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Basic Source for Super Star Trek

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

24 years, 7 months

V4.7 and VMS vs MicroVMS

by oliv555＠arrl.net

I was going thru some drives and tapes yesterday while trying to resurrect my MVII and came across a v4.7 distribution I din't know I had. This leads me to ask, one, if the person looking for same a few days back (Enrico?) found one. And a second, stupid question. Stupid because most of you probably know the answer. But as a PDP11 type relatively new to the VAXworld I'd like to know what is the difference/Is there a difference between VMS, MicroVMS? The tape I found is labeled MicroVMS v4.7 bin. Both of my Qbus machines are down right now so I cant verify this tape. If there is still the need for this maybe someone in the Houston area on list can check it out. Nick

24 years, 7 months

Basic Source for Super Star Trek

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>> Does anyone have a copy of the Basic source for Super StarTrek? It's >>included in the book "BASIC Computer Games" by David H. Ahl (Creative >>Computing). >> >> I probably won't win the eOverPay auction, so I'm trying to search out a >>copy of the game, since AFAIK, it's the only program of interest in book >>anyway. >Sure, I've got it, it's on one of the four 8" floppies that Creative >Computing was selling in 1977 or so with all the "BASIC Computer >Games" on them. > >If you want to see the original floppies and documentation cards, check >out > > http://www.trailing-edge.com/www/flop1.jpg > http://www.trailing-edge.com/www/flop2.jpg > http://www.trailing-edge.com/www/sheet1a.gif > http://www.trailing-edge.com/www/sheet2a.gif And here's the actual game in progress - running on my S-100 crate >from the above 8" floppies: CompuPro Systems 56K CP/M 2.2H A>BASIC52 STARTREK BASIC-80 Rev. 5.2 [CP/M Version] Copyright 1977, 78, 79, 80 (C) by Microsoft Created: 14-Jul-80 24134 Bytes free YOUR ORDERS ARE AS FOLLOWS: -------------------------- DESTROY THE 19 KLINGON WARSHIPS WHICH HAVE INVADED THE GALAXY BEFORE THEY CAN ATTACK FEDERATION HEADQUARTERS ON STARDATE 2428. THIS GIVES YOU 28 DAYS. THERE ARE 3 STARBASES IN THE GALAXY FOR RESUPPLYING YOUR SHIP. ARE YOU READY TO ACCEPT COMMAND ('N' FOR INSTRUCTIONS)?Y YOUR MISSION BEGINS WITH YOUR STARSHIP LOCATED IN THE GALACTIC QUADRANT, 'CAPELLA I'. COMMAND? LRS LONG RANGE SCAN FOR QUADRANT 2, 6 ------------------- | 008 | 105 | 007 | ------------------- | 003 | 003 | 101 | ------------------- | 008 | 003 | 007 | ------------------- COMMAND? SRS +--1---2---3---4---5---6---7---8-+ 1 | | 1 STARDATE 2400.0 2 | * | 2 CONDITION GREEN 3 | | 3 QUADRANT 2, 6 4 | | 4 SECTOR 7, 7 5 | | 5 PHOTON TORPEDOES 10 6 | * * | 6 TOTAL ENERGY 2950 7 | <E> | 7 SHIELDS 1000 8 | | 8 KLINGONS REMAINING 19 +--1---2---3---4---5---6---7---8-+ COMMAND? NAV COURSE (0-9)? 1 WARP FACTOR (0-8)? .2 NOW ENTERING DENEB III QUADRANT . . . COMBAT AREA CONDITION RED +--1---2---3---4---5---6---7---8-+ 1 | | 1 STARDATE 2401.0 2 | | 2 CONDITION *RED* 3 | +K+ | 3 QUADRANT 2, 7 4 | | 4 SECTOR 7, 1 5 | | 5 PHOTON TORPEDOES 10 6 | | 6 TOTAL ENERGY 2938 7 | <E> | 7 SHIELDS 1000 8 | * | 8 KLINGONS REMAINING 19 +--1---2---3---4---5---6---7---8-+ COMMAND? PHA PHASERS LOCKED ON TARGET; ENERGY AVAILABLE = 1938 UNITS NUMBER OF UNITS TO FIRE? 350 121 UNIT HIT ON KLINGON AT SECTOR 3, 7. (SENSORS SHOW 115.412 UNITS REMAINING) 42 UNIT HIT ON ENTERPRISE FROM SECTOR 3, 7. <SHIELDS DOWN TO 958 UNITS> COMMAND? PHA PHASERS LOCKED ON TARGET; ENERGY AVAILABLE = 1588 UNITS NUMBER OF UNITS TO FIRE? 350 117 UNIT HIT ON KLINGON AT SECTOR 3, 7. *** KLINGON DESTROYED *** COMMAND? -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

