Well! This is going better than I ever expected!
We've got 17 people so far, counting myself, interested in chipping in for
a copy of Teledisk. This has brought the per-person price down to $9.00
(assuming $150 for the program plus $3.00 shipping).
We have eight slots left out of 25 originally, and it occurs to me that I
should probably set a deadline. For the moment, that deadline is 17:00
Pacific Time Sunday (2-28). In other words, tomorrow by five.
If you're interested in getting in on this, please let me know via private
E-mail by then.
Thanks to all who've signed up so far.
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Bruce Lane, Owner and head honcho, Blue Feather Technologies
http://www.bluefeathertech.com
Amateur Radio:(WD6EOS) E-mail: kyrrin(a)bluefeathertech.com
SysOp: The Dragon's Cave (Fido 1:343/272, 253-639-9905)
"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
human terms. It cannot, in any way, define any of them..."
At 12:40 PM 2/26/99 -0800, you wrote:
>
>Does anybody know when Hewlett-Packard made the Model 130C oscilloscope?
>Its tube based. The serial number is 503-03353.
>
>Any pointers would be appreciated.
Well I can tell you that it was made in the 3rd week of 1965. It may be
in my '68 catalog. I'll check next time I pull it out.
Joe
In case it's of interest to anyone, I found the (5-1/4") CP/M boot diskette
for my TS806's. What's the best way to make this available to those who
want it? I'm not sure I can dupe it without setting up one of the
machines? I could do that I guess, but am inclined to let sleeping dogs
lie . . . .
Dick
----------
> From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Wanted: TeleVideo CP/M machine(s)
> Date: Saturday, February 20, 1999 9:16 PM
>
> Perhaps I can help . . . I have a couple of TS806's sans HDD. Any
> interest?
>
> regards,
>
> Dick
>
> ----------
> > From: Doug Auerbach <douga(a)email.com>
> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> > Subject: Wanted: TeleVideo CP/M machine(s)
> > Date: Saturday, February 20, 1999 9:01 PM
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I'm looking for a TeleVideo CP/M machine, particularly the TS-803 or
> > TS-1603. If you have one of these computers, or one similar to this
one
> > (not including the portable), I'd be interesting in buying it. Or, if
> you
> > have suggestions on where else I might look for one, I'd really
> appreciate
> > it. These were great machines, but they're hard to find now!
> >
> > Actually, I may be interested in two of these, if they're available.
> This
> > may turn into a crazy project, but I have the idea of taking one of
them
> and
> > replacing the guts with a standard PC motherboard/hd/ram/power supply
> > combination to run Linux on it. The TeleVideo 803/1603 has a unique
> case,
> > which would make for a great looking computer even today. The trick
> would
> > be maitaining compatibility with the keyboard cable and monitor; not to
> > mention fitting the components inside reliably. But what a coup it
would
> > be!
> >
> > Thanks. I'm in the Seattle area, fwiw.
> >
> >
> > Doug Auerbach
> >
>
>I was just wondering --- Could I have an APC IV? Three of the teachers
that
>have seen it have either called it an APC IV, or "The pain in the neck".
>Some of the descriptions that I've seen don't sound like the computer I
>have. Although it does say "APCIII" on the front panel.
>--
The APC III's and IV's look much the same. If anything the III looks more
modern as it is a smaller neater case, but it dates from 1984. The IV's are
286's and are fully IBM compatible with a Phoenix based bios. They have a
normal ISA bus while the III's have different shaped cards that are
installed in horizontal slots.
>>The APC III was not IBM compatible at all in it's original form. It had a
>>special version of DOS and the floppy drives are _Quad_ density not double
>>density.
>>
>Not at all??? It's got an AMD 8086 and a Intel 8087 directly on the
>motherboard.
>
>About the only thing that I can see that is non-standard is the bus
>archetecture. It's got a standard (looking) floppy, and an MFM (or RLL)
HD.
>
Having familiar looking hardware doesn't mean it is IBM compatible. It was
the bios that counted in those days. NEC did it's own thing here rather than
go to Phoenix.
