test-drb October 1999

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216 participants
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by edick＠idcomm.com

The eBay folks are making money, and that's what they set out to do. It's to their advantage to get the highest bids because they get a cut. Sealed bids don't necessarily get that, because, though they tap into the insecurity a bidder may have about what an item will bring, they don't tap into the last-minute feeding frenzy which often drives prices up. If you set up your bid so you enter your highest bid right away, but let the system make minimum incremental bids automatically each time someone overbids you, that's essentially the best of both worlds for the buyer. He can pay less than, but not more than, what is essentially a sealed bid. He is allowed to continue bidding after his maximum is reached, but the system won't do it automatically. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Hans Franke <Hans.Franke(a)mch20.sbs.de> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, October 18, 1999 6:41 AM Subject: Re: My Biggest eBay gripe.. >> On Sun, 17 Oct 1999, Marvin wrote: >> > John Lawson wrote: >> > > My main concern with the eBay auction algorithm is that it is >> > > time-limited, rather than bid-limited.... the aution closes after a >> > > fixed span **no matter what the bidding activity is**. >> > > 'Normal' auctions close when **no further bids are recieved** in an >> > > agreed-upon span. > >> > You are forgetting the sealed bid auctions. IMNSHO, it would be far better >> > for ebay to add the capability to make sealed bids (and yes, I have >> > suggested that to them.) That would eliminate this inching up just to see >> > where the high bid is prior to closing. > >> > Ebays suggestion that you just bid your maximum and wait to see what happens >> > is a good thought. But making that bid early just invites "well, I'll just >> > bid one more dollar to see what happens" and thus driving the price up. Most >> > ebay buyers have educated themselves to know that early bids do not bring >> > the best prices. Hence the popularity of sniping. A combination of sealed >> > and open bidding would most likely work out better than the current mess. > >> Yes, which is really what "sniping" is; a user-created form of sealed >> bidding. > >Come on - that would be if you where just allowed to enter one bid. > >> People like me are the reason that bidding the max early is no good. I am >> a fool with my money, and I don't know when to say "when." I view a dollar >> as something that won't even buy me a cup of coffee most places, so it's >> never a big deal to say, "Hmmm...just one more dollar..." to try to top a >> bid. That's the biggest reason I bid in the final few seconds, to protect >> me from myself. By the time I can reload the page after I bid, the auction >> is over and I either won for that amount or lost... > >In fact, the eBay scheme comes from an overidealistic view of >their users - if all are well defined ethical beeings beting >... ah bidding acording to the idealistic rules, everything >would work fine - just, people are not like that. And by >insisting that their rules are the one and only way, the eBay >guys are just as stubborn as all idiologic kind. > >So my solution would be in offering different auction styles, >giving the seller the freedom of choice what kind of auction >he likes: > >- classic eBay with fixed end date >- seald bid, you are allowed _one_ bid, the amount is secret > until the final time _and_ the named amount is the amount > to go for (!) >- time driven - every last bid extends the closing time by > 60 Minutes (to allow slow line / bussy people to place a > new bid) > >Well, the sealed bid could be modified to a seled bid light, >where the mechanics of the classic eBay scheme is used, which >results into paying only the next step after the second highest >bid (unlikely that a seller will select that if he has a choice >between both). > >Also the time driven may be enhanced with a final date (unknown >to public) to ensure that there is no endless auction. > >Anyway, I don't think we will see such a variety on eBay - Giving >fredom of coice isn't everybodys thing... > >Gruss >H. > > >BTW: this issue even arosed in the new 'eBay' Magazine... No joke, > there is a news stand magazine about eBay (and similar stuff), > licencing their name! > > >-- >Stimm gegen SPAM: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/de/ >Vote against SPAM: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/en/ >Votez contre le SPAM: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/fr/ >Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut >HRK

25 years, 2 months

TRS-80 2000 available in Dallas/Ft. Worth

by bwit＠pobox.com

If you are interested please contact Noma. Thanks, Bob ---------------------------------------- From: Rednlh(a)aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:27:38 EDT Subject: TRS80 2000 To: bwit(a)pobox.com X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 41 I have a monitor, keyboard and cpu for a TRS80 2000. Used to have some floppies but cannot locate them. Know anyone in the DFW area that might be interested? Noma L Kelton Henderson 1949 Spring Dr Roanoke, Tx 76262 rednlh(a)aol.com 817-431-2172

25 years, 2 months

Programming the Z-80

by edick＠idcomm.com

The various CP/M resources out there not only have Z-80 code and development resources, but 8080 and 8085 code as well. Be careful you don't try to run some 8085 code. Most of the code is 8080, since that's the common denominator, but many of these sites even have 8085-family support and the housekeeping isn't always perfect. The Rodnay Zaks book is one of a few Z-80 books written just for Z-80 coding. It was a disappointment to me, but it is not half bad. Check your local library. They often have these things sitting on the shelves in considerable (unused) quantity. Dick -----Original Message----- From: CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com <CLASSICCMP(a)trailing-edge.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, October 18, 1999 8:59 AM Subject: RE: Programming the Z-80 >>Anyone have pointers to good Z-80 Assembly language programming >>resources on the net? > >Any of the CP/M archives will be filled with more Z-80 and 8080 >assembly source than you'll know what to do with. For starters, >try > > http://oak.oakland.edu/pub/cpm/ > >>What books would you recommend for advanced programming topics? > >If I remember correctly, Rodney Zaks had a book titled "Programming >the Z-80" in his lineup. > >-- > Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com > Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ > 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 > Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

