At 16:26 18/05/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Well, my Honeywell experience/knowledge is old and dated. I believe
>Honeywell sold thier computer arm to Group Bull in the late 80's. However,
>because of numerous contracts with the US Govenrnment "Honeywell Bull
>Information Systems" or whatever it was/is called was formed. Something to
>do with those contracts couldn't go to a non-US company.
Hmm, probably things went this way...also they probably agreed with Honeywell
a slower hand-over to allow the clients to better understand the passage
between the two brands (marketing operation).
>For example,
>support for the DPS-8 was dropped sometime between 1991 and 1993, EXCEPT for
>US Government systems.
And many other governments systems around the world, since the system was
widely sold to
military organizations, being one of the few (at those time) with MIL
standards design.
>I suspect that systems that have DPS in the name are primarily the old
>Honeywell systems (based in turn on the old GE Systems)
Yes, the story was:
Olivetti sold to G.E., that sold to Honeywell, that sold to Bull
Riccardo Romagnoli
<chemif(a)mbox.queen.it>
I-47100 Forl?
At 15:28 18/05/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>HUH? To the best of my knowledge no RS/6000 has ever used a M68020.
See my previous msg.
>I believe current RS/6000's use a Power3 processor, which is related to the
>PPC.
Estrella are now out of production
Escala line has an entry level that is 32 bit architecture with a PPC 604
(32 bit)
At 17:09 18/05/99 -0500, you wrote:
>On 18 May 99, at 16:58, Jay West wrote:
>
>> I am by no means well acquainted with the Honeywell line. But I was under
>> the impression that a Honeywell DPS was never called a BULL, it was called
>> a DPS.
This is true:I also know that Bull put the label "Honeywell/Bull" on many
machines that were projected under Honeywell and still in the market when
they step in (e.g. I've personally seen many CQ36 and CQ38 printers with
both labels, according to theyr manufacturing period).
>> The only system with the Honeywell brand that was called a BULL was
>> actually an OEM'ed RS6000 that Honeywell put the BULL label on.
>> Can someone confirm or deny?
This is not true.
After the DPS and before the RS6000 line, BULL presented a line of machines that
should be a connecting ring between the DPS architecture and the UNIX.
>Don't know about that but I have a box which I picked up from a
>company I worked for a long time ago which was always called a
>Honeywell Bull. It wasn't an RS6000 but used an M68020.
The family name was DPX/2 and models no's went from 210 to 380
In the company where I work we are still running a DPX/2 380 under B.O.S.IX
The machine was the last one that used the Motorola 68000 family.
If I remember correctly, 2xx family was monoprocessors while 3xx where multi;
DPX320 and DPX360 used 68020 and 68030.
Ours (380) has one 68040 at 25 Mhz but could accept up to 4 CPU.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Begin [OT] corner about price policy and machines sizing
The funny (or sad) about that is that the expandibility offered by those
machines are always not a good policy: After 3 years (1995) from the
installation date, I decided to check the opportunity to upgrade the machine
with another cpu. The official price was
21 million lira! (Abt 12 thousand USD) that was nearly the current price for
a new system with a Pentium class processor: instead of adapting the price
to the current market value price, they keep (or increase) the pricelist,
probably to better convince them to change earlier the machine.
I believe this policy is widely spread between constructors of propietary
architectures machines.
Now since the old DPX wouldn't see the lights of the new year in a sane
condition, I'm quite indecided between the purchase of an entry level
machine (you keep it 3-4 years then change without upgrades) or just a step
further, with 2way processor capability.
Do you have any personal experience on that?.
End of [OT] corner
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Coming back to DPX family...well before the IBM collaborations (and shares
exchange)
on the PowerPc architecture, Bull released a contemporary line machine based
on a RISC
processor that still used BOSIX. Again the name was DPX/2 (cannot remember
models name).
After this model Bull came out with Estrella and Escala PPC machines. Some
machines where developed by Bull and manufactured by IBM for both labels,
some were developed and made by Bull.
Ciao
Riccardo Romagnoli
<chemif(a)mbox.queen.it>
I-47100 Forl?
>One other question: What was the RGB port on the //c used for? Was this
>for a high-resolution color monitor or what (other than the LCD panel)?
Actually, I don't believe its an RGB port. According to the manual, the
little icon above the port represents "Color TV". The port is used to
connect an RF modulator. I recall reading that the only way to get RGB
monitors to work with a IIc is via a composite-to-RGB adapter, which had
not yet shipped by the time the book was published.
