
TRS - 80's
2 - TRS-80's probably model 1: separate keyboard/cpu, monitor and power
supply (no tapedecks)
2 - TRS-80's definitely model 111: single units with various
configurations (one with and one without floppy drive but no tapedecks)
16 - 32k MICROBEE's from a network: keyboard/cpu, monitor and associated
cabling (but no tapedecks)
1 - 128k MICROBEE: with floppy drive, monitor, 20meg hardrive, network
connection box, dp80 printer, graphics tablet, 20 meg tape/hardrive
backup and sundry connections/cabling
2 - APPLE 2e's: with floppy drive, 128k memory/80 columns, super serial
card and green screen monitors
2 - APPLE 2e's: with double floppy drives, 128k memory/80 columns, super
serial card and color monitors
-- end of forwarded message --
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"Phil Guerney" <guerney(a)uq.net.au> wrote:
> The state (Qld, Australia) main roads department are selling a job lot of 16
> x HP1000 A-series systems.
> Are these the same HP 1000's that are listed in the Comprehensive Computer
> Catalog as being introduced in 1976?
No. Those are probably the 1000 M, E, and F-series and are basically
21MX processors with the "HP1000" name applied. The A-series are
later models. A600s were introduced in 1983, A400s in 1987 or 1988.
I think they're largely compatible (e.g. they share a lot of the same
peripheral I/O cards with the older 2100-family machines, and I think
the processor has largely the same instruction set) but they're mostly
smaller and faster.
> - just a few km from that stash of HP1000's, but they are way out of my
Get some friends to help?
I would like some help. I have a very old version
of ODT.OBJ from an RSX-11 system. I MUST
use this same old version to reproduce an old
executable file, but I want to LINK under RT-11.
The other file is in a source MAC file which does
not use any system calls, so I can use RT-11 to
run MACRO.SAV and produce a FOO.OBJ
>from the source file. BUT, the ODT.OBJ file
has the RSX-11 file format for RSX-11 and I
can't do the LINK under RT-11.
Can anyone suggest a way to convert it to
an RT-11 file format?
NOTE: I am not asking about the file structure
of the directory, but the actual file format of ODT.OBJ
I can attach ODT.OBJ as a file for anyone who might
be able to send me back the other version? It is
already on a floppy with an MS-DOS file structure
and I just used PUTR to copy it the the RT-11 system,
but can't do the LINK under RT-11 and I don't want
to switch to RSX-11.
>> Take a stack of 1 or more but not more than 5 disks and
>> place them on a flat surface.
>> Run a demagnetizer horizontally and vertically over the disks
>> starting beyond the edge of the disk, crossing the disk, and then
>> passing over the opposite edge.
>> Hold the Demagnetizer about 1/4" above the disks and move it
>> around clockwise and anti-clockwise several times, then while
>> moving it in circles, slowly lift it up until it is about 12"
>> above the disks and turn it off.
>> The whole operation should take about 20 - 30 seconds.
>This sounds like voodoo to me. There must be some point when you are
>lifting the demagnetizer away that the effects from the device are
The "lift it slowly away and then turn off" is an important point.
This makes sure that the media really is demagnetized. If you turn
it off while near the media, you can leave the media in a highly
That said, 12 (or even 6) is way too many errors for a floppy disk.
Cleaning the heads, re-aligning, or buying new media (there are lots
of places that still sell 8" floppies) may be the real solution.
>while swirling? Are you sure its not just one of those, or a combination
>of two that really make the disk better? Is this truly making the disk
>better or did the disk drive become amused watching you do all this and
>then just decide to work because you made it laugh?
You can have fun with large degaussers. For those with analog watches
that aren't prized too highly, you can do some really neat tricks, such
as making the run 60 times too fast (i.e. an hour every 60 seconds) or
even making them run backwards!
My experience as I still use them is BAD BLOCKS are bad news (media dying)
or just a crunch from powering down with the disk in the drive. If the
disk does not erase and format without bad blocks it's trash here. I use
my CPM system to format 8" SD disks and failure is not common but in all
cases where I've seen that the media was shedding and gumming the head
so it's trash media and a head cleaning.
IF your trying to salvage data from a dying disk then you apply different