25 years, 2 months

Programming the Z-80

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Anyone have pointers to good Z-80 Assembly language programming >resources on the net? Any of the CP/M archives will be filled with more Z-80 and 8080 assembly source than you'll know what to do with. For starters, try http://oak.oakland.edu/pub/cpm/ >What books would you recommend for advanced programming topics? If I remember correctly, Rodney Zaks had a book titled "Programming the Z-80" in his lineup. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

25 years, 2 months

I EBay snipered these PDP extenders last night. Did anyone else see them?

by ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com

--- daniel <daniel(a)internet.look.ca> wrote: > I got two quad (looks to be originals for the 11) PDP extender cards for > $21.50! I had to get up at 1 in the morning to nail it. If the spacing is > the same on either side of the middle "slot" then I guess I just have to cut > them down the middle for the PDP 8? Sorry "flipchip". You don't need to cut them... just pull four cards and extend all of them together. At these speeds, the extra length isn't going to kill you. Quad is quad. They can also be used for OMNIBUS cards as well as Qbus/UNIBUS cards. -ethan ===== Infinet has been sold. The domain is going away in February. Please send all replies to erd(a)iname.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

25 years, 2 months

How to reach more classic computer users?

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

While trying to figure out how to reach more PDP-11 users with my freeware archives (immodest plug: See http://www.trailing-edge.com/www/freeware.html for information about the PDP-11 freeware CD's and FTP sites with PDP-11 freeware) it occured to me that I've only been using two methods of announcing availability: this (Classiccmp) mailing list and Usenet newsgroups specific to PDP-11's. It's obvious that these methods of reaching classic computer users hit only a small fraction of active PDP-11 users. There's what, maybe a couple of dozen frequent participants in this mailing list, and the number of regular posters on vmsnet.pdp-11 can be counted on two hands. Is there a better way of reaching a wider audience of classic computer users? In particular, folks who don't read technical Usenet discussion groups and who haven't happened upon this specific mailing list. Or, even in this "connected" world that we live in, is there no better way of reaching what I know is a very broad base of classic computer users out there? One idea that has crossed my mind, but I don't know if there's any way to pull it off: There are obviously lots of "collectors" on E-bay who have little connection with our reality of using classic computers. Is there no way at all of reaching these folks? I don't mean preaching to them, but at least tying them together into a broader knowledge base than the wheeling and dealing on E-bay. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology WWW: http://www.trailing-edge.com/ 7328 Bradley Blvd Voice: 301-767-5917 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817 Fax: 301-767-5927

25 years, 2 months

WANTED: IBM parts.

by Henk.J.Stegeman＠is.shell.com

Hi, I still believe in miracles... I am looking for a IBM MST-1 card with P/N 5558222. This card was used by IBM Customer Engineer in an IBM System/3 model 15 (IBM 5415). This card was only available at IBM CE Branch Offices and was needed to diagnose any problems in the so-called 'DA 3277/3284 Attachment' and 'LDA (Local Display Attachment)' in the S/3 model 15. Together with the card came a CE Switchbox P/N 5558132 and overlay P/N 5558224. Anyone who might be able to perform a small miracle... ? Thanks. Henk Stegeman IBM Collector.

25 years, 2 months

Programming the Z-80

by steverob＠hotoffice.com

Anyone have pointers to good Z-80 Assembly language programming resources on the net? What books would you recommend for advanced programming topics? TIA, Steve Robertson - <steverob(a)hotoffice.com>

25 years, 2 months

TImex SInclair 1000 Manual

by edick＠idcomm.com

I'm not surprised. The Sinclairs were very plentiful back in the days when they were of interest. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Glenatacme(a)aol.com <Glenatacme(a)aol.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Sunday, October 17, 1999 9:46 PM Subject: Re: TImex SInclair 1000 Manual >In a message dated 10/17/1999 12:06:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >edick(a)idcomm.com writes: > >> While digging through a box of "stuff" I have, I found a Timex Sinclair >1000 >> manual in used but decent condition and apparently quite complete. Is this >> something best placed on eBay, or do you some of you guys have use for it? > >Actually this is a very common and abundant item. A "perfect" one will >typically fetch less than US$10 on Ebay. > >Glen Goodwin >0/0

25 years, 2 months

EBaying; howling after an auction

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I've seen this, too. On one particular item that I wanted, >in viewing the "View Sellers Other Auctions", I noticed that >he had a number of them to sell. Spread out over a few days. >I would bid on one and someone would outbid me. I'd bid on >another and someone would outbid me. I finally just said forget >it, this is getting ridiculous. :-) Certainly, E-bay does provides tools for many "commodity" type items to compare one sale with past ones, so you know what a reasonable bid is. There are evidently folks who don't know how to use this, and it doesn't really bother me, I just feel kind-of-sorry for them. Other E-bay phenomena: 1. Items (like HP C3010 2 Gbyte SCSI drives) that have been flooding the surplus market. These are available from liquidators like www.hitechcafe.com and www.compgeeks.com for $30-$35-$40, but I've seen them bid up into the $50-$60 range on E-bay very regularly. Same thing often happens for surplus PC-clone mainboards. 2. What really amazes me is when a seller makes a reserve price auction, very plainly states the reserve price in the item description, and there are literally dozens of bids made *below* the stated reserve price. What the ???. Either the bidders think this is entirely a "bidding game", where the objective is to outbid the other guy with no real intention to buy, or they don't read the description at all, or they haven't a clue period. Tim.

25 years, 2 months

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test-drb October 1999