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compag

by allanph＠email.msn.com

I have a compaq 386/20 . model-2670 portable. I need info and drivers for plasma screen. THANKS-allanph(a)msn.com

24 years, 7 months

This guy needs a *LART*... :-/

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, December 04, 1999 11:27 PM Subject: This guy needs a *LART*... :-/ >Check out this ebay auction under Computers:Mainframe... > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=210172793 > >What an absolute, unadulterated jerk. > >Can you list negative feedback for a person even if you had no dealings >with them??? > Only if you are the high bidder on one of his items.. Otherwise it has to be neutral. john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com >Growling mad, >Roger "Merch" Merchberger >-- >Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers >Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. > >If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead >disarmament should *not* be your first career choice. >

24 years, 7 months

Adopt a scrapper and paper tape punches.

by dylanb＠sympatico.ca

-----Original Message----- From: Innfogra(a)aol.com <Innfogra(a)aol.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, December 05, 1999 3:28 AM Subject: Adopt a scrapper and paper tape punches. >In a message dated 12/4/1999 10:05:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, >mrdos(a)swbell.net writes: > >> would take it seriously. It's really not a bad idea, and I'm sure our fellow >> collectors would go for it. We really need an organization to preserve old >> computers. I go to scrap yards and see classic machines ripped apart all >the >> ti >While I like the idea of an organization to preserve old computers I suspect >there are already several. This list actually works well for rescues. > >The biggest problem is that the scrappers are rarely computer literate. If >they are they are already selling on ebay and the Internet. Most scrappers Some might have kept core memory and stuff like that but for the most part these guys don't have time to play on EBay.. The volume is so high they can't afford the time. Gold content (and other metals) are high so all they have to do is keep stripping the stuff down. >are metals oriented. Even if they are recyclers the bottom line is the value >of the metals. Volume is the problem, you must scrap or get buried in it. > >The best answer is to make friends with a scrapper. Anyone who will pay twice >the scrap value consistently will be a welcome customer. In the long run you Scrap value to a gold reclaimer is *alot*more than you think. The place I visited routinely offers $8-10K for IBM 30 series. (water cooled CPU)... As a lot of the older minis have less gold I can get them for a lor less. If an IBM 360 comes up be prepared that there is a lot of gold in that machine and it will cost a lot of money. Don't forget, they won't accept "scrap price", they will want "raw materials" price... and for some large super computers/large mainframes that can be quite expensive. >may get systems set aside for you to look at. Ask for particular brands or >items but don't become a pest. They need to know what you are looking for. They don't care. The don't understand the stuff. They just know IBM1130 = pay $4K as scrap, get $7 in raw materials back. >Check on a regular basis. Don't ask them to call you unless you are willing >to offer significant money. They are busy and you are not a major part of >their business. > They won't call. (maybe smaller ones might). The guy I just visited was soo busy I had to wait in line to ask simple questions. >I bet there are enough people on the list to cover the major scrappers in >each city. If each person adopted one we could flood this list with >equipment. And probably dump enough on ebay to depress prices. john PDP-8 and other rare mini computers http://www.pdp8.com > >I am adopting one here in Portland. And that brings up paper tape punches. He >has a REMEX paper tape punch and reader set. It is shrink wrapped on a pallet >and I have not had a chance to look at it yet. He wants $250 but may be open >to offers. He sells a lot of stuff to Western Numerical Controls. They are >old and extremely heavy, I would say late 70s but that is a guess. If anyone >is interested please email me off the list. > >Paxton > >

24 years, 7 months

Rainbow

by Balloon711＠aol.com

I have a dec rainbow system and a similar looking word processor machine and some software taking up space. Keyboard, monitor, LA 50 printer, etc. Located in New Hampshire. Please reply privately if interested. I will be off the mail list. balloon711(a)aol.com