While we're on the subject of video for the Apple IIc, does anybody know
of any inexpensive composite LCDs that'll work the IIc? (Note that
"inexpensive" rules out Apple's display.)
Tom Owad
On Wed, 19 May 1999 11:05:56 -0400 (EDT) allisonp(a)world.std.com writes:
>
> On Tue, 18 May 1999 jeff.kaneko(a)juno.com wrote:
>
> > I would. I collect rotating memories,
> > and obscure interfaces thereto.
> > It is a small sub-speciality of mine. :^)
>
> Jeff,
>
> Also an interest but I tend to be more focused. I'm looking for
> DRUM
> memories of small physical size. I'm interested in getting one
> going
> and I'm limited in space and power I'm willing to commit as I want
> to have
> it run.
>
> If you run across anything that may be on the Northeast I'd be
> interested.
>
> Allison
>
Sad thing is, I wouldn't know a drum memory if it fell on me. :^)
I imagine they were made by the 'heavies': CDC, GE, IBM, Burroughs,
etc.
I recall seeing some made by *Hughes* for sale in a Meshna catalog,
several eons ago.
Jeff
___________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Geez... I can sympathize with you, Sir Wirehead! Seems you aren't the only
person here with the "wish I could remember not to post personal crap to
the list" blues...
I did this right after I read your post about it! Dummy me even copied the
correct email address into the clipboard... just forgot to past it into the
To: field!
Sorry, for I are dumb.
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
>This seems to leave using the MicroVAX as a satellite unit to the
>VAXStation as the only alternative. Tried this, and MicroVAX tried to
>boot from ESA0 while cabled to the VAXStation, but no-joy. Is the
>problem that of not having things set up for cluster operation?
Right. There are databases that have to be built on the node the
satellites boot from, and the right software needs to be installed
there in the first place.
> If so,
>how do I do that?
If the VAXcluster software is installed, you log in as SYSTEM,
type @CLUSTER_CONFIG, and answer a few simple questions.
>Keep it rather basic, please. I am pretty ignorant about all this.
It's pretty easy. CLUSTER_CONFIG is a very friendly program, prompting
you along the way. You'll need to know the Ethernet address of each
satellite and establish some DECNET numbering scheme for your satellites.
The hardest part is thinking up six-character node names for each node :-).
Running a VMSCluster is very easy - it's only slightly more difficult
to administrate a cluster of several hundred nodes than one node. Compare
this with running a few hundred Linux or Windows boxes, a task that
takes an army of administrators.
--
Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com
Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/
7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917
Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927
> it, I did not know where to find the data required. I have since found
> it on www.vaxarchive.com.
I assume you mean www.vaxarchive.org :)
> VAXStation as the only alternative. Tried this, and MicroVAX tried to
> boot from ESA0 while cabled to the VAXStation, but no-joy. Is the
I think we'd be able to answer your question better if we know
more in detail HOW this fails. Any error messages on the consoles?
You never say what OS you were trying to use, but I assume it's
some version of VMS. You can login to the VAXstation as operator
(or someone with equivelent bits) and run REPLY/ENABLE, that would,
iirc, make the VAXstation log information to the console about
clients requesting load images (and much more ofcourse).
On Wed, 19 May 1999 20:53:23 -0400 Christian Fandt <cfandt(a)netsync.net>
writes:
>>Sad thing is, I wouldn't know a drum memory if it fell on me. :^)
>>I imagine they were made by the 'heavies': CDC, GE, IBM, Burroughs,
>>etc.
>>
>>I recall seeing some made by *Hughes* for sale in a Meshna catalog,
>>several eons ago.
>
>I've still got a John Meshna catalog somewhere. '75 or '76 I think. It
>got unearthed during our move and got turned under again somewhere. I
can
>even now visually recall the drum memory ad illustration. Allison might
>recall that company as Meshna was in *I think* Lowell, MA.
That's it! That's it! Wow, you mean there is actually a surviving copy?
Whoa. That sure brings back memories . . .
>I bought a computer linear power supply and an ARC-3 aircraft receiver
>from him and still have them. I miss those old surplus companies. Fair
>Radio Sales is one of the few remaining old time companies.
You know, I never cared for these guys. All of their stuff struck me as
being horribly over priced (for most things).
Jeff
___________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html
or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Does anyone know a source for a fairly cheap monitor for an Apple //c and a
color monitor for a Mac ][?
One other question: What was the RGB port on the //c used for? Was this
for a high-resolution color monitor or what (other than the LCD panel)?
ThAnX,
///--->>>
-Jason Willgruber
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#: 1730318
<http://members.tripod.com/general_1>