Doug wrote:
<<
OK, I think I have a candidate for the first computer with blinkenlights.
This is from David Richie's The Computer Pioneers:
<<
As he sat in his kitchen, one November evening in 1937, [...] Stibitz went
into his workshop, took some relays salvaged from Bell Labs' junk pile,
[...] and devised a few circuits. Input consisted of strips of metal cut
from coffee cans. Output was a pair of flashlights bulbs that lit up or
stayed dark to indicate the results of binary calculations.
>>
Stibitz is generally credited with creating one of the first digital
computers. I think this date is earlier than both Zuse's Z1 (1938) and
Atanasoff's ABC (1939), so I guess blinkenlights were there from the
start!
>>
Now that is really thorough digging! Good find, thank you.
John G. Zabolitzky
To my knowledge the blinking lights go back to the UNIVAC 1, 1951.
They became famous - and therefore made their way to almost any computer
of that time - due to the successful 1952 US presidential election prediction
on TV. It is rumoured that the TV crew wired up a few more lights than
actually part of the computer.
John G. Zabolitzky
Yeah and it's "n'est ce pas" and "mais oui"
Oh well I can't help it I'm from France
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph S. Barrera III <joe(a)barrera.org>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: Ooops, Typo!
>> Tre cool, ne c'est pas? Ooo, mai oui!.
>
>You misspelled "Tres." ;-)
>
How much would you want for the parts? I'm trying to get this computer
running for a school project (the computer belongs to my school)
I was just wondering --- Could I have an APC IV? Three of the teachers that
have seen it have either called it an APC IV, or "The pain in the neck".
Some of the descriptions that I've seen don't sound like the computer I
have. Although it does say "APCIII" on the front panel.
--
-Jason Willgruber
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#: 1730318
<http://members.tripod.com/general_1>
-----Original Message-----
From: Les Berry <lfb107(a)psu.edu>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, February 26, 1999 10:25 AM
Subject: NEC APCIII
>
>I had similar problems with my pair of APCIII's. Frustrated, and in
>need of extra space, I threw them out, but I managed to save most
>anything that wasn't permanently attached to the case. I've got a
>few of the memory boards that slid in the back as well as a few
>parallel cards I think. I also (think) that I have a few of those NLE
>cards that plugged in the front. The two that i had also had another
>smaller (memory?) card that plugged in to a special slot at the front,
>an external HD connector (and a HD.... SCSI?), and a special keyboard
>with special buttons for graphic functions. Not surprising since they
>booted up with the DOS 2.11 version of AutoCAD. I couldn't, for
>the life of me, get them to run anything else! If anyone needs any parts
>let me know, I haven't got much use for them.
>
>Les
>lfb107(a)psu.edu
>
>
>The APC III was not IBM compatible at all in it's original form. It had a
>special version of DOS and the floppy drives are _Quad_ density not double
>density.
>
Not at all??? It's got an AMD 8086 and a Intel 8087 directly on the
motherboard.
About the only thing that I can see that is non-standard is the bus
archetecture. It's got a standard (looking) floppy, and an MFM (or RLL) HD.
>When NEC later saw the error of their ways, they offered a special card
>called an SLE that when installed allowed the machine to run standard IBM
>compatible software. This came with another version of DOS, which I think
>was also specific to this machine for booting purposes. SLE stood for
>Software Library Extender.
>
>I think the special card had it's own 8088 cpu.
>
>APC III's were heavily marketed here in Australia and were once very easy
to
>find. I have a number in deep storage (ie too deep to get out and look at
>easily). NEC also provided financial incentives for software developers
here
>and I have come across several cases of startup companies built on these
>incentives, all now gone though.
>
>I think NEC learned about compatibility the hard way.
>
>To get your machine going the first question is whether you have the SLE
>card or not.
>The second question is whether you have the correct monitor. I don't think
>normal IBM style monitors will work.
>
It's got either an CGA or EGA (made by NEC) on it. It works on an old Tandy
1000, so, I'd say the monitor is standard.
--
-Jason Willgruber
(roblwill(a)usaor.net)
ICQ#: 1730318
<http://members.tripod.com/general_1>