24 years, 7 months

FS: Russian Computers

by adavie＠mad.scientist.com

Hi everyone As some on the list may know, I'm mad-keen on Russian calculating devices. I've pretty much concentrated on calculators (please see my award-winning site listed in my .sig), but my many agents occasionally offer computers, too. Typically I don't buy (computers are not my main line of interest) - but in this case I'm scouting around for a buyer. The reason: read on. One of the rarest Russian calculators is the MK-47. It's a magnetic card reading machine - so the rumour goes. None have been seen in captivity. Some 6 months back, one of my agents (from whom I've previously purchased several rare machines) told me that he had an MK-47 for me. I was quite excited. More correctly, his grandmother had found one, and she was to bring it to him the next day. So, I waited for news. And waited. And waited. About a month later, a short email from my agent (Alex) tells me that he has been in hospital, and will be there for the next few weeks. And furthermore, he hasn't seen the calculator yet because his grandmother is ill and in (another) hospital, too. Of course I told him to forget about the machine for now, and get well ASAP. Around this time my personal life was thrown into turmoil when my (5yo) daughter became gravely ill and spent several days in hospital (complications of chicken pox, and drinking skin lotion, for the curious). So, I wasn't particularly thinking about calculators, either. Anyway, a few weeks pass, and I get news from Alex's father (Alex is still in hospital) that Alex's grandmother's house has burned to the ground. You can guess where the calculator was. Still, this is about a house, and that's tragic. A calculator is just an old machine. At this stage, I was beginning to think the machine was jinxed anyway. Alex contacted me later (through his father) to tell me that the fire which burned down his grandmoter's house STARTED in the house of the man who gave her the MK-47 calculator in the first place. Spooky. A few days later, Alex's MOTHER contacted me with the sad news that Alex's grandmother had died, and that Alex's father had had a heart attack when he found out. So, Alex is in hospital, Alex's father is in hospital, and Alex's grandmother has died. Here we are, a few weeks after that. Today Alex told me he is out of hospital. His father is still in hospital, but in less-serious condition. And Alex is on the prowl again (for calculators and computers). As you might understand (if you've stuck with me so far), things have been incredibly stressful for his family - and more to the point - incredibly expensive. Alex needs some extra funds to pay for the medical costs, and here's where I come in. As I said, I've done trades with Alex before, and found him not only reliable, friendly and honest - but incredibly good at finding rare and unusual things. Right now, however, Alex has a few vintage soviet home computers for sale. I've told him about you guys [collectors], and he's asked me to contact you on his behalf. Could anybody interested in exploring the purchase of soviet computers from Alex please contact me by direct email (adavie(a)mad.scientist.com). I have some pictures and details of machines that he has - and will be happy to act as an intermediary - or put you directly in contact with Alex. I have done many, many transactions to Russia, so can offer advice and suggestions regarding transfer of money and computers. OK, that's about all I have to write. This is probably the best opportunity many on the list will get to obtain some interesting machines. And remember, Alex is a champion at finding unusual/rare stuff. Cheers A -- Andrew Davie adavie(a)mad.scientist.com // adavie(a)comcen.com.au // adavie(a)bde.com.au Museum of Soviet Calculators http://members.xoom.com/adavie/soviet.html Slide Rule Trading Post http://www.comcen.com.au/~adavie/slide/

24 years, 7 months

Everyone here should read this.. I thought I'd seen everything.

by mrdos＠swbell.net

I actually thought of that once, but thought I was about the only one who would take it seriously. It's really not a bad idea, and I'm sure our fellow collectors would go for it. We really need an organization to preserve old computers. I go to scrap yards and see classic machines ripped apart all the time. Computers are a big part of everyone's lives now, and just like anything else that changes our society that much, (the printing press, for example) they need to protected. I hoped someone else would have the same idea I did. I really think it is a great idea, worth considering, at the least. >Well, maybe we should start a National Computer Preservation Historical >Society, and then once we have a couple hundred members (should take all >of 1 hour...) then we start sending letters to our representatives asking >them to write a bill similar to whatever empowers the people that preserve >historical buildings and landmarks. > >Of course, real influence comes with a historical society that has been in >existance for many years, but of course you have to start sometime ;) > >-Lawrence LeMay

24 years, 7 months

This guy needs a *LART*... :-/

by edick＠idcomm.com

Why get all upset over such an inane offering. The guy is obviously an idiot and so is anyone who'd pay for such a piece of junk. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Roger Merchberger <zmerch(a)30below.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Saturday, December 04, 1999 9:31 PM Subject: This guy needs a *LART*... :-/ >Check out this ebay auction under Computers:Mainframe... > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=210172793 > >What an absolute, unadulterated jerk. > >Can you list negative feedback for a person even if you had no dealings >with them??? > >Growling mad, >Roger "Merch" Merchberger >-- >Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers >Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig. > >If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead >disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.